PM against presentation of suspects before the media

[elgordo38]

6 hours ago, PatOngo said:

Inactive pointing fingers can always be re trained for nose picking I guess.

I think its the other way around. 

[elgordo38]

24 minutes ago, ezzra said:

So what now? we are not going to see the photo opp of the usual

bunch of ranking cops with  their full regalia smiling to the cameras

in front of a grimed face accused any longer?

I'm going to miss that....

 

They will still be there when the silver tray containing de moola is presented. 

[BlindMagician]

Thai Gov memo culture.

Nice little crest at the top and the countless approval stages signatures and wee comments, from layer upon layer of bureaucrat. Multiple "received" date stamps to try to weed out incompetence, not being able to pass on paper from office to office, tray to tray. Gives you some insight to their management style doesn't it.

As for the OP topic, perhaps a pleasant surprise, a glimmer of hope of doing one sensible thing, at long last. One mark awarded for that.

Now ... what about all the other stuff?

[silent]

6 hours ago, PatOngo said:

Inactive pointing fingers can always be re trained for nose picking I guess.

Have you never been waiting to make a U-turn in traffic and said under your breath "would you please take your thumb out your bum and explain what that signal with the finger in the nose means. sir""? They don't need retraining.   

[timewilltell]

6 hours ago, candide said:

There are no juries in Thailand, only a judge decides who is guilty or not. So parading suspects in the media cannot influence juries as may be the case in it other countries.

 

He just changes something that has no effect, but of course doesn't change other more important matters. For example that suspects should not be interrogated by the police and charged without the presence of a lawyer (i. e.  Kho Tao case)

 

The right to a lawyer under interrogation is already the law. Like so many other things in Thailand the law is either enforced or ignored according to achieve what the police or influential person wants.

 

The non-parading edict is a good one, a positive step. However Thais are on a marathon to fix what is wrong with their police and entire system of justice as well as the laws that should supposedly constrain it. I fear exhaustion will occur before the first corner.

[billd766]

4 hours ago, Rorri said:

Um, this is  Thailand, we have yet to see it actually happen, we hope it goes against the tide, and does.

 

It was only announced yesterday and it will take a little time to go into effect.

 

This could be why you have yet to see it happen.

[HiSoLowSoNoSo]

"A senior police source said the police always respect human rights and law"

[MockingJay]

Human rights... in Thailand...  

[Graemej100]

At last! A positive step. Before the assumption was that you were guilty before proven so. 

[louse1953]

15 hours ago, seajae said:

also saves face for the hi-so's, rich and well named/connected

Hi so's usually cover their face,so no face to lose,and there goes the finger of death as well.Thank god,no more posts about lack of finger,ect.

[hansnl]

13 hours ago, tominbkk said:

Well, I have to say I agree with him, for once!

Quite so.

But, to stop treating expats like potential criminals, please be so kind to stop immigration asking to complete a form with too many questions bordering on invasion of privacy.

And the latest craze, asking to submit a very personal medical report going beyond eventual illnesses dangerous for the general public, and a chest x-ray, goes against the law, even Thai law.

And mostly against the universal rights of humans, signed and ratified Thailand.

Besides, having a chest X-ray every year does not seem to be a healthy thing to do.

 

[williamgeorgeallen]

guarantee this will not stop, although it should.  lets see how long it last for. i predict 3 weeks. cops just love doing it to much and for sure they will not want to follow orders from the army.

[Mickmouse1]

I entirely agree after all a suspect could turn out to be innocent and parading them before thr media is s gross violation of their rights and should be compensated when proven innocent 

[williamgeorgeallen]

21 minutes ago, louse1953 said:

Hi so's usually cover their face,so no face to lose,and there goes the finger of death as well.Thank god,no more posts about lack of finger,ect.

high so's just buy their way out of it, unless it is a high profile case like ying chicken where the value of parading the suspect is greater than that of the potential bribe.

[Dukeleto]

8 hours ago, PatOngo said:

Inactive pointing fingers can always be re trained for nose picking I guess.

Judging by the length of the nail on the pinky finger of most Thai males, I think they already have nose picking down to a fine art.

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

A rare exercise of good judgment and common sense.

 

Let's just hope the police end up complying with the directive, and that it's honored over time, unlike all the various laws and directives that are routinely ignored.

 

[louse1953]

6 hours ago, jamesbrock said:

 

According to iLaw (https://ilaw.or.th), in the two years since the coup, 926 people have been "invited for discussions" with the military, 527 have been arrested, 47 have been charged under the Sedition Law, and 167 civilians have been tried in military courts with no right of appeal.

 

In April 2016 alone, four people were summonsed to meet with the RTA, 10 were arrested for peaceful demonstrations, three people were arrested for lese majeste, and nine people were tried in military courts.

 

If the military was really concerned about human rights, it would thoroughly investigate the serious allegations against Mrs Chicken rather than charge her with LM violations and hope the public forget the high ranking police and military officials assisting her human trafficking business.

I presume you can back that last sentence up with fact and not just here say allegations.

[tancred]

8 hours ago, PatOngo said:

Inactive pointing fingers can always be re trained for nose picking I guess.

They do that now,especially waiters.

[eggers]

Always thought, smacked of presumption of guilt ! 

