Koh Tao debacle: Shoddy work from beginning to end

[KunMatt]

That's what the forensic experts determined.

From the verdict report you all are ignoring in favour of your old, tired out speculation:

"The wounds to the head and face of the Second Deceased were all shown to be serious wounds matching the kind of injury that would be incurred by an attack with the blade and handle of the exhibited hoe, as Police Colonel Phawat M.D. and Khunying Pornthip M.D. have testified."

If Dr. Pornthip would have found that Miller's wounds didn't also correspond to the hoe too we would have already heard about it, the conclusion from the report is that:

"The cause of death was determined as the result of head wounds caused by a blunt object.", the same exact wording for both Miller and Witheridge.

No shark teeth rings no "push knives", no bullets; that's why investigators use actual professional pathologists working on actual bodies to find things out, not self styled Internet sleuths looking at a handful of poor quality pictures desperately trying to look smarter and better informed than the professionals handling the actual evidence.

Thai forensics were faulty for too many reasons to list here. If you'd been paying attention and/or seen the photos of David after the crime, you'd know Thai forensics are either inept bumblers or inept connivers taking orders from their higher-ups. Even Pontip, the best in the bunch, missed things, mainly because she was severely restricted in what she was allowed to look at and also because it had been 11 months since the crime. Oh, almost forgot, and things were lost, used-up, or missing thanks to RTP,

And we're still waiting to hear British forensics on David. Not a peep thus far. Here are 3 probable reasons why Brits aren't doing their jobs:

>>> they won't submit evidence in a death penalty case, yet by withholding, they're increasing the chance of executions.

>>> they don't want to embarrass already red-faced Thai officialdom - if they publish findings which (almost certainly will) oppose Thai findings.

>>> they're lazy, similar to the Brit 'experts' who showed up for 4 hours over two days in their non-investigation, and then unwittingly reported false findings to the victims' families.

Just how of the males in the world or on the island for that matter had the victims phone hidden behind his house hmmmm. Only one.

Petty theft at most. Happens thousands of times in Thailand every day. If Wei stole a phone found on a beach, he shouldn't be executed. And what of his friend Zaw - if he didn't find a phone on a beach, should he also be executed?

I disagree. I think is significant that Wei had an item belonging to the victim.

It also is significant the time that he stole /found the phone.

It shows he went back to the crime, by his own admission.

All of these anomalies by themselves mean nothing.

But when it is all together, it reaches the realm of coincidental impossibility. I wish people would stop cherry picking.

So do you believe that the B2 committed the murders and did it alone?

[KunMatt]

<snip>

If Thai authorities wanted to solve this crime (which they obviously don't), they would have appointed Dr. Pontip or someone similarly adept, to head forensics. They didn't, and that's a big reason why the investigation is in the dumps, <snip2>

Maybe the simplest way to solve this crime is not forensics, or DNA, or photo-mass spectrometer analysis but to get the 2 now convicted of this crime to talk more than they have talked if they have anything to talk about -- that always brings up the issue of their continued safety but, if they really had the goods to implicate the 'real killers', their continued safety would already be at issue.

Please tell me what you would do in their shoes if you were a witness/thief to the murders in a foreign country which has just beaten a confession out of you and the whole country, including the prime minister, is set on taking you down no matter what evidence they are missing. Do you really think that you would be in a situation where you could say in court "yes, I saw what happened and I stole items I found at the crime scene, but really that is as much as I was involved, it was actually some extremely wealthy, powerful and well connected Thai people that did it".

Do you honestly believe they would receive a fair trial after that considering that the RTP were intent on protecting the very people that you had to accuse?

[JLCrab]

I said what I think.

[greenchair]

Come on Kun Han, now you want us to believe, they stumbled onto a murder in action, stole a phone and now they are too scared to tell us "the real killers ".

The mind boggles.

[greenchair]

Sorry, Kun matt.

No, I don't believe David was killed by the hoe.

