Thai at Heart Posted November 18, 2015 Share Posted November 18, 2015 Thailand is everyones ally and nobody's friend. Isn't that somewhat akin to being a hooker? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yellowboat Posted November 18, 2015 Share Posted November 18, 2015 Send out the troublemaker: "Pro-Democracy" activists....says it all....foreign paid troublemaker most probably. Again you distinguish yourself. We all take great solace in knowing that people who think like you are a tiny minority. So , you are not for representative governments ? You do not believe in Chinese or Thai democracy ? Democracy is a nice thing to have....but not a must. Must have: Peace Food living place work medical care education than some luxuries, TV, mobile phone, wine than democracy If you have civil war or hunger than I would first exchange democracy for bread. See Iraq and Libya ....happy Democracies.....before with their dictator they were better off. I would say Chinese government makes way better politics than US or EU governments, so why would anyone want to change it for the worse? If some evil dictator rape the country, people are hungry, than of course Democracy is the way to go. If the government does well, in a huge country with many different ethnics, economic grow is good, everything is improving why would someone exchange that for maybe civil war when some populists wants to get some share. So a representative government in your mind causes hunger, strife and educational woes ? Where was the airplane created ? Who got the moon first ? Where do most of the Chinese and other Asians want to be educated ? Mind you you can criticize the US and EU today for losing their moral compass, but some much was given to the world for its freedoms. But Chinese democracy does work and it works very well. It is sad you only believe in only your creature comforts and not in freedom Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yellowboat Posted November 18, 2015 Share Posted November 18, 2015 Thailand is everyones ally and nobody's friend. Isn't that somewhat akin to being a hooker? Most the hookers I have met are just business people. Money is the reason why they do what they do, but there is no reason to be hurtful or arrogant. This is a lesson that the good general needs to learn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
casualbiker Posted November 18, 2015 Share Posted November 18, 2015 " It said Jiang Yefei and Dong Guangping were arrested by Thai authorities on 28 October for not having valid visas." Why and how could the UN have allowed this to happen? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MZurf Posted November 18, 2015 Share Posted November 18, 2015 (edited) I approve without reserve the Thailand for these evictions. These activists have maybe likely justifications in their action but they harm the interests of the friendly Thailand of China. And thus it is good that they are expelled without delay on the principle that the general interest prevails. As for the concise and simplistic judgments on China as communist, fascist etc. it would be necessary to ask to their authors for the recipe to govern 1400000000 of the people without conflict majeur since almost century. One can only hope you were being facetious.On another note why didn't the Chinese Overlords just instruct the Thais to attitude adjust the dissidents?? Problem solved! Edited November 18, 2015 by MZurf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluespunk Posted November 18, 2015 Share Posted November 18, 2015 Thailand is dancing to the tune of its new patron. Master Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yellowboat Posted November 18, 2015 Share Posted November 18, 2015 (edited) " It said Jiang Yefei and Dong Guangping were arrested by Thai authorities on 28 October for not having valid visas." Why and how could the UN have allowed this to happen? It is not the best run organization. Was going to Bangkok from Cambodia. A beautiful Mexican woman sitting next to me was a UN intern in Phnom Penh. She had no idea she needed to obtain a visa prior to landing in Thailand. She was sent back. You would think somebody where she works would know this and tell her. My apartment building in Bangkok was full of UN interns, all beautiful, young women. There are distractions or perks to saving man kind I suppose. Edited November 18, 2015 by yellowboat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HerbalEd Posted November 18, 2015 Share Posted November 18, 2015 where is the blasting though? I don't beleive it is stupid. this is not the us, Thailand need not pander to the us. immoral maybe, but understand your us is similar in its policing attitudes to soviet union police before its break up. why would thailand care aobut us processing and acceptance? Please do tell us about the cases where USA returned fleeing dissidents back to USSR ... or modern Russia. Or did you see it in a movie? