GerdT Posted July 21, 2015 Share Posted July 21, 2015 As far as SSL goes that might cut out the average hacker but certainly not agencies like the NSA or GCHQ because for them this isn’t a problem anymore. Agreed. The only way to put sand into the cogs of NSA and GCHQ is a strong P to P encryption making sure when your e-mail leaves your computer it is already encrypted. PGP still goes strong, but then again mathematical algorithms and hardware has been compromised by these agencies for years, making sure backdoors and weaknesses have been introduced to ensure they can read whatever they want. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baerboxer Posted July 21, 2015 Share Posted July 21, 2015 According to the report in the BKK Post on the 19th, the police spent Euros 286K in 2013, and the Thai Army spent Euros 360K in 2014. Perhaps it was 2014, when the army hijacked the army meeting these people and through their cash around instead. This report talks of a big in deal in 2012, when the democratically elected PTP government of Yingluck Shiniwatra was in power and firmly, as always, in control of the RTP. Now, wasn't it about that time that the head of the computer crime division announced that anyone who dared to click "like" on a social media post that criticized or commented negatively on Yingluck, her criminal brother, his political party and government or their family and its business dealings would be tracked down and prosecuted. Not only those who actually wrote the post, but also all those who had the audacity to "like" the post as well. Maybe the purchase of this software was the enabler for him to do has he threatened. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baerboxer Posted July 21, 2015 Share Posted July 21, 2015 "...were groundless because surveillance on citizens was illegal and ran counter to national police agency policy..." ...as if this country were being run by a lawfully elected government. We believe, we believe... What's even more hilarious is the previous government was owned and controlled by a convicted criminal fugitive who was non-elected and a former policeman. And his government were running the country and police when this deal was done. You can really trust a government run by a crook on the lam and one of the most corrupt police forces in the world. They wouldn't lie would they? Wonder where the 30% went? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GerdT Posted July 21, 2015 Share Posted July 21, 2015 According to the report in the BKK Post on the 19th, the police spent Euros 286K in 2013, and the Thai Army spent Euros 360K in 2014. Perhaps it was 2014, when the army hijacked the army meeting these people and through their cash around instead. This report talks of a big in deal in 2012, when the democratically elected PTP government of Yingluck Shiniwatra was in power and firmly, as always, in control of the RTP. Now, wasn't it about that time that the head of the computer crime division announced that anyone who dared to click "like" on a social media post that criticized or commented negatively on Yingluck, her criminal brother, his political party and government or their family and its business dealings would be tracked down and prosecuted. Not only those who actually wrote the post, but also all those who had the audacity to "like" the post as well. Maybe the purchase of this software was the enabler for him to do has he threatened. Maybe you have the wrong idea what a big deal in the security business is. The amount mentioned in the article only gets you the wrapping and containers to shift equipment. The US and Britain spend billions of U$ dollars or Pounds Sterling on surveillance every year. Ruediger Weis, Professor for Mathematics and Informatics at Berlin University, Germany, who is also a cryptologist and member of Chaos Computer Club mentioned "We cryptologists always assumed we have to deal with a superior opponent, who has billions available and is in the possession of technology, which others do not possess." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Down the rabbit hole Posted July 21, 2015 Share Posted July 21, 2015 Ohh, another Thaksin-hater, opinions now fully-formed by TGF, and ready to bite someone's leg. 1-2-3 go! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GerdT Posted July 21, 2015 Share Posted July 21, 2015 "...were groundless because surveillance on citizens was illegal and ran counter to national police agency policy..." ...as if this country were being run by a lawfully elected government. We believe, we believe... What's even more hilarious is the previous government was owned and controlled by a convicted criminal fugitive who was non-elected and a former policeman. And his government were running the country and police when this deal was done. You can really trust a government run by a crook on the lam and one of the most corrupt police forces in the world. They wouldn't lie would they? Wonder where the 30% went? Are you trying to re-write history? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emster23 Posted July 21, 2015 Share Posted July 21, 2015 They don't plan to spy on people.... It's not that they won't, but they are loathe to planning.... off the cuff, play it by ear, on the fly..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