I Don't believe they acted alone.

I think Sean and Muang Muang were there.

[KunMatt]

Sorry, Kun matt.

No, I don't believe David was killed by the hoe.

I Don't believe they acted alone.

I think Sean and Muang Muang were there.

Thanks for (finally!) answering.

[boomerangutang]

<snip>

If Thai authorities wanted to solve this crime (which they obviously don't), they would have appointed Dr. Pontip or someone similarly adept, to head forensics. They didn't, and that's a big reason why the investigation is in the dumps, <snip2>

Maybe the simplest way to solve this crime is not forensics, or DNA, or photo-mass spectrometer analysis but to get the 2 now convicted of this crime to talk more than they have talked if they have anything to talk about -- that always brings up the issue of their continued safety but, if they really had the goods to implicate the 'real killers', their continued safety would already be at issue.

I agree somewhat. It would be great if the B2 talked about all they know, ...even some speculation (we're all speculating, even the cops, the justices, etc). Yet I think if the B2 spoke up, it would quickly become a black and white scenario, as far as Thai officialdom's perpective. Everything they want to believe (the two went swimming, Wei finding a phone in the sand, etc) they would believe. Everything they don't want to believe (B2 saying they didn't do the crime) would be quickly called 'LIES.' And as sure as ducks have bills, Thai authorities don't want to hear anything at all which might implicate the people they're required to shield. You know who I'm referring to.

Even defense attorneys don't want to open that can of worms. Their whole focus is on trying to get the B2 free. Defense mentioning or showing evidence which implicates the untouchables doesn't further their case. It would only make Thai authorities defensive, angry and possibly vindictive. All indications, since Somyot put himself in charge, are; "Don't mention anyone as suspects other than the B2." He had hoped it could have been the B3 (with MM), but somehow MM was smart enough to wiggle out of the trap.

Edited January 20, 2016 by boomerangutang

[JLCrab]

Other than that convoluted explanation, there could be another simpler reason why they haven't spoken about anyone else's involvement in the case.

[KunMatt]

Other than that convoluted explanation, there could be another simpler reason why they haven't spoken about anyone else's involvement in the case.

You mean the explanation that the B2 murdered 2 people in the dead of night on their own and then all the locals on the Island quickly helped them try to cover it up. You are buying that are you?

[JLCrab]

Other than that convoluted explanation, there could be another simpler reason why they haven't spoken about anyone else's involvement in the case.

You mean the explanation that the B2 murdered 2 people in the dead of night on their own and then all the locals on the Island quickly helped them try to cover it up. You are buying that are you?

I'm not buying anything including the notion that they and their attorneys are sitting on information that, if it would not exculpate themselves, would point to others involved but that they are sitting on that information at this late date out of personal concerns for their safety.

Edited January 20, 2016 by JLCrab

[KunMatt]

Other than that convoluted explanation, there could be another simpler reason why they haven't spoken about anyone else's involvement in the case.

You mean the explanation that the B2 murdered 2 people in the dead of night on their own and then all the locals on the Island quickly helped them try to cover it up. You are buying that are you?

I'm not buying anything.

Way to dodge the question.

So do you believe that the B2 murdered 2 people in the dead of night on their own and then all the locals on the Island quickly helped them try to cover it up?

[JLCrab]

Other than that convoluted explanation, there could be another simpler reason why they haven't spoken about anyone else's involvement in the case.

You mean the explanation that the B2 murdered 2 people in the dead of night on their own and then all the locals on the Island quickly helped them try to cover it up. You are buying that are you?

I'm not buying anything.

Way to dodge the question.

So do you believe that the B2 murdered 2 people in the dead of night on their own and then all the locals on the Island quickly helped them try to cover it up?

answered above.

[greenchair]

I believe it is possible to go something like this.

