UK Benefits Farce.

[jacky54]

Food stamps in place of money is one step in the right direction tied to the person so they cannot be sold like they used to do with milk tikens

[chiang mai]

My kids were raised not to be spongers and work for what you want in life.

Epic fail!

Now I get where you're coming from, sorry to be so late.

[MaeJoMTB]

Sorry, now you're going OTT

At 19 she would not get a 4 bedroom house, unless she had four children all of different sexes and of course that's not possible is it? If you had said she got a 2 bedroom house that would have been believable.

I believe disabled kids are 'entitled' to their own room.

So possible, but not until 3 kids produced, 1 of which listed as disabled.

Edited December 30, 2015 by MaeJoMTB

[loppylugs1]

"One daughter however became involved with a group of Muslims at College and became brainwashed.

I'm not racist, but I didn't like their radical attitudes and total disrespect for others.

My daughter took some vows and became a Muslim at 19 years of age."

Don't confuse race with religion.

You have religiophobia towards muslims.

Freedom of Information states most or all of Muslims in the UK are on some form of welfare. Roll on the Universal Credit IDS is spot on with this one,will put a stop to this lot

[chiang mai]

"One daughter however became involved with a group of Muslims at College and became brainwashed.

I'm not racist, but I didn't like their radical attitudes and total disrespect for others.

My daughter took some vows and became a Muslim at 19 years of age."

Don't confuse race with religion.

You have religiophobia towards muslims.

Freedom of Information states most or all of Muslims in the UK are on some form of welfare. Roll on the Universal Credit IDS is spot on with this one,will put a stop to this lot

Bul l sh ite!

[Liquorice]

Young girls 18 have baby, given two bedroom house, don't have to work, get income support, all rent and taxes paid, child support +.

In my daughters case she was 19, 4 bed house, the rest and many ++++.

She's my daughter and I love her, but I'm ashamed of how she deliberately abuses and laughs at the system.

She is just one example of thousands costing the State millions.

When I explain to her that thousands of Pensioners who have worked all their lives, paid taxes, NI contributions and have their Pensions frozen just because they decide to retire to one Country or another, I get the face palm and the quip 'not my problem'.

Sorry, now you're going OTT

At 19 she would not get a 4 bedroom house, unless she had four children all of different sexes and of course that's not possible is it? If you had said she got a 2 bedroom house that would have been believable.

Facts not exaggeration!

Because of 2 bedroom shortages, she and a friend who had a baby were allowed to share a 4 bedroom house through a Housing association.

They have a website of listed houses and tenants can basically swap houses with each other as families sizes increase or decrease, provided they agree the terms of rent etc. 2 Bedrooms houses were in great demand when the bedroom tax was introduced.

Working families living in a 3 bed with only one child now at home had to pay an extra tax for the 'spare' bedroom.

Single mothers like my daughter on benefits don't pay the rents or taxes anyway, so it makes no difference to them.

Pensioners who have lived 30/40 years in a 4 bed family house, now alone, were being penalised and taxed because of the extra bedrooms tax.

Single mothers jumped at the chance to upgrade because the benefits system pays their rents.

She's always lived in a 4 bedroom house. She's exchanged houses at least 3 times in the last 4 years.

She only moved into her current home a few months ago, but she's already looking for another exchange because she states there are to many Pakistanis living in the area.

She gets £186.47 Housing Benefit per week, and with other benefits she isn't worried if she has to put a little extra towards the rent.

Her current rent is £192 per week.

What's £5.53 a week out of the other £650 a week she gets in various benefits and allowances.

[loppylugs1]

"One daughter however became involved with a group of Muslims at College and became brainwashed.

I'm not racist, but I didn't like their radical attitudes and total disrespect for others.

My daughter took some vows and became a Muslim at 19 years of age."

Don't confuse race with religion.

You have religiophobia towards muslims.

