Two Jewish Men Stabbed in North London

7 minutes ago, RayC said:

understandable?

You understand why, right?

Thus it is understandable. 🙂

7 hours ago, JonnyF said:

Another import.

Somalian this time.

Links to Islamic groups.

Diversity is our greatest strength 3 times.

Let's not get onto gun deaths in the US - it's not good but it's very minor league compared to gun happy good old USA. But one death is a tragedy regardless of means.

2 minutes ago, Packer said:

• Statistical Spike: According to the FBI, anti-Muslim hate crimes in the U.S. skyrocketed from 28 incidents in 2000 to 481 in 2001, a 1,600% increase.

Any increase is regrettable but 481 hate crimes amongst a population of +/-300m people hardly represents mass retribution.

2 minutes ago, Packer said:

• Backlash Violence: This period saw a nationwide wave of murders, physical assaults, arson, and vandalism directed at people solely due to their actual or perceived religious or national background.

So no different to what is happening to Jews in the UK currently. It should be condemned no matter who is the target group.

2 minutes ago, Packer said:

• Persistent Elevated Levels: Although numbers eventually tapered off from the immediate post-9/11 peak, hate crimes against Muslims have never returned to pre-2001 levels

🙂

A trend which is also reflected in attacks against Jews in the UK. Unfortunately, I doubt that attacks against this group will return to pre-2001 levels either.

Rather than say, "I condemn attacks against innocent civilians due to their actual or perceived religious or national background BUT ...", why not simply replace the 'BUT' with a '.'?

21 minutes ago, Packer said:

You understand why, right?

Thus it is understandable. 🙂

Yes I understand. You seek to excuse attacks on members of the Jewish community in the UK because of the actions of the Israeli government.

As I implied previously, many British Jews do not approve of the actions of the Israeli government but you even refuse to condemn attacks on this sub-group.

10 minutes ago, RayC said:

hardly represents mass retribution.

9/11 wasn't a military and official state sponsored act. 50,000 women and children weren't shot or blown up. Incomparable to what the so called Jewish Homeland has been doing the last 2.5 years. 🙂

5 minutes ago, RayC said:

You seek to excuse attacks on members of the Jewish community in the UK

I am not excusing anything. I am explaining why such things are happening, why they will continue to happen, likely on much greater scales, and not only in the UK. No Jew is safe anywhere in the world, and will not be safe anytime soon. No Jew is safe. They can thank Bibi and the actions of the Jewish forces in the so called Jewish Homeland. You don't get to gleefully massacre 50,000 Muslim women and children while Muslims outnumber you 125 to 1 around the world. 🙂

39 minutes ago, Packer said:

9/11 wasn't a military and official state sponsored act. 50,000 women and children weren't shot or blown up. Incomparable to what the so called Jewish Homeland has been doing the last 2.5 years. 🙂

I am not excusing anything. I am explaining why such things are happening, why they will continue to happen, likely on much greater scales, and not only in the UK. No Jew is safe anywhere in the world, and will not be safe anytime soon. No Jew is safe. They can thank Bibi and the actions of the Jewish forces in the so called Jewish Homeland. You don't get to gleefully massacre 50,000 Muslim women and children while Muslims outnumber you 125 to 1 around the world. 🙂

Of course it's a tragedy when two innocent people are attacked in broad daylight, without there being a reason.........but perhaps the reason is that Israel, once seen as a "shining light in the gloom" has become a state which murders innocent Palestinians, kills the Palestinian settlers on their own land, then seizes it and is bombing the hell out of its neighbours, indiscriminately, killing innocent women and children in the hope that the world believes they are chasing terrorists.

All the while that this goes on, there will be many folk who will begin to despise Israel and the Israelis and it's not hard to see why.

7 hours ago, Deerculler said:

Israel brought this on themselves.

Jews are becoming hated all around the world.

They are looking like the second calling of Nazi's.

A second calling of the Nazis ?Ridiculous comment. Israel was brutally attacked by Palestinians, supported by Iran, with atrocities being committed even on young babies. A very tough response is entirely justified.

34 minutes ago, Packer said:

9/11 wasn't a military and official state sponsored act. 50,000 women and children weren't shot or blown up. Incomparable to what the so called Jewish Homeland has been doing the last 2.5 years. 🙂

I am not excusing anything. I am explaining why such things are happening, why they will continue to happen, likely on much greater scales, and not only in the UK. No Jew is safe anywhere in the world, and will not be safe anytime soon. No Jew is safe. They can thank Bibi and the actions of the Jewish forces in the so called Jewish Homeland. You don't get to gleefully massacre 50,000 Muslim women and children while Muslims outnumber you 125 to 1 around the world. 🙂

"I am not excusing anything". That is exactly what you are doing.

