UK cops 'to only observe'

[DennisF]

To take a different view on all of this......perhaps this may be the catalyst for the general to purge the RTP?

Many times in the last couple of months a lot of things have been achieved by the army where before the RTP appeared to be unable to achieve anything on their own.

One can live in hope.

Not all BiB are bad eggs. They tried to stop some parties on the islands because of drugs and safety fears and were overuled

.. by the ARMY!!

Its not all about the BiB here.

[UncleE]

Majority of comments are from the "Peanut Gallery" again.

Guessing half or more of the "Peanut Gallery" are misplaced Brits who can't find a home anywhere anyway. People who can't seem to make a living at home and move to Thailand feeling they're a million percent smarter cause at home nobody would listen to them anyway (nor pay them enough money to be worth staying there, hence the move to Thailand).

You guys should chill and wait for the verdict from the British side. Someday, if this website gets hacked and you guys real ID's are figured out, you'll be the ONLY ones who have problems with visas etc. except for the "real" bad guys.

You might note us Yanks are a lot more careful about posting than you cause it's a whole lot more fun to watch than "expose yourselves".

Cheers Maties

[phuketandsee]

Agree 100%. This whole case evolves around the DNA evidence, as far as I can see the other evidence is mostly circumstantial. Although the British police are describes as 'observers' that does not mean they don't have the right to report the validity or non-validity of evidence presented. I would hope if they are unhappy with the DNA evidence, they will request independent tests be done. If the RTP refuse, then this will surely show the world the 'real' Thailand. DNA is the key and all that really matters in this case.

DNA, DNA, DNA. Everyone is obsessed with DNA. As someone else has repeatedly pointed out on TV, the DNA evidence only links a suspect(s) to rape and not to murder. There has been no explanation of motive (and don't give that horses--t about "arousal")and no conclusive links to a murder weapon(s).

Edited October 19, 2014 by phuketandsee

[blowin]

Suthep the ex deputy prime minister and inspirational leader of the Yellow shirts and BIG boss in Surat Thani is now on KT as a monk. He was pictured with one of the main suspects on Thursday. So I fear this is not going to change when you see the big boss showing his patronage to the suspects and his business and land dealings with these people on KT. I am sorry Thailand is rotten to the core and the sound of ' Money No.1' is ringing over this despicable double murder. Not optimistic at all now sorry.

[OPG]

From a recent conversation with my wife about the KT murders, she filled me in on the Thai side of thinking up to this point and in summary, about 90% of all Thai's are sick about this and also believe strongly that these 2 migrants are not the real murderer's. She read somewhere that between the police in KT, Ko Pha Ngan and Koh Samui, the police make somewhere around 1 Million THB per month on payoff's from Mafia on all 3 islands. She also went on to state that a friend (not of my wife) of a police on KT I believe, had spoken anonymously in fear of his life, that this was a complete cover-up and that it had something to do with the people from the AC Bar...that there was an argument at the bar that evening and that David jumped in to help her and when they left, they were followed and this tragedy was not done by 2 or 3 individuals, but 4 or 5. His fingers point in the direction of the AC Bar but the 1 Million THB monthly payoffs are too substantial to lose and the cover-up occurred.

There are so many stories floating around about what kind of assistance will the UK be allowed to provide on this case that nobody can really provide accurate comments on this case, but if the UK is allowed to do an independent investigation into this case and the scapegoat theory pans out, the PM will more than likely have no choice but to can the entire police staff to save face with the world and man oh man the problems that Thailand will face in the near to mid term are going to be detrimental unless a plan can be constructed with the help of the USA or UK to train and assist Thailand and its new police force.

Let's see what happens, but if the scapegoat theory is proven...hold on for the biggest catastrophe Thailand has ever had to endure because it's going to get really bad.

[phuketandsee]

"Suthep the ex deputy prime minister and inspirational leader of the Yellow shirts and BIG boss in Surat Thani is now on KT as a monk. He was pictured with one of the main suspects on Thursday. So I fear this is not going to change when you see the big boss showing his patronage to the suspects and his business and land dealings with these people on KT. I am sorry Thailand is rotten to the core and the sound of ' Money No.1' is ringing over this despicable double murder. Not optimistic at all now sorry".