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waldroj Posted November 18, 2015 Share Posted November 18, 2015 More proof that the junta head only does things HIS way - even if it means having to manipulate the acceptable practice to do so! Radio Free Asia (RFA) reports (16 November) that Jiang and Dong were charged with illegally entering the country before they were deported. They pleaded guilty to these charges, and were fined 6,000 and 5,000 baht respectively for the offence. In a sinister development by Thailand and their new best buddy, the guilty plea paved the way for deportation procedures to begin, and (say RFA) the Chinese government paid the fines on their behalf. This is quite a serious action on Thailand’s part, especially as it appears that the two men were recognised as refugees, and their claim of persecution was found to be legitimate by UNHCR. They were waiting to go to Canada, and should not have been sent back to a place where their lives can be put in danger (according to UNHCR regional spokeswoman Vivian Tan)! As the UNHCR points out, Thailand is not a signatory to the 1951 Refugee Convention, nor does it have a specific law on refugees, which according to The Washington Post (17 November), would have prevented their involuntary repatriation to their homeland while under threat. And the only official word coming from the Thai immigration officials so far, is that the two deported men were not Uighurs – how reassuring! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kaorop Posted November 18, 2015 Share Posted November 18, 2015 Comes to mind Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HerbalEd Posted November 18, 2015 Share Posted November 18, 2015 Send out the troublemaker: "Pro-Democracy" activists....says it all....foreign paid troublemaker most probably. Again you distinguish yourself. We all take great solace in knowing that people who think like you are a tiny minority. So , you are not for representative governments ? You do not believe in Chinese or Thai democracy ? No ... he's only a troll and you're feeding him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
metisdead Posted November 18, 2015 Share Posted November 18, 2015 Off topic posts and replies have been removed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dageurreotype Posted November 18, 2015 Share Posted November 18, 2015 Thailand is everyones ally and nobody's friend. Isn't that somewhat akin to being a hooker? Most the hookers I have met are just business people. Money is the reason why they do what they do, but there is no reason to be hurtful or arrogant. This is a lesson that the good general needs to learn Yeah, that's what TaH said. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
h90 Posted November 18, 2015 Share Posted November 18, 2015 Send out the troublemaker: "Pro-Democracy" activists....says it all....foreign paid troublemaker most probably. Again you distinguish yourself. We all take great solace in knowing that people who think like you are a tiny minority. So , you are not for representative governments ? You do not believe in Chinese or Thai democracy ? Democracy is a nice thing to have....but not a must. Must have: Peace Food living place work medical care education than some luxuries, TV, mobile phone, wine than democracy If you have civil war or hunger than I would first exchange democracy for bread. See Iraq and Libya ....happy Democracies.....before with their dictator they were better off. I would say Chinese government makes way better politics than US or EU governments, so why would anyone want to change it for the worse? If some evil dictator rape the country, people are hungry, than of course Democracy is the way to go. If the government does well, in a huge country with many different ethnics, economic grow is good, everything is improving why would someone exchange that for maybe civil war when some populists wants to get some share. So a representative government in your mind causes hunger, strife and educational woes ? Where was the airplane created ? Who got the moon first ? Where do most of the Chinese and other Asians want to be educated ? Mind you you can criticize the US and EU today for losing their moral compass, but some much was given to the world for its freedoms. But Chinese democracy does work and it works very well. It is sad you only believe in only your creature comforts and not in freedom So you think if the Communist government in China (which isn't very repressive, if you compare with the democracies in Asia) falls than there will be a lovely democracy and happy freedom? That is more than naive..... Libya was the richest, most developed country in Africa....good living standard, free education and healthcare, dictator. Now they are a happy democracy? Does it look like it will improve in the next 10 years? Do they people have more freedom? And also think for women, and gays. How did Yugoslavia develop into democracy? And they are almost in the middle of Europe. I am sure the Gays and Christians in Assad controlled areas like to have the comfort of having their head on their shoulders unless in the liberated areas. Removing an undemocratic regime does not mean you get a lovely Democracy. Actually you say yourself that US and EU lost their moral compass......Chinese Democracy should be better? Airplane and Moon.....look up what was invented in European kingdoms, what under the Nazis and what under Communists. I can't see much difference in inventions. Or do you see India outperforming China in anything? I think with wealth Democracy will come on itself...with foreign sponsored "activists" there will be troubles only. