raven0099

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Thanks everyone for your quick and detailed responce

I have another two questions , 1. my fiance has been married before and is now officially divorced , do i need to provide this divorce certificate along with the affirmation to marry ? Translated to english ?

2. I take it we both have to provide our documents to the embassy in bangkok to register along with this affirmation to marry ? so we both need to attend in person ?

Sorry if ive missed something in your previous posts but it all seems a bit confusing and i was working nightshift last night which doesnt help.

but thanks for helping

Good Day

I hope someone can help me and give me a few pointers regarding my queries below

1. Firstly i need the affirmation to marry document link ? , also am i correct in saying this needs to be translated into thai ?

2. Do i have to get this certified in bangkok ?

3. Do we both need to stay in Bangkok for x number of days to register our marrige ?

4. What other documents do i require i assume , birth cert , passport , anything else ?

5. What documents does my gf require to register our marrige ?

6. Fees ?

7. Local amphur for udon thani ?

8. Anything else i need to know ?

Thanks

We got the visa !

i dont know if its just me being paranoid

It is, so don't be, raven - and cross's sister!

You are still allowed to express an opinion and, as 7by7 said, how on earth could an ECO link an online poster with a particular visa application?

yes youre right , but im not posting again for a while , im fed up with all the negative comments , and people that are looking to argue

cheers

Hello and good morning

Thats it for me i wont be posting anymore info or posts on this forum , at the moment im going to work away and save some money and put the visa to the back of my mind for the time being , likely to go for application in april after songkran , this gives me more time to save and build up evidence , Thanks to all the people who have helped , and to the rest up to you !

Cheers

Raven0099

Posts on this forum are anonymous. So even if they did read it, how would they associate a particular post with one of the 20,000 plus applications they recieve each year?

im not putting anymore info on this forum , i dont know if its just me being paranoid but there does seem to be a lot of detail questions getting asked ?, there are also a great number of people who want to slag you off ! or put your case down all the time ! , guys like 7by7 have been great and i appreciate all your help and advice , but i think im going to leave it for a while now , ill try for the visa and see how it goes , if refused i have an agent with a glowing reputation who is well priced , ill maybe use him , at the end of the day ive done nothing wrong and im having a real relatioship so sooner or later we will get the visa

cheers

raven0099

Within this thread, the OP has had sound advice off three (no less!) ex-employees of the UK Border Agency, yet seems to persevere in the belief that he must be right because their suggestions do not fit what he wants to hear.

In such a circumstance, it can only be suggested that the application is made 'as is', and the end result will be the arbiter.

Scouse.

What have i said then thats arguing with other peoples points or advice its an open discussion and im taking in what im being told , so whats the problem ?

Within this thread, the OP has had sound advice off three (no less!) ex-employees of the UK Border Agency, yet seems to persevere in the belief that he must be right because their suggestions do not fit what he wants to hear.

In such a circumstance, it can only be suggested that the application is made 'as is', and the end result will be the arbiter.

Scouse.

who are the ex border agents ?

i do value everyones advice and im listening to what there saying i know its not going to be easy !

john

do you work at the visa centre ?

your ashamed for your race ! lets see how much of a pin up you are then ?

post a picture of yourself

Here you go

just like i thought

a coward !

Saying that 50% or more women in Thailand have been involved in the P4P business is assuming that 50% of the Thai women are actually attractive enough to do it.

If you live in Thailand, just go out in the street and check around you, how many women are looking attractive? Just a few.

You should take a look at some white guys women, some times I'm ashamed for my race!

As the Thai guys like to say "where do white men find such ugly women"

Mark45y: I've enjoyed some of your posts on other threads, but you are seriously mistaken in your quoted estimate of "pros" and the proportion of Thai women who P4P (which presumably refers to anonymous, short-term sex for a fee).

Why would you assume that, I once employed a girl to be my 'pretend wife' (mia chow) and live with me for 9 months (while I was looking for a proper wife), she was still a ho! Why just include 'anonymous, short-time' transactions in the definition.

your ashamed for your race ! lets see how much of a pin up you are then ?

post a picture of yourself

I just want to make sure I understand this.