Wow, you sure about this? Unbelievable. Or not I guess

Edited October 19, 2014 by phuketandsee

[KOZMO]

I can't decide if this a face saving article, or a u turning article............. Time will tell I guess.

Let's face it!!! Cameron is as useless as Obama!!!

[phuketandsee]

From a recent conversation with my wife about the KT murders, she filled me in on the Thai side of thinking up to this point and in summary, about 90% of all Thai's are sick about this and also believe strongly that these 2 migrants are not the real murderer's. She read somewhere that between the police in KT, Ko Pha Ngan and Koh Samui, the police make somewhere around 1 Million THB per month on payoff's from Mafia on all 3 islands. She also went on to state that a friend (not of my wife) of a police on KT I believe, had spoken anonymously in fear of his life, that this was a complete cover-up and that it had something to do with the people from the AC Bar...that there was an argument at the bar that evening and that David jumped in to help her and when they left, they were followed and this tragedy was not done by 2 or 3 individuals, but 4 or 5. His fingers point in the direction of the AC Bar but the 1 Million THB monthly payoffs are too substantial to lose and the cover-up occurred.

There are so many stories floating around about what kind of assistance will the UK be allowed to provide on this case that nobody can really provide accurate comments on this case, but if the UK is allowed to do an independent investigation into this case and the scapegoat theory pans out, the PM will more than likely have no choice but to can the entire police staff to save face with the world and man oh man the problems that Thailand will face in the near to mid term are going to be detrimental unless a plan can be constructed with the help of the USA or UK to train and assist Thailand and its new police force.

Let's see what happens, but if the scapegoat theory is proven...hold on for the biggest catastrophe Thailand has ever had to endure because it's going to get really bad.

I agree. So bad they may have to advance pulling the plug to distract attention

[DennisF]

"Suthep the ex deputy prime minister and inspirational leader of the Yellow shirts and BIG boss in Surat Thani is now on KT as a monk. He was pictured with one of the main suspects on Thursday. So I fear this is not going to change when you see the big boss showing his patronage to the suspects and his business and land dealings with these people on KT. I am sorry Thailand is rotten to the core and the sound of ' Money No.1' is ringing over this despicable double murder. Not optimistic at all now sorry".

Wow, you sure about this? Unbelievable. Or not I guess

Not unbelievable at all rreally, KT man is a fervent supporter of the mad monk and usually in the forefront of any demos etc.

Patronage is comfortable!

[laobali]

With the language differences it will be tough for the Britcops to get to the truth....unless of course the Britcops picked to come speak and read Thai!

Have you never heard of translators/interpreters?

Depends which side they are loyal to and who picks them.

What depends on what?

Sorry if it didn't make sense. I meant, assuming they would need the services of interpreters/translators, the outcome could depend on who and how 'independent' these people were; I'd be happier if they were Thai speakers based outside Thailand and unaffected by nationality issues, that's all.

[phuketandsee]

Astrologer Warns of 'Political Chaos' As Comet Zips By Mars

http://www.khaosodenglish.com/detail.php?newsid=1413701823&section=11&typecate=06

[sustento]

The only place that British police have jurisdiction is in Britain. They have no legal authority at all in Thailand.

Imagine the hoo haa if a Thai was murdered in the UK and the Thai government expected expected the UK to surrender all legal authority to a couple of visiting members of the RTP.

Hold on a minute. I don't know how the British system works, but American law and court processes are based on English Law.

If they are the same, the Thais could bypass the UK government and go straight to the defense attorney who's allowed to use any experts he chooses. If they happened to be Thai, he could use them. They don't need to have "jurisdiction," they can be welcomed by the defense.

I was talking about the conduct of the investigation by the police. The RTP have no jurisdiction and no powers in the UK in the same way as UK police have no jurisdiction in Thailand.

Visiting RTP do not have the power of arrest. They do not have the right to question under caution (same as Miranda rights in the USA). They are, by definition, observers. They can suggest a course of action but they have no power to force it to be carried out. Any visiting UK police in Thailand are in the same situation.

When the case goes to trial both defence and prosecution then have the right to call expert witnesses but the case hasn't gone to trial yet.