Freedom of Information states most or all of Muslims in the UK are on some form of welfare. Roll on the Universal Credit IDS is spot on with this one,will put a stop to this lot

Bul l sh ite!

your explanation please LOL

[chiang mai]

"One daughter however became involved with a group of Muslims at College and became brainwashed.

I'm not racist, but I didn't like their radical attitudes and total disrespect for others.

My daughter took some vows and became a Muslim at 19 years of age."

Don't confuse race with religion.

You have religiophobia towards muslims.

Freedom of Information states most or all of Muslims in the UK are on some form of welfare. Roll on the Universal Credit IDS is spot on with this one,will put a stop to this lot

Bul l sh ite!

your explanation please LOL

Since when does Bul sh ite need an explanation!

And until you post the authenticated copy of that FOI to back up your statement, everything else you have to say on the subject remains, Bul sh ite!

[Apiwan2]

Young girls 18 have baby, given two bedroom house, don't have to work, get income support, all rent and taxes paid, child support +.

In my daughters case she was 19, 4 bed house, the rest and many ++++.

She's my daughter and I love her, but I'm ashamed of how she deliberately abuses and laughs at the system.

She is just one example of thousands costing the State millions.

When I explain to her that thousands of Pensioners who have worked all their lives, paid taxes, NI contributions and have their Pensions frozen just because they decide to retire to one Country or another, I get the face palm and the quip 'not my problem'.

Sorry, now you're going OTT

At 19 she would not get a 4 bedroom house, unless she had four children all of different sexes and of course that's not possible is it? If you had said she got a 2 bedroom house that would have been believable.

Facts not exaggeration!

Because of 2 bedroom shortages, she and a friend who had a baby were allowed to share a 4 bedroom house through a Housing association.

They have a website of listed houses and tenants can basically swap houses with each other as families sizes increase or decrease, provided they agree the terms of rent etc. 2 Bedrooms houses were in great demand when the bedroom tax was introduced.

Working families living in a 3 bed with only one child now at home had to pay an extra tax for the 'spare' bedroom.

Single mothers like my daughter on benefits don't pay the rents or taxes anyway, so it makes no difference to them.

Pensioners who have lived 30/40 years in a 4 bed family house, now alone, were being penalised and taxed because of the extra bedrooms tax.

Single mothers jumped at the chance to upgrade because the benefits system pays their rents.

She's always lived in a 4 bedroom house. She's exchanged houses at least 3 times in the last 4 years.

She only moved into her current home a few months ago, but she's already looking for another exchange because she states there are to many Pakistanis living in the area.

She gets £186.47 Housing Benefit per week, and with other benefits she isn't worried if she has to put a little extra towards the rent.

Her current rent is £192 per week.

What's £5.53 a week out of the other £650 a week she gets in various benefits and allowances.

£192.00 PW for a 4 bed house

Where's she renting ?

[loppylugs1]

Freedom of Information states most or all of Muslims in the UK are on some form of welfare. Roll on the Universal Credit IDS is spot on with this one,will put a stop to this lot

Bul l sh ite!

your explanation please LOL

Since when does Bul sh ite need an explanation!

And until you post the authenticated copy of that FOI to back up your statement, everything else you have to say on the subject remains, Bul sh ite!

Id be watching that stent LOL Cannot respond,perhaps do not want to an ace b.shiter but Baroness Flather Hindu HoL freedom of information re' muslims in UK on welfare

[AyG]

"One daughter however became involved with a group of Muslims at College and became brainwashed.

I'm not racist, but I didn't like their radical attitudes and total disrespect for others.

My daughter took some vows and became a Muslim at 19 years of age."

Don't confuse race with religion.

You have religiophobia towards muslims.

Freedom of Information states most or all of Muslims in the UK are on some form of welfare. Roll on the Universal Credit IDS is spot on with this one,will put a stop to this lot

Bul l sh ite!

