Nine killed in school shooting in southern Turkey

Where did these shooters get the idea that they should mow down their friends? Are they copying something they read online? Is there an example elsewhere that tells them this is how to make daddy regret bullying them or their friends ignoring them?

Not enough mental healthcare available for schools perhaps?

So desparately sad. RIP young ones (not the shooter though). Like some recent cases in the US, I hope the father is prosecuted for his abject failures.

The easiest solution is to make personal gun ownership illegal. The second step is restricting guns from all those who have retired from a post which requires them. Nobody needs an arsenal at home--unlocked!

44 minutes ago, unblocktheplanet said:

The easiest solution is to make personal gun ownership illegal. The second step is restricting guns from all those who have retired from a post which requires them. Nobody needs an arsenal at home--unlocked!

Congratulations! You’ve just created a black market for weapons! Prohibition doesn’t work! Never has, never will! Most drugs, for example, are illegal and you can get them pretty much anywhere, even in the countries that have the death penalty on it!

13 minutes ago, pacovl46 said:

59 minutes ago, unblocktheplanet said:

The easiest solution is to make personal gun ownership illegal. The second step is restricting guns from all those who have retired from a post which requires them. Nobody needs an arsenal at home--unlocked!

Congratulations! You’ve just created a black market for weapons! Prohibition doesn’t work! Never has, never will! Most drugs, for example, are illegal and you can get them pretty much anywhere, even in the countries that have the death penalty on it!

“Congratulations - you’ve just created another layer of stupidity.

‘Prohibition doesn’t work’ isn’t the clever mic-drop you think it is - it’s a lazy cliché. Laws aren’t about achieving perfect compliance, they’re about reducing harm. Murder is illegal too, yet we still have laws against it because they limit it.

Comparing guns to drugs is equally weak. Drugs are consumable, easily concealed, and constantly in demand. Firearms are durable, traceable, and far easier to regulate at the source. That’s why countries with stricter gun laws consistently have fewer gun deaths - not zero, but less, which is the whole point.

And in this case, the weapon didn’t come from some mythical black market - it came from legal access within a household. So your argument doesn’t even apply to the situation you’re trying to explain.

It’s not that prohibition ‘never works’ - it’s that you’ve confused ‘not-perfect’ with ‘pointless'....

5 hours ago, Watawattana said:

So desparately sad. RIP young ones (not the shooter though). Like some recent cases in the US, I hope the father is prosecuted for his abject failures.

And so many other countries ... school shootings since 2020

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6 hours ago, KhunLA said:

And so many other countries ... school shootings since 2020

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Yeah. Totally agree.

It's a shame the Turks are starting to copy the americans. Rotten american culture is to blame.

8 hours ago, richard_smith237 said:

“Congratulations - you’ve just created another layer of stupidity.

‘Prohibition doesn’t work’ isn’t the clever mic-drop you think it is - it’s a lazy cliché. Laws aren’t about achieving perfect compliance, they’re about reducing harm. Murder is illegal too, yet we still have laws against it because they limit it.

Comparing guns to drugs is equally weak. Drugs are consumable, easily concealed, and constantly in demand. Firearms are durable, traceable, and far easier to regulate at the source. That’s why countries with stricter gun laws consistently have fewer gun deaths - not zero, but less, which is the whole point.

And in this case, the weapon didn’t come from some mythical black market - it came from legal access within a household. So your argument doesn’t even apply to the situation you’re trying to explain.

It’s not that prohibition ‘never works’ - it’s that you’ve confused ‘not-perfect’ with ‘pointless'....

Ok, 1920s alcohol prohibition in the US clearly didn't work. Drugs are illegal in most countries and yet still available and there's absolutely nothing weak about using that as a comparison because it's not about whehter they're durable or easily concealed, it's about them being illegal and as a direct result there's a black market for them. Also, every country in which cigarettes are expensive, there's a black market. There's countless other examples as well. Prohibition doesn't work, whether and you want to believe that or not doesn't change the fact!

I also never stated the gun in this case came from the black market, so stop putting words in my mouth!

Laws don't limit murder in any way shape or form because murder happens only in one of two circumstances, either it's planned, in that case the perpetrator plans it in a way he thinks he won't get caught, or it's a heat of the moment situation in which case the perp won't be capable of thinking about the consequences because he "sees red!"

That's why there's still murders taking place even in the countries that have the death penalty on them! In some states in the US the murder rate even went up after they reintroduced the death penalty for it.

The problem in the US is that the laws aren't strict enough when it comes to how you have to keep them. That's why some of the idiots have their shotgun in the rear window of their pickup truck. They can also have them just laying around in the house where others have direct access to them.

In Germany, where I'm from, you can join a gun club and then legally own a number of guns, I think it's one or two handguns and 4 rifles in total, if I remember correctly. But you have to keep them in a gunsafe at your house. Inspectors can show up whenever they want and you have to let them in. If you're cleaning your guns on your kitchen table and the doorbell rings and it's the inspectors and they see your guns out on your table you can kiss your guns and your license good-bye because you were supposed to pack them into the safe before you answered the door. You also can't take them outside with you because carry permits are pretty much non-existent for civilians, unless there's an ongoing threat to their life. If you go to tournaments, you're allowed to transport your gun back and forth without any unnecessary stops directly to your destination, but the gun and the ammunition have to be kept sperately from each other in lockable cases in a location in your car that is not directly accessible to you. Violate that and it's also bye-bye, plus a hefty fine!

