Trump Rejects Iran Proposal as "Totally Unacceptable"

55 minutes ago, dinsdale said:

Please link this report.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2026/05/07/cia-intelligence-iran-trump-blockade-missiles/

Reports are Iran knowingly put in demands, like reparations, that would be political suicide - suicide by AIPAC - for Trump to accept. They've got Trump by his crinkly balls and ain't letting go.

How more can America be embarrassed on the world stage a third world country bring down America !! price of everything now going up because of the moron you yanks voted in

4 hours ago, dinsdale said:

Thing is the Strait is both Iranian and Omani waters with a freedom of navigation passage in the middle. It's not Iran's to do what they like with.

Nor is it the US Navy's.

1 hour ago, dinsdale said:

So you think Iran should have full control over the Strait of Hormuz?

Once again, the guileless, "If you don't support this then you must support that" debate-killer.

At least you're consistent.

1 hour ago, dinsdale said:

And this cannot be allowed. The IRGC's mosquito fleet of fast boats, drones and surface to ship missiles is why it's "closed". Remember it is now also closed to Iranian vessels costing the regime an estimated $500m a day.

Are these are the same "mosquito fleet of fast boats, drones and surface to ship missiles" that Trump has repeatedly cited as being obliterated?

1 hour ago, dinsdale said:

So is turning off oil income for the regime. Don't you get it?

Like America's decades-long strangulation of Cuba? What's to "get" here exactly?

2 hours ago, dinsdale said:

And this cannot be allowed. The IRGC's mosquito fleet of fast boats, drones and surface to ship missiles is why it's "closed". Remember it is now also closed to Iranian vessels costing the regime an estimated $500m a day.

REMEMBER: If Iran loses USD500 million per day, they do not mind.

But, if the world loses USD5 Billion per day, or more, than this cannot stand.

Iran is winning, so far....

Did you imagine otherwise?

Also, Sir:

Have you ever read a book by Hawthorne????

CONFESS.....Sir.....!!!!

In terms of holding the cards, all Iran needs is a pair of twos, because Trump's hand is 7 high, various suits.

As more information comes out---in addition to the WaPo article about Iran's missiles and its ability to endure a blockade---it seems the US is rather hamstrung. It's Gulf bases were hit precisely (probably with Russian intel) so that the runways are currently unusable. Saudi and Kuwait have rescinded US overflight approval, so forget B2 bombers flying from the US, unless they want to use a wildly circuitous route. Ship-borne fighter/bomber aircraft cannot reach distant targets in Iran, due to the overflight restrictions. Cruise missiles on location are depleted, others must be moved from places like South Korea, Japan and Europe, and total existing inventories are low.

I would guess the "ceasefire" was driven in part by the paucity of US missiles.

Iran probably has pretty good intel from Russia about the extent of the damage to US bases in the Gulf, as well as US inventories of Cruise and Tomahawk missiles. Iran probably also knows the range any carrier-based aircraft can affect.

With Gulf nations now understanding that the US security umbrella has many holes, plus Patriot and THAAD systems are depleted---all while Iran still has 70% of its missile capability---the US has likely lost these rather new alliances. Gulf nations might be demanding, via back channels, that the US make concessions so that the threat to GCC States is lessened.

Trump is going to have to re-define "victory" and then claim the US has achieved it, whatever he decides it will be. It is highly unlikely to be even as good as what Obama achieved with the JCPOA back in 2015. So all the death and destruction and higher prices and lost trust and respect is what Trump will have paid to not even get back to status quo ante 2015.

China also knows this, so on Trump's upcoming visit, China will somehow come out the hero in US-Iran negotiations. China will call the shots, and sell it to Trump by granting business concessions and making "deals" with Junior and Eric. Xi knows how to butter Trump's bread.

2 hours ago, D Peter said:

The CIA gave a report yesterday. Iran might go on months ahead (till the midterms??) with their strategy. Even missiles have been destroyed not even half. Oil is going to other harbours or being transported by pipe lines.

So the loser is ??? And who is humiliated?? NOT IRAN

Trump never listens to the CIA.