A group were playing the guitar, hannah was walking back alone. The group grabbed her raped her and possibly beat her unconscious. David stumbled onto it a fight broke out and david was beaten and stabbed someone picked up the hoe and smashed hannah. Everybody ran. The b2 stopped to swim and cleanse themselves. Went back to room.

The next morning Muang woke b2 and they went back to get belongings. But there were people about so Could not get shoe and guitar. The investigation changed after the friend confessed about phone. Nobody covered up. The rest is history

[greenchair]

Without the phone, they probably would never have been a suspect.

[KunMatt]

I believe it is possible to go something like this.

A group were playing the guitar, hannah was walking back alone. The group grabbed her raped her and possibly beat her unconscious. David stumbled onto it a fight broke out and david was beaten and stabbed someone picked up the hoe and smashed hannah. Everybody ran. The b2 stopped to swim and cleanse themselves. Went back to room.

The next morning Muang woke b2 and they went back to get belongings. But there were people about so Could not get shoe and guitar. The investigation changed after the friend confessed about phone. Nobody covered up. The rest is history

So why do you think that all the Koh Tao locals covered it up for the B2?

I don't see any reason why Mon especially went to such great lengths to help them out. It would not be in his best interests to help out 2 foreigners get away with murdering 2 of his customers.

[iReason]

Channel 3 interview with Banana Pancake man, who says:

“The first weapon was a large bottle of wine which was used by Win on David Miller. Then Win used a hoe to finish the job.”

“On the day of the crime re-enactment, the translator said he was told by police to talk to the Zaw Rin, Win and Maung – about anything, the police said.”

“The translator said no police were present during the meeting.”

Wine bottle?

What happened to this crucial, key evidence?

[greenchair]

I believe it is possible to go something like this.

A group were playing the guitar, hannah was walking back alone. The group grabbed her raped her and possibly beat her unconscious. David stumbled onto it a fight broke out and david was beaten and stabbed someone picked up the hoe and smashed hannah. Everybody ran. The b2 stopped to swim and cleanse themselves. Went back to room.

The next morning Muang woke b2 and they went back to get belongings. But there were people about so Could not get shoe and guitar. The investigation changed after the friend confessed about phone. Nobody covered up. The rest is history

So why do you think that all the Koh Tao locals covered it up for the B2?

I don't see any reason why Mon especially went to such great lengths to help them out. It would not be in his best interests to help out 2 foreigners get away with murdering 2 of his customers.

Nobody covered it up silly.

No one had any idea who did it, until the friend came forward with the phone. Then piece by piece it fell into place. Who was where, doing what on that night. It changed the whole investigation. Unfortunately the police did not investigate further to catch the third dna secreta. I am sad about that.

[KunMatt]

I believe it is possible to go something like this.

A group were playing the guitar, hannah was walking back alone. The group grabbed her raped her and possibly beat her unconscious. David stumbled onto it a fight broke out and david was beaten and stabbed someone picked up the hoe and smashed hannah. Everybody ran. The b2 stopped to swim and cleanse themselves. Went back to room.

The next morning Muang woke b2 and they went back to get belongings. But there were people about so Could not get shoe and guitar. The investigation changed after the friend confessed about phone. Nobody covered up. The rest is history

So why do you think that all the Koh Tao locals covered it up for the B2?

I don't see any reason why Mon especially went to such great lengths to help them out. It would not be in his best interests to help out 2 foreigners get away with murdering 2 of his customers.

Nobody covered it up silly.

No one had any idea who did it, until the friend came forward with the phone. Then piece by piece it fell into place. Who was where, doing what on that night. It changed the whole investigation. Unfortunately the police did not investigate further to catch the third dna secreta. I am sad about that.

I knew you were trolling before but now you are being so obvious it's not even worth trying to discuss anything with you.

[boomerangutang]

I believe it is possible to go something like this.

A group were playing the guitar, hannah was walking back alone. The group grabbed her raped her and possibly beat her unconscious. David stumbled onto it a fight broke out and david was beaten and stabbed someone picked up the hoe and smashed hannah. Everybody ran. The b2 stopped to swim and cleanse themselves. Went back to room.