Edited October 19, 2014 by sustento

[DennisF]

Astrologer Warns of 'Political Chaos' As Comet Zips By Mars

http://www.khaosodenglish.com/detail.php?newsid=1413701823&section=11&typecate=06

OMG another conspiracy theorist!! WE HAVE ENOUGH!!!

Go away mr or mrs astrologer

[Artisi]

From a recent conversation with my wife about the KT murders, she filled me in on the Thai side of thinking up to this point and in summary, about 90% of all Thai's are sick about this and also believe strongly that these 2 migrants are not the real murderer's. She read somewhere that between the police in KT, Ko Pha Ngan and Koh Samui, the police make somewhere around 1 Million THB per month on payoff's from Mafia on all 3 islands. She also went on to state that a friend (not of my wife) of a police on KT I believe, had spoken anonymously in fear of his life, that this was a complete cover-up and that it had something to do with the people from the AC Bar...that there was an argument at the bar that evening and that David jumped in to help her and when they left, they were followed and this tragedy was not done by 2 or 3 individuals, but 4 or 5. His fingers point in the direction of the AC Bar but the 1 Million THB monthly payoffs are too substantial to lose and the cover-up occurred.

There are so many stories floating around about what kind of assistance will the UK be allowed to provide on this case that nobody can really provide accurate comments on this case, but if the UK is allowed to do an independent investigation into this case and the scapegoat theory pans out, the PM will more than likely have no choice but to can the entire police staff to save face with the world and man oh man the problems that Thailand will face in the near to mid term are going to be detrimental unless a plan can be constructed with the help of the USA or UK to train and assist Thailand and its new police force.

Let's see what happens, but if the scapegoat theory is proven...hold on for the biggest catastrophe Thailand has ever had to endure because it's going to get really bad.

True story, summation or what ever, it doesn't really - best solution would be to "persuade" a number of AC Bar members to co-operate along the lines similar to those allegedly applied to the two Burmese rapist murderers suspects currently being held for this crime, they could be asked to answer a few very simple questions such as "who". I am sure there are any number of tough English Bobbies more than capable of just standing-by with absolutely no input what so ever ensuring reasonable answers were "observed".

[Phuketboy]

They can do their own accurate DNA tests without even coming to Thailand, I don't understand why they haven't. Maybe they have and are not saying or maybe they haven't thought about this yet. The UK have the bodies and the DNA inside of Hannah. They could easily get the DNA of the accused from family. This only has to be so much as a hair from a hair brush or a toothbrush they have used. Why is nobody doing this?

[eldragon]

Observe what? Isn't the investigation completed?

[Carrerakiss]

Does anyone here know if the general has a formal education?

Because most foreigners here with personal interaction and experience with so called educated Thais know that is just not the case. The Thai higher learning institutions are mostly substandard and lacking any real world credibility.

That said, it appears our dear general may never have had a formal education outside the sorry excuse for the Thai military. And of he did attend university here on Thailand then it explains a lot.

Has anyone ever seen his cv?

Questions...questions.

Not very relevant. Just becuase one had higher education doesn't make him always right. People with Phd aren't always right and high school dropouts aren't always wrong. Many stupid terrorists that get caught so easily had higher educations in the US and UK. In this kind of case, experience is more important. And don't forget, not anybody withmoney can just become the general. Many people have money. Just like what Byran (from movie Taken) said "I can tell you I don't have money... but what I do have are a very particular set of skills. Skills I have acquired over a very long career. Skills that make me a nightmare for people like you."

I would rather take people with long proven experiences than fresh grads with only papers.

I don't think its a question of education, I just think he's out of touch with the reality of the ordinary persons life and has no knowledge of how farang think.

There's no other way that I can explain some of the things he comes out with.

[JLCrab]

They can do their own accurate DNA tests without even coming to Thailand, I don't understand why they haven't. Maybe they have and are not saying or maybe they haven't thought about this yet. The UK have the bodies and the DNA inside of Hannah. They could easily get the DNA of the accused from family. This only has to be so much as a hair from a hair brush or a toothbrush they have used. Why is nobody doing this?

If the body was embalmed before repatriation, the UK coroner might only have sufficient DNA to verify the victim's identity.