He only listens to those who spend most of their time on the links, or selling houses, and dilapidated real-estate.

4 hours ago, dinsdale said:

navigation passage in the middle.

What a JOKE.....!

Do you really think you can navigate the middle of the Hormuz?

And then, all will be equal?

Get real.

I grant you the Scarlet Letter award.....

5 hours ago, dinsdale said:

Be good to see the actual proposal from the regime but my guess is they want to keep their enrichment processing capability, their 460 kg of 60% enriched material and some sort of control over the Strait of Hormuz. REJECTED.

Lets not forget that according to Trump, their enrichment processing capability was obliterated in June during 'Operation Midnight Hammer'. Lets also not forget that Netanyahu has been claiming, fraudulently, since the early nineties that Iran was months away from getting the bomb. You do not seem to understand that Trump did not need to start this disastrous war and clearly did so at the behest of Bibi, who assured him that the regime would capitulate and that it would be a quick win for him. According to several sources, as a consequence Tumo is now very disappointed in him. What happened to the tilt towards the Asia-Pacific? As a result of geography Iran will always control the Strait of Hormuz. To think otherwise is a fools errand.

28 minutes ago, Wingate said:

In terms of holding the cards, all Iran needs is a pair of twos, because Trump's hand is 7 high, various suits.

As more information comes out---in addition to the WaPo article about Iran's missiles and its ability to endure a blockade---it seems the US is rather hamstrung. It's Gulf bases were hit precisely (probably with Russian intel) so that the runways are currently unusable. Saudi and Kuwait have rescinded US overflight approval, so forget B2 bombers flying from the US, unless they want to use a wildly circuitous route. Ship-borne fighter/bomber aircraft cannot reach distant targets in Iran, due to the overflight restrictions. Cruise missiles on location are depleted, others must be moved from places like South Korea, Japan and Europe, and total existing inventories are low.

I would guess the "ceasefire" was driven in part by the paucity of US missiles.

Iran probably has pretty good intel from Russia about the extent of the damage to US bases in the Gulf, as well as US inventories of Cruise and Tomahawk missiles. Iran probably also knows the range any carrier-based aircraft can affect.

With Gulf nations now understanding that the US security umbrella has many holes, plus Patriot and THAAD systems are depleted---all while Iran still has 70% of its missile capability---the US has likely lost these rather new alliances. Gulf nations might be demanding, via back channels, that the US make concessions so that the threat to GCC States is lessened.

Trump is going to have to re-define "victory" and then claim the US has achieved it, whatever he decides it will be. It is highly unlikely to be even as good as what Obama achieved with the JCPOA back in 2015. So all the death and destruction and higher prices and lost trust and respect is what Trump will have paid to not even get back to status quo ante 2015.

China also knows this, so on Trump's upcoming visit, China will somehow come out the hero in US-Iran negotiations. China will call the shots, and sell it to Trump by granting business concessions and making "deals" with Junior and Eric. Xi knows how to butter Trump's bread.

Good analysis. It’s clear that the radicals are calling the shots in Iran. The top heavy Iran offer is designed to humiliate Trump and push him to the political and economic limits.

Iran is looking for a showdown with Israel which is now seen as the villain in this war together with USA. I fear for Israel as their defense system has been exposed by successful Iran’s missiles and drones. The next attacks on Israel will be likely to be catastrophic. Iran will also likely to destroy UAE which is Israel’s vassal state.

Israel will have to depend on Trump’s move for a land attack. Israel will not risked their military participating in any land invasion. A land assault will most likely be Trump’s last and fatal order as the citizens will run him out of the office.

Likely he will seat this out and just froze the war. He doesn’t care that the global economy will crater. Neither he care about the suffering of his own citizens.

Will Congress stepped in and do something or wait after mid-term to launch an impeachment to force him out of office. Or perhaps a divine intervention.

36 minutes ago, Eric Loh said:

Good analysis. It’s clear that the radicals are calling the shots in Iran. The top heavy Iran offer is designed to humiliate Trump and push him to the political and economic limits.

