ggt Posted January 27, 2015 Share Posted January 27, 2015 No No No...the US simply does not understand Thai politics...this is all about taking it to the entire family...the message is clear...get out and stay out of Thai government... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExPratt Posted January 27, 2015 Share Posted January 27, 2015 (edited) <script type='text/javascript'>window.mod_pagespeed_start = Number(new Date());</script> "I'll be blunt here: When an elected leader is deposed, impeached by the authorities that implemented the coup, and then targeted with criminal charges while basic democratic processes and institutions are interrupted, the international community is left with the impression that these steps could be politically driven".Good work USThe World is Watching and the more it looks the harder it will be to bend the rules. If they can't bend the rules they cannot win an election Thank You I was looking for a definition of Bull Shit and now I found it !! Once again Thank You Wail and see how much bullshit it is when the ballot boxes open again Edited January 27, 2015 by ExPratt 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post smutcakes Posted January 27, 2015 Popular Post Share Posted January 27, 2015 Unfortunately, the media has billed Danny Russel as someone who should be respected as a diplomatic leader. Unfortunately, that is not the case. He had absolutely no diplomatic experience prior to being selected by Obama to serve as US Asst Secretary of State for East Asian and Pacific Affairs. He previously did some embassy work in Japan and a little in Korea, but nothing in Southeast Asia. By his own admission, "My previous job in the White House was as a staffer, and as a result, I spent all my time behind closed – behind four walls of an office and didn’t get out very much." (From his first speech upon being appointed to this post, 22 July 2013). http://fpc.state.gov/212107.htm Given that, Mr. Russel has elsewhere stated "let me say that there is no greater priority for the U.S. Government than the welfare and the safety of U.S. citizens abroad". http://fpc.state.gov/212107.htm If that is the case, he failed to mention that Thailand has been on the brink of a civil war ever since Thaksin was removed by a coup. Mr. Russel would be better served by examining U.S. intelligence reports about the danger caused to U.S. citizens in events such as the Red Shirt protests of 2010 and the attacks on civilians during the PDRC protests of last year. This guy is a political novice, and a typical under-qualified Obama nominee. He, the U.S., and the U.S. ex-pat community in Thailand would have been better served had he kept his mouth shut, and not commented on events that are far beyond his ability to comprehend. have to agree 100% even meeting with YL and her entourage was an error of the highest proportions I must admit I find it hard to work out why US officials have this habit of displaying utter ignorance Yes you can comment of coups and martial law etc as you must but in reality it happened for the greater good of the Thai people and removed an administration that were far from democratic both in appointment and execution Here we go again.....I am sure the US and a huge amount of other Govts are completely uninformed about Thailand, after all they definitely do not have many high level Thai contacts, normal diplomatic channels, embassies and all other manners of tracking, analyzing and assessing the situation. Their views, which appear to be echoed by the majority of other countries are perhaps a fair reflection on reality, and actually it is you which is misinformed and ignorant of the situation. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slipperx Posted January 27, 2015 Share Posted January 27, 2015 Whilst I agree that the NLA impeachment was the wrong way to go about it, one has to ask when an impeachment is not politically motivated? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post h90 Posted January 27, 2015 Popular Post Share Posted January 27, 2015 Is this the same America that described the military takeover as a coup but the more violent and repressive one in Egypt wasn't ? And the wonderful democracy of Saudi Arabia..... 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gchurch259 Posted January 27, 2015 Share Posted January 27, 2015 Everyone should be very afraid of dealing with China !! Some day they will get a bloody nose over how they want to take over every piece of land in the China and South China Sea, perhaps we should change the name of that part of the Pacific Ocean !! Americans have been in bed with them far too much !! Quit buying made in China and they will listen, maybe !! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post binjalin Posted January 27, 2015 Popular Post Share Posted January 27, 2015 If he was trying to get a balanced view, why didn't he meet with PM Prayut? I don't think Mother Teresa needed to meet with Lucifer to get a 'balanced view' and I don't think the US rep needs to meet with the d****** (censored) to know who and what he is meeting meek, mild and SILENT 'democrat' Abhisit and gutted, vilified and Thailand's last democratic PM Yingluck is fair enough. Although I wonder why Abhisit as he refused to take part in elections but he showed fairness in meeting both. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