Edited October 19, 2014 by JLCrab

[laobali]

the difference is the british police do there job don't take tea money ,wish i had to pay 200 bt every time i got stopped for speeding in the UK ,

Even Prince Charles was fined for speeding!

No way! That is a totally screwed up system if the future king is given a speeding fine.

Why? No-one should be above the law, what's so special about Prince Charles?

You couldn't even contemplate making such a statement in public in Thailand.

[Si Thea01]

Not much point them coming then. It didn't help in Chiang Mai case... Very sad to see Thailand, its leaders and it's police treat human life like this..

Only one way to get justice and that is for the people of the world to stop coming to Thailand, especially those islands.. That will remain to b seen if the people of the world are committed to justice. If human history is to be repeated the people will return. We simply forget overtime. Sad but true... Thailand knows this all to well.

2 more lives will b taken just to rub our noses in it....

I guess those islands are even more dangerous than we ever thought... If you think about it they have gone to a lot of trouble to clear Nomsods name. Of course it only takes 1 photo to show him on the island, one piece of his phone data, one leaked piece of CCTV footage, anything really to completely destroy his alibi and truly show the world how disgusting this cover up is. If I was Nomsod and the authorities I would b shitttting myself forever that that could happen. Someone somewhere holds Thailand reputation and this kids life in their hands. Just depends on when the info comes out and who wants to prove it.

Money can truly buy you everything and anything. Can it b reversed on his alibi.. Time to dig a bit deeper perhaps and fight fire with fire.

I may have missed something but you appear to have good knowledge of the incident. I thought Nomsad had an alibi provided by the university he was allegedly attending, together with CCTV footage. I might have misread this article earlier in the investigation but if what you are suggesting is true then boy, we have the biggest criminal conspiracy ever to be brought to the forefront of a criminal investigation.

I do not know his or his family's background but according to many on here it is allegedly not good. From reading many media reports, together with posts on TVF, the suggestion of a conspiracy is such that for a cover up to occur, then there has to be many police, possibly soldiers, residents of Koh Tao, university staff and families to be involved.

I honestly do not know who committed these horrendous crimes and do not believe any of those who are suggesting a conspiracy and cover up do either. Looking at the overall situation I can see that the RTP have made a lot of mistakes and there has, what appears to be, a poor interpretation/translation of the wording in statements released by them.

Maybe all of you who have a one sided view should sit back, relax and wait until there is direct evidence of the two suspects being scape goats, of being set up and tortured to make false admissions. Then and only then, if you are right, can you gloat and tell us that you told us so. Until then, whatever you are going on about is brought about through hearsay and circumstantial evidence, speculation and assumptions, not direct factual evidence.

So please, even though we are aware of certain aspects of this inquiry being less than desirable, let the inquiry take its course, and the Court make its decision. No matter what, none of us will ever be privy to all the evidence obtained unless insiders become whistle blowers and then, if that occurs, you can state, with clear and concise facts, that you were right.

Edited October 19, 2014 by Si Thea01

[blowin]

"Suthep the ex deputy prime minister and inspirational leader of the Yellow shirts and BIG boss in Surat Thani is now on KT as a monk. He was pictured with one of the main suspects on Thursday. So I fear this is not going to change when you see the big boss showing his patronage to the suspects and his business and land dealings with these people on KT. I am sorry Thailand is rotten to the core and the sound of ' Money No.1' is ringing over this despicable double murder. Not optimistic at all now sorry".

Wow, you sure about this? Unbelievable. Or not I guess

Sorry I am not great with computers or finding my way around Thai news reports. But I found this in my history this is the guy with the shark tooth ring that is a buddy of the infamous Mon and family and was involved in the soccer tournament on the day of murders. This was taken Friday or Thursday on KT my wife told me.

[Artisi]

Depends which side they are loyal to and who picks them.

What depends on what?

Sorry if it didn't make sense. I meant, assuming they would need the services of interpreters/translators, the outcome could depend on who and how 'independent' these people were; I'd be happier if they were Thai speakers based outside Thailand and unaffected by nationality issues, that's all.

Sounds like you think the British Police are pretty thick and really don't know how to do anything constructive other than say "ello ello, nice day in'it "

[Graham8888]

The only place that British police have jurisdiction is in Britain. They have no legal authority at all in Thailand.

