Internet of Things

[ESCAPIS]

Has any one who has taken the plunge into Internet of things and home automation and wishes to offer advice?

[JohnnyJazz]

I started installing a few devices, including cameras but my main concern is security. It's nice to be able to see what's going on in your home, check if the windows in the bedroom are close or start the air cond. when you are outside but it's also worrying to know that someone can hack into your system and take control of your house. So one of the first step to consider would be to install a free open source firewall like pfsense.

It would be nice to exchange information and maybe start a local working group on the subject but unfortunately I've doubt that we can find here the right people. Anyway if you (or other) want to discuss the subject feel free to PM me.

[IAMHERE]

Thailand with its single gateway that would probably " Internet of Thing ".

[Jedsada3]

Hello,

In France I used to live in a staff housing. It was a very big house with cameras and sensor everywhere and of course, it was all connected to Internet. I could see every room on my phone and got an alarm every time a sensor was activated.

I became crazy, paranoid!

I became like the young people that you see today: always looking on my mobile phone browsing from room to room, checking every detail and when I couldn't log in to the Internet, I started to sweat...

After 1 month, I disconnected the security panel from the Internet and my life was wonderful again.

I was always interested in new technologies but that experience was not a success. If I was in Europe, I would have a lot of connected devices in my home... but no cam anymore.

[Chicog]

Thailand with its single gateway that would probably " Internet of Thing ".

[Chicog]

Hello,

In France I used to live in a staff housing. It was a very big house with cameras and sensor everywhere and of course, it was all connected to Internet. I could see every room on my phone and got an alarm every time a sensor was activated.

I became crazy, paranoid!

I became like the young people that you see today: always looking on my mobile phone browsing from room to room, checking every detail and when I couldn't log in to the Internet, I started to sweat...

After 1 month, I disconnected the security panel from the Internet and my life was wonderful again.

I was always interested in new technologies but that experience was not a success. If I was in Europe, I would have a lot of connected devices in my home... but no cam anymore.

Get one with motion detection then you only need to look at it when someone is burgling you.

[Shiver]

Thailand with its single gateway that would probably " Internet of Thing ".

To be a 'Hub' is a fairly centralised model with some huge weaknesses. The only IoT I have any dealings with are Crypto. Other than that I live a fairly simple life, open my own locks, turn on the TV myself, and plug in the kettle myself in the morning without it all being done for me (hushhh...I didn't factor the missus for such tasks). Oh the pain...the pain of it all, I feel like a second class citizen having to breathe for myself.

I can't remember how many years ago (15-20 years or something like that) when I was told that one day my refrigerator would have its own IP address. Clearly nobody at that point had bothered to work out how many unique addresses you get from 4 x 8bit numbers Lol. (btw, what happened to IP5? did it fall down the same chasm as Windows 9?).

When I am wealthy enough to not only buy that Tesla S, but also install a few service stations up and down the backbone of the country I might end up eating my own words though.

I'm going to achieve that by reinventing the wheel. Rather than a hub with spokes, it'll have a cats cradle of very strong string like material and have a 'distributed torque' wheel [joking].

[Aussie69]

IPv5 was used by the Internet Stream Protocol, an experimental streaming protocol, however was never introduced for use.

[Guest]

I think the IoT provides cool possibilities for us to manage our environments in the future.

For people who wish to do future home automation, Andruido is the way to go.

Check this channel, how to make a smart home. The technology is not that difficult.

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLjsTk_Ih5Y34vrvFUATcJPxX6_n45GI-J

[Chicog]

Unfortunately I foresee a whole load of devices rushing to market without proper attention paid to security.

[Guest]

Unfortunately I foresee a whole load of devices rushing to market without proper attention paid to security

I understand the fear, but why the fear should dominate the way we go forward?

[JohnnyJazz]

I think the IoT provides cool possibilities for us to manage our environments in the future.

For people who wish to do future home automation, Andruido is the way to go.

Check this channel, how to make a smart home. The technology is not that difficult.

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLjsTk_Ih5Y34vrvFUATcJPxX6_n45GI-J

Very complicated and require a lot of cables. There are specialized wireless network (ZigBee, Z-wave) that do the same thing. Or you can even use bluetooth or wi-fi.