klauskunkel Posted January 27, 2015 Share Posted January 27, 2015 In a speech delivered at Chulalongkorn University in Bangkok he said "the perception of fairness is important" Yes, just like 'face', perception is the important thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post CUNJU Posted January 27, 2015 Popular Post Share Posted January 27, 2015 I am an American, and I think this guy should read before he speaks and check points before making an ass of himself!! 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chotthee Posted January 27, 2015 Share Posted January 27, 2015 "A top US diplomat Monday said Yingluck Shinawatra's impeachment could be perceived as "politically driven" after meeting the former premier in Bangkok as the most senior Washington official to visit Thailand since the coup." I think American don't understand Thai people and Thai democracy at all. Who ever he is, he needs to go back to school to read politics. I would recommend Thammasart University, best political school. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
empireboy Posted January 27, 2015 Share Posted January 27, 2015 It appears to me that so many people support the idea that two wrongs do make a right... That a Military Coup is ok as long as it leads to Democracy even if all of the 'Power Players' are all from the same school of thought... It begs the question in my mind, "Has one form of corruption simply been replaced by another?" 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nickymaster Posted January 27, 2015 Share Posted January 27, 2015 (edited) The US doesn't have many friends in Asia. I am not surprised. Asylum for Yingluck in the US it is then. Edited January 27, 2015 by Nickymaster Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phrisco17 Posted January 27, 2015 Share Posted January 27, 2015 Could be perceived as "politically driven" in diplomatic lingo means it sure the hell was politically driven and I couldn't agree more. Agree, most of the western world see's it for what it really is! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nickymaster Posted January 27, 2015 Share Posted January 27, 2015 <script type='text/javascript'>window.mod_pagespeed_start = Number(new Date());</script> "I'll be blunt here: When an elected leader is deposed, impeached by the authorities that implemented the coup, and then targeted with criminal charges while basic democratic processes and institutions are interrupted, the international community is left with the impression that these steps could be politically driven". Good work US The World is Watching and the more it looks the harder it will be to bend the rules. If they can't bend the rules they cannot win an election Thank You I was looking for a definition of Bull Shit and now I found it !! Once again Thank You Wail and see how much bullshit it is when the ballot boxes open againVote buying is no bulshitt. It is serious business. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Nickymaster Posted January 27, 2015 Popular Post Share Posted January 27, 2015 Could be perceived as "politically driven" in diplomatic lingo means it sure the hell was politically driven and I couldn't agree more. Agree, most of the western world see's it for what it really is!Another spokes person for the world. Reminds me of Surapong. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yellowboat Posted January 27, 2015 Share Posted January 27, 2015 He could be an errand boy from an overly image conscience poser of a president, but he touched on due process and the fact that the Junta stacked Parliament found her guilty. If a nation deals with China, it needs to be strong; Korea, Japan and Taiwan. The history of military governments does not bode well for Thailand; corruption, poor planning, stifling of free speech. Thailand should aspire to be more like the strong countries mentioned, but that would disrupt the elitist gravy train. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amto Posted January 27, 2015 Share Posted January 27, 2015 The phrasing "politically motivated" always irks me: they are politicians, of course it is going to be politically motivated, but this should matter a lot less than knowing if the charges can stick. We all wished the law would be fair and applied equally to all, but until then, I see no reason not to apply it in this case. Or are some people still pretending that this rice scheme and its budget were managed appropriately? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
emilymat Posted January 27, 2015 Share Posted January 27, 2015 Could be perceived as "politically driven" in diplomatic lingo means it sure the hell was politically driven and I couldn't agree more. Yep. And when this 'visit' was being trailed a couple of days ago, the impression being given was that a 'senior' US official was jetting out to meet the Thai top brass. It now appears that this US guy is actually on a regional tour - probably routine. I notice he didn't meet the General/PM. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