You refuse to condemn the attacks on innocent civilians on the streets of London by insisting that they are "understandable" - in other words, justified - in the light of the actions taken by the Israeli government.

You attempt to excuse the 9/11 attacks on the basis that they were not state sponsored - which is debatable; at the very least, the Taliban-led Afghanistan government consented to the presence of Al-Qaïda Training camps on their territory - and casually dismiss the deaths of 2,977 people on that day because it is less than 50,000 deaths over the course of two years.

To top things off, you conclude by apparently taking pleasure in the belief that attacks on Jews around the world will increase in frequency and intensity. Nice.

2 hours ago, pacovl46 said:

Ashkenazi Jews are only Jews because they were put under pressure by the Christians and the Muslims to join them back in the day. Since they didn't want to join either one of them, they converted to Judaism, but their ancestry is clearly eastern European, and the only way they can be linked genetically to the Biblical jews is, if they married into a family that has that ancestry. And yes, not all Jews are zionists and it'ssuch a shame that now potentially innocent people have to die in locations around the world for the actions of their genoxidal government in Israel, BUT the overwhelming majority of citizens in Israel are supportive of the actions of their government. That's simply a fact and I don't see any Jews in the UK or Germany protesting much against the actions of their zionistic regime either. The real problem is the indoctrination and the hatred of rhe zionists. Quite a lot of then are totally brainwashed and utterly believe the 'God's chosen people' bullsh.t. Thank God the days and age when they got away with their propaganda bullsh.t are over now.

The irony is that literally everything that's happening against Jews can be laid directly at the feet of the zionists. They brought this upon themselves and now potentially innocent people are paying the price for it!

Also, given the fact how many innocent people were killed by the IDF in Gaza and elsewhere, I'm not surprised that this type of attack is happening in the UK. Getmany is gonna get some of rhat as well for absolutely blindly still supporting Israel and then they wonder why this should.t happens. How blind can you be?

Filled with extreme misinformation about both Ashkenazi Jews and Zionism.

18 minutes ago, xylophone said:

Of course it's a tragedy when two innocent people are attacked in broad daylight, without there being a reason.........but perhaps the reason is that Israel, once seen as a "shining light in the gloom" has become a state which murders innocent Palestinians, kills the Palestinian settlers on their own land, then seizes it and is bombing the hell out of its neighbours, indiscriminately, killing innocent women and children in the hope that the world believes they are chasing terrorists.

All the while that this goes on, there will be many folk who will begin to despise Israel and the Israelis and it's not hard to see why.

It is a slippery slope where attacks on civilians in the UK can be 'excused' because the targeted civilians happen to share the same religion as the leaders of a foreign government.

What next? As a Brit should I expect to be punished for the 'sins of my fathers' i.e. atrocities carried out by the British governments in the 18th/ 19th/ 20th century to support imperial ambitions?

2 minutes ago, RayC said:

It is a slippery slope where attacks on civilians in the UK can be 'excused' because the targeted civilians happen to share the same religion as the leaders of a foreign government.

What next? As a Brit should I expect to be punished for the 'sins of my fathers' i.e. atrocities carried out by the British governments in the 18th/ 19th/ 20th century to support imperial ambitions?

2 minutes ago, RayC said:

It is a slippery slope where attacks on civilians in the UK can be 'excused' because the targeted civilians happen to share the same religion as the leaders of a foreign government.

What next? As a Brit should I expect to be punished for the 'sins of my fathers' i.e. atrocities carried out by the British governments in the 18th/ 19th/ 20th century to support imperial ambitions?

2 minutes ago, RayC said:

It is a slippery slope where attacks on civilians in the UK can be 'excused' because the targeted civilians happen to share the same religion as the leaders of a foreign government.

What next? As a Brit should I expect to be punished for the 'sins of my fathers' i.e. atrocities carried out by the British governments in the 18th/ 19th/ 20th century to support imperial ambitions?

Agreed but in the case of Jews, Jewish is both a religion and a people (ethnoreligious group).

49 minutes ago, RayC said:

2,977 people

49 minutes ago, RayC said:

50,000

50,000 are just the number of women and children. Not the number of deaths. 🙂

4 hours ago, fredwiggy said:

Distinction: Unlike religious art, which acts as a focal point for prayer (e.g., statues, crucifixes), a graven image is meant to be the deity or a false vessel for its power. God created life, humans, and human emotions, meaning he understands love. This is also seen by the beauty of the world, along with the food and drink.

Everything else I mentioned earlier, meaning we don't live that long anyway, compared to forever. I also said religions are man made. God isn't. Man made the problems because we can do what we want. That there are consequences is why we believe in him. A better life after this one. No control, as we have those choices. He does want us to live good lives. If we followed his commandments we would have good lives. Rebellion against those is what causes most problems

You are interpreting worshipping a carved image of JC in a Christian way, I am interpreting it exactly as it was written. At the time there was no JC and any carving of god would have been a graven image, I think we can agree on that?

