Thailand still IN DENIAL over teenage sex

[HooHaa]

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Edited May 27, 2015 by HooHaa

[bangon04]

Not much mention of the 14 year olds who are bullied / sold into village weddings by their parents in return for money and face. I know 5 females who were made pregnant before 15 in this way, with the full approval of family and village headman etc and anyone else with an opinion..... Of these 5, not one is still "married" today and the 10 kids are being cared for in the family community with apparently no problems.

and no mention of the brothers and uncles who make their young girls pregnant, again with no problems in the village, as long as they pay off the parents.

Are all these counted in the magic statistics? Do molesting uncles feel the need to wear condoms?

[car720]

Tell me just one thing that Thailand is NOT in denial about?

Being Thai.

Thought about it, and yep, that's it.

Not sure if it's a positive thing though.

I am pretty sure that they are not in denial about 5pm being Hong Thong time.

[BigBadGeordie]

Tell me just one thing that Thailand is NOT in denial about?

Being Thai.

Thought about it, and yep, that's it.

Not sure if it's a positive thing though.

I am pretty sure that they are not in denial about 5pm being Hong Thong time.

Clearly a typo in this post, for 5pm, please read 5am.

That is all, please carry on.

[Toscano]

Parents are often in denial that their children could be sexually active . Sex is a taboo subject among Thai adults , so would never be discussed with teenagers .

A doctor friend of my family advised " Always keep the dialogue open , if children ask about sex , answer them directly with a truthful answer ".

The pill should be available to girls from say 14yrs old and as suggested in this frank article condom machines in secondary schools .

Isaan has a proliferation of sex motels , one or two to almost every village , enquiring of a high school teacher ," Who uses them ?", her answer was ," Mostly teenagers " .

I am informed that many teenage girls do sex for pocket money.

It worries me to see so many girls and women in my rural village who are only good for sex and giving birth , many are no good at parenting .

As suggested parenting and nutrition should be taught in secondary schools .

[sanuk711]

Article 44 req'd, that'll stop the buggers fornicating ;-)

I have it on quite good authority that "Buggers" don't get pregnant Geordie ...............

[NickJ]

A crackdown wont work.....we need a war on sex.

[Yunla]

Parents are often in denial that their children could be sexually active . Sex is a taboo subject among Thai adults , so would never be discussed with teenagers .

A doctor friend of my family advised " Always keep the dialogue open , if children ask about sex , answer them directly with a truthful answer ".

The pill should be available to girls from say 14yrs old and as suggested in this frank article condom machines in secondary schools .

Isaan has a proliferation of sex motels , one or two to almost every village , enquiring of a high school teacher ," Who uses them ?", her answer was ," Mostly teenagers " .

I am informed that many teenage girls do sex for pocket money.

It worries me to see so many girls and women in my rural village who are only good for sex and giving birth , many are no good at parenting .

As suggested parenting and nutrition should be taught in secondary schools .

My best friend for the last twenty years is a Thai lady who grew up in Isaan, and she stayed there working on her family's farm for many years. But as soon as she gave birth to two daughters, she immediately packed her bags and moved to Bangkok, where she worked as a maid with none of the companionship or security she had back in her family home.

She explained to me that (in her words) "boys in province don't like it when you say no, they are rough boys" and she told me about her own experiences as a teenage girl in that rural area in the 1980s. She had many bad experiences there, and as soon as the doctor told her she'd had two daughters, she immediately decided to move to the capital, without a moment's pause. She also says that she now believes she was right to move, that boys in the city schools treat her daughters much better than she was treated back home.

I have no idea if she is right or not, and also I don't like generalisations about communities, there is good and bad people everywhere, imho. I really hope things have changed for young ladies in rural areas in the last thirty years, because some of the stories she told me were frightening. Also I think it is very good if contraception is readily available in all areas, it can only be a positive thing if birth-control availability is increased universally.

[DM07]

It is all about education.

I know several women (30 - 50) who actually believe, that "pulling it out" is a safe way to prevent pregnancies!

Mind the age- not young girls!

Grown up women!

[zakk9]

I have no idea if she is right or not, and also I don't like generalisations about communities, there is good and bad people everywhere, imho. I really hope things have changed for young ladies in rural areas in the last thirty years, because some of the stories she told me were frightening. Also I think it is very good if contraception is readily available in all areas, it can only be a positive thing if birth-control availability is increased universally.

Unfortunately, things haven't changed much. Rape within the family (or even the village) isn't really considered a crime in rural Thailand.

[BigBadGeordie]

It is all about education.

I know several women (30 - 50) who actually believe, that "pulling it out" is a safe way to prevent pregnancies!

Mind the age- not young girls!

Grown up women!

I understand that the "withdrawal method" was the prefered option of the Catholic Church for many many years.