It seems eminently believable to me, given that only 19.8% of Moslems in the UK are in full time employment. The source is the Muslim Council of Britain, so pretty reliable, I would think.

http://www.mcb.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2015/02/MCBCensusReport_2015.pdf

Elsewhere we learn thanks to Wikileaks that 31% of working-age Moslem men were economically inactive, as were 69% of working-age Moslem women.

Source: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wikileaks-files/london-wikileaks/8304838/UK-MUSLIM-DEMOGRAPHICS-C-RE8-02527.html

Clearly a large proportion of Moslems in the UK is being subsidised by government handouts.

[MaeJoMTB]

Clearly a large proportion of Moslems in the UK is being subsidised by government handouts.

Have a bit of sympathy,

When you have to pray 5x a day, not much time left for work.

[Liquorice]

£192.00 PW for a 4 bed house

Where's she renting ?

Was Oldham, but her new house is nearer to Ashton Under Lyne.

Edited December 31, 2015 by Faz

[chiang mai]

"One daughter however became involved with a group of Muslims at College and became brainwashed.

I'm not racist, but I didn't like their radical attitudes and total disrespect for others.

My daughter took some vows and became a Muslim at 19 years of age."

Don't confuse race with religion.

You have religiophobia towards muslims.

Freedom of Information states most or all of Muslims in the UK are on some form of welfare. Roll on the Universal Credit IDS is spot on with this one,will put a stop to this lot

Bul l sh ite!

It seems eminently believable to me, given that only 19.8% of Moslems in the UK are in full time employment. The source is the Muslim Council of Britain, so pretty reliable, I would think.

http://www.mcb.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2015/02/MCBCensusReport_2015.pdf

Elsewhere we learn thanks to Wikileaks that 31% of working-age Moslem men were economically inactive, as were 69% of working-age Moslem women.

Source: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wikileaks-files/london-wikileaks/8304838/UK-MUSLIM-DEMOGRAPHICS-C-RE8-02527.html

Clearly a large proportion of Moslems in the UK is being subsidised by government handouts.

We start with this from your link:

"Summary. Per reftel, this cable provides information on the demographics of the Muslim community in the UK. The last official UK census was in 2001 and much of what is provided below is a combination of census figures and subsequent estimates and surveys. Post notes that the information is incomplete and in many cases several years old".

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wikileaks-files/london-wikileaks/8304838/UK-MUSLIM-DEMOGRAPHICS-C-RE8-02527.html

Which also says these things:

"Unemployment rates were higher for Muslims than any other religion, for both men and women. Muslim male unemployment rate was 13% in 2004, and for women it was 18%".

"Muslims between the ages of 16 and 24 had the highest unemployment rates at 28%; 11% of Muslims over the age of 25 were unemployed".

--

"Muslims were most likely to be unavailable or not actively seeking work due to reasons such as disability, being a student, or looking after the family and home. 31% of working-age men were economically inactive, as were 69% of working-age women".

What I don't see anywhere is a comparison of those numbers against the non-Muslim population in the UK, (my suspicion is they are not that different) AND/OR any form of statement (which is what I am challenging in LL's post) stating that "most of all Muslims are on some kind of benefit", AND, in the unlikely event the foregoing is true, how that benefits profile compares against the non-Mulsim population. Unemployed Muslims over age 25 accounted for 11%, twice the UK average - 28% of 16 to 24 year olds were unemployed for the reasons stated, those don't seem to me to be unreasonable percentages or reasons.

Ditto the statements in the Muslim Council report, a comparison of Muslim vs non-Muslims employment times with regard to full vs part time contracts is a key missing component.

I kinda rankle against broad brush statements that decry an entire race or religion and currently it's in vogue to label all Muslims as the same, prove it beyond doubt and show the comparison against the remaining population and I'll believe it.

Edited December 31, 2015 by chiang mai

[Liquorice]

Despite popular belief most overseas Immigrants and Migrants aren't entitled to benefits.

In the 1940's the UK invited thousands of Africans and Asian to settle in the UK with British citizenship.