Edited July 30, 2016 by JohnnyJazz

[Chicog]

Unfortunately I foresee a whole load of devices rushing to market without proper attention paid to security

I understand the fear, but why the fear should dominate the way we go forward?

Fear doesn't dominate the way I go forward, I'm not quite sure what you mean.

It's very simple. Just don't buy from vendors who haven't included proper security.

Most of the mistakes are criminally stupid.

One man bought a fairly expensive camera, registered it but ultimately didn't like it, so he returned it.

A few months later it pinged back online and he could see everything in the home of the new owner who had purchased the "refurbished" product.

Stupid errors like these should really not be in the product at roll out.

So if you like something, wait a few months before buying it to see if anyone finds glaring flaws like this.

For example, what is the point in buying an IoT home security system if a teenager playing on the Internet can turn it off?

Edited July 30, 2016 by Chicog

[Guest]

I fully agree that the security is important. Also the continuancy of the service, even in the case that the manufacturer / service provider goes bust.

Secured home network, as said here before, can be a good way to prevent disaster, even if the devices are not that secured.

The main thing about IoT still is that these connected sensors and servers can make life more easy by automating trivial tasks, when done right.

[Guest]

I think the IoT provides cool possibilities for us to manage our environments in the future.

For people who wish to do future home automation, Andruido is the way to go.

Check this channel, how to make a smart home. The technology is not that difficult.

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLjsTk_Ih5Y34vrvFUATcJPxX6_n45GI-J

Very complicated and require a lot of cables. There are specialized wireless network (ZigBee, Z-wave) that do the same thing. Or you can even use bluetooth or wi-fi.

True. The benefits of using ethernet and especially power over ethernet are reliability, security and that there has to be only one cable, which also gives the power to the devices. Local power means having power adapters all over the place.

I'm not sure would it be meaningful to have a 12V or 48V power grid in the house?

I'd most likely do more de-centralized version of the cabling, if that had been my house.

[Chicog]

I'm still not convinced....

 

Edited August 1, 2016 by Chicog

[Chicog]

Or....

 

http://195.177.125.112:8080/

[JohnnyJazz]

On 7/30/2016 at 1:33 PM, oilinki said:

True. The benefits of using ethernet and especially power over ethernet are reliability, security and that there has to be only one cable, which also gives the power to the devices. Local power means having power adapters all over the place.

I'm not sure would it be meaningful to have a 12V or 48V power grid in the house?

I'd most likely do more de-centralized version of the cabling, if that had been my house.

The problem with poe is it can't power everything, I doubt you can power a TV or a fridge over the ethernet. In my opinion security cameras are the only devices that requires poe for the reason you mentioned

Then why would you need a 12V or 48V power grid ?

I don't know if it  answers your problem but one of the advantage of standards like zig bee or z wave over wi-fi or blue tooth is it's very low power consumption. Theoretically devices that respect these standards can work one year or more on battery only, so no need to be connected to the power grid.

[JohnnyJazz]

Furthermore nowadays a lot of items are powered through an USB port. It's very easy to replace your standard power outlet with a socket like the model below making adapters redundant

 

Edited August 2, 2016 by JohnnyJazz

[Chicog]

5 hours ago, JohnnyJazz said:

Furthermore nowadays a lot of items are powered through an USB port. It's very easy to replace your standard power outlet with a socket like the model below making adapters redundant

 

 

That looks pretty nice but do they do double ones, and do you need to be a sparky to install it?

[JohnnyJazz]

21 minutes ago, Chicog said:

 

Do you need to be a sparky to install it?

 

If you can identify the handle in the apparatus below, you should be able to do it.

 

 

 

Edited August 2, 2016 by JohnnyJazz

[Chicog]

I can but it's a question of where to put the pointy end on which I'm rather vague.

 

[JohnnyJazz]

40 minutes ago, Chicog said:

I can but it's a question of where to put the pointy end on which I'm rather vague.

 

Where to put the pointy end .. great question.

If you haven't figure it out by now I'm afraid I can't help much.