rooster59 Posted January 9, 2016 Share Posted January 9, 2016 16 injured, mostly kids, in Bangkok shopping mall accidentNATTASUDA ANUSONADISAI, Associated PressBANGKOK (AP) — Sixteen people were injured, most of them children, at one of Bangkok's upscale shopping malls Saturday when a tent at an outdoor event came crashing down on them, officials said.The accident at Siam Paragon shopping mall appeared to have been caused by strong winds that caused the tent to collapse, said Lt. Gen. Sanit Mahathaworn, Bangkok's acting police chief."Strong wind caused the tent to fly up, about one meter. Then wooden signs attached to the back of the tent flew off and injured nearby people," he said.Among the injured were at least 12 children, aged 6 to 9, who were among dozens of people at an event called "Pokemon Day Dance Party" to celebrate Thailand's Children's Day, Sanit and other officials said."A mother and her child suffered broken legs. The mother was trying to protect her child from getting hurt," Sanit said. The injured were taken to a nearby hospital.Siam Paragon issued a statement saying it "would like to regretfully apologize for the accident which injured a total of 16 people" on behalf of the event's organizers, which included other Thai companies. It said organizers sent all the injured to hospitals and by Saturday evening only two remained hospitalized.Sanit said that police would press criminal negligence charges against the owners of the company that installed the tent. They could face up to three years in prison and a 6,000 baht ($165) fine. -- (c) Associated Press 2016-01-09 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inyourendo Posted January 9, 2016 Share Posted January 9, 2016 I'll opt for the fine thanks your honor Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ks45672 Posted January 9, 2016 Share Posted January 9, 2016 Good old Thai safety... As usual.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thian Posted January 9, 2016 Share Posted January 9, 2016 6000 baht fine? Tell that to mother and kid who broke their legs. They should pay her much money to clear their name, Siam Paragon is responsible for this. Why don't they mention how much they pay all the victims? When they make profit they always love to brag about how many millions/billions. Yes wind can happen but here in our moobaan when we have tents they secure them with huge watertanks filled as contraweight. But i;m still waiting untill the first thai kid gets electrocuted by all the open naked wires with have everywhere in the common parks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nottocus Posted January 9, 2016 Share Posted January 9, 2016 (edited) Isn't there like an incident every children's day? I'll lay a bet that the owners won't see a day in prison. Edited January 9, 2016 by nottocus Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Basil B Posted January 9, 2016 Share Posted January 9, 2016 (edited) 6000 baht fine? Tell that to mother and kid who broke their legs. They should pay her much money to clear their name, Siam Paragon is responsible for this. Why don't they mention how much they pay all the victims? When they make profit they always love to brag about how many millions/billions. Yes wind can happen but here in our moobaan when we have tents they secure them with huge watertanks filled as contraweight. But i;m still waiting untill the first thai kid gets electrocuted by all the open naked wires with have everywhere in the common parks. Totally agree the people who organised the event should be also accountable for at least proving they took reasonable steps to check the competence of contractors. "Duty of Care" Edited January 9, 2016 by Basil B Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prbkk Posted January 9, 2016 Share Posted January 9, 2016 I'll opt for the fine thanks your honor Yes, as we all know it's very hard , borderline impossible, to hold anyone accountable in these matters. The Santika case took...10 years?... The only motive of these people is profit. They play the game of pretending to be good social citizens but at the end of the day serve mammon and their true focus is self-enrichment. While it could have been worse, more by good luck no one died, but a six year old with broken legs and no doubt traumatised is pretty bad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