Iran is looking for a showdown with Israel which is now seen as the villain in this war together with USA. I fear for Israel as their defense system has been exposed by successful Iran’s missiles and drones. The next attacks on Israel will be likely to be catastrophic. Iran will also likely to destroy UAE which is Israel’s vassal state.

Israel will have to depend on Trump’s move for a land attack. Israel will not risked their military participating in any land invasion. A land assault will most likely be Trump’s last and fatal order as the citizens will run him out of the office.

Likely he will seat this out and just froze the war. He doesn’t care that the global economy will crater. Neither he care about the suffering of his own citizens.

Will Congress stepped in and do something or wait after mid-term to launch an impeachment to force him out of office. Or perhaps a divine intervention.

"wait after mid-term to launch an impeachment to force him out of office." really like to know how you expect this to happen ?? Trump is a narcissist craves power he will not go he is already starting to bypass your constitution for a third term, he started the insurrection with his proud boys he is in for life !!

53 minutes ago, Eric Loh said:

Good analysis. It’s clear that the radicals are calling the shots in Iran. The top heavy Iran offer is designed to humiliate Trump and push him to the political and economic limits.

More importantly, who's calling the shots over in America?

Good for Iran not caving in.

Keep hammering that Zionist apartheid genocidal state until it starts to look like Gaza.

5 minutes ago, DeaconJohn said:

Good for Iran not caving in.

Keep hammering that Zionist apartheid genocidal state until it starts to look like Gaza.

Good for the goose.....

Good for the gander.....

I always say.

12 minutes ago, MikeandDow said:

"wait after mid-term to launch an impeachment to force him out of office." really like to know how you expect this to happen ?? Trump is a narcissist craves power he will not go he is already starting to bypass your constitution for a third term, he started the insurrection with his proud boys he is in for life !!

It depends on the impeachment language. If the impeachment is centered on the 25th Amendment, he can be removed. This is the Jamie Raskin's plan. Under Section 4 of the 25th Amendment, Trump can be removed without his consent when proven that he is unable to discharge the powers and duties of his office. Trump can fight back with backing of GOP senate and House speaker but he doesn't get the presidency back just be saying so as the authority rest with a panel of high-level officials. They will decide if the President is fit for office or bebate this in Congress. A second insurrection will be hard for his loyalists in Congress to accept and he may not get his Maga supporters to rally for his cause.

5 hours ago, dinsdale said:

These are some of the demands I've just seen.

Ending the blockade

Freedom to export oil

Ceasefire in Lebanon

Removing US sanctions

Unfreezing Iranian Assets

and this is the one which obviously is unacceptable

Iranian control of the Strait of Hormuz.

Prior to 28 February none of those points were a problem. I am not suggesting that it is justified, but if Iran is now claiming control of the Strait of Hormuz then it is a direct result of Trump's actions and that is where the blame lies.

56 minutes ago, RayC said:

Prior to 28 February none of those points were a problem. I am not suggesting that it is justified, but if Iran is now claiming control of the Strait of Hormuz then it is a direct result of Trump's actions and that is where the blame lies.

On the other hand if the regime was allowed to develop nukes then they could control the Strait anytime they wanted. Sea traffic was brought to a halt simply with the threat of mines.

1 hour ago, Eric Loh said:

It depends on the impeachment language. If the impeachment is centered on the 25th Amendment, he can be removed. This is the Jamie Raskin's plan. Under Section 4 of the 25th Amendment, Trump can be removed without his consent when proven that he is unable to discharge the powers and duties of his office. Trump can fight back with backing of GOP senate and House speaker but he doesn't get the presidency back just be saying so as the authority rest with a panel of high-level officials. They will decide if the President is fit for office or bebate this in Congress. A second insurrection will be hard for his loyalists in Congress to accept and he may not get his Maga supporters to rally for his cause.

The james Raskin is proposed legislation. believe me the guy trump is a narcissist he will not go his mob the Hegseth, vance lot will all defend this, YOU yanks have a dictator as a president, the legislation like what Raskin is proposing should have been in law a long time ago, trump is already looking for a 3rd term you yanks a really stupid !

41 minutes ago, dinsdale said:

On the other hand if the regime was allowed to develop nukes then they could control the Strait anytime they wanted. Sea traffic was brought to a halt simply with the threat of mines.