Therefore after JC we can reinterpret it in a different way that suits us and just say it’s not the same?

I don’t think we can say god created life and therefore the beauty of everything related. Unless you’re happy to say god created the single cell amoeba from which all beauty came millions of years later. We do share 20-40% of our DNA with amoeba.

Did god really plan for it all to take millions of years? And there goes another lie, he didn’t create us in his own image.

I think you are conflating his commandments with good moral values. I have good moral values but I don’t even consider his commandments as they are mostly a subset of my own. I prefer to say rebellion against good moral values is what causes most problems.

We will have to disagree on whether god is man made, I believe he is. The descriptions of him from religious texts doesn’t pass the test of goodness or the test of time.

How often do you beat your slave btw?

6 minutes ago, JBChiangRai said:

You are interpreting worshipping a carved image of JC in a Christian way, I am interpreting it exactly as it was written. At the time there was no JC and any carving of god would have been a graven image, I think we can agree on that?

Therefore after JC we can reinterpret it in a different way that suits us and just say it’s not the same?

I don’t think we can say god created life and therefore the beauty of everything related. Unless you’re happy to say god created the single cell amoeba from which all beauty came millions of years later. We do share 20-40% of our DNA with amoeba.

Did god really plan for it all to take millions of years? And there goes another lie, he didn’t create us in his own image.

I think you are conflating his commandments with good moral values. I have good moral values but I don’t even consider his commandments as they are mostly a subset of my own. I prefer to say rebellion against good moral values is what causes most problems.

We will have to disagree on whether god is man made, I believe he is. The descriptions of him from religious texts doesn’t pass the test of goodness or the test of time.

How often do you beat your slave btw?

I'm interpreting it as it is defined. Anything that's God or Jesus oriented isn't to be taken as a graven image but a reminder of what it represents. No one who's alive has ever seen God, so we can only think about what he looks like.

God created everything and had a reason for it, even though some things here piss us off, they still do have some worth, even though the quantities of some I question, meaning certain insects.

If you look at just the beauty of a woman, can you think that happened from nothing? There is no other explanation on how the universe came to be, as matter doesn't come from nothingness, especially in all it's diverse, yes DNA itself, a wonder.

What people did before God's laws were brought forth were to act like animals, with some more aggressive than others by nature or nurture. That's why God had Moses bring forth more humanity, laws to protect us, and to praise our creator, no matter how much we don't understand what he did.

No one has ever been a slave to me.

28 minutes ago, Packer said:

50,000 are just the number of women and children. Not the number of deaths. 🙂

Blame that all on Hamas .

There would be zero deaths if it wasn't for Hamas .

32 minutes ago, Packer said:

50,000 are just the number of women and children. Not the number of deaths. 🙂

And still you won't condemn the attack on two innocent members of the Jewish community in London yesterday.

4 minutes ago, fredwiggy said:

I'm interpreting it as it is defined. Anything that's God or Jesus oriented isn't to be taken as a graven image but a reminder of what it represents. No one who's alive has ever seen God, so we can only think about what he looks like.

God created everything and had a reason for it, even though some things here piss us off, they still do have some worth, even though the quantities of some I question, meaning certain insects.

If you look at just the beauty of a woman, can you think that happened from nothing? There is no other explanation on how the universe came to be, as matter doesn't come from nothingness, especially in all it's diverse, yes DNA itself, a wonder.

What people did before God's laws were brought forth were to act like animals, with some more aggressive than others by nature or nurture. That's why God had Moses bring forth more humanity, laws to protect us, and to praise our creator, no matter how much we don't understand what he did.

No one has ever been a slave to me.

You’re clearly rejecting Darwinism.

We know how we evolved, and trust me, prehistoric women (our ancestors) were not beautiful.

If I could give you one takeaway, it is research everything you believe from your religion. Do it in detail.

You believe the universe was started by god, you have as much evidence as it being started from a custard pudding.

You’ve drunk the bible koolaid and believe god created us in his own image, but science tells us we came from evolution.

Science has evidence, you have faith.

I believe it’s important you question things and do your own research.

Start with what is the bible? Many Christians believe it’s the word of god, except we know it was all written by man.

Some say they were divinely guided, how does that fit in with the inquisition? The Russian Patriarch saying invading Ukraine is a blessed by god. If divinely guided why all the blessings for keeping slaves? It’s ok according to god’s laws but my superior moral values tells me it’s not.

19 hours ago, Patong2021 said:

There is no justification for a violent attack on peaceful non combatant UK nationals.

But compare this with the actions of Axel Rudakubana who murdered 3 young girls and attempted to murder a further 10. The authorities went to great lengths not to make that attack terrorist related. This case is only attempted murder and almost immediately is declared terrorist related. What is going on here?