halloween Posted January 27, 2015 Share Posted January 27, 2015 Quite a lot of us are political novices ( I include myself) yet many of us have come to the same conclusion. Are you sure that you are not allowing your possible mild dislike of Mr Obama and his administration colour your views on Mr Russell's statement? Yes, and quite a few of you are US born and bred. It seems (a perception only) that you education system focuses solely on elections as the basis of democracy without the complications of the other pillars. This is to be expected from a country where judges, police and even dog-catchers are elected positions, and where the need for campaign funds inevitably leads to "rich man's justice". Anybody who looks beyond the fact that she was elected should be able to see the extent of her crimes. But then, in the US, conflict of interest rules are scarcely enforced, so it's no wonder Us citizens ignore its criminal aspects. "Rep. Mike Kelly, a Republican of Pennsylvania, was allowed to sponsor a natural gas bill the same month Exxon negotiated a multimillion-dollar deal with his wife. Across the aisle, former Rep. Dennis Cardozo, Democrat of California, helped pass a bill that involved tax breaks for racehorses and was then bought seven such racehorses when the new tax breaks came into effect." http://www.thewire.com/politics/2012/10/lucky-congress-blatant-conflict-interest-still-perfectly-legal/57698/ That last example sound familiar to you? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Pimay1 Posted January 27, 2015 Popular Post Share Posted January 27, 2015 (edited) Daniel Russel: "When an elected leader is deposed, impeached by the authorities that implemented the coup, and then targeted with criminal charges while basic democratic processes and institutions are interrupted, the international community is left with the impression that these steps could be politically driven," he said. Just to think my taxes are paying this person's salary burns me up. Too bad I wasn't in the audience when he made his little speech. Hypocrisy: the practice of claiming to have moral standards or beliefs to which one's own behavior does not conform; pretense. USA CIA supported coups of elected leaders: Iran, Iraq, Guatemala, Congo, Domininican Republic, South Vietnam, Panama, Brazil, Republic of Ghana, Chile, Argentina, Nicaragua, Honduras, Indonesia, Haiti, Ukraine and the list goes on. It comes as no suprise that the US supported the Thaksin government , after all they have supported thirty five countries led by fascists, drug lords and terrorists. http://www.salon.com/2014/03/08/35_countries_the_u_s_has_backed_international_crime_partner/ Edited January 27, 2015 by Pimay1 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bridge2bridge Posted January 27, 2015 Share Posted January 27, 2015 So he condones CORRUPTION. And what did Yingluck tell him. MORE LIES? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
than Posted January 27, 2015 Share Posted January 27, 2015 US has a long story of politically motivated intervention in sovereign country affair Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
English 1 Posted January 27, 2015 Share Posted January 27, 2015 (edited) Why don't the Americans mind there own business and stop acting like they know everything when they do not? They are the most insular people regarding World knowledge and base everything on their limited ability to see reality. The situation in Thailand re the Coupe etc is unlike other places. On the face of it Democracy is supposed to be the fair way BUT this is Thailand and for many reasons it doesn't work here. The good General / PM has done wonders and I hope he continues holding the fort and that there is NOT an Election. That would simply put the Red Shirts back in power due to the ignorance of the Issan voters. To give the disgraced former PM Yingluck an audience at the US Ambassadors residence was an insult to the Thai people. So, Mr Assistant to South East Asia....go home and keep your nose out! Edited January 27, 2015 by English 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rubl Posted January 27, 2015 Share Posted January 27, 2015 Could be perceived as "politically driven" in diplomatic lingo means it sure the hell was politically driven and I couldn't agree more. Absolutely! It would look much better when a Senate full with elected senators impeaches a former PM. Result is the same though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