It's the middle of winter in Scotland. You get about 7 hours of daylight every day. You have a full time job with possible overtime.

What the hel_l is she going to do in daylight hours when you're not there? Is she going to sit indoors with the heating on maximum watching DVDs or go outside and watch the icicles melting?

Have you really thought this through seriously?

have i really thought this threw , yes i have

i work day shifts and nite shifts , i actually only work 6 months of the year

why are you being so negative ?

Please note this is from another thread , but this guy got the visa and only had 2 grand in the bank ?

My thai gf successfully got her visitor visa today!

We had known each other only 6 months, met only once in Thailand, I had £2000 savings and she had no real reason to return to Thailand.

So I hope this inspires confidence for other people, what I did was send as much relevant documentation as I could, be completely open and transparent and just make clear that our relationship was genuine.

Thanks for everyone's help, especially to 7by7! Good luck to everyone in getting their visas!

did you get the visa ?

You on the other hand have a pretty comfortable standard of living in the UK, you have a job, money in the bank and a house.

Maybe I've mis-read this. I thought the OP had savings of between 1,000 and 2,000 pounds; with all due respect, I would hardly call that "comfortable", nor would I call it suficient to support someone else on holiday for a couple of months in the winter who is coming with nothing, has nothing, and is leaving nothing behind except a daughter she rarely sees and does not support.

Let's get real here.

Hi John at the moment i have £2400 saved by the time we apply for the visa this figure should be about £4500 , do you still think this is not enough ?

Just to add i earn about 35k a year , last year i earned 40k , i have a few debts loan , 2 credit cards, im trying to clear at the moment so thats why i only have 2400 now , lets say i go there we apply for the visa , i have 4500 in the bank , now lets take off 2000 for her costs to travel to my home , it wont be as much as that but lets use that figure , then i have 2500 left , now every month after bills i will have about 900 pounds for food , fuel for my car and any entertainments we go to , that means during the course of her holiday im going to have an extra 1800 on top of my 2500 left , call it 4300 pounds , surley thats enough for us to live off for the two months ?

If i get extra over time at my work some months i can take home between 200 or 300 pounds more , its not guarenteed but we do get overtime occasionaly

You on the other hand have a pretty comfortable standard of living in the UK, you have a job, money in the bank and a house.

Maybe I've mis-read this. I thought the OP had savings of between 1,000 and 2,000 pounds; with all due respect, I would hardly call that "comfortable", nor would I call it suficient to support someone else on holiday for a couple of months in the winter who is coming with nothing, has nothing, and is leaving nothing behind except a daughter she rarely sees and does not support.

Let's get real here.

Hi John at the moment i have £2400 saved by the time we apply for the visa this figure should be about £4500 , do you still think this is not enough ?

You've had good advice here my two bahts worth is ( without wanted to sound alarmist ) your short time of aquaintance.

As said the vital thing is reason for return.

If it is possible and she can give her daughter as a reason as well as other things it carries some weight because she then has dependence.

The reason I tell you this is my wife now but when girlfriend she came to England and the lady in the UK Embassy told her to make sure she put down her son first as one of the reasons for return.

You can say in your letter that you will be supporting her daughter in Thailand while she is staying with you in England.

Good that you are going with her but what ever you do , do not lose your rag !!!! A must with icing on top. Goodluck Buddy.

But the daughter doesnt stay with her she stays with the ex hubby in chumpon , and my gf is from udon , she doesnt support the daughter but does go to visit 3 or 4 times a year ?

A very long time ago, I worked for an embassy (not the UK). My opinion is a little jaded because I worked in the 'rejection review' unit. This was for people who had been rejected but asked for a review. Your scenario was a very common one and the rejection rate was quite high. Few were overturned on review.