Obviously the father of the shooter in this case allowed his son direct access to his guns and THAT is the issue, NOT the right to legally own a firearm!

2 hours ago, pacovl46 said:

Ok, 1920s alcohol prohibition in the US clearly didn't work. Drugs are illegal in most countries and yet still available << clipped to keep the post shorter - can read above >>

You’re mixing up “prohibition doesn’t eliminate something” with “laws have no effect whatsoever”, and that’s where your whole argument falls apart.

Agreed - Prohibition in the United States didn’t completely stop alcohol. But it did reduce overall consumption and alcohol-related harm during that period. Same with drugs - they still exist, but availability, price, and risk are all shaped by law. That’s not “nothing” - that’s measurable impact.

Your “laws don’t limit murder in any way” claim is just flat-out wrong. If that were true, every country would have roughly the same murder rate. They don’t. Countries with stricter gun access - like Germany, Japan UK etc - have dramatically lower firearm homicide rates than the United States. That’s not a coincidence, and it’s not because people there are magically more rational when they “see red”... (although I do wonder sometimes - given the amount of Mall and School shootings in the USA).

Also, your “people either plan it or snap, so laws don’t matter” point ignores something basic: access.

A person who “sees red” without a gun is far less lethal than one who has immediate access to one. That’s why impulsive violence + easy access = higher death rates. This is well-documented, not opinion.

You’re right about one thing: safe storage matters. But you’re treating it like the only factor, when it’s just one layer. Germany’s system works because it combines strict storage, limited ownership, licensing, and restricted carry. You don’t get to cherry-pick one rule and pretend that’s the whole model.

As far as your black market argument goes ?? It actually undermines your point. The tighter the legal supply, the harder and more expensive illegal access becomes. That’s why black markets exist in the first place - because legal access is restricted.

If laws truly had “no effect,” there wouldn’t be a black market premium.

So no - laws don’t create a perfect world. But pretending they have zero impact isn’t realism, it’s just ignoring evidence because it doesn’t fit your conclusion.

9 hours ago, 1tooth said:

It's a shame the Turks are starting to copy the americans. Rotten american culture is to blame.

Americans are responisible for a lot, but lets not jump overboard here. "Ayser Calik Secondary School in the Kahramanmaras area"
That is Kahramanmaras, also known as Maras or Marash. A city, a people, with it's own myths, and purposes, with a history of astonishing violence; (1978, 1915/16 & 1920).

14 hours ago, richard_smith237 said:

You’re mixing up “prohibition doesn’t eliminate something” with “laws have no effect whatsoever”, and that’s where your whole argument falls apart.

Agreed - Prohibition in the United States didn’t completely stop alcohol. But it did reduce overall consumption and alcohol-related harm during that period. Same with drugs - they still exist, but availability, price, and risk are all shaped by law. That’s not “nothing” - that’s measurable impact.

Your “laws don’t limit murder in any way” claim is just flat-out wrong. If that were true, every country would have roughly the same murder rate. They don’t. Countries with stricter gun access - like Germany, Japan UK etc - have dramatically lower firearm homicide rates than the United States. That’s not a coincidence, and it’s not because people there are magically more rational when they “see red”... (although I do wonder sometimes - given the amount of Mall and School shootings in the USA).

Also, your “people either plan it or snap, so laws don’t matter” point ignores something basic: access.

A person who “sees red” without a gun is far less lethal than one who has immediate access to one. That’s why impulsive violence + easy access = higher death rates. This is well-documented, not opinion.

You’re right about one thing: safe storage matters. But you’re treating it like the only factor, when it’s just one layer. Germany’s system works because it combines strict storage, limited ownership, licensing, and restricted carry. You don’t get to cherry-pick one rule and pretend that’s the whole model.

As far as your black market argument goes ?? It actually undermines your point. The tighter the legal supply, the harder and more expensive illegal access becomes. That’s why black markets exist in the first place - because legal access is restricted.

If laws truly had “no effect,” there wouldn’t be a black market premium.

So no - laws don’t create a perfect world. But pretending they have zero impact isn’t realism, it’s just ignoring evidence because it doesn’t fit your conclusion.

Everything I've stated in my previous post regarding murder is absolutely correct! Theres tons of studies out there on why the death pebalty doesnt work as a deterrant. Just look it up! You also might wanna do some research on how much the anti drug laws impact drug traffic. There's still tens of thousands of people overdosing on fentanyl every year. You can get pretty much any drug you want, which clearly shows that border controls, the DEA and their ridiculous war against drugs don't work. It's nothing but a massive waste of tax money! Again, prohibition doesn't work and that's that!

Also, you can't really compare the US to any other country when it comes to gun crime, especially not Germany, because we never had the wild west gung ho s.it going on here. The Americans have a completely different attitude towards owning guns than most other countries and that makes the difference. Now, I'm not saying that prohibition doesn't have an impact, but it's so NOT getting rid of the problem in any way and the actual impact is negligible.

Also, the main point of my initial reply to you was simply that prohibition isn't the answer because you stated gun ownership should be illegal for civilians and I totally disagree with that! Tighten up the laws on how guns have to be kept and that will actually make a much bigger difference than prohibition!