binjalin Posted January 27, 2015 Share Posted January 27, 2015 Could be perceived as "politically driven" in diplomatic lingo means it sure the hell was politically driven and I couldn't agree more. Absolutely! It would look much better when a Senate full with elected senators impeaches a former PM. Result is the same though The result would not be the same though as they would mostly be PTP 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tbthailand Posted January 27, 2015 Share Posted January 27, 2015 Please notice how the AFP headline is accurate and reflects the statements which were given and The Nation's headline is not accurate even though the article does contain the same quotation. Good job Fox News The Nation Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post tbthailand Posted January 27, 2015 Popular Post Share Posted January 27, 2015 (edited) Why don't the Americans mind there own business and stop acting like they know everything when they do not? They are the most insular people regarding World knowledge and base everything on their limited ability to see reality. The situation in Thailand re the Coupe etc is unlike other places. On the face of it Democracy is supposed to be the fair way BUT this is Thailand and for many reasons it doesn't work here. The good General / PM has done wonders and I hope he continues holding the fort and that there is NOT an Election. That would simply put the Red Shirts back in power due to the ignorance of the Issan voters. To give the disgraced former PM Yingluck an audience at the US Ambassadors residence was an insult to the Thai people. So, Mr Assistant to South East Asia....go home and keep your nose out! They are the most insular people regarding World knowledge and base everything on their limited ability to see reality. That might be true for your average joe, but it is not at all the case for the diplomatic corps The situation in Thailand re the Coupe etc is unlike other places. Are you promoting the 'Thai exceptionalism idea? I would say that the situation in Thailand is perfectly clear and not at all unique. Additionally, it follows directly from decades of history. Decades and decades of the 'same same but different', as it were.... ah, yes, and I would add that the American government is perfectly aware of Thailand's 'unique history' since we were instrumental in cementing the military into power during the cold war... To claim that the Americans do not understand is a point of view which cannot be logically defended. I hardly would call meeting 2 former Thai prime ministers an insult to the Thai people. If your forum name is accurate, then you come from a country that enjoys elections and has people who are far less informed about their own politicians than many of those 'ignorant Isaan' voters you just mentioned. Just sayin'... Edited January 27, 2015 by tbthailand 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rubl Posted January 27, 2015 Share Posted January 27, 2015 (edited) Could be perceived as "politically driven" in diplomatic lingo means it sure the hell was politically driven and I couldn't agree more. Absolutely! It would look much better when a Senate full with elected senators impeaches a former PM. Result is the same though The result would not be the same though as they would mostly be PTP For once we agree about the same. May be not for the same reason though, as I would remind you of the Thaksin thinks Pheu Thai acts slogan. Erm ... impeachment is done by the Senate, not parliament. Edited January 27, 2015 by rubl Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Baerboxer Posted January 27, 2015 Popular Post Share Posted January 27, 2015 (edited) Is this the same America that described the military takeover as a coup but the more violent and repressive one in Egypt wasn't ? Yep. The same America that had no problem supporting rebels who illegally overthrew the Ukraine President - and now say that was fine because he was corrupt. It seems Obama's regime is a bit like PTP - say anything you like to suit the context. Disappointing that even a senior American government official can openly lies and claim Yingluck was deposed. She dissolved parliament, she was removed for abusing authority whilst pursuing nepotism. Seems like America under the current administration supports which version of events it prefers, nothing to do with truth or justice. Edited January 27, 2015 by Baerboxer 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tbthailand Posted January 27, 2015 Share Posted January 27, 2015 Is this the same America that described the military takeover as a coup but the more violent and repressive one in Egypt wasn't ? Yep. The same America that had no problem supporting rebels who illegally overthrew the Ukraine President - and now say that was fine because he was corrupt. It seems Obama's regime is a bit like PTP - say anything you like to suit the context. Disappointing that even a senior American government official can openly lies and claim Yingluck was deposed. She dissolved parliament, she was removed for abusing authority whilst pursuing nepotism. Seems like America under the current administration supports which version of events it prefers, nothing to do with truth or justice. Wait, what was it that she did which was sooooo horrible and an abuse of authority? Come on, go into the details, please. As for lies, please elaborate. What were the lies that the envoy told... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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