2 minutes ago, Geoff914 said:

But compare this with the actions of Axel Rudakubana who murdered 3 young girls and attempted to murder a further 10. The authorities went to great lengths not to make that attack terrorist related. This case is only attempted murder and almost immediately is declared terrorist related. What is going on here?

AR wasn't a terrorist. He was a severely disturbed individual.

There's a good chance that the Somali-born attacker is a Muslim who attacked Jews. Plus Harakat Ashab al-Yamin al-Islamiya, a pro-Iran group, has claimed responsibility for the stabbing.

6 minutes ago, NanLaew said:

AR wasn't a terrorist. He was a severely disturbed individual.

There's a good chance that the Somali-born attacker is a Muslim who attacked Jews. Plus Harakat Ashab al-Yamin al-Islamiya, a pro-Iran group, has claimed responsibility for the stabbing.

Severely disturbed my 8r5e. He was very much a terrorist. Was it ricin he was in possession of?

1 minute ago, Geoff914 said:

Severely disturbed my 8r5e. He was very much a terrorist. Was it ricin he was in possession of?

Oh, so your question was rhetorical?

I see.

8 hours ago, Packer said:

"the land of freedom"

Haha. Good one. 🙂

Freedom for any jew to buy a machine gun, if in the correct state. Come on by with your black Hugo Boss suit sometime LOL.

Nothing scares a jew hater more than an armed Jew because they are not only armed, but smarter and tougher.

25 minutes ago, Geoff914 said:

almost immediately is declared terrorist related. What is going on here?

It is a landmark event that could very well become daily around the world. Jews getting stabbed, perhaps to death, by Muslims, due to what the Jewish force in the so called Jewish Homeland has (and is) doing to Muslims (50,000 women and children massacred by laughing Jews, as their social media videos show). No Jew is safe, anywhere in the world now.

Oh Bibi.

10 hours ago, save the frogs said:

Yeah, Jews in Texas. lol.

Please welcome all the way from Kazahkstan, Borat and his Cowboy Astana Band.

Give him a nice round of hoot and holler.

In my country there is problem.

They take everybody money and they never give it back.

Oh look, another one LOL

40 minutes ago, RayC said:

And still you won't condemn the attack on two innocent members of the Jewish community in London yesterday.

Of course not. He revels in it.

Israel's politics and stances are putting all the jews of the world at risk just like the islamic terrorists are doing so in giving a bad image of the moderate and integrated muslim communities globally.

4 minutes ago, Yagoda said:

Oh look, another one LOL

another what?

another person who yawns at fake news.

anybody can get stabbed in the street anywhere in the world at any time for no apparent reason.

i've nearly been attacked several times.

i won't lose any sleep over these articles.

2 minutes ago, JBChiangRai said:

You’re clearly rejecting Darwinism.

We know how we evolved, and trust me, prehistoric women (our ancestors) were not beautiful.

If I could give you one takeaway, it is research everything you believe from your religion. Do it in detail.

You believe the universe was started by god, you have as much evidence as it being started from a custard pudding.

You’ve drunk the bible koolaid and believe god created us in his own image, but science tells us we came from evolution.

Science has evidence, you have faith.

I believe it’s important you question things and do your own research.

Start with what is the bible? Many Christians believe it’s the word of god, except we know it was all written by man.

Some say they were divinely guided, how does that fit in with the inquisition? The Russian Patriarch saying invading Ukraine is a blessed by god. If divinely guided why all the blessings for keeping slaves? It’s ok according to god’s laws but my superior moral values tells me it’s not.

No, some have theories how we evolved, but that still doesn't mean there isn't a God, even if it were true. Faith is why we believe without having more evidence, but looking at all of creation and thinking it just happened is ludicrous. I was raised Catholic, but since have been just a Christian, not needing certain things Catholicism has, as praying to people isn't necessary. Science cannot prove or disprove of an Adam and Eve.

Nothing to do with being brainwashed but looking at things in a sensible way. You can be trained as a child but still grow to an adult that can question what you were taught. Yes, the Bible was written by man with God's direction. We weren't there, so there's no dismissing it. Just other's opinions, like much of science.

Also again, what man has done wrong isn't from God but man's thinking. We were not around when other human types were created, so don't know all of how they appeared, as skull imagery isn't an exact science, although somewhat close.

51 minutes ago, JBChiangRai said:

25 minutes ago, NanLaew said:

Oh, so your question was rhetorical?

I see.

So do you disagree that he was in possession of materials to make ricin? Does that or does that not make him a terrorist?

And xxx children and civilians were shot this morning in Gaza and Lebanon. Killing any innocent, be then jews, muslims, christians or whatever, is wrong and a crime. So what is the UN, America or Europe doing against any war crimes committed by any Nation ?