webfact Posted July 4, 2016 Share Posted July 4, 2016 Prawit says Chinese submarine is okayBANGKOK: -- Defense minister Gen Prawit Wongsuwan says the Navy's plan to purchase a Chinese submarine is okay and appropriate.Comment by Gen Prawit, also deputy prime minister in charge of security came after critics questioned the efficiency of the 12 billion baht Chinese submarine and whether the Navy was pressured to buy the Chinese weapon.Gen Prawit said the Navy’s submarine procurement project has been considered and screened carefully by its scrutiny committee.He said the project was enlisted in the 2017 national expenditure budget but it still needed to get approval from the cabinet.He said the Navy had planned to procure a submarine for use for a long time, and had been approved by the majority of all committees scrutinising the project.He added the Chinese submarine is appropriate both in terms of price and efficiency under the limited budget allocated for Navy which might not afford to buy higher price submarine from other country. Source: http://englishnews.thaipbs.or.th/prawit-says-chinese-submarine-okay/ -- Thai PBS 2016-07-04 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The stuttering parrot Posted July 4, 2016 Share Posted July 4, 2016 Lunatics running the asylum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tatsujin Posted July 4, 2016 Share Posted July 4, 2016 Why the need for a sub....? "face" ... Army gets their new tanks and things, Navy gets their subs to tie up at the dock and watch them rust away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snig27 Posted July 4, 2016 Share Posted July 4, 2016 You just know everytime Pawn opens his mouth, whatever comes out is not going to be to the advantage of Thailand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NongKhaiKid Posted July 4, 2016 Share Posted July 4, 2016 Why the need for a sub....? "face" ... Army gets their new tanks and things, Navy gets their subs to tie up at the dock and watch them rust away. They can recoup some money by charging admission to have photos taken in front of them. Certain senior military ranks will be free but foreigners not permitted because they'll be state secrets just like the aircraft carrier. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alive Posted July 4, 2016 Share Posted July 4, 2016 (edited) Why the need for a sub....? "face" ... Army gets their new tanks and things, Navy gets their subs to tie up at the dock and watch them rust away. No actually most would say this is part of the buyout to keep the other branches of the military in line under the Army. In the past, some of those other groups joined the people and went against the army leaders who hijacked the elected government. Edited July 4, 2016 by Alive Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bunnychow Posted July 4, 2016 Share Posted July 4, 2016 Why the need for a sub....? Why not ? The country itself has a long coast line...one suspects Thailand has more coast line than say the UK, but no one questions the need the UK have for subs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bunnychow Posted July 4, 2016 Share Posted July 4, 2016 Lunatics running the asylum. But yet the all knowing farangs willingly live in said asylum Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bunnychow Posted July 4, 2016 Share Posted July 4, 2016 Why the need for a sub....?"face" ... Army gets their new tanks and things, Navy gets their subs to tie up at the dock and watch them rust away. They can recoup some money by charging admission to have photos taken in front of them. Certain senior military ranks will be free but foreigners not permitted because they'll be state secrets just like the aircraft carrier. Foreigners are permitted on the aircraft carrier, provided they get permission up front, nothing unsual about that given the vessel is still technically in active service...same in almost all navys in the world and even on private and commerical vessels, one cant just rock up and expect to be let on a vessel...well except certain farangs full of self entitlement who believe the natives should roll the red carpet out for them and hang on their every word Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tatsujin Posted July 4, 2016 Share Posted July 4, 2016 Why the need for a sub....? "face" ... Army gets their new tanks and things, Navy gets their subs to tie up at the dock and watch them rust away. No actually most would say this is part of the buyout to keep the other branches of the military in line under the Army. In the past, some of those other groups joined the people and went against the army leaders who hijacked the elected government. Are you implying this is some kind of "bribe" from the Army to the Navy to keep them in line? And who gets the brown envelopes tho, that's the bigger question ... Army or Navy? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rkidlad Posted July 4, 2016 Share Posted July 4, 2016 Why the need for a sub....? Why not ? The country itself has a long coast line...one suspects Thailand has more coast line than say the UK, but no one questions the need the UK have for subs Thailand shouldn't have and doesn't need any subs. Thailand needs to spending money on more important things like healthcare and education. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robblok Posted July 4, 2016 Share Posted July 4, 2016 Stupid decision, would have been better if they bought something else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NongKhaiKid Posted July 4, 2016 Share Posted July 4, 2016 Why the need for a sub....?"face" ... Army gets their new tanks and things, Navy gets their subs to tie up at the dock and watch them rust away. They can recoup some money by charging admission to have photos taken in front of them. Certain senior military ranks will be free but foreigners not permitted because they'll be state secrets just like the aircraft carrier. Foreigners are permitted on the aircraft carrier, provided they get permission up front, nothing unsual about that given the vessel is still technically in active service...same in almost all navys in the world and even on private and commerical vessels, one cant just rock up and expect to be let on a vessel...well except certain farangs full of self entitlement who believe the natives should roll the red carpet out for them and hang on their every word If you read my post properly you'd see i was writing about photos being taken not going on board and there's been comments over the years from foreigners stopped from having a photo taken in front of the aircraft carrier but ok for their Thai family. