dinsdale Posted June 15, 2017 Share Posted June 15, 2017 3 hours ago, mrdome said: Very limited use as the fire spread via the outside of the building in this case, the heat breaking the windows, flames sucked into each floor and consuming it from all sides. I've seen the developer state that the aluminum composite cladding was not a point of concern to their knowledge - insane! Anyone can see that it was highly flammable. I've never seen a comparable fire in an apartment building and the fact that the tenants talked about an impeding fire disaster just a few months ago makes this especially tragic. I've also never seen a residential building with sprinklers inside the actual apartments - does this exist anywhere? Latest I've heard is there looking into a fridge as the seat of the fire. Have to wait and see. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IMA_FARANG Posted June 15, 2017 Share Posted June 15, 2017 Quote The suspicion has now fallen on the cladding that was used in the 2015 refurbishment that caused, allegedly, the fire to spread on the outside of the building. The cladding had a polyethylene core. -------------------- Exactly as I suspected. News photos clearly show that the blasé spread outside the building upwards from the start and there are also photos of the buildings cladding falling during the fire. As I said in a previous post yesterday the cladding on the building was there merely for decorative effect. Those who died are probably victims of Criminal Negligence by the constructors. I hope they get sued for a very large sum in the courts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
balo Posted June 15, 2017 Share Posted June 15, 2017 I'm happy to hear that all the Thai families involved in this tragedy escaped , now I am sure they will get the help they need to move to a safe location . Or maybe move back to Thailand , somehow it feels safer here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trogers Posted June 15, 2017 Share Posted June 15, 2017 4 hours ago, peterb17 said: 32 killed and 79 injured in Hong Kong high rise- inadequate safety regulations blamed- Google is always your friend. So proved wrong on that point. You totally miss the point of my reply- many have died- you are withering on about ex colonies- I can only presume you are an embittered colonial . Couldn't find what you were referring to. Perhaps a date would help, though bear in mind the year 1999. Many died, and how many more would from the ineptness and incompetence of the so called professionals in Britain? I mentioned ex-colonies so that Britain would pull up her socks, and not rest on past laurels... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rc2702 Posted June 15, 2017 Share Posted June 15, 2017 (edited) 8 hours ago, trogers said: Even the former colonies of Britain, like HK and Singapore, have better fire safety standards incorporated in their public housing back in 1974. This is one clear reason Britain lost its title 'Great'. The spirit remains strong so Great will never be lost. Proof of which can be seen by the locals helping out their neighbours in need after the fire. Class is permanent. Edited June 15, 2017 by Rc2702 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thongkorn Posted June 15, 2017 Share Posted June 15, 2017 It's been confirmed that the cladding has been used on other High rise buildings that has caught fire, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamJar Posted June 15, 2017 Share Posted June 15, 2017 4 hours ago, IMA_FARANG said: -------------------- Exactly as I suspected. News photos clearly show that the blasé spread outside the building upwards from the start and there are also photos of the buildings cladding falling during the fire. As I said in a previous post yesterday the cladding on the building was there merely for decorative effect. Those who died are probably victims of Criminal Negligence by the constructors. I hope they get sued for a very large sum in the courts. Remember that Harley Curtain Wall put themselves into voluntary administration after the fitting. Harley Facades rose from the Ashes. I pointed out earlier that they deleted all reference to themselves being linked to the job from their website on the day of the fire. But web archives have revealed what they tried to delete. https://web.archive.org/web/20170614035707/http:/wittukgroup.co.uk/grenfell-tower-london-w11-1tq-regeneration-project/ https://web.archive.org/web/20170614034527/http://www.harleyfacades.co.uk/page/grenfell-tower https://web.archive.org/web/20170614055549/http://www.rydon.co.uk/what-we-do/refurbishment/case-studies/refurbishment-case-studies/grenfell-tower http://www.constructionenquirer.com/2017/06/14/blaze-engulfs-refurbished-london-tower-block/ http://www.bailey-uk.com/face-value/environmental/rainscreen-cladding-and-fire-risk/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamJar Posted June 15, 2017 Share Posted June 15, 2017 Further to that; https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/3802860/couple-whose-company-were-responsible-for-cladding-at-tragic-grenfell-tower-hide-away-in-1million-home/ It seems the couple involved are denying all knowledge. Can say that I believe they even they would be so stupid as to do that. Especially when it on their website(before they took the page down) in the post above. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamJar Posted June 15, 2017 Share Posted June 15, 2017 Must be a different Belinda and Raymond Bailey registered for Harley Curtain Wall at Companies House then. https://beta.companieshouse.gov.uk/company/03244209/officers Harley Curtain Wall (Old company) https://beta.companieshouse.gov.uk/company/03991613/officers Harley Facades (New company) What you do is to do a big job wherein you owe £1,000,000 to creditors. Then you put yourself administration; Pre-pack administration where you then purchase the distressed assets of the former company for a song. Therefore you have your company intact without the bothersome creditors. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George FmplesdaCosteedback Posted June 15, 2017 Share Posted June 15, 2017 A terrible tragedy. Fingers will be pointed. No Fire Alarm? Stay in the flat advice by emergency help line? Who controls the local council, and many more questions to be asked. Condolences to all involved and affected. Very sad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamJar Posted June 15, 2017 Share Posted June 15, 2017 The page Witt UK took down: http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:ym6NjHxAJyYJ:wittukgroup.co.uk/grenfell-tower-london-w11-1tq-regeneration-project/+&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=uk Perhaps they don't want a light shone on their involvement. All the more reason to keep it up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stargeezr Posted June 15, 2017 Share Posted June 15, 2017 This building did not have any additional fire escapes and only one stair case, how is that allowed in any 24 story high rise? The building owner had better be paying for the funerals for the people who were killed and compensation for those who were injured in this fire. I think the owner needs some serious jail time as well as a huge fine, and lots of law suits as well. Geezer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Techno Viking Posted June 15, 2017 Share Posted June 15, 2017 5 hours ago, trogers said: Couldn't find what you were referring to. Perhaps a date would help, though bear in mind the year 1999. Many died, and how many more would from the ineptness and incompetence of the so called professionals in Britain? I mentioned ex-colonies so that Britain would pull up her socks, and not rest on past laurels... You are unable to type into google "Hong Kong high rise fire, 32 killed" ? Here first hit on google. http://www.nytimes.com/1996/11/21/world/32-are-killed-in-fire-in-hong-kong-high-rise.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trogers Posted June 16, 2017 Share Posted June 16, 2017 49 minutes ago, Techno Viking said: You are unable to type into google "Hong Kong high rise fire, 32 killed" ? Here first hit on google. http://www.nytimes.com/1996/11/21/world/32-are-killed-in-fire-in-hong-kong-high-rise.html That was an office building with a private owner, and not public housing developed by quasi-goverment. What did Chris Patten say about this incident as the Governor of Hong Kong on behalf of the British Government? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Techno Viking Posted June 16, 2017 Share Posted June 16, 2017 (edited) 6 minutes ago, trogers said: That was an office building with a private owner, and not public housing developed by quasi-goverment. My bad, I did not realise dead office workers are lesser than dead public housing tenants, Also where in perterb17's post was origin of occupancy mentioned ? Edited June 16, 2017 by Techno Viking Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trogers Posted June 16, 2017 Share Posted June 16, 2017 1 hour ago, Techno Viking said: My bad, I did not realise dead office workers are lesser than dead public housing tenants, Also where in perterb17's post was origin of occupancy mentioned ? There are those in the private sector known to cut corners for the sake of profit. Do you expect the same behaviour in governments of developed countries? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Techno Viking Posted June 16, 2017 Share Posted June 16, 2017 1 minute ago, trogers said: There are those in the private sector known to cut corners for the sake of profit. Do you expect the same behaviour in governments of developed countries? I expect high rise building's to not murder dozens of people no matter race/religion/working/not working/government tenant/profit or non profit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trogers Posted June 16, 2017 Share Posted June 16, 2017 21 minutes ago, Techno Viking said: I expect high rise building's to not murder dozens of people no matter race/religion/working/not working/government tenant/profit or non profit. I expect humans to return to the Garden of Eden too... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
katana Posted June 16, 2017 Share Posted June 16, 2017 Rumours going round a lot more than 17 died but it's been covered up. Wouldn't surprise me if it's true. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rc2702 Posted June 16, 2017 Share Posted June 16, 2017 Just now, katana said: Rumours going round a lot more than 17 died but it's been covered up. Wouldn't surprise me if it's true. Yes I believe is at least double. 120 flats with a minimum of 2 but more likely 3 to a flat and the high cost of living in London added to shortage of housing means 20% minimum were living in overcrowded conditions very likely unofficially so gotta be another 30 people on top of 17. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KBsinter Posted June 16, 2017 Share Posted June 16, 2017 A police spokes person said they are hoping it will not exceed 100 God forbid............ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ripstanley Posted June 16, 2017 Share Posted June 16, 2017 35 minutes ago, katana said: Rumours going round a lot more than 17 died but it's been covered up. Wouldn't surprise me if it's true. The ABC Australia are reporting 30 confirmed dead with another 12 seriously ill. http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-06-16/london-tower-fire-death-toll-rises-to-30,-police-say/8626590 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PomPolo Posted June 16, 2017 Share Posted June 16, 2017 Does this space age tech include fire sprinklers? Or AlarmsSent from my C103 using Thailand Forum - Thaivisa mobile app Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
katana Posted June 16, 2017 Share Posted June 16, 2017 "30 dead and...70 people remain unaccounted..." Let's hope they were out of the building at the time and have yet to contact the authorities.https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2017/jun/16/at-least-30-dead-in-grenfell-tower-fire-say-police Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grubster Posted June 16, 2017 Share Posted June 16, 2017 On 6/15/2017 at 5:58 PM, mrdome said: Very limited use as the fire spread via the outside of the building in this case, the heat breaking the windows, flames sucked into each floor and consuming it from all sides. I've seen the developer state that the aluminum composite cladding was not a point of concern to their knowledge - insane! Anyone can see that it was highly flammable. I've never seen a comparable fire in an apartment building and the fact that the tenants talked about an impeding fire disaster just a few months ago makes this especially tragic. I've also never seen a residential building with sprinklers inside the actual apartments - does this exist anywhere? I think every building in Chicago thats over two floors. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
balo Posted June 16, 2017 Share Posted June 16, 2017 1 hour ago, katana said: "30 dead and...70 people remain unaccounted..." Let's hope they were out of the building at the time and have yet to contact the authorities. Let's face it , 120 flats , lets say at least 2 persons inside each would mean 240 people when the fire started. 30 confirmed dead + 50 injured at the hospital . Do the math , more than 100 lives have been lost but it will take weeks for them to identify them, using DNA , all that is left inside the building is teeth/bones, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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