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25 minutes ago, Pib said:
How did you get that notice? The reason I ask is because earlier today I saw some notification from DeeMoney appear on my smartphone, but when I went to open it it just disappeared. I looked in my SMS, email, and even opened the DeeMoney app on my phone looking for the notice, but couldn't find it. I was like whack a mole....popped up for a second and then disappeared.
When going to the DeeMoney website I see the three currencies you mentioned are no longer listed under the "Send To" selection.
The same thing happened to me Pib, the SMS appeared briefly and then vanished. Poof! However, I went to my account on the DeeMoney website, started to initiate a transfer, selected my U.S. bank as the recipient, and the evil notification popped up. What I posted above is an exact copy of the notification.
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1 hour ago, nikov said:
I would opt in paying 5,000 baht every three months instead of wasting my time with reporting. Too bad one can't tell if there will be other consequences than the fine. Eg. more difficult to apply for a permanent residency.
I dunno. However, technically speaking, the purpose of fines is to deter you from breaking the law. I don't think is is an option--at least not in principle--to pay the fine instead of complying with the regulations.
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2 hours ago, moto77 said:
Meh, just run.
No one has come to track me down and drag me back yet, mate.
Of course you both realize that slaves need work permits, dontcha?
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2 hours ago, Fairynuff said:
I’ve never done a 90 day report, I’ve never done a TM30. I never stay in the country long enough to do 90DR. In fact I’m rarely here more than 6 weeks. The prospect of endless TM30s or paying fines just because I travel both in and outside of the country isn’t very appealing. I may well listen to the fools whose first response will be “if you don’t like it go home”. This has been home for many years but it’s starting to feel like I’m an intruder in someone else’s home, or perhaps I always was.
Of course you always were an "intruder." Aside from the reporting requirements discussed on 16 pages here, no matter how long you live in Thailand, how many Thai spouses you have, no matter how many Thai children you have and support, you will never be a citizen. Becoming a permanent resident is possible, but hardly worth the bother. You will never own more than 49% of a business and will be required to have a work permit if you perform any work for your own company. You will never own property except a condo with 51% Thai ownership of the building. If you are employed, your work permit "marries" you to that one employer. All of us here make our peace with that to one degree or another, or we leave.
However, if you didn't mention that you were talking about Thailand, and described what I have just outlined to someone shopping around for a place to live or retire, I doubt that you would make any sales! Understandably so!- 2
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5 hours ago, SammyT said:Given the 90 day check in rule has been around a while, I'm sure your employers probably knew of the rules when they established your position or hired a westerner, so it would be strange if they were to get too bent out of shape about it. My employers understand the Thai immigration system and afford me all the time I need to ensure I am here legally. They see it as going hand-in-hand with employing a westerner in Thailand.
When I start my own police state, I am going to make sure it is filled with lots of people like you who will bend over and take whatever I care to dish out!
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5 hours ago, SammyT said:
I don't think you understand the true definition of a police state. I've been able to live my life hassle and worry free, throughout all coups and martial law.
Not all "police states" are alike, and a state does not have to be Nazi Germany to be a police state:
https://www.dictionary.com/browse/police-statepolice state
noun
a nation in which the police, especially a secret police, summarily suppresses any social,economic, or political act that conflicts with governmental policy.- 1
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5 hours ago, GeorgeCross said:yep all true thailand didn't change the rules until forced too after various govs refused to provide the evidence needed by them. they could have just said "your problem" and made everyone affected switch to 800K method (or go home) but came up with another avenue that should only have been a minor inconvenience to those applying within the current rules.
no one is forcing anyone to use it though or making things tougher (more money,etc)
thats my take anyway
Huh? No, Thailand didn't change the rules. Not such an easy thing to do, and why bother if the embassies stop issuing income affidavits? It is quite clever and elegant, actually. Do you really think the motivation to stop issuing affidavits spontaneously occurred in the several countries during the same two week period? They just woke up one morning and decided to stop issuing affidavits? Of course not! There must have been some kind of a deal or politics or pressure applied by the Thais, and the embassies chose to comply. I would love to know more about what actually went on and how the decisions came about.
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5 hours ago, SammyT said:<snip> Me personally, I'd rather focus on the things I like about Thailand and not come across as the bitter man with the "white people smart, Thai people stupid" complex that plenty on here have.
This is the first honest thing you have said in this thread; and you are certainly entitled to your preferences for what you would rather focus on and how you would like to come across. I seem to recall that Nazis, Soviets, Milošević's Serbia and other places were about as white as you can possibly get, but had no compunctions about instituting similar draconian measures regarding freedom movement and privacy as we see in Thailand today.
As I have said before on these forums, I do a continuing cost-benefit analysis of my situation in Thailand, and if the red line ever tips more to the disadvantages column than the advantages, I out of here, and don't stand in the doorway lest you get trampled on my way out! However, just because I remain here and have things that I like and do not like, that does not mean that I should shut my mouth and only focus on the things that you prefer me to focus on, thank you very much.- 3
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5 hours ago, Gecko123 said:
<snip>It's also that foreigners are the ones that are being forced to make the "landlord" comply with the TM-30 report, and that this report has to be refiled everytime you stay overnight in another province. Again, it is the foreigner who most often is being fined if the report is not properly filed, not the landlord. <snip>
The word "forced" here is appropriate. If a Thai spouse is the owner, obviously, the falang does not want them to get fined, so must supervise the process, especially if spousey is not on the ball with those kind of details. Even if the owner is a strictly commercial relationship, and the falang is within his rights to insist that it is the owner's responsibility, the Thai owner may not bee to keen to continue renting to said falang after getting fined, especially if the TM30 is inconvenient for owners who are no nearby. Still, it might help if enough Thai owners found this oppressive, and inconvenient and just plain silly. Or maybe not.