Imagine the hoo haa if a Thai was murdered in the UK and the Thai government expected expected the UK to surrender all legal authority to a couple of visiting members of the RTP.

Fine - would go like this - day 1 Harrodsburg, day 2 expensive whiskey bar, day 3 same as day 2 but also investigate casinos all night (for possible evidence. After one week of this return ( thai 1st class) satisfied with investigation.

[Thai at Heart]

He loves to speak for others.

What are the British going to observe, the BIB said the investigation was complete and airtight.

That's what you get, when you have an un-elected PM and government ,....

I told everyone who was vowing for the Shinawatra-quickfix-punishments by the PM aka former army general,.... be careful what you wish for... I mean, not that I vow for the former ruling party or anything, but the fact is, the quality of so called democratic process and justice isn't gonna get any better with the un-elected PM and the C****-sucking PAD Democrats.

The quick point is, both parties hate each other, and the leaders of each parties just want to destroy each other and exploit their followers, that's what it's all about. It was never about for the good of the people of Thailand, but who RULES the corruption and face of Thailand....

Back to topic, what did you expect? That the Thai authority would welcome the independent investigators with open arms and allow an independent investigation? Too much stubborn, influential face at stake. The elite in Thailand is so old-fashioned stubborn, that they do everything to save that sorry face, even though the majority of the world sees right through it, even a kindergarten kid can see the difference. The whole world knows, but the Thai elite aka mafia is just keeping its principles....

And part of history continues on Koh Tao, they treat the Burmese like a piece of scape goat crap, pay a few millions to the Thai judges in advance and call it quits behind closed doors and play theatre for the International communities....

Reality is, the rich and powerful of Thailand are largely an arrogant and odious lot, who think that when they speak everyone should nod and eat up their words without thought or question.

They are a largely ghastly bunch

[Artisi]

Even Prince Charles was fined for speeding!

No way! That is a totally screwed up system if the future king is given a speeding fine.

Why? No-one should be above the law, what's so special about Prince Charles?

You couldn't even contemplate making such a statement in public in Thailand.

And hereby is the difference between free thinking / expression and .................

[DennisF]

Not much point them coming then. It didn't help in Chiang Mai case... Very sad to see Thailand, its leaders and it's police treat human life like this..

Only one way to get justice and that is for the people of the world to stop coming to Thailand, especially those islands.. That will remain to b seen if the people of the world are committed to justice. If human history is to be repeated the people will return. We simply forget overtime. Sad but true... Thailand knows this all to well.

2 more lives will b taken just to rub our noses in it....

I guess those islands are even more dangerous than we ever thought... If you think about it they have gone to a lot of trouble to clear Nomsods name. Of course it only takes 1 photo to show him on the island, one piece of his phone data, one leaked piece of CCTV footage, anything really to completely destroy his alibi and truly show the world how disgusting this cover up is. If I was Nomsod and the authorities I would b shitttting myself forever that that could happen. Someone somewhere holds Thailand reputation and this kids life in their hands. Just depends on when the info comes out and who wants to prove it.

Money can truly buy you everything and anything. Can it b reversed on his alibi.. Time to dig a bit deeper perhaps and fight fire with fire.

I may have missed something but you appear to have good knowledge of the incident. I thought Nomsad had an alibi provided by the university he was allegedly attending, together with CCTV footage. I might have misread this article earlier in the investigation but if what you are suggesting is true then boy, we have the biggest criminal conspiracy ever to be brought to the forefront of a criminal investigation.

I do not know his or his family's background but according to many on here it is allegedly not good. From reading many media reports, together with posts on TVF, the suggestion of a conspiracy is such that for a cover up to occur, then there has to be many police, possibly soldiers, residents of Koh Tao, university staff and families to be involved.

I honestly do not know who committed these horrendous crimes and do not believe any of those who are suggesting a conspiracy and cover up do either. Looking at the overall situation I can see that the RTP have made a lot of mistakes and there has, what appears to be, a poor interpretation/translation of the wording in statements released by them.

