US warship fires warning shots at Iranian boats

[Steely Dan]

2 hours ago, Publicus said:

 

US Navy has pulled the trigger in the Strait of Hormuz area in the past, more than once, all the while knowing fully well the craft are Iranian.

 

This time it was a .50 caliber machine gun which was more than enough to do the trick against the Iranian boats. (Three shots would mean three bursts of fire.) 

 

US Navy photo

 

CCP Dynasty of Dictators in Beijing are watching the US reactions against Iran as CCP continues to have its plans for the South China Sea/Asean and the East Sea/Japan. When and why does the USN pull the trigger and which trigger does it pull...or triggers. Flares, bullets or bombs.

For those with short memories here is another picture of U.S navy personnel in dealings with Iran.

[borisloosebrain]

The US is Saudis little bitch,  every administration bends over and takes the full camel right up their sand dune . Amazing how many of the yanks on here advocate attacking Iranian boats in Iran's backyard. Like a home invasion where you attack and beat up the homeowner. 

[craigt3365]

9 minutes ago, borisloosebrain said:

The US is Saudis little bitch,  every administration bends over and takes the full camel right up their sand dune . Amazing how many of the yanks on here advocate attacking Iranian boats in Iran's backyard. Like a home invasion where you attack and beat up the homeowner. 

SA is powerful.  Until now, the US (and most of the world) has been dependent on SA for oil...at least setting prices.  The Iranians were disregarding international laws regarding safe passage and were openly harassing these ships.  Not the first time either.  But they hardly invaded Iran.  Bit of a difference from a home invasion.   But don't let facts get in the way of a good rant!

 

I provided a link above explaining how the US ships were there legally if you care to educate yourself. 

[GeorgesAbitbol]

3 hours ago, Redline said:

And stop defending the country you came from

 

3 hours ago, craigt3365 said:

 

Yes you did:

 

You can't blame the US for everything bad that happens in the world, though you seem to try.  Many foreign countries are messing around in others territories in the ME.  The worst offenders are Saudi Arabia and Iran.

 

Israel is off topic.

Please can you remind us how many countries Iran invaded ? 

[Boon Mee]

48 minutes ago, GeorgesAbitbol said:

 

Please can you remind us how many countries Iran invaded ? 

Please, can you tell use how much terror Iran has/is exporting?  

[Publicus]

3 hours ago, Steely Dan said:

For those with short memories here is another picture of U.S navy personnel in dealings with Iran.

 

For those with short memories, the US Navy sailors were released 15 hours later.

 

No need to send in the Marines.

 

Or the Air Force.

 

Or the nukes.

 

The effective technology in the instance was the telephone and the rapid action team were the US SecState and the Iranian Foreign Minister (who has a Ph.D. from University of Denver).

 

Most fortunately, Donald Trump wuz not CinC (nor will he ever be). President Obama and former SecState Clinton don't have wild and crazy supporters either.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[ilostmypassword]

7 hours ago, Steely Dan said:

There is only one language the Iranians understand, which is the use of superior force, or the credible threat to use it. The current U.S presidency has lost all credibility with respect to deterrence. This is why rogue states are busy testing just how much they can get away with.

There actually was a time when a large U.S. Force was in a neighboring country.  We sure shocked and awed them back then. 

[craigt3365]

4 hours ago, GeorgesAbitbol said:

 

Please can you remind us how many countries Iran invaded ? 

You can use Google just as easily as me....

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_wars_involving_Iran

[craigt3365]

3 hours ago, Boon Mee said:

Please, can you tell use how much terror Iran has/is exporting?  

Read up on their involvement in Syria...I think Saudi Arabia is worse, but Iran is seriously involved in ME terrorism.

 

Worth a read.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran_and_state-sponsored_terrorism

[fasteddie]

4 hours ago, Boon Mee said:

Please, can you tell use how much terror Iran has/is exporting?  

Where?

[fasteddie]

2 hours ago, Publicus said:

 

For those with short memories, the US Navy sailors were released 15 hours later.

 

No need to send in the Marines.

 

Or the Air Force.

 

Or the nukes.

 

The effective technology in the instance was the telephone and the rapid action team were the US SecState and the Iranian Foreign Minister (who has a Ph.D. from University of Denver).

 

Most fortunately, Donald Trump wuz not CinC (nor will he ever be). President Obama and former SecState Clinton don't have wild and crazy supporters either.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

" President Obama and former SecState Clinton don't have wild and crazy supporters either."

 

Oh my! I do hope that's sarcasm.

[fasteddie]

2 hours ago, ilostmypassword said:

There actually was a time when a large U.S. Force was in a neighboring country.  We sure shocked and awed them back then. 

Yes, Illegally! and just look how that turned out.

[fasteddie]

1 hour ago, craigt3365 said:

You can use Google just as easily as me....

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_wars_involving_Iran

Don't actually see any invasions there as of late, lots of fighting of ISIS as invited allies of sovereign governments, unless you're saying that's a bad thing. As the US is allegedly fighting ISIS, doesn't that make them allies?

[Ulysses G.]

1 hour ago, fasteddie said:

Don't actually see any invasions there as of late

Try this one:

Iran and state-sponsored terrorism

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran_and_state-sponsored_terrorism

[fasteddie]

49 minutes ago, Ulysses G. said:

Try this one:

Iran and state-sponsored terrorism

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran_and_state-sponsored_terrorism

No invasions there, next.

[Ulysses G.]

2 minutes ago, fasteddie said:

No invasions there

 

Being, the biggest state sponsor of terrorism is not far off.

Edited August 26, 2016 by Ulysses G.