Many of these were housed in community ghettos and their children and grandchildren were born and raised in these ghettos with no incentive to speak English.

As a result many could never work outside of these ghettos and today thousands of these live on State benefits.

Regardless of their religion or ethnicity, they are British citizens, not foreigners.

Asylum seekers don't get benefits either.

Another big drain on the system are those pretending to have disabilities, or greatly exaggerate a disability in order to get higher payments.

In many cases is was far to easy to fool a Doctor into issuing Medical Certificates and Reports.

Many of these issues are now being addressed, but about 30 years to late in my opinion.

[AyG]

Ditto the statements in the Muslim Council report, a comparison of Muslim vs non-Muslims employment times with regard to full vs part time contracts is a key missing component.

It's all there on page 58.

34.9% of the general population is in full time employment; 19.8% of Moslems are. For part time employment the figures are 12.5% and 13.0% respectively.

[Ricardo]

"One daughter however became involved with a group of Muslims at College and became brainwashed.

I'm not racist, but I didn't like their radical attitudes and total disrespect for others.

My daughter took some vows and became a Muslim at 19 years of age."

Don't confuse race with religion.

You have religiophobia towards muslims.

Freedom of Information states most or all of Muslims in the UK are on some form of welfare. Roll on the Universal Credit IDS is spot on with this one,will put a stop to this lot

"Freedom of Information states most or all of Muslims in the UK are on some form of welfare"

Link please, as IMO it is extremely unlikely that all Muslims are on welfare, there are plenty of Muslim millionaires in the UK.

[chiang mai]

Ditto the statements in the Muslim Council report, a comparison of Muslim vs non-Muslims employment times with regard to full vs part time contracts is a key missing component.

It's all there on page 58.

34.9% of the general population is in full time employment; 19.8% of Moslems are. For part time employment the figures are 12.5% and 13.0% respectively.

It will take me time to read that document in detail and I don't have the time to do that now, but I WILL read it. In the meantime, from just a quick scan, it seems as though the numbers you posted are not unreasonable, the concept of the stay at home wife and take care of the family attitude is more prevalent amongst Muslims I would imagine. Perhaps a more meaningful set of numbers is the unemployed figures which show long term unemployed Muslims at 1.9% and never worked Muslims at 4.3%, given a UK jobless figure of 5.6% I would say those are not bad numbers by any means.

But as stated, I will look at the report in detail and try to make some form of meaningful comparison and report back.

[i claudius]

n my old home town ,many Muslims were fully employed ,as drug dealers ,

[loppylugs1]

Baroness Flather House of Lords member is a curse to Muslims,accused of being a bigot by more than a few Muslims. 2011 made FoI

Universal credits rolled out soon enough,that should put a stop to a lot of what they are about. Have copied the OPs opening post,am sending to interested parties,makes you bloody sick

Did go head to head with muslim MP on twitter over this,Kay Burley the Sky news presenter got involved too,fact is he could not defend his majority Muslim constituents ,got banned for questions posed

With Muslims interbreeding with first cousins etc it is a fact that sub normal offspring are being produced to a far larger number than white,so more stay at home mothers,producing more sub normal

[loppylugs1]

"One daughter however became involved with a group of Muslims at College and became brainwashed.

I'm not racist, but I didn't like their radical attitudes and total disrespect for others.

My daughter took some vows and became a Muslim at 19 years of age."

Don't confuse race with religion.

You have religiophobia towards muslims.

Freedom of Information states most or all of Muslims in the UK are on some form of welfare. Roll on the Universal Credit IDS is spot on with this one,will put a stop to this lot

"Freedom of Information states most or all of Muslims in the UK are on some form of welfare"

Link please, as IMO it is extremely unlikely that all Muslims are on welfare, there are plenty of Muslim millionaires in the UK.