The next morning Muang woke b2 and they went back to get belongings. But there were people about so Could not get shoe and guitar. The investigation changed after the friend confessed about phone. Nobody covered up. The rest is history

I don't see the scenario that way, though we do agree that H and D were split up for awhile, and that he showed up later to try and save her. I think H hung for a bit at the beach guitar session, then was taken/coerced to go to the rocks nearby by guys from the bar. I'm sure if you ask any of the regular date-raping Thais who hang out every night at the bars, you'll find the rocks are a favorite place to take chicks to make out. I've been to beach resorts (I've played in many bar bands) and each place has at least one semi-secluded spot to take chicks who are sauced enough to comply with some hanky panky requests. In recent years, date-rape drugs have become common. It's obvious why date-rape drugs were not mentioned by any insiders, not Mon, not local cops, not Bkk cops. The reason: it might implicate all those guys as either using them or knowing about them and looking the other way.

Similarly, there's been zero mention of the weaponized shark-tooth rings that several of Mon's friends used to wear all the time. It would have done Mon and his buddies (cops and non-cops) no good to open that Pandora's box (drugs and weaponized rings). You may recall: cops released zero data on what was in H's or D's bloodstream. Their reason: It might upset the parents. What a load of croc-shit. The victims' parents were already bereaved - how would that (mentioning drugs) exacerbate thier grieving? Clinically checking blood is one of the most basic tenets of any crime investigation. It's yet another of a long list of investigative procedures which RTP didn't do. ....or else they did, and didn't like the results of their findings because it implicated people they're required to shield from scrutiny.

Without the phone, they probably would never have been a suspect.

What about the semen? Personally, I'm doubting whether there was any outside DNA in/on Hannah or, if there was, it wasn't the B2's. Reason? Because RTP have done everything possible to screw-up the DNA trail including losing things and completely botching the paperwork. Ms Taupin (DNA expert from Australia) said it was on one page, with things crossed out and scribbled in. It's clear why RTP didn't want her taking the stand, though with the judges' minds already made up (maybe months prior to the trial starting), no amount of expert testimony would have brought the trial to a reasonable or fair conclusion.

So why do you think that all the Koh Tao locals covered it up for the B2?

I don't see any reason why Mon especially went to such great lengths to help them out. It would not be in his best interests to help out 2 foreigners get away with murdering 2 of his customers.v

Mon is only looking out for Mon, his nephew and their buddies. No one else matters for him.

[Khun Han]

The hoe was reported to have only Hannah's blood and none of David's by RTP's finest. That was the gospel for 11 months, until Ms Pontip found additional DNA. What are RTP's excuses for not finding what Pontip found? Also, how can RTP continue to say the hoe was the murder weapon used on David, when D's blood was not found on it? Perhaps even more indicative of RTP's screwed up forensics: How did they not notice the stab wounds on David's neck and torso? In the RTP report, the only mention of injuries to David was the blunt force trauma on the top of his head. Brit forensics is also remiss for publishing no forensics on David. What official, in Thailand or Britain, is doing a proper job re; the case? Maybe Pontip, though there were holes in what she testified - many things went unmentioned.

And still, no one has even a half baked explanation why some of Hannah's clothing went missing between the time they were gathered at the crime scene, and the trial. Same for the hair. Head cop Somyot, who put himself in charge of the investigation, said emphatically at a press conference in mid-July that "nothing was missing." Is he lying a little of lying big time? Probably the more important question is; 'why is he lying?'. Most of us know why, though it's hard to get statistics when Thai top brass are doing all they can to cover things up. We do know that Somyot was able, with his wife, to plop down a cool $12 million (to buy stocks) a few weeks after he put himself in charge of the investigation. Mr. "clean up corruption" self-appointed MP sees nothing wrong with that, apparently. If he did, he would have spoken up by now, as he's not shy about speaking his mind.