[Jim walker]

Teenagers are shagging all over the world every day but most are better educated regarding sex either at school from primary years upwards and at home educated by the parents telling them the pitfalls of becoming pregnant or a parent at a young age, and all about peer pressure to have sex and how to reject any peer pressure. Thais would rather teach them to sing the national anthem as a more important issue than sex education. Educate youngsters but educate in a proper priority.

[Jeremy50]

How about free or heavily subsidised condoms for starters? This would also help reduce the huge rubber stockpile that the Government has on its hands.

The problem is - why use a condom when it feels so much better without? Is there a man or boy in the world who enjoys that 'condom moment'?

[TPI]

Hello and welcome to the 21st century.

This is happening worldwide and not just with Thailand. There are multiple factors at play here, culture, religion, education and hormones and the internet, to name just a few.

In terms of Thailand - this is a primarily Buddhist culture, so there's very little in terms of a proper moral compass, pointing the direction clearly in terms of relationships and moral ethic within relationships. This cannot be denied - since it is a well documented and evident fact that sexual immorality is rife within Thai culture, and not just with the unmarried.

This is not to take a religious bent on the issue - but it is a determining factor.

Therefore, there is not teaching that perhaps sex is something to be kept for marriage.

20 years ago, younger Thai girls of the middle class, were far less likely to have pre-marital sex, but that is changing rapidly with the current generation.

Sex is everywhere, and I'm not talking about P4P - I'm talking advertising and media as well as the internet.

The internet has to be brought into the equation, because now everyone has a smart phone at least, and everyone is looking at porn blogs and sexting etc etc and there is far more privacy for teens to engage in stimulation of either a textual or visual nature.

So this piques the sex drive at a younger age, and kids being kids, will always be fascinated and turned on by this.

Personally - I believe there is no real solution to this, because as we know, Thai culture and those in control of government policies and legislation are so terrifically blind, that they just cannot see that basic things like promoting safe sex by installing condom vending machines as a basic, is of course, a logical starting point.

The tidal wave of thought that it would be wrong to teach that sex in a married relationship is the best idea, has long washed away a more tradition moral standpoint, and thus, we are left with this result.

The murky area of age of consent etc, makes things more complicated, and the highly sexualised Thai culture with every conceivable sexuality under the sun thriving here, means you are tackling one of the biggest beasts of this country, and I for one believe it's like going to war with a mammoth, with our wielding only a paper sword as a weapon.

In this case, you would have to change the mindset of adult to actual give a fig about their kids, there would have to be proper sex education taught across the board, and you would have to change the mindset of the establishment.

Considering the fact that many older men have teenage giks, etc, I think it's highly unlikely that any real effort will be put into this, because privately and behind closed doors, they are probably quite happy that everyone is rutting.

Hear hear!

[car720]

Article 44 req'd, that'll stop the buggers fornicating ;-)

I have it on quite good authority that "Buggers" don't get pregnant Geordie ...............

Oh I don't know there are quite a few here who could well be the offspring of that union.

[Mister Fixit]

When I took my one of my daughters for a chicken pox vaccination at a leading private hospital in Hua Hin recently, the elderly physician suggested I bring her back in 12 months for a second injection - to protect her from a cancer-causing virus transmitted exclusively by sexual intercourse.

My daughter has just turned eight.

So much for sex education Thai style.

That would be for HPA (Human Papilloma Virus) which can only be prevented by injecting before a girl reaches puberty or becomes sexually active.

I must say that I think that 8 years old is a bit young, but there are girls nowadays who start to menstruate at 9 or 10 years old, so the doctor probably had her best interests at heart.

Personally, I'd have had it done. Then she's protected for life - an ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure ...

Edited May 28, 2015 by Mister Fixit

[ableguy]

This is all nonsense. Teenage pregnancies have been the norm in Thailand always, and with the sinking fertility rate (I believe it's around 1.6 nowadays), due to the fact that educated city women get few or no kids, these pregnant girls are also important to keep the population at sustainable levels. It would of course be nice if all those teenagers would wait till after they finished their education before getting children, but with the education level in Thailand, it's hard to see how that would help them. Then one could claim that as they get older, they would become more mature and more suited to take care of children, but in my experience, that is not necessarily the case in this country. Adults and grandmothers are just as guilty when it comes to failed parenting, not to speak about malnutrition, here.

Fix the education system first, and include a few lessons in parenting and nutrition too, then start to worry about the age of the mothers.

Wave your magic wand man, dream on.

[DM07]

It is all about education.

I know several women (30 - 50) who actually believe, that "pulling it out" is a safe way to prevent pregnancies!

Mind the age- not young girls!

Grown up women!

I understand that the "withdrawal method" was the prefered option of the Catholic Church for many many years.

Maybe I don't get your point, but...that makes it better...how?