Officers get jumpy if could even remotely be considered some sort of human trafficking case, for one (and that's a big issue right now). Second,they get pretty jumpy if they think you'll run off and get married and cut into the queue that way. Finally, they get concerned that she might just run off and live happily ever after without you, but in the UK.

As you describe the situation, this is a developing relationship that is likely to end up in marriage. That's a whole different kettle of fish to an officer than a simple tourist visa.

However, remember there is nothing wrong with applying and trying. The most they can say is 'no' and this doesn't mean the next time will be a no. If this one fails, the next one may have a better chance. Persistence pays off in these situations.

When you say its a whole different kettle of fish if the relationship ends in marrige , do you mean its makes the outcome of approval more likley or not ?

What about if i said that i plan to take a year out from my work in the future and live in thailand for a year and teach english which is something i have been thinking about , this would obviously be after we marry and after she had stayed in the uk for a year or two

Im going to try and see if she can get some documents to show ownership of her house , not sure whats involved with that but ill tell her tommorow we are going to need this ,

I also would include that im planning to go back to thailand to marry in maybe april songkran or later in the summer , but this obviously depends on what she thinks about my country and whether she could live here , and before that can happen she needs to make a trip here , its a catch 22 situation !

Thanks for your help guys i really appreciate all your advice

the reason we are not applying before i go there is that , my girlfriend is not confident about submitting the application alone , we were using a visa agent but decided to go it alone , therefore were goin to need a couple of days to sort out all the paperwork go through everything together and do the application , then travel to Bangkok and submit the application ,

the reason its only 2 months we are applying for is because , we feel thats best as it will be a real shock having to face a Scottish winter and she may get homesick , so its just to see how things go ,

She is 25 years old , she has had financial support for the last 9 months from me , to pay for bike , air con , electric and food

Has done various jobs all cash in hand

No records of regular income but does have a bank account

She has a daughter who lives with the exhusband

Her house is right next to her brothers , the brother runs the family buisness

What happens then to someone who does try to stay after thier visa ? , do they not send them back anyway and ban them from applying to stay here ? Thats the reason she would return were not trying to pull a fast one , we are having a genuine relationship and want to spend two months together in my country to allow our relationship to move forward , we may marry in the future and if we do then yes she would be moving to the uk ,

Would it help if i had a letter from my local mp ?

i think if we can show that we understand the terms of the visa , and answer all the doubts that the person may have in the sponsors letter and tell everything true and honest , there goin to say yes this meets the requried criteria and they have shown the relationship is genuine , so lets give them the visa.

Im trying to think positve and hoping a very well written and clear sponsors letter will sway them the right way , im also going to get my girlfriend to write her own letter with a description of when we met , our plans etc , and how she understands all about the terms of the visa ,

Financially costs for her trip will be flights and travel expenses paid by me , then additional costs are if we eat out , increased food costs , costs for days out , maybe some winter clothing , we will be staying at my house , visiting friends and family , going to a local music festival ill just explain this all to them without writing 5000 words to bore them to death , but it will include everything they need to know.

But i know it maybe works nothing like that ?

yes you have missed the most important thing, her reason to return to thailand????

Ok thanks Tigerjohn

So basically her reason to return to Thailand is that " we understand the terms of the visa that Miss x must return to thailand at the end of her visa and we understand that not complying with these terms would result in a refusal or banning for further visas , as we both want to be together it would be lunacy for Miss X not to return to Thailand , therefore under no circumstances would she be intending to not comply with the terms of the visa. I would write something along the lines of this in my sponsors letter whether they would pay much attention to it i dont know ?

She also has the offer of her job back when she returns, we can probably get a letter stating this from her boss , although im unsure if he will be willing to do that as its cash in hand work ? Again we could state this in the sponsors letter or the offer of work cash in hand with her family , but would this get them into trouble ? According with what has been discussed in previous threads they are well aware this goes on and it shouldnt be a problem if its properly explained

If we cant get a letter from this work place she can get a letter to say there is work available to her in the family buisness again this is cash in hand work, they do have papers to show that they run a buisness

The small house she lives in was built for her by her mother and father , how ever there are no papers to show ownership , maybe we can get this but id imagine we would need to get a lawyer involved , her other asset is her motorbike which im paying for but its still in her name ,

Many Farang only know Pattaya thu Walking Street, Beach Road at night, Soi 5-6 and Gogo, and these girls are very sweet speaking...red warning!