realenglish1 Posted July 21, 2015 Share Posted July 21, 2015 Sure the police say it illegal to spy on citizens It never stopped the NSA in the United States from spying on its citizens so what makes people think it won't be used against Thais Do you trust the police here in Thailand for abiding by the laws Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bamnutsak Posted July 21, 2015 Share Posted July 21, 2015 read away... https://wikileaks.org/hackingteam/emails?q=thailand&mfrom=&mto=&title=¬itle=&date=&nofrom=¬o=&count=50&sort=0#searchresult Believe the RTP spokesman is being a bit disingenuous. "We might have used it as a case study but definitely not bought it," said police spokesman Prawut Thawornsiri. So maybe they didn't pay for it, yet. ISOC is also using Dirtboxes and Stingrays; they don't want the RTP using this tech. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GerdT Posted July 21, 2015 Share Posted July 21, 2015 According to the report in the BKK Post on the 19th, the police spent Euros 286K in 2013, and the Thai Army spent Euros 360K in 2014. Perhaps it was 2014, when the army hijacked the army meeting these people and through their cash around instead. This report talks of a big in deal in 2012, when the democratically elected PTP government of Yingluck Shiniwatra was in power and firmly, as always, in control of the RTP. Now, wasn't it about that time that the head of the computer crime division announced that anyone who dared to click "like" on a social media post that criticized or commented negatively on Yingluck, her criminal brother, his political party and government or their family and its business dealings would be tracked down and prosecuted. Not only those who actually wrote the post, but also all those who had the audacity to "like" the post as well. Maybe the purchase of this software was the enabler for him to do has he threatened. There is a difference if an opinion is expressed in a private email or a like pressed on a forum or social media site, which are in the public domain. I think that’s where the law draws the line when it comes to privacy. Social media sites and forums have to self censor themselves in today’s world or they get punished for the deeds of some people that don’t understand the law in the country that site is operated from and I don’t blame the people in charge of these sites that they take it seriously. Nobody wants to be up in front of a judge because someone else doesn’t give a damn about the law. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
awayego Posted July 21, 2015 Share Posted July 21, 2015 "A Bangkok-based source said Hacking Team's software was sophisticated and highly-skilled personnel were needed to use the surveillance tools." That says it all really, absolutely no need for concern folks - TiT! Oh, dear, now I'm worried! It seems RTP has already recruited "sophisticated and highly skilled personnel"! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GerdT Posted July 21, 2015 Share Posted July 21, 2015 Sure the police say it illegal to spy on citizens It never stopped the NSA in the United States from spying on its citizens so what makes people think it won't be used against Thais Do you trust the police here in Thailand for abiding by the laws The problem is that your email even when mailed from Bangkok to Chang Mai will leave the country and can be intercepted by any foreign intelligence service the message passes through. The Thai police only needs an agreement with them to pass on messages that they find of interest. The Thai police in legal terms haven’t violated any laws and still come into the possession of the contents of your email. If you have an email account with Google, Yahoo or Hotmail try a tracert command and it will give you the hubs, milliseconds and the IP addresses it has travelled and the countries it goes through when sending a mail from Bangkok to Chang Mai. Maybe you will understand why the Thai police don’t have to break any laws if they have agreements with foreign agencies that will do the work for them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
awayego Posted July 21, 2015 Share Posted July 21, 2015 OMG! They've already blocked my emails! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GerdT Posted July 21, 2015 Share Posted July 21, 2015 "A Bangkok-based source said Hacking Team's software was sophisticated and highly-skilled personnel were needed to use the surveillance tools." That says it all really, absolutely no need for concern folks - TiT! Oh, dear, now I'm worried! It seems RTP has already recruited "sophisticated and highly skilled personnel"! Specialist cyber police.jpg Your posted image reminds me of a person that asked me where to stick the post stamp on the screen when sending an email. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tajtom Posted July 21, 2015 Share Posted July 21, 2015 Fear not laugh yes They do not have anything available and the Italians are full of hot air...Even if there dodgy software was working it only is suitable for Thai accounts EMAIL. This is not permitted in any shape or form across the internet world. They can be sued internationally for damages. They cant even setup traffic cameras crikey son get it together Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