"Mr. "clean up corruption" self-appointed MP sees nothing wrong with that, apparently. If he did, he would have spoken up by now, as he's not shy about speaking his mind."

The Tuvichiens are 'good people'. They helped overthrow those selfish Shins, who were keeping too many 'good people' away from the trough. They are a minor faction of one of the favoured cliques. They are to be looked after in times of trouble (for a fee, of course).

Good family friends with a certain ex deputy prime minister and protest leader too right?

Correct. They are a minor faction in his clique. Didn't he present an award, in his monk's garb, to one of the senior inverstigating officers in this case?

[mrrizzla]

The hoe was reported to have only Hannah's blood and none of David's by RTP's finest. That was the gospel for 11 months, until Ms Pontip found additional DNA. What are RTP's excuses for not finding what Pontip found? Also, how can RTP continue to say the hoe was the murder weapon used on David, when D's blood was not found on it? Perhaps even more indicative of RTP's screwed up forensics: How did they not notice the stab wounds on David's neck and torso? In the RTP report, the only mention of injuries to David was the blunt force trauma on the top of his head. Brit forensics is also remiss for publishing no forensics on David. What official, in Thailand or Britain, is doing a proper job re; the case? Maybe Pontip, though there were holes in what she testified - many things went unmentioned.

And still, no one has even a half baked explanation why some of Hannah's clothing went missing between the time they were gathered at the crime scene, and the trial. Same for the hair. Head cop Somyot, who put himself in charge of the investigation, said emphatically at a press conference in mid-July that "nothing was missing." Is he lying a little of lying big time? Probably the more important question is; 'why is he lying?'. Most of us know why, though it's hard to get statistics when Thai top brass are doing all they can to cover things up. We do know that Somyot was able, with his wife, to plop down a cool $12 million (to buy stocks) a few weeks after he put himself in charge of the investigation. Mr. "clean up corruption" self-appointed MP sees nothing wrong with that, apparently. If he did, he would have spoken up by now, as he's not shy about speaking his mind.

"Mr. "clean up corruption" self-appointed MP sees nothing wrong with that, apparently. If he did, he would have spoken up by now, as he's not shy about speaking his mind."

The Tuvichiens are 'good people'. They helped overthrow those selfish Shins, who were keeping too many 'good people' away from the trough. They are a minor faction of one of the favoured cliques. They are to be looked after in times of trouble (for a fee, of course).

Good family friends with a certain ex deputy prime minister and protest leader too right?

Correct. They are a minor faction in his clique. Didn't he present an award, in his monk's garb, to one of the senior inverstigating officers in this case?

Also at a Tuvichien family wedding. There were pics posted on here before. I can't find them now but they will be on some Thai sites somewhere.

That man was certainly owed a lot of favours after May of 2014 too....

[Khun Han]

You obviously didn't follow through on your idea to ask Partington (or follow and read the link provided by jayjay78 on this page), otherwise you wouldn't have posted the above nonsensical analogy. Here is what Partington says in the linked post:

"A Y-chromosome match of 25%, which is being discussed here, means that only one quarter of the markers were the same. This means nothing at all about identification, as the witness said. No markers were readable that excluded the suspect, and a match of one quarter of the markers with the suspect gives no indication at all about whether it is his DNA, because this same match could have been obtained from any random man off the street."

So, apart from the fact that the dna "match" of some mythical DNA recovered from Hannah's body being made after the B2 were arrested, and apart from the fact that the 25% DNA match on the garden hoe was only found by Pornthip's lab during the trial, which makes a nonsense of your 'partial car number plate leading to the door of the B2' analogy, the 25% mach could be to any male on the island, or any male in the world for that matter. That narrows the suspect list down a bit, doesn't it?

And you're getting your CCTV videos mixed up. It was Warot Tuvichien who was caught on video running around half-naked at around the time of the crime. The B3 were caught fully-clothed on a motorsi several hours before the crime.