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FredNL Posted November 18, 2015 Share Posted November 18, 2015 (edited) A guy I know, that was teaching some ict stuff at a university in Bangkok, got deported to Cuba beginning this month. His parents moved out of Cuba in the 60's or 70's to Luxembourg. He was born in 1985 in Luxembourg but the law overthere is like this. If both parents aren't Luxembourg nationals you can not become a Luxembourg National. He had a Cuban passport with loads of stamps for Europe and was officially a refugee. His parents were/are running a hotel / restaurant in the city of Luxembourg. He got arrested on his way to Vientiane because his Visa expired the day before (a Sunday). The van he was traveling in was pulled over and checked near Kon Kaen around 1 AM on the Monday night. He got himself a 50,000 THB fine for bribing officers. I don't know how Thailand managed to get someone to Cuba, a country he has never seen in his life. As far as I know there are no direct flights from Swampy. I know that he's already back in Luxembourg. I received a short email from him last week. Edited November 18, 2015 by FredNL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sendintheclowns Posted November 18, 2015 Share Posted November 18, 2015 " It said Jiang Yefei and Dong Guangping were arrested by Thai authorities on 28 October for not having valid visas." Why and how could the UN have allowed this to happen? It is not the best run organization. Was going to Bangkok from Cambodia. A beautiful Mexican woman sitting next to me was a UN intern in Phnom Penh. She had no idea she needed to obtain a visa prior to landing in Thailand. She was sent back. You would think somebody where she works would know this and tell her. My apartment building in Bangkok was full of UN interns, all beautiful, young women. There are distractions or perks to saving man kind I suppose. Would you mind sharing that address please? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ravip Posted November 18, 2015 Share Posted November 18, 2015 Thailand should be kicked out of the U.N. That would be doing a favour to TH Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DM07 Posted November 18, 2015 Share Posted November 18, 2015 Human lives and Human rights- two things, that are very cheap in Thailand! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spidermike007 Posted November 18, 2015 Share Posted November 18, 2015 Expect anything done by the current government to be Ill advised, poorly thought out, and in this case, an extreme act of cowardice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spidermike007 Posted November 18, 2015 Share Posted November 18, 2015 At the very least, it was an extreme act of cowardice, rivaling that of the return of the Uighur dissidents. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barin Posted November 18, 2015 Share Posted November 18, 2015 Send out the troublemaker: "Pro-Democracy" activists....says it all....foreign paid troublemaker most probably. Again you distinguish yourself. We all take great solace in knowing that people who think like you are a tiny minority. So , you are not for representative governments ? You do not believe in Chinese or Thai democracy ? No, there are many other TV members here who think the same! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baerboxer Posted November 18, 2015 Share Posted November 18, 2015 More proof that the junta head only does things HIS way - even if it means having to manipulate the acceptable practice to do so! Radio Free Asia (RFA) reports (16 November) that Jiang and Dong were charged with illegally entering the country before they were deported. They pleaded guilty to these charges, and were fined 6,000 and 5,000 baht respectively for the offence. In a sinister development by Thailand and their new best buddy, the guilty plea paved the way for deportation procedures to begin, and (say RFA) the Chinese government paid the fines on their behalf. This is quite a serious action on Thailand’s part, especially as it appears that the two men were recognised as refugees, and their claim of persecution was found to be legitimate by UNHCR. They were waiting to go to Canada, and should not have been sent back to a place where their lives can be put in danger (according to UNHCR regional spokeswoman Vivian Tan)! As the UNHCR points out, Thailand is not a signatory to the 1951 Refugee Convention, nor does it have a specific law on refugees, which according to The Washington Post (17 November), would have prevented their involuntary repatriation to their homeland while under threat. And the only official word coming from the Thai immigration officials so far, is that the two deported men were not Uighurs – how reassuring! If you enter any country illegally and are caught then you are likely to be deported. Thailand deports people to the country of citizenship i.e. what country your passport says you are a citizen of. You don't get a choice of where you'd like to go. That law was in existence way before the Junta took over. The UNHCR should look at themselves, how their overpaid fat cats managed this and ballsed it up. Why on earth were they people still Thailand and why choose Thailand to enter illegally? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waldroj Posted November 18, 2015 Share Posted November 18, 2015 Baerboxer Signatories to the 1951 Refugee Convention typically do not deport people if they are declared to be refugees (especially if sending them back to a country could place their lives in danger). That fact that Thailand was not a signatory to the 1951 Refugee Convention (and lacks specific law on refugees) before the junta took control does not excuse it from its actions in this instance! At the very least, Thailand should have accepted the principal of non-refoulement as set forth in Article 14 of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights (which, incidentally, Thailand is a signatory to)! It seems that on 28 October, at the request of the Chinese government, Thai police arrested Jiang, a convention refugee