Never get emotionally involved with prostitutes. All have a sad story, and man you can have a lot of empathie for them, but they have crossed the line between good and evil and will never come back.

Good luck with your marriage. Thai women are sweet and loving, not like most arrogant Western girls. They are also very crazy at time which make the life more fun.

Can you provide a link that proves "ALL" have a sad story, and as for that crap,

"They have crossed the line between good and evil and will never come back"

<deleted> I nearly spit my coffee all over my PC when I read that crap, get a life <deleted>, try talking to some bar girls/prostitutes and ask them why they do it, you might get a suprise when you get the answers...Maybe your a troll or a missionary..

Speaking about bgs ( prostitutes)...Ask them why they do it and chances are they will lie to you....I have been in Thailand for 15 years and trust me there are some sweethearts who have to support their family and kids but most are in it only for the money. They do it only for the money ! They will tell you anything and most of us believe because we want to. I know young sweethearts who have computers, motorbikes, cell phones(all paid for) and money in the bank but are still in the game. They talk about sending money home to mama and papa but they never or nearly never do. They are in it for their own gain. They go out and party every night and treat their friend and Thai guys and act like they are rich...for what ??? Would a girl in the UK or America do the same to make 50 % or perhaps 150% more money in a month than they can normally, I think not ! Take off your rose color glasses...they are hookers and you should not get involved except for a one night stand. I know many guys who have been taken for a ride...including me....and it never turns out in our favor. At the end of the day we ( most) are understanding and let it slide but it hurts and they don't give a rats ass. Sorry but I speak true !!!! so as they say " Never get emotionally involved with prostitutes."

Would a girl in the UK Or America do the same I think not you say

try telling that to Wayne Rooneys missus ! £1200 a night he was paying and the girls parents were minted !

I can tell you it does happen in the Uk and America however its a lot less common

We are looking to apply for the tourist visa and submit documents on the 7th or 8th of December with the intention of my partner travelling back with me on the 28th of December. No flights are booked for this but in my opinion i think it will be unlikely they give us an answer before i depart , but i hope they do. We are applying for two months visa , i will right a sponsor letter explaining how we met blah blah , what we plan to do during her trip and our future plans together.

The relationship will be a week or two short of a year at the time of applying , in that time i have made two additional trips to thailand and then the first one we met on , in total weve spent about 40 days together over the three trips , we have many photos of our time together 65 photos with us both in the picture many more pictures but not showing us at the same time maybe over 100 , several receipts from meals , cinema , seven eleven , that sort of things, there is a lot of evidence of phone calls and text messages , but not so many e-mails i mean what can you e-mail when you have talked about everything already for the day , most of the phone calls are from a cheap number , No records of web chatting

Im including copies of the following documents

6 months pay slips

Last P60

Letter from employer stating length of service , present salary and national insurance number

Birth certificate

Passport and visa stamp pages

Land Registry document and mortgage statement

two utility bills

Records of money transfers

6 months bank statements money fluctates up and down but only falls to £1000 a couple of times earlier in the year but more recently average at £2000 should be about £4000 by the time we apply

The down side is my gf has no real savings , works cash in hand 200 baht per day

Only started her job on the 1st Of Sep , previously worked cash in hand for the family when needed

but she has the new id card

blue family book details

passport already

utility bill for her air con pay monthly, my idea i couldnt sleep for the heat so i pay for this send money transfer every month

pays monthly for her motorbike should have papers in her name , i also pay for this as i destroyed her old motorbike

she has a lot of other papers as she got a list of whats required from her friend but im not sure what they all are

So what do you think ?

Have i missed anything ?

Thanks for taking the time to read this