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alive Posted July 4, 2016 Share Posted July 4, 2016 Stupid decision, would have been better if they bought something else. This offers long term kickbacks into many future governments. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CantSpell Posted July 4, 2016 Share Posted July 4, 2016 (edited) Gen Prawit said the Navy’s submarine procurement project has been considered and screened carefully by its scrutiny committee.He said the Navy had planned to procure a submarine for use for a long time, and had been approved by the majority of all committees scrutinising the project. I feel safer now that I know they have a "scrutiny committees" as well as other committees that are also "scrutinising" And everyone is handsomely rewarded, so all is clear Edited July 4, 2016 by CantSpell Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaltsc Posted July 4, 2016 Share Posted July 4, 2016 (edited) "Gen Prawit said the Navy’s submarine procurement project has been considered and screened carefully by its scrutiny committee." I wonder if there is a scrutiny committee to scrutinize the committee. Are there any experts on that committee, Is there a naval engineering specialist? An infrastructure specialist, or anyone else with experience in this matter?...or just a few handpicked rubber stampers to trying to convince the public that this is a good idea. Even the Chinese employed Russian submarine specialists while developing their subs. There is every reason to suspect that this will be just another joke to the international defense community. Edited July 4, 2016 by jaltsc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brer Fox Posted July 4, 2016 Share Posted July 4, 2016 The Chinese are the masters of negotiating the best kick-back deals for both parties. I cannot bring myself to believe that would have had anything to do with the decision making process. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaiyen Posted July 4, 2016 Share Posted July 4, 2016 I have said it before.........Thai navy has nobody capable of running a sub and there are no trained crew. Presume China will teach them !! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IamNoone88 Posted July 4, 2016 Share Posted July 4, 2016 Well at least he didn't say a Yellow one will do just fine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NCC1701A Posted July 4, 2016 Share Posted July 4, 2016 Vietnam is happy. Thailand is providing for free a noisy target drone for Vietnam's anti submarine warfare exercises. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emster23 Posted July 4, 2016 Share Posted July 4, 2016 It's not about the sub. If they could get away with buying a paper sub, that would be fine. I would guess it is about the "finders fees" shall we say... Next up: Contract for dredging waters around Thailand to make sea deep enough for sub. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robblok Posted July 4, 2016 Share Posted July 4, 2016 Stupid decision, would have been better if they bought something else. This offers long term kickbacks into many future governments. Quite possible, this is the reason everyone wants to be in the government. That is why they fight and kill over it. As long as its profitable to be in government nothing will ever change. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reigntax Posted July 4, 2016 Share Posted July 4, 2016 "He said the Navy had planned to procure a submarine for use for a long" Is he not aware that Chinese quality is not much better than Thai. 10 years and they will be outdated floating museums and a monument to coup #19. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluebluewater Posted July 4, 2016 Share Posted July 4, 2016 I like to "scrutinize" from time to time if the lights are out and the lady is willing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kblaze Posted July 4, 2016 Share Posted July 4, 2016 Just follow the money - who is going to run the shell companies to be set up on both sides through which the deal will pass through Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jerojero Posted July 4, 2016 Share Posted July 4, 2016 Another idiotic waste of billions. Forget health care or education, but throw money away on submarines! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canopus1969 Posted July 4, 2016 Share Posted July 4, 2016 You just know everytime Pawn opens his mouth, whatever comes out is not going to be to the advantage of Thailand. Looking at him, is he a Thai ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PETERTHEEATER Posted July 4, 2016 Share Posted July 4, 2016 Prawit says Chinese submarine is okayDefense minister Gen Prawit Wongsuwan says the Navy's plan to purchase a Chinese submarine is okay So, which is it?. Is his endorsement about the technical specification of the submarine or that the plan to purchase fills a necessary defence requirement and is transparent? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harrry Posted July 4, 2016 Share Posted July 4, 2016 On reflection one cheap sub may be a reasonable purchase. Though not really an operating choice for shallow thai waters it could be a training platform. It may be that surface navy need to be made familiar with subs and their capabilities and hands on beats none. I doubt they can afford to buy full motion subarine trainers simulators like Australia did with their Collins Class. I have not been in a sub but I have been in the simulator and it scared s....out of me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caps Posted July 4, 2016 Share Posted July 4, 2016 I have said it before.........Thai navy has nobody capable of running a sub and there are no trained crew. Presume China will teach them !! Its to be hoped they do a good job as we don't want it full of dead semen seamen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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