awayego Posted July 21, 2015 Share Posted July 21, 2015 "A Bangkok-based source said Hacking Team's software was sophisticated and highly-skilled personnel were needed to use the surveillance tools." That says it all really, absolutely no need for concern folks - TiT! Oh, dear, now I'm worried! It seems RTP has already recruited "sophisticated and highly skilled personnel"! Specialist cyber police.jpg Your posted image reminds me of a person that asked me where to stick the post stamp on the screen when sending an email. Haha! I used to teach basic computing to (mainly) mature ladies. It was a hell of a job to stop them using Tippex on the screen when they made a mistake! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GerdT Posted July 21, 2015 Share Posted July 21, 2015 (edited) "A Bangkok-based source said Hacking Team's software was sophisticated and highly-skilled personnel were needed to use the surveillance tools." That says it all really, absolutely no need for concern folks - TiT! Oh, dear, now I'm worried! It seems RTP has already recruited "sophisticated and highly skilled personnel"! Specialist cyber police.jpg Your posted image reminds me of a person that asked me where to stick the post stamp on the screen when sending an email. Haha! I used to teach basic computing to (mainly) mature ladies. It was a hell of a job to stop them using Tippex on the screen when they made a mistake! Not all mature women use Tippex I guess. I did meet one on the way to Europe at Bangkok airport. She knew a lot about computers, operating systems and programming and we had some really interesting discussions on the flight. The biggest surprise was, she was Thai which might for some on the forum here come as a shock. Edited July 21, 2015 by GerdT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kannikapor88 Posted July 21, 2015 Share Posted July 21, 2015 Police spokesman Pol Lt General Prawut Thawornsiri, the chief spokesman, said reports of the 2012 deal with Italy-based Hacking Team worth more than Bt10 million were groundless because surveillance on citizens was illegal and ran counter to national police agency policy. and therefore it will not happen since Thai Police work according to the law ... Where are JD, GB and the other RTP apologists when you need a good laugh ... ?A Bangkok-based source said Hacking Team's software was sophisticated and highly-skilled personnel were needed to use the surveillance tools. Well we should all be safe then since RTP IQ in average can not be higher than the IQ of an infant - B2 case has shown that to the World - Everyone is still laughing at RTP and crying about the in-Justice aginst some poor burmese ... Personally I wouldnt post anything unless I had my VPN - never know in this 3rd World country could be some STASI wanna-be lurking around out there ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thai at Heart Posted July 21, 2015 Share Posted July 21, 2015 Sophisticated software needing highly trained people to use it. See, they can't be using it. It's too complicated...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GerdT Posted July 21, 2015 Share Posted July 21, 2015 Police spokesman Pol Lt General Prawut Thawornsiri, the chief spokesman, said reports of the 2012 deal with Italy-based Hacking Team worth more than Bt10 million were groundless because surveillance on citizens was illegal and ran counter to national police agency policy. and therefore it will not happen since Thai Police work according to the law ... Where are JD, GB and the other RTP apologists when you need a good laugh ... ? A Bangkok-based source said Hacking Team's software was sophisticated and highly-skilled personnel were needed to use the surveillance tools. Well we should all be safe then since RTP IQ in average can not be higher than the IQ of an infant - B2 case has shown that to the World - Everyone is still laughing at RTP and crying about the in-Justice aginst some poor burmese ... Personally I wouldnt post anything unless I had my VPN - never know in this 3rd World country could be some STASI wanna-be lurking around out there ... Documents show that Edgehill's initial aim was to decode the encrypted traffic certified by three major (unnamed) internet companies and 30 types of Virtual Private Network (VPN) – used by businesses to provide secure remote access to their systems. By 2015, GCHQ hoped to have cracked the codes used by 15 major internet companies, and 300 VPNs. (http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/sep/05/nsa-gchq-encryption-codes-security) As the saying goes in God (VNP) we trust. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rancid Posted July 21, 2015 Share Posted July 21, 2015 They should spy on everyone as it is to keep us all safe from terrorists and non-compliant subversives (wannabe terrorists). If we're lucky soon they will confiscate cash, limit bank withdrawals, have machines that see us naked at the airports, have all police dressed & armed like soldiers, taser traffic offenders, gun down more civilians, plan bank bail-ins, and start wars for democracy & profit all over the planet. Now that is real freedom, something to which Thailand should aspire. This is hopefully a step in the right direction. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Down the rabbit hole Posted July 21, 2015 Share Posted July 21, 2015 "Police deny plans to spy on people's e-mails, mobiles" Interesting. One wonders why then, did they pay a lot of money for some very expensive exploit software to do exactly that, and which has no other purpose? Of course, they will now follow the long-established Thai MO and lie about buying it at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Down the rabbit hole Posted July 21, 2015 Share Posted July 21, 2015 Follow-up comment: It is very common in Thailand for the wrong question to be asked. This is a function of intelligence and a repressive culture. The right question to have asked is: "If they did buy this sotware so they could illegally spy on Thai citizens, would they admit to it" Old hands in Thailand will likely want to take a view about that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inepto Cracy Posted July 21, 2015 Share Posted July 21, 2015 "They" are spying all the time. Leave your smartphone on your table while you sit and do something else. It will switch on by itself. Then "They" switch on your cameras to see around and the mict to record your conversation. Don't believe me, send a Line message or normal sms, pres send and if your message jumps while sending, normally 3 times, then it has been sent to 3 people plus the person you have addressed it to. Time for cyberghost. You have been intercepted, phone, emails and messages since last year May. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
faraday Posted July 21, 2015 Share Posted July 21, 2015 "They" are spying all the time. Leave your smartphone on your table while you sit and do something else. It will switch on by itself. Then "They" switch on your cameras to see around and the mict to record your conversation. Don't believe me, send a Line message or normal sms, pres send and if your message jumps while sending, normally 3 times, then it has been sent to 3 people plus the person you have addressed it to. Time for cyberghost. You have been intercepted, phone, emails and messages since last year May. What do you mean by 'Jumps'? I think that 'they' can & do, see everything.............George Orwell did warn us though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alex88 Posted July 21, 2015 Share Posted July 21, 2015 If Thailand starts spying on people like that then it will be just like the 'free countries' in the west. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alex88 Posted July 21, 2015 Share Posted July 21, 2015 reports of the 2012 deal with Italy-based Hacking Team worth more than Bt10 million were groundless because surveillance on citizens was illegal and ran counter to national police agency policy.since when has illegality stopped the Thai police from performing criminal acts? Just like in most western countries. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bamnutsak Posted July 21, 2015 Share Posted July 21, 2015 If Thailand starts spying on people like that then it will be just like the 'free countries' in the west. "...these countries based on tracing endpoints of Hacking Team proxy chains: Azerbaijan, Colombia, Egypt, Ethiopia,Hungary, Italy, Kazakhstan, Korea, Malaysia, Mexico, Morocco, Nigeria, Oman, Panama, Poland, Saudi Arabia, Sudan, Thailand, Turkey, United Arab Emirates and Uzbekistan." https://citizenlab.org/2014/02/mapping-hacking-teams-untraceable-spyware/ Awesome crowd. I believe that the Italian government - Hacking Team is based in Italy - restricted/outlawed the importation of this type of software circa 2103/2014? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Down the rabbit hole Posted July 21, 2015 Share Posted July 21, 2015 If Thailand starts spying on people like that then it will be just like the 'free countries' in the west. Agreed. Doesn't make it right though. Or legal, or moral. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
faraday Posted July 21, 2015 Share Posted July 21, 2015 (edited) Often wondered about getting a Blackphone, expensive though..... Edited July 21, 2015 by faraday Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.png.3b3332cc2256ad0edbc2fe9404feeef0.png)
.thumb.jpg.bc523c85a8d558dbc282dca7a2e602c9.jpg)
Recommended Posts
Create an account or sign in to comment
You need to be a member in order to leave a comment
Create an account
Sign up for a new account in our community. It's easy!
Register a new accountSign in
Already have an account? Sign in here.
Sign In Now