siam2007 Posted January 9, 2016 Share Posted January 9, 2016 (edited) 165 $ = 16 injured people = 10.3125 $ per injured person well yeah, that confirms the value a life in Thailand has. Is anybody surprised ? Edited January 9, 2016 by siam2007 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrrizzla Posted January 9, 2016 Share Posted January 9, 2016 6000 baht to the head honcho in all of is probably a drop in their very vast ocean. I hope the victims take them to court. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pattaya28 Posted January 9, 2016 Share Posted January 9, 2016 Fines should be proportional to what a culture, on average, earn, let alone being some kind of deterrent. What equation does a 6,000 Baht fit into ? Up to 3 years imprisonment means little. 1 day fits into that custodial penalty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NCC1701A Posted January 9, 2016 Share Posted January 9, 2016 the wind is responsible. "hello lady with crushed legs, here is $175. could you get up now? we need to clear this area... we have another event starting soon." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaxLee Posted January 9, 2016 Share Posted January 9, 2016 The accident at Siam Paragon shopping mall appeared to have been caused by strong winds that caused the tent to collapse, said Lt. Gen. Sanit Mahathaworn, Bangkok's acting police chief."Strong wind caused the tent to fly up, about one meter. Then wooden signs attached to the back of the tent flew off and injured nearby people," he said. The nasty nasty winds have caused all that trouble. The nasty nasty winds have no face to lose...... But every half educated fool with half a brain knows what happens if you buy "construction materials made from China" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
englishoak Posted January 9, 2016 Share Posted January 9, 2016 (edited) Could be worse,its only 500bht fine for fighting,many consider that a bargain, its even joked about on TV, until someone get an eye gouged out or something, then its not so funny for 5 mins, Edited January 9, 2016 by englishoak Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaywalker Posted January 9, 2016 Share Posted January 9, 2016 The accident at Siam Paragon shopping mall appeared to have been caused by strong winds that caused the tent to collapse, said Lt. Gen. Sanit Mahathaworn, Bangkok's acting police chief."Strong wind caused the tent to fly up, about one meter. Then wooden signs attached to the back of the tent flew off and injured nearby people," he said. The nasty nasty winds have caused all that trouble. The nasty nasty winds have no face to lose...... But every half educated fool with half a brain knows what happens if you buy "construction materials made from China" Quality is more expensive than 6,000 baht though. Not much thought is given to humanity. LOTS and LOTS of thought is given to expenses vs profit. I wonder what the average Thai 'defamation/libel/loss of face award' is to the accusers? I'd wager it's more than 6,000 baht = loss of face is more important than human lives/injuries if you think about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waldroj Posted January 9, 2016 Share Posted January 9, 2016 One day, just maybe, Thailand will get smart public liability lawyers (just like their deformation lawyers). That may help to tip the balance in "educating" Thais about their duty of care, AND of their rights (when affected by someone else's negligence). Then, "mai bpen rai" will no longer be accepted as an excuse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aRobotnamedWAR Posted January 9, 2016 Share Posted January 9, 2016 what they dont want you to do is set up a lawsuit. which can easily be done...... BUT.... IF the injuredY ACCEPT ANY MONEY... BEFORE THEN it becomes impossile to sue. THATS WHY THIALAND LIKES IT WHEN YOU ACCEPT DEATH MONEY OF LOVED ONES.... then you cant sue for 100x the ammount later. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phycokiller Posted January 9, 2016 Share Posted January 9, 2016 (edited) no big deal. this is Thailand. the idea of someone checking to see if the tent was safe before being used is not even an idea in Thailand, let alone something that actually ever happens. now the shopping mall will blame the tent company who will blame a random employee who if he has half a brain has done a runner Edited January 9, 2016 by phycokiller Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
patekatek Posted January 10, 2016 Share Posted January 10, 2016 I think the following quote from the news article accurately sums up the true concerns of Paragon and, or, the tent supplier: "Siam Paragon issued a statement saying it "would like to regretfully apologize........". My understanding of the English language would have me interpret this as Paragon regretting they are apologizing. I suppose it's possible that their original statement in Thai is very different than the printed interpretation to English. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pib Posted January 10, 2016 Share Posted January 10, 2016 Life and injury in Thailand is cheap...the country's laws reflect such. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steven100 Posted January 10, 2016 Share Posted January 10, 2016 those pesky winds are making trouble again ... !! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wilsonandson Posted January 10, 2016 Share Posted January 10, 2016 Found some pics of the incident. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wilsonandson Posted January 10, 2016 Share Posted January 10, 2016 A news report on the incident from TNN24. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lupatria Posted January 10, 2016 Share Posted January 10, 2016 Let's get back to the well known Thai policy: If person A would not have been around location B nobody would've been hurt... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RajendarMangalagiri Posted January 10, 2016 Share Posted January 10, 2016 I'll opt for the fine thanks your honor Sorry Inyourendo, The penalty is "They could face up to three years in prison and a 6,000 baht ($165) fine." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