Baroness Flather 2011 Ill wade through her Muslim statements to find it

Tried to bring it over, fragments. However International Business News November 26 2012 carries news All Muslims on benefit Shes quoting from whatever source

Edited December 31, 2015 by loppylugs1

[Liquorice]

It seems eminently believable to me, given that only 19.8% of Moslems in the UK are in full time employment. The source is the Muslim Council of Britain, so pretty reliable, I would think.

http://www.mcb.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2015/02/MCBCensusReport_2015.pdf

Elsewhere we learn thanks to Wikileaks that 31% of working-age Moslem men were economically inactive, as were 69% of working-age Moslem women.

Source: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wikileaks-files/london-wikileaks/8304838/UK-MUSLIM-DEMOGRAPHICS-C-RE8-02527.html

Clearly a large proportion of Moslems in the UK is being subsidised by government handouts.

We start with this from your link:

"Summary. Per reftel, this cable provides information on the demographics of the Muslim community in the UK. The last official UK census was in 2001 and much of what is provided below is a combination of census figures and subsequent estimates and surveys. Post notes that the information is incomplete and in many cases several years old".

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wikileaks-files/london-wikileaks/8304838/UK-MUSLIM-DEMOGRAPHICS-C-RE8-02527.html

Which also says these things:

"Unemployment rates were higher for Muslims than any other religion, for both men and women. Muslim male unemployment rate was 13% in 2004, and for women it was 18%".

"Muslims between the ages of 16 and 24 had the highest unemployment rates at 28%; 11% of Muslims over the age of 25 were unemployed".

--

"Muslims were most likely to be unavailable or not actively seeking work due to reasons such as disability, being a student, or looking after the family and home. 31% of working-age men were economically inactive, as were 69% of working-age women".

What I don't see anywhere is a comparison of those numbers against the non-Muslim population in the UK, (my suspicion is they are not that different) AND/OR any form of statement (which is what I am challenging in LL's post) stating that "most of all Muslims are on some kind of benefit", AND, in the unlikely event the foregoing is true, how that benefits profile compares against the non-Mulsim population. Unemployed Muslims over age 25 accounted for 11%, twice the UK average - 28% of 16 to 24 year olds were unemployed for the reasons stated, those don't seem to me to be unreasonable percentages or reasons.

Ditto the statements in the Muslim Council report, a comparison of Muslim vs non-Muslims employment times with regard to full vs part time contracts is a key missing component.

I kinda rankle against broad brush statements that decry an entire race or religion and currently it's in vogue to label all Muslims as the same, prove it beyond doubt and show the comparison against the remaining population and I'll believe it.

I worked for a Charity for 10+ years in Manchester.

The aim of the work we undertook was to ensure the independence of elderly, vulnerable and disabled people, particularly with a view to Housing and Benefits.

There was no discrimination between race, religion or ethnicity.

We had experts in Property maintenance and repairs, human rights and benefit advisors.

Whenever a new client wanted to use our free services, they first had an assessment. This was to identify if they were vulnerable, lived in suitable housing, receiving the appropriate entitlements (Pension / Benefits) and in a safe environment.

A small part of my role was to carry out these assessments then signpost any concerns to the various departments, where experts could take up the issues.

The government requested we complete a questionnaire form on their behalf, as most of the funding for the Charity indirectly came from government resources.

This questionnaire provided statistical evidence that the government use to produce certain figures.

I can confirm that that in my experience, probably less than 10% of the Muslims communities were employed that I dealt with.

Some had local businesses and shops and employed other Muslims men. Vary rarely was a woman in employment.

The main reason for this situation was because there grandparents were housed in community ghettos many years ago.

Subsequent generations were born and raised in these local communities with their own schools and the requirement to speak any other language than there own wasn't required. They were never integrated into the general society of English speakers and therefore the opportunities for employment outside of their ghettos is non existent.

The number of Chinatowns that exist in the UK is a prime example of such ghettos. Large communities of certain races.