Just how of the males in the world or on the island for that matter had the victims phone hidden behind his house hmmmm.

Only one.

How many people claimed to be the man in the 'running man' CCTV video. hmmmm.

Only one.

How many civilians were photographed entering and walking around the cordoned-off crime scene. hmmmm

Only one.

How many people refused to hand over CCTV video from AC Bar to the police, claiming it was private property. hmmmm

Only one.

How many people claimed that Warot Tuvichien had returned to Bangkok to attend to his studies, then changed his story to Warot had not been on the island for months (despite photos on Facebook showing him on the island recently). hmmmm

Only one.

How many people failed to come forward in any reasonable timeframe after being named a suspect with evidence linking them to the murders, and this being plastered all over the news. hmmmm

Only one.

I could go on and on and on and on citing suspicious behaviour by the Tuvichiens and their clan linking them to the murder. But you don't want to hear it because it's part of your job to ignore it (the other part being to focus as much discussion, however absurd, on the B3 as possible).

By all means , go on all you like. All of the above may or may not be true. There is no direct link at all to the murders in any of above. Try taking that to an English court lol wouldn't even get up the steps.

As compared to the 2nd defendant testimony. We were right next to the crime scene at the time of the crime. around the same time or a bit later, we decided to go for a swim in early hours even though it was raining. Mysteriously our clothes were all stolen. Then at 5am we went back to the same area to retrieve our belongings that we thought were stolen.

We didn't find our stuff, but I did manage to find the victims phone, which I promptly gave to my friends to get rid of so I wouldn't be accused of the murder I had just heard about. Even though my cigarette butts were found right next to the body and my dna was on that butt and deep inside both cavity of the victim and also a possible match was found on the murder weapon by my own lawyers investigation. Well, it couldn't have been us, because we're so cute.

Try taking that to an English court. Go to jail. Go directly to jail. Do not pass go.

You are soooooo wrong greenchair. It would all have ended up in an English court trial because the English police woud have investigated it all as leads, instead of being a willing party to covering up/ignoring those leads and evidence.

Can you imagine the English police just forgetting that Mon claimed to be thr running man?

Can you imagine the English police allowing Mon to enter and wander around the crime scene, tampering with evidence?

Can you imagine the English police not siezing CCTV evidence because it's owner claimed it as private property?

Can you imagine the English police just accepting Voraphan Tuvichien changing his story about his son's wherabouts?

Can you imagine the English police allowing Warot Tuvichien to lie low, and surface at his own leisure?

And the English police wouldn't have even attempted to present non-existent DNA evidence to an English court. And an English court wouldn't have convicted on the possession of a victim's phone.

But, as someone else has pointed out, you are just openly trolling now.

[Khun Han]

Other than that convoluted explanation, there could be another simpler reason why they haven't spoken about anyone else's involvement in the case.

You mean the explanation that the B2 murdered 2 people in the dead of night on their own and then all the locals on the Island quickly helped them try to cover it up. You are buying that are you?

I'm not buying anything.

Way to dodge the question.

So do you believe that the B2 murdered 2 people in the dead of night on their own and then all the locals on the Island quickly helped them try to cover it up?

From reading his posts, he buys anything even vaguely circumstantial that implicates the B2 though.

Edited January 20, 2016 by Khun Han

[Khun Han]

I believe it is possible to go something like this.

A group were playing the guitar, hannah was walking back alone. The group grabbed her raped her and possibly beat her unconscious. David stumbled onto it a fight broke out and david was beaten and stabbed someone picked up the hoe and smashed hannah. Everybody ran. The b2 stopped to swim and cleanse themselves. Went back to room.

The next morning Muang woke b2 and they went back to get belongings. But there were people about so Could not get shoe and guitar. The investigation changed after the friend confessed about phone. Nobody covered up. The rest is history

So why do you think that all the Koh Tao locals covered it up for the B2?