[mikiea]

8 hours ago, PatOngo said:

Inactive pointing fingers can always be re trained for nose picking I guess.

right move for wrong reason ................

[bazza40]

The parade was always about giving the police media exposure. Quite right to stop it, because it prejudged the guilt of the suspects on show.

[slippery snake]

May as well stop these pictures in the news,, can't tell who they are anyway.  They either have their faces buried in their hands or a dust mask and sun glasses on..   I feel the photos are put on so the cops can get their photo in the paper ??? 

Should post their photos after they have been convicted,     as some may be innocent ?  

[gandalf12]

But I thought the world understood everything and was happy with the situation? I must be wrong

[sahibji]

16 hours ago, seajae said:

also saves face for the hi-so's, rich and well named/connected

a step forward...

[sweatalot]

6 hours ago, rooster59 said:

Police to stop bringing suspects to press meets

THE SUNDAY NATION 

 

BANGKOK:-- THE Royal Thai Police will comply with Prime Minister Prayut Chan-o-cha’s order not to bring criminal suspects to their press conferences as the practice is in breach of human rights, police spokesman Pol General Dejnarong Sutthicharn-bancha said yesterday.

 

He said he had not yet seen the official order but personally agreed with it and believed it would not adversely affect police work.

Justice Ministry deputy permanent secretary Thawatchai Thaikiew said that Prayut issued the order after the ministry presented him a weekly human rights violation report dated August 3 that bringing suspects to press conferences has negative consequences for them. Whether they are finally acquitted of all charges and freed or they are convicted, they would have difficulties adjusting back in society because of the stigma.

The PM's order requires the Royal Thai Police to issue directives to all police across the country not to bring suspects to press conferences, Thawatchai said, adding the police can only announce achievements.

Thawatchai said the suspects exposed during press conferences face adverse consequences because society may not accept them back and this could force them into committing more crimes.
 

 

A senior police source said the police always respect human rights and law. Before calling a press conference, police give papers for the suspects to sign their consent to be present at a press conference. The police would not bring the suspects to any press conference without their consent, he said.

Backing the previous practice, the source said, "On the contrary, showing faces of suspects is part of a warning for society to be vigilant of criminal elements."

 

Source: http://www.nationmultimedia.com/politics/Police-to-stop-bringing-suspects-to-press-meets-30294459.html

 

 

 

-- © Copyright The Nation 2016-09-04

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"A senior police source said the police always respect human rights and law. Before calling a press conference, police give papers for the suspects to sign their consent to be present at a press conference. The police would not bring the suspects to any press conference without their consent, he said."

 

How do they trick them into consenting?

 

[jamesbrock]

1 minute ago, louse1953 said:

I presume you can back that last sentence up with fact and not just here say allegations.

 

Did I say they were facts? Or did I say "serious allegations"?

 

It is a fact that it has been alleged that senior politicians, top brass police and members of the army have been implicated in the human trafficking case that was first reported on 29 June. It is a fact that these allegations first came to light on 7 July, when ThaiVisa posted a story that contained the following quote:

 

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Lady Kai - who is not titled at all,just plain Monta Yokratanakan - is at the center of an alleged human trafficking case that is beginning to look murkier by the day. It has now been alleged that it could lead to senior politicians, top brass police and members of the army.

 

Again, on 7 July, ThaiVisa posted another story that read: 

 

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Human rights lawyer Songkan said that it is plain that politicians are involved and that "big police" and military men are involved in the alleged trafficking.

 

For the ten days up to this point, the focus of the investigation was on her alleged human trafficking and making false accusations; however, as soon as the allegations were made against "senior politicians, top brass police and members of the army," it was reported, on July 8, that she was whisked to prison and "held on Lese Majeste charges (Article 112) and an initial charge of making malicious accusations" - the human trafficking aspect of the case was sidelined by the timely use of the LM law, and has barely been heard of again.

 

On July 9 she was described as mentally unstable by a top policeman connected to the case, sowing further doubt into the public's mind regarding the veracity of the allegations against "senior politicians, top brass police and members of the army."

 

Indeed the two most recent stories published about her, one on 29 Augustand one just last Friday fail to mention anything about the human trafficking allegations and simply label her an "alleged con woman" and "alleged fraudster." 

 

Again, if Prayuth or the the military was really concerned about human rights, it would thoroughly investigate the serious allegations made against her, rather than doing the predictable whenever one of their own might get found out, and sweeping it all under the carpet.

[sweatalot]

3 hours ago, dbrenn said:

This will also make it easier to make 'suspects' who upset the junta 'disappear'

not only you

 

some people are so desperate that they make  every move (regardless how good and useful it might be)  of this government look bad

[Jimbo2014]

Damn I'll miss those goofy startled pics of the soon to be found guilty.  Does this mean no more public handouts for police as well :(.  A grI'm day for the boys in too tight brown.

[Michael8511]

It's a both good and bad thing, for other Asian citizens it could be a security that friends and human rights lawyers can see that they are arrested and may be able to help. For westerner that probably have someone close that know they been arrested it may be a good thing not to be put on display, it's kind of a monkey show. But inside I'm unsure if it is specific reason the PM like to stop this. It is a fact that it's a growing dislike for the military regime by the general public and I hope it have nothing to do with this. 

[Basil B]

Does this include re-enactments of crimes???

Presume the pics in this article are a re-enactment?