I used to find that many of the elderly Muslims spoke English, but of their offspring's only 20% of men and 5% of women spoke English.

They usually came from the better class families where the children were educated at schools outside of the ghettos.

So yes there is a higher percentage than normal of Muslims claiming benefits, but that's not their fault.

The blame lies squarely with the government for never providing the services to integrate their families into the general population.

Muslims only stand out in employment statistics because compared to other ethnic minorities they have the largest ethnic communities in the UK.

You don't find single parent Mothers in Muslim communities draining the system.

Neither do you find elderly in Sheltered accommodation or Care Homes, because they take care and provide for them in their local community.

Edited December 31, 2015 by Faz

[bigt3116]

Until they reach an age where they can understand and make their own choices about religion, no one religion should be forced on them.

Are you claiming Christianity wasn't forced on you?

When I was in infants,

Christian services at start of school every day. Christmas services in church.

Secondary modern, Christian services at assembly every day.

Boys Brigade, Church youth club.

It was forced on me until I was sick of it.

PS

You have no legal rights to even see your grandchildren, let alone decide what they eat.

Christianity wasn't forced on me.

We had Religious studies at school but it was an optional subject, along with woodwork, metalwork, and French.

I did have Muslim, Jewish and Catholic friends who were forced to study and observe their religion though.

Radical religious beliefs cause wars and I don't want to turn this topic into a religious debate.

Lets stick to the topic and benefit fraud.

RE as a curriculum subject is compulsory up to school leaving age. It's not compulsory to do a GCSE in it, but some schools decide that as it is compulsory to study, they will get the pupils to sit a short-course GCSE in in.

Religious education is a compulsory subject throughout primary and secondary school and teachers must provide lessons even if pupils fail to take a GCSE in the subject.

This announcement reflects the initial rationale for the inclusion of religion in the English and Welsh curriculum in the 1944 Education Act. Policy makers felt that Bible-based instruction would better prepare future generations for a more peaceful world after the horrors of two world wars

A quarter of state secondary schools in England are breaking the law by not teaching religious studies to teenagers, a poll has found.

So RE was compulsory when you went to school !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[nong38]

I think benefit fraud, on the scale mentioned earlier, is something that along with immigration, whether they be refugees or asylum seekers ( well thats the cover most of them come in by ) are the 2 things which annoy the general public the most, the knock effect and the next thing that annoys the public is that the public have to fit in with the new comers rather than the other way round and we are not allowed, even though its supposed to be a free country, to say anything about this situation.

I am sure that if I went for any benefit I would be given the minimum requirement whereas "newcomers" would have the full package opened for them, perhaps I am cynical but you know I dont see why we should be made to feel bad about our past history, with what we have given to the world in the way of inventions and ways of doing things but all I hear is how we went and conquered other countries and stole all their resources. If we take away what we gave and did not go abroad for trade a lot of those destinations would still be in the dark ages, just pick a region, take away the Western influence and ask yourself what have they got and what have they ever invented or brought to the table of the world.

A bit more recognition would not go amiss, dont expect me to make any apologies for our past, we took some and gave some it works both ways, well it did until the pc brigade and the dont offend me club came out of the woodwork.

[AyG]

The main reason for this situation was because there grandparents were housed in community ghettos many years ago.

Subsequent generations were born and raised in these local communities with their own schools and the requirement to speak any other language than there own wasn't required. They were never integrated into the general society of English speakers and therefore the opportunities for employment outside of their ghettos is non existent.

(1) They were not "housed in ... ghettos". They chose to live with others of the same origins, often driving out British people from areas by their antisocial behaviour.

I used to find that many of the elderly Muslims spoke English, but of their offspring's only 20% of men and 5% of women spoke English.

(2) Every state supported school is required to teach English from age 5 to 16. I simply can't believe that there are significant numbers of non-English speaking 2nd generation immigrants.

The blame lies squarely with the government for never providing the services to integrate their families into the general population.