[fasteddie]

Just now, Ulysses G. said:

 

Being, the biggest state sponsor of terrorism is not far off.

Ah well that's another question, one man's terrorism is another man's freedom fighting, a lot of people might say the US is by far the biggest state terrorist by far.

[Ulysses G.]

1 minute ago, fasteddie said:

a lot of people might say the US is by far the biggest state terrorist by far.

 

Mostly Islamic terrorists, their supporters and left-wing kooks.

[hawker9000]

13 hours ago, Steely Dan said:

There is only one language the Iranians understand, which is the use of superior force, or the credible threat to use it. The current U.S presidency has lost all credibility with respect to deterrence. This is why rogue states are busy testing just how much they can get away with.

 

Right on the money!

[Boon Mee]

6 hours ago, fasteddie said:

Where?

Hezbolla.

[johna]

I could understand America firing warning shots at gun boats in the Gulf of Mexico, but its the Persian Gulf, not the American Gulf. America, with constant saber rattling towards Iran is a provoking a confrontation.  

[craigt3365]

8 hours ago, fasteddie said:

Don't actually see any invasions there as of late, lots of fighting of ISIS as invited allies of sovereign governments, unless you're saying that's a bad thing. As the US is allegedly fighting ISIS, doesn't that make them allies?

If you're talking about Syria, there's some debate as to whether the current government is still the "official" government.  But yes, Iran is funding lots of militants in Syria and has boots on the ground.  Kinda of a proxy war going on between Iran and Saudi Arabia.

 

Iran is primarily involved in state sponsored terrorism.  But you are right, not actual invasions.  Such as Russia's invasion and occupation of Crimea.  Interesting read:

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran_and_state-sponsored_terrorism

[Publicus]

2 hours ago, johna said:

I could understand America firing warning shots at gun boats in the Gulf of Mexico, but its the Persian Gulf, not the American Gulf. America, with constant saber rattling towards Iran is a provoking a confrontation.  

 

It has had various names. Historically it's been called the Persian Gulf, also the Gulf of Arabia, most recently simply the Gulf.

 

Suggesting or asserting that a body of water with a name on it is (necessarily or otherwise) the property or domain of the place or person of the name is absurd to the point of being laughable. There is no basis in history or international law that a body of water with a name establishes possession, control, domain -- or, more seriously, sovereignty. (Gulf of Mexico does not belong to Mexico -- or to anyone.)

 

The Gulf and the Strait of Hormuz are recognised by the UN Convention on the Law of the Sea as international waterways. There are UN courts that hear cases concerning these matters. No one has legally disputed or rejected the Treaty's provisions that the Gulf or the Strait are international waterways. There is a post to the thread material to this, posted immediately after the OP.

 

However, Iran numerous times has asserted they will take sovereign control of the Strait to close it to international shipping. So guess what? Given the UNCLOS and the international courts it uses don't have a police force, you have the U.S. Navy there. And USN is going to stay there like it or not so get used to it. (Don't need to accept it, just get used to it.)

 

My own notion here is to tell the ayatollahs and their Revolutionary Guards to read their book 24/7 and to keep their noses in their book and out of the real world. 

 

Iran threatens to block Strait of Hormuz

4 May 2016

 

http://en.trend.az/iran/politics/2528852.html 

Edited August 27, 2016 by Publicus
Typo and revision.

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[ExpatOilWorker]

16 hours ago, Steely Dan said:

For those with short memories here is another picture of U.S navy personnel in dealings with Iran.

 

 

For those with a little longer memory, the British also like to raise the white flag to the Iranians.

" Iranian military personnel seized 15 Royal Navy personnel during 2007 and held them for 13 days. "

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2007_Iranian_seizure_of_Royal_Navy_personnel

[Publicus]

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The final paragraph is wild stuff. This poster doesn't give much attention or respect to this kind of Trump in reverse attitude.

 

The elected governments of Iran have for some time now wanted to re-establish diplomatic relations with the United States, and Washington believes in the same way. The Revolutionary Guards don't like the idea and the politically muddling ayatollahs are content to let things be for some time yet. 

 

Let's think in these terms first before we start pressing red buttons in underground silos. 

 

The eagerness to support Russia and the CCP Dynasty of Emperors in Beijing is also revealing. It is further proof some people have a compulsion to choose history's losers and their lousy ever-failing ideas and systems. 

[Pakboong]

I just can't help but think that the word Arabian, in the North Arabian Gulf actually hold some territorial meaning.

[Rancid]

Hmm, not really a great fan of Iran, however if Iranian warships were regularly sailing off the coast of US or UK what would be the reaction? Let's be honest, it has nothing to do with freedom of navigation, its all about gunship diplomacy and intimidation. Kick a dog often enough and he will either cower or bite back.

[craigt3365]

1 hour ago, Rancid said:

Hmm, not really a great fan of Iran, however if Iranian warships were regularly sailing off the coast of US or UK what would be the reaction? Let's be honest, it has nothing to do with freedom of navigation, its all about gunship diplomacy and intimidation. Kick a dog often enough and he will either cower or bite back.

Kinda hard for these ships to make it to the US or the UK!    But what the US did was to traverse waters via what's called innocent passage.  Easy to look it up.  Intimidation?  Sure, the world needs those waters open and free for passage.  Something Iran has threatened to close:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011–12_Strait_of_Hormuz_dispute

 

 

 

 

 

Edited August 27, 2016 by craigt3365

[craigt3365]

1 hour ago, Pakboong said:

I just can't help but think that the word Arabian, in the North Arabian Gulf actually hold some territorial meaning.

It doesn't.  Same with South China Sea.  Or Gulf of Mexico.  Or....