farcanell Posted January 10, 2016 Share Posted January 10, 2016 what they dont want you to do is set up a lawsuit. which can easily be done...... BUT.... IF the injuredY ACCEPT ANY MONEY... BEFORE THEN it becomes impossile to sue. THATS WHY THIALAND LIKES IT WHEN YOU ACCEPT DEATH MONEY OF LOVED ONES.... then you cant sue for 100x the ammount later. /{quote]Really?Do you know if this is a Thai thing, or is it a widespread practice in other countries? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaxLee Posted January 10, 2016 Share Posted January 10, 2016 The accident at Siam Paragon shopping mall appeared to have been caused by strong winds that caused the tent to collapse, said Lt. Gen. Sanit Mahathaworn, Bangkok's acting police chief."Strong wind caused the tent to fly up, about one meter. Then wooden signs attached to the back of the tent flew off and injured nearby people," he said. The nasty nasty winds have caused all that trouble. The nasty nasty winds have no face to lose...... But every half educated fool with half a brain knows what happens if you buy "construction materials made from China" Quality is more expensive than 6,000 baht though. Not much thought is given to humanity. LOTS and LOTS of thought is given to expenses vs profit. I wonder what the average Thai 'defamation/libel/loss of face award' is to the accusers? I'd wager it's more than 6,000 baht = loss of face is more important than human lives/injuries if you think about it. Yep, FACE-Safety, the only type of Safety that will ever bail big influential companies in Thailand out Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
samjaidee Posted January 10, 2016 Share Posted January 10, 2016 6000 baht fine? Tell that to mother and kid who broke their legs. They should pay her much money to clear their name, Siam Paragon is responsible for this. Why don't they mention how much they pay all the victims? When they make profit they always love to brag about how many millions/billions. Yes wind can happen but here in our moobaan when we have tents they secure them with huge watertanks filled as contraweight. But i;m still waiting untill the first thai kid gets electrocuted by all the open naked wires with have everywhere in the common parks. Nowhere does it say they will not pay compensation to the victims of this accident. This an article by a journalist. It's up to the journalist to ask the right people the right questions. There's only one person to blame for bad reporting. No, it's not the event or people that the report is about. It's the... wait for it... reporter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ebonykap Posted January 10, 2016 Share Posted January 10, 2016 Sorry, I really don't get it. Accidents like this happen world wide, and yes I know to you "but this is Thailand" crowd. Possibly shoddy construction in this case, but just as possible an extremely strong gust of wind. The number of posters here with ongoing vitriol towards anything Thai is convincing me to join the "if you don't like it here, go home" brigade. This is Thailand and things are different here. Get it? Wishing all the injured a speedy recovery. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaiyen Posted January 10, 2016 Share Posted January 10, 2016 For Christs sake ! Thats a bit more than a TENT ! Never seen one of those on a campsite ! Its more like an aircraft hangar or a cover over a car yard, not a tent ! Lucky more people werent hurt. Oh and by the way its not an accident, now it is called an incident, as there is an obvious cause i.e. lack of care, safety and construction tecquique. And common sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thian Posted January 10, 2016 Share Posted January 10, 2016 Sorry, I really don't get it. Accidents like this happen world wide, and yes I know to you "but this is Thailand" crowd. Possibly shoddy construction in this case, but just as possible an extremely strong gust of wind. The number of posters here with ongoing vitriol towards anything Thai is convincing me to join the "if you don't like it here, go home" brigade. This is Thailand and things are different here. Get it? Wishing all the injured a speedy recovery. I agree but in Thailand so many things are dangerous and never change that it's really asking for accidents to happen. Malls like Paragon are just responsible for anything happening in their place, just like on the rest of the world. It's a weak excuse to blame the tentcompany who will probably blame the Myanmar workers for it. That's the whole issue in Thailand, nobody is ever responsible. Why don't they have an insurance for cases like this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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