No, the blame lies with the Moslems who chose to live in "ghettos" amongst their own kind, who chose to be cut off from British society. Indeed, there is little that the government could do with the poorly educated, tribal peoples inculcated with a distrust of (or even outright disdain for) non-Moslems.

[GuestHouse]

To quote the words or St Ignatius of Loyola, and the Jesuit maxim - "Give me a child to the age of seven and I shall give you the man"

Whatever behaviour the OP sees in his daughter, and wishes to attribute to the company she keeps or the faith she follows, her behaviour as an adult is firmly rooted in the way he as a parent raised her as a child.

He might see a parallel between his daughter putting her hand out for welfare and not wanting to take responsibility for her own life with his own eagerness to blame others for his own failings.

It's your daughter - you had a hand in making her what she is, stop blaming people you don't know for your own failings.

[loppylugs1]

To quote the words or St Ignatius of Loyola, and the Jesuit maxim - "Give me a child to the age of seven and I shall give you the man"

Whatever behaviour the OP sees in his daughter, and wishes to attribute to the company she keeps or the faith she follows, her behaviour as an adult is firmly rooted in the way he as a parent raised her as a child.

He might see a parallel between his daughter putting her hand out for welfare and not wanting to take responsibility for her own life with his own eagerness to blame others for his own failings.

It's your daughter - you had a hand in making her what she is, stop blaming people you don't know for your own failings.

I do not agree with this statement. There are many many influences that can detract what he ,as a father intended

[GuestHouse]

The main reason for this situation was because there grandparents were housed in community ghettos many years ago.

Subsequent generations were born and raised in these local communities with their own schools and the requirement to speak any other language than there own wasn't required. They were never integrated into the general society of English speakers and therefore the opportunities for employment outside of their ghettos is non existent.

(1) They were not "housed in ... ghettos". They chose to live with others of the same origins, often driving out British people from areas by their antisocial behaviour.

I used to find that many of the elderly Muslims spoke English, but of their offspring's only 20% of men and 5% of women spoke English.

(2) Every state supported school is required to teach English from age 5 to 16. I simply can't believe that there are significant numbers of non-English speaking 2nd generation immigrants.

The blame lies squarely with the government for never providing the services to integrate their families into the general population.

No, the blame lies with the Moslems who chose to live in "ghettos" amongst their own kind, who chose to be cut off from British society. Indeed, there is little that the government could do with the poorly educated, tribal peoples inculcated with a distrust of (or even outright disdain for) non-Moslems.

Replace the 'Moslems in the UK' with 'Farang in Thailand' and you have an almost perfect explanations of Farang ghettos in Thailand.

[GuestHouse]

To quote the words or St Ignatius of Loyola, and the Jesuit maxim - "Give me a child to the age of seven and I shall give you the man"

Whatever behaviour the OP sees in his daughter, and wishes to attribute to the company she keeps or the faith she follows, her behaviour as an adult is firmly rooted in the way he as a parent raised her as a child.

He might see a parallel between his daughter putting her hand out for welfare and not wanting to take responsibility for her own life with his own eagerness to blame others for his own failings.

It's your daughter - you had a hand in making her what she is, stop blaming people you don't know for your own failings.

I do not agree with this statement. There are many many influences that can detract what he ,as a father intended

I think the Jesuits gave this more thought than you did.

[MaeJoMTB]

It's your daughter - you had a hand in making her what she is, stop blaming people you don't know for your own failings.

Be fair,

OP hasn't specified when the divorce happened.

For all we know he was divorced when she was born, and wasn't allowed to see her until she was 16, and free of the legal control of the evil former wife.

Not to mention,

My Thai 'daughter', has lived with me from age 12 to age 17.

She not only has English language, attitudes and ideas, but she is the same shape as a normal teen English girl.

Taller and bigger than Thai girls (which is a bit of a puzzler for me, her, and her real Thai relatives).

Edited December 31, 2015 by MaeJoMTB