I supose you belive trump in that he said Iran was weeks away from having a nuke !! more fool you !! expert agree iran was 1.5 to 2 years away yes they had 60% enriched uranium as uranium hexafluoride gas that needs to reach 90% weapons grade thats not the hard part could take weeks the hard part is Weaponization which could take up to 2 years

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/iran-was-nowhere-close-to-a-nuclear-bomb-experts-say/

https://www.congress.gov/crs-product/IF12106

The amount of chaos Trump has caused for the entire planet with his unnecessary forever war is astounding. It was sich a bad choice and the timing could not have been worse, as the world economy is already challenged enough. This means nothing to him as his wealth continues to grow through massive corruption.

What did they think was going to happen with the strait and why did they think they could handle the consequences of this recklessness?

Trump deserves severe punishment for this act. America will be reaping the blowback for years to come and nobody knows how long the chaos will last.

Dumb and dumber. Pure Don style stupidity and staggering levels of ignorance and hubris.

The only good that can come from this is if MAGA devotees finally realize what a dunce they supported and rise up against this street trash pig president.

One of the biggest liabilities that Trump had leading up to this war was the decision to use two absolute imbeciles in the form of Witkoff and Kushner. They are both rabid Zionists, they both deliberately lied to Iran during the negotiations in order to fool them into thinking that the US was sincere, and look at the outcome that we have.

The thing that a very tiny mind like Trump doesn't get is that Iran will not negotiate with the US at this point. Many reports are coming out that Witkoff is begging the Iranian foreign minister for meetings and his calls are not being returned. 

The US has backed themselves into a corner and the economic devastation has been way beyond what they anticipated, and the price they're going to pay for this in the midterms is going to be brutal. Unchecked inflation, rising unemployment, the closing of hundreds of thousands of small businesses, no return of manufacturing to the US, a shortage of labor due to extreme and short sighted immigration policy, and the abandonment of any hope that Trump would improve the quality of life for Americans, but instead we get sabotage of those hopes for the entire planet.

Don's demise will be a good thing, as Trump will lose his power and he will just become a whiny gutter trash punk, will have to deal with being doubly impotent, and hopefully he will eventually disappear into oblivion. Morbid sickness is quite likely, considering his rapid decline, and his three or four cheeseburger a day diet.

See ya Don. You will not be missed, the world will celebrate your demise with such glee, millions will take to the streets and welcome the return of civility, decency, honor, grace and hope.

American author Chris Hedges writes: “Violence does not generate peace. It generates violence. “If there is one lesson we should have learned in Afghanistan, Iraq, Syria and Libya, it is that regime change spawns Frankensteinian monsters of our own making.”

The American leader is meant to be a unifier, a strong and soothing presence in the world. Trump is an anarchic toddler, constantly causing upheaval across the globe, transgressing and remaking everything in his helter-skelter image. He has no interest in fireside chats; he wants to set fires.

He’s more about droit du seigneur than noblesse oblige. He feels entitled to whatever he wants, from Greenland to Canada to the Kennedy Center to a Nobel Prize he didn’t win. Unlike previous presidents, he isn’t countering Russia; he’s catering to it. He disparaged the NATO troops who died for us in Afghanistan and belittled our nicest neighbor, claiming that “Canada lives because of the United States.”

Respected academic Professor

Jeffrey Sachs says said Trump, with his unlawful actions, has positioned the US as a “global thug”. So who is going to stop the global thug?

Russia is knee-deep in its invasion of Ukraine. Does it hold any moral authority to admonish Trump over Venezuela?

China is champing at the bit itching to take Taiwan by force. India is just about one incident away from formally declaring war against eternal enemy Pakistan. What about the multi-lateral structures?

The bad news is that almighty Trump is thumbing his nose at all of them.

https://share.google/shFjZIx5Ciu3W7MGy

Trump promised to end American adventures overseas, and reel in the involvement in more overseas conflicts, yet in the past year it would appear he has done the exact opposite of that. Does this mean he's abandoning his base and is betraying the ideals of MAGA?