I don't see any reason why Mon especially went to such great lengths to help them out. It would not be in his best interests to help out 2 foreigners get away with murdering 2 of his customers.

You're mentioning a Tuvichien Matt. greenchair and the team don't want the Tuvichiens brought into this.

[KunMatt]

I believe it is possible to go something like this.

A group were playing the guitar, hannah was walking back alone. The group grabbed her raped her and possibly beat her unconscious. David stumbled onto it a fight broke out and david was beaten and stabbed someone picked up the hoe and smashed hannah. Everybody ran. The b2 stopped to swim and cleanse themselves. Went back to room.

The next morning Muang woke b2 and they went back to get belongings. But there were people about so Could not get shoe and guitar. The investigation changed after the friend confessed about phone. Nobody covered up. The rest is history

So why do you think that all the Koh Tao locals covered it up for the B2?

I don't see any reason why Mon especially went to such great lengths to help them out. It would not be in his best interests to help out 2 foreigners get away with murdering 2 of his customers.

You're mentioning a Tuvichien Matt. greenchair and the team don't want the Tuvichiens brought into this.

I know that's the whole reason that these guys (but probably singular) spend all day on here lying about everything to try and push their version if events to the board. It's beyond pathetic if you think about what is really happening.

[bannork]

So the roti seller has been in Thailand 18 years and is a police volunteer, not a fly by night as has been suggested, But as the presenter asks at the beginning of the programme ,' Did he distort the words of the defendants?' I read he was a Rohingya and they certainly probably feel some hatred towards the Rakhine but the presenter says he comes from Rangoon

In the interview he says both confessed to him at the police enactment- Win killed David with a hoe after attacking him with a wine bottle and Saw killed Hannah with the same weapon before both raped her. Maow wasn't there.

Did the defence cross-examine him?

[somo]

I believe it is possible to go something like this.

A group were playing the guitar, hannah was walking back alone. The group grabbed her raped her and possibly beat her unconscious. David stumbled onto it a fight broke out and david was beaten and stabbed someone picked up the hoe and smashed hannah. Everybody ran. The b2 stopped to swim and cleanse themselves. Went back to room.

The next morning Muang woke b2 and they went back to get belongings. But there were people about so Could not get shoe and guitar. The investigation changed after the friend confessed about phone. Nobody covered up. The rest is history

Are you psychic or do you just have a vivid imagination.

I ask this because there is not a shred of hard evidence to support your theory and that is all it is.

There is no DNA evidence - it was all lost

There are no witnesses to the crime yet you claim to know what happened- impossible!!

All we are left with is speculation which is not enough to convict let alone execute the defendants.

You repeatedly refuse to answer as to why you keep trying to mislead readers here that there is any DNA evidence implicating the B2. There is none so I ask once again why do you insist there is?

Edited January 20, 2016 by somo

[iReason]

"One of the translators, Ko Ye, admitted to the Samui Central Court yesterday that he could not read or write Thai and barely understood the Rakhine dialect."

"Under questioning from the defense, he said that he signed a statement confirming what happened in the interrogation even though he didn’t know what it said in Thai,

and he wasn’t asked to sign it until a month afterward."

http://www.mmtimes.com/index.php/national-news/16101-thai-police-used-roti-vendors-as-translators.html

Edited January 20, 2016 by iReason

[iReason]

"In response to the defense team’s repeated calls for access to forensic evidence that the prosecution said links Zaw Lin and Wai Phyo to the rape and murder,

police revealed in court that swabs taken from semen found in Witheridge’s body are no longer available because they were “used up” in the original testing, which was conducted privately.”

"Only two people were present for the entire process: a police officer and a police doctor. There were no photographs of the process, either.”

“When we mentioned this in the court, they quipped that we have been watching too much CSI."

http://www.khaosodenglish.com/detail.php?newsid=1436774626

[taony]

Feeding trolls is a bad habit.