Maybe all of you who have a one sided view should sit back, relax and wait until there is direct evidence of the two suspects being scape goats, of being set up and tortured to make false admissions. Then and only then, if you are right, can you gloat and tell us that you told us so. Until then, whatever you are going on about is brought about through hearsay and circumstantial evidence, speculation and assumptions, not direct factual evidence.

So please, even though we are aware of certain aspects of this inquiry being less than desirable, let the inquiry take its course, and the Court make its decision. No matter what, none of us will ever be privy to all the evidence obtained unless insiders become whistle blowers and then, if that occurs, you can state, with clear and concise facts, that you were right.

The still image that this young man gave as evidence from the university was actually an image from his condo in Rangsit. There would have been time for him to get there.

I agree with many of your points but IF it is a corrupted investigation then we should welcome the vast amount of questions belong asked, even if they originate from speculation, circumstantial evidence or wherever.

To just sit back and let them get on with it ( as you intimate) and hope for a whistle blower sometime in the future, maybe after the 2 suspects are put to death

does not sit well with me or many others.

I too do not know many of the facts but there is enough circumstantial evidence to warrant serious questioning.

If everyone had ignored the case, it would be over by now and 2 possibly innocent men in prison or dead.

[Mooner]

Majority of comments are from the "Peanut Gallery" again.

Guessing half or more of the "Peanut Gallery" are misplaced Brits who can't find a home anywhere anyway. People who can't seem to make a living at home and move to Thailand feeling they're a million percent smarter cause at home nobody would listen to them anyway (nor pay them enough money to be worth staying there, hence the move to Thailand).

You guys should chill and wait for the verdict from the British side. Someday, if this website gets hacked and you guys real ID's are figured out, you'll be the ONLY ones who have problems with visas etc. except for the "real" bad guys.

You might note us Yanks are a lot more careful about posting than you cause it's a whole lot more fun to watch than "expose yourselves".

Cheers Maties

Brilliant. Yeah im sure the Thai authorities have their best hackers on the job now trying to find out who wrote negative comments on a site about them that a small percent of the population read so they deny us visas.

Been watching to many of them Hollywood movies dude!

[DennisF]

Majority of comments are from the "Peanut Gallery" again.

Guessing half or more of the "Peanut Gallery" are misplaced Brits who can't find a home anywhere anyway. People who can't seem to make a living at home and move to Thailand feeling they're a million percent smarter cause at home nobody would listen to them anyway (nor pay them enough money to be worth staying there, hence the move to Thailand).

You guys should chill and wait for the verdict from the British side. Someday, if this website gets hacked and you guys real ID's are figured out, you'll be the ONLY ones who have problems with visas etc. except for the "real" bad guys.

You might note us Yanks are a lot more careful about posting than you cause it's a whole lot more fun to watch than "expose yourselves".

Cheers Maties

Brilliant. Yeah im sure the Thai authorities have their best hackers on the job now trying to find out who wrote negative comments on a site about them that a small percent of the population read so they deny us visas.

Been watching to many of them Hollywood movies dude!

It may well be that as most on here type British English the yanks may well have problems understanding the correct spelling of many of OUR words :-)

[Artisi]

They can do their own accurate DNA tests without even coming to Thailand, I don't understand why they haven't. Maybe they have and are not saying or maybe they haven't thought about this yet. The UK have the bodies and the DNA inside of Hannah. They could easily get the DNA of the accused from family. This only has to be so much as a hair from a hair brush or a toothbrush they have used. Why is nobody doing this?

Who has said that it isn't / hasn't been done? As I have said previously, the Bill don't run around mouthing off all day what has or hasn't been or being done. No need for 1/2 hour contradictory press releases reported from the lowest level BIB through to the top.

[Alwyn]

The only place that British police have jurisdiction is in Britain. They have no legal authority at all in Thailand.

Imagine the hoo haa if a Thai was murdered in the UK and the Thai government expected expected the UK to surrender all legal authority to a couple of visiting members of the RTP.

I'm looking for the part where it said that Britain has any jurisdiction in Thailand? Or anywhere else come to that. The Portuguese police invited Britain to help with the murder of Madeline Mccann as they appreciated the help, it's not unusual. Of course Thailand would never do that because it's a World known fact the RTP and their investigative skills are cutting edge. Or is it because they don't want the World to see how really useless (not to mention bent) they are?