I'd be curious to look at a worldwide survey and see who the average world citizen is more afraid of at this point in time. Putin, Xi or Trump?

My guess it would be Trump, since he has shown himself to be a War President, a warmonger, unafraid to break the law, and unafraid to act without congressional approval. He just might be the most dangerous man on the planet at the moment. And it's very likely Miller and Vance are number two and three.

15 minutes ago, spidermike007 said:

The amount of chaos Trump has caused for the entire planet with his unnecessary forever war is astounding. It was sich a bad choice and the timing could not have been worse, as the world economy is already challenged enough. This means nothing to him as his wealth continues to grow through massive corruption.

What did they think was going to happen with the strait and why did they think they could handle the consequences of this recklessness?

Trump deserves severe punishment for this act. America will be reaping the blowback for years to come and nobody knows how long the chaos will last.

Dumb and dumber. Pure Don style stupidity and staggering levels of ignorance and hubris.

The only good that can come from this is if MAGA devotees finally realize what a dunce they supported and rise up against this street trash pig president.

One of the biggest liabilities that Trump had leading up to this war was the decision to use two absolute imbeciles in the form of Witkoff and Kushner. They are both rabid Zionists, they both deliberately lied to Iran during the negotiations in order to fool them into thinking that the US was sincere, and look at the outcome that we have.

The thing that a very tiny mind like Trump doesn't get is that Iran will not negotiate with the US at this point. Many reports are coming out that Witkoff is begging the Iranian foreign minister for meetings and his calls are not being returned. 

The US has backed themselves into a corner and the economic devastation has been way beyond what they anticipated, and the price they're going to pay for this in the midterms is going to be brutal. Unchecked inflation, rising unemployment, the closing of hundreds of thousands of small businesses, no return of manufacturing to the US, a shortage of labor due to extreme and short sighted immigration policy, and the abandonment of any hope that Trump would improve the quality of life for Americans, but instead we get sabotage of those hopes for the entire planet.

Don's demise will be a good thing, as Trump will lose his power and he will just become a whiny gutter trash punk, will have to deal with being doubly impotent, and hopefully he will eventually disappear into oblivion. Morbid sickness is quite likely, considering his rapid decline, and his three or four cheeseburger a day diet.

See ya Don. You will not be missed, the world will celebrate your demise with such glee, millions will take to the streets and welcome the return of civility, decency, honor, grace and hope.

This is all well and good but the sane yanks need to look at how you are going to remove him as he WILL not go quietly

12 hours ago, GammaGlobulin said:

He should get rid of his own stockpile of nukes, FIRST.

He should set a good example for the world.

Benji?

His hands are unclean.

Such an uplifting theme song for The BB:

The whole world is watching YOU...BB.

The entire world is watching YOU....Benji......

Thanks for EVERYTHING......you....nincompoop.....

The BB, the psychopath, needs to be voted out...and then....put in prison.

Such a war criminal, the world has seldom known.....

Why the nation has shown they are responsible of having them can Iran do and never said they can. if this point missing then your response is more than just nukes

1 minute ago, thailand49 said:

Why the nation has shown they are responsible of having them can Iran do and never said they can. if this point missing then your response is more than just nukes

Whatever.....but.....

Are you sure that you make sense?

1 minute ago, GammaGlobulin said:

Whatever.....but.....

Are you sure that you make sense?

If I don't make sense is because I'm trying to be polite but since you want a go!

Your reasoning makes no sense why because you have a dislike for Jews! and America so blinded by it that many like you endorse the killing by Iran for 47 years and that's part of the problem all one has to do is look in the mirror realize who you are and why all you do is b-t-h

2 hours ago, dinsdale said:

On the other hand if the regime was allowed to develop nukes then they could control the Strait anytime they wanted. Sea traffic was brought to a halt simply with the threat of mines.

A war predicated on a hypothetical. The rest is just an endless stream of, "What if...?"

1 minute ago, thailand49 said:

Who cares what is what! what is clear is you and your hate for Jews where you rather have Iran have nukes.

I don't need to hear about your family tree🤣

Bye horse sense!

Well, if YOU don't care What is What....

Then why should I....?