under UN protection, and Dong, an asylum seeker holding a UN protection letter. Under UN protection, they should never be arrested, let alone deported. But, it seems that Thai authorities decided that, as these two refugees are wanted by Chinese police, they should be deported back to China. Thailand, deservedly, has received widespread condemnation for this pathetic action! I don’t see where UNHCR erred in this situation. As I said before, the two individuals were waiting to go to Canada, having been accepted as refugees, at the time of their arrest by Thai authorities. They were interviewed by UNHCR, and their claim of persecution was found to be legitimate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MobileContent Posted November 18, 2015 Share Posted November 18, 2015 Nong Khai Railway to Bangkok seems to got a green light and certainly financed by China. Possible 10 more millions Chinese tourists to come next year to Thailand. 2 Chinese dissidents for 10 million Chinese next year is a good deal for Thailand. Surely it is morally wrong but both Thailand and China are very much run by the military so Thailand will benefit out of it. SADLY BUT REALITY. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
casualbiker Posted November 18, 2015 Share Posted November 18, 2015 Baerboxer Signatories to the 1951 Refugee Convention typically do not deport people if they are declared to be refugees (especially if sending them back to a country could place their lives in danger). That fact that Thailand was not a signatory to the 1951 Refugee Convention (and lacks specific law on refugees) before the junta took control does not excuse it from its actions in this instance! At the very least, Thailand should have accepted the principal of non-refoulement as set forth in Article 14 of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights (which, incidentally, Thailand is a signatory to)! It seems that on 28 October, at the request of the Chinese government, Thai police arrested Jiang, a convention refugee under UN protection, and Dong, an asylum seeker holding a UN protection letter. Under UN protection, they should never be arrested, let alone deported. But, it seems that Thai authorities decided that, as these two refugees are wanted by Chinese police, they should be deported back to China. Thailand, deservedly, has received widespread condemnation for this pathetic action! I don’t see where UNHCR erred in this situation. As I said before, the two individuals were waiting to go to Canada, having been accepted as refugees, at the time of their arrest by Thai authorities. They were interviewed by UNHCR, and their claim of persecution was found to be legitimate. The article implies that the two had no visa's. Whose responsibility is that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MZurf Posted November 18, 2015 Share Posted November 18, 2015 Send out the troublemaker: "Pro-Democracy" activists....says it all....foreign paid troublemaker most probably. Again you distinguish yourself. We all take great solace in knowing that people who think like you are a tiny minority. So , you are not for representative governments ? You do not believe in Chinese or Thai democracy ? No, there are many other TV members here who think the same! I wouldn't call two people many. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MZurf Posted November 18, 2015 Share Posted November 18, 2015 More proof that the junta head only does things HIS way - even if it means having to manipulate the acceptable practice to do so! Radio Free Asia (RFA) reports (16 November) that Jiang and Dong were charged with illegally entering the country before they were deported. They pleaded guilty to these charges, and were fined 6,000 and 5,000 baht respectively for the offence. In a sinister development by Thailand and their new best buddy, the guilty plea paved the way for deportation procedures to begin, and (say RFA) the Chinese government paid the fines on their behalf. This is quite a serious action on Thailand’s part, especially as it appears that the two men were recognised as refugees, and their claim of persecution was found to be legitimate by UNHCR. They were waiting to go to Canada, and should not have been sent back to a place where their lives can be put in danger (according to UNHCR regional spokeswoman Vivian Tan)! As the UNHCR points out, Thailand is not a signatory to the 1951 Refugee Convention, nor does it have a specific law on refugees, which according to The Washington Post (17 November), would have prevented their involuntary repatriation to their homeland while under threat. And the only official word coming from the Thai immigration officials so far, is that the two deported men were not Uighurs – how reassuring! If you enter any country illegally and are caught then you are likely to be deported. Thailand deports people to the country of citizenship i.e. what country your passport says you are a citizen of. You don't get a choice of where you'd like to go. That law was in existence way before the Junta took over. The UNHCR should look at themselves, how their overpaid fat cats managed this and ballsed it up. Why on earth were they people still Thailand and why choose Thailand to enter illegally? Pesky Chinese political dissidents, cowardly fleeing political persecution. Send them back to the frying pan I say! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phoenixdoglover Posted November 18, 2015 Share Posted November 18, 2015 The Chinese are investing in Thailand. They expect something in return. Money or blood will do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yann55 Posted November 18, 2015 Share Posted November 18, 2015 So Prayuth is pro communist and not a facist. What an appalling attempt at logic. China hasn't been communist since Mao died. It's fascist. Like the Thai junta. Hence the new axis. When Mao was alive, China was not communist either. It never was a communist society. Neither were the USSR, Cuba, or any other country which labelled itself 'communist' (or 'socialist' for that matter) in the past century. Indeed, there never was a communist society anywhere in this world since Karl Marx wrote 'Das Kapital', a deep, brilliant and thorough analysis of the 19th Century English economical system. He theorised and called 'capitalism' what was, in effect, the result of centuries of human societies living and trading together, struggling to integrate and balance the ingredients of power, survival, ambition or lack thereof, natural or un-natural inequality, freedom, morals, ethics, and many others. He saw clearly that the so-called Industrial Revolution had brought about enormous changes within that process and created social fault lines that would eventually cause cataclysms and start an acceleration factor reminiscent of the Sorcerer's Apprentice. He was spot-on in every respect, but had three major problems : 1/ He wrote like a scholar, concerned about being intellectually honest, thorough and consistent, but not in the least about being fluid, understandable, except by his peers. 80% of the theses written in the context of universities have that same flaw. They may contain absolute treasures (and a lot of them do), but only a handful of people will know because they are utterly obscure for the average reader. So here's the absurd reality : Das Kapital is a work of pure genius, it has been quoted and used ad nauseam ... but seldom read. 2/ After analyzing the capitalist system, determining how it worked, how it is fueled, who it serves and who it harms, he saw in it so much potential for disaster that he naturally felt compelled to propose another system, a system where the major malfunctions he had identified would be 'repaired'. He called it socialism. Because of that we are now stuck with the totally illusory notion that capitalism and socialism are somehow two equivalent paths, between which people in power have a choice. Nothing could be more wrong. Just like an individual who has lived for, say, 50 years, and become a subtle and complex mixture of good and bad, assets and flaws, stengths and weaknesses, may dream of 'fixing' him/herself after reading some seductive work on self improvement, but will soon realize that it would be much like jumping over his/her own knees. 3/ A number of people who did not have his intellectual insight and honesty quickly realized how his work could be exploited to support their political agenda. The position of Friedrich Engels, in this respect, is not clear, but I believe that he was the first man who realized the political potential of Marx's genius and decided, for better or worse (mostly the latter) to 'help' him 'popularize' it. Engels' motivation was probably honest, but he paved the way for a number of political monsters like Lenin, Stalin, and Mao, whose agenda was, need it be said, power, power, and more power, and certainly not the happiness and well-being of their fellow humans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mmh8 Posted November 19, 2015 Share Posted November 19, 2015 where is the blasting though? I don't beleive it is stupid. this is not the us, Thailand need not pander to the us. immoral maybe, but understand your us is similar in its policing attitudes to soviet union police before its break up. why would thailand care aobut us processing and acceptance? Because we care and we vote with our dollars and every time these things happen. We think twice about doing business in Thailand and buying from Thailand. True, the US has done bad things and they are takened to task over that, as should Thailand for the despicable acts. It is a bit childish to think because other countries lose their moral compass that Thailand is allow to do so as well. Why not raise the bar instead of lowering it all the time ? how much notice do you think the traders that work with thailand take over another human rights abuse in thailand, you have people obtaining bail after conviction when appealing so they may leave the country, you have officials implicated and complicit in human slavery, you have companies locking up non nationals - e.g. burmese workers and paid pittance to work in food companies that export internatinoanlly, you have a high ranking official taking interest in and guiding the conclusions of criminal cases I could go on, but these issues and there are many of them have not stopped the us or any other country stop offering dollars for cheap resources, because after all, when you look on the screen it is just a dollar, wether its come from selling drugs, prostitution, people smuggling , or a small corrupt south american island nation its still a dollar. Thailand carries out these acts, and receives no penalties, likewise the us are known to have used torture and are known to deliver prisoners of its enenmies to countries with dubious human rights records. is it not more the case that these people are not our enemy today, who knows tomorrow? I mean if they worshipped a different god perhaps they could be todays enemy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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