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5 hours ago, SammyT said:Nope, if you come on an open forum and discuss how much you hate the Thai law enforcement but loved British law enforcement, it's a logical question to ask why you don't leave the country you appear to hate so much. If those sorts of questions bother you, I'd suggest you take your own advice? As you said, it's an open forum.
Every expat knows the 90 day reporting rule. Some choose to ignore it so immigration target them. It's not really the robbery you suggested.
It is not even remotely a "logical question." It is passive-aggressive BS. If you don't like reading opinions you don't care for, why don't YOU move to London? Hell, it's a logical question!
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5 hours ago, essox essox said:
can not one do 90 day report ONLINE????
You know, I have mixed feelings about putting this stuff online and making it easy. It may be easier, but it is the same draconian principle at work, lull you into a false sense of security like the little froggies in the cook pot slowly brought to a boil.????????????
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5 hours ago, SammyT said:Surely move to London then, if you love it that much? Or would you rather stay here and complain about everything, just because the cost of living and the cost of romance is cheaper? Take the good with the bad, my friend.
You are only going to give the guy two choices? Surely you are more creative than that!
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5 hours ago, lazeeboy said:
I was registered and stayed at a hotel one night next 90 day report fined 1600 baht
You were fined B1,600 for do what ( or not doing what) exactly?
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5 hours ago, PingRoundTheWorld said:
Maybe on the lower end of the market where there are plenty of Thais they could rent to instead. On the higher end though they might not have much of a choice.
That would be in direct proportion to how inconvenient is is for the owner to file the TM30, such as some who travels or actually resides at some distance from the rental property.
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5 minutes ago, bkk6060 said:
And 10 more Chinese coming will more then make up for it so no one cares.
Those 10 Chinese--assuming they are in fact coming, which I doubt--are not going to compensate the care facility for the loss of a patient and the B86K per month. Not that my heart bleeds for the care facility, but to be technical, they are one of the victims here.
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58 minutes ago, Rocking Robert said:
She till needs insurance . Not cheap at 77
Not possible at 77, and even if it were, no coverage for pre-existing conditions.
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1 hour ago, sambum said:
"Application provider of Immigration Bureau - According to section 38 of the 1979 immigration act, "House owners, heads of household, landlords or managers of hotels who accommodate foreign nationals on a temporary basis who stay in the kingdom legally, must notify the local immigration authorities within 24 hours from the time of arrival of the foreign national via Mobile Application"
What about the illegal ones?
Dude! Can't you read??? Obviously, if you are illegal, not need to report. Honestly, doI have to think of everything???
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2 hours ago, GroveHillWanderer said:
Some foreigners certainly are. Remember the Erawan Shrine bombing? As I recall it, one of the reasons it took the police so long to find some of the suspected perpetrators was because they had changed addresses several times and the owners or house masters had not reported then via TM-30.
If memory serves, it was also after this bombing that we first started hearing that the authorities were going to start cracking down on people not submitting TM-30's.
How unsporting for terrorists to change their addresses so often!
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5 hours ago, Wilsonandson said:What is the use of this information? Why does the police need to know everywhere I am at all times? Are foreigners a danger to Thai's?
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I have an oblique sense of humor sometimes, and sometimes enjoy mocking some of the idiotic things going on here, but I don't really complain much and don't support "Thai-bashing." HOWEVER, this reporting regulation is more disturbing to me than any other thing I can think of in Thailand (I wonder if I should report that family of Jews hiding in my attic?). Fortunately (I guess it is fortunate), this regulation has little practical impact. At least I hope it doesn't. I don't know whether making it easier is a good idea or not; it's like the frog getting comfortable in the pot of hot water as the temperature slowly increases. I avoid using these kinds of comparisons, but at its heart it is the sort of draconian control you would expect to see in fascists states and Soviet style Communism. It doesn't seem to bother OPs as much as it does me. Maybe I am just being hypersensitive . . . Naw!
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1 hour ago, James Powell said:Glad to hear that. I am sick and tired of hearing this shit from farang in Ubon, and online isn't any better. To paraphrase what we say in my country, "Thailand...love or leave it!" Personally, I just love it. If you do not, you really should consider packing your bags for Singapore or back home. I lived in England two years, dismal weather, dismal people, horrible food.
Yeah. But what if he doesn't, as you say, "love it" in the place he goes to???? I guess his only choice then is to keep moving on or kill himself! Surely, in the 21st Century, Please Gawd! no one is required to view the world in such a rigid, black and white frame as "love it or leave it!"
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7 hours ago, crazygreg44 said:
"The Atlanta native said she was not angry with Thai immigration - the family just couldn't keep their mother here when the rules changed"
. . .the Thai Immigration rules never changed.
It was the U.S. Embassy that stopped issueing "Income Affidavits" for the 86,000 THB she paid monthly for her Mum's care home. Actually the Embassy had in the meantime lied on her behalf - the payments were in no way any "income" of her Mum. She even mentioned this hard fact in her first statement, but this got snowed under in all the following comments.
Personally I had wished for a solution offered by an Immigration Boss, because they are entitled to be lenient with some individual cases, and that sadly never happened
Why change the rules when it was apparently much easier to persuade the (was it 3?) embassies to change their policy regarding affidavits.
The embassy certainly did not lie on her behalf, or on the behalf of anyone else. All it does is witness and notarized sworn affidavits. If notaries had to swear to the truth of statements they notarized, they would all be in jail! There is an assumption there there has been widespread perjury by falang, but so far as I know, no one has been formally accused, let alone convicted in a crime in connection with the affidavits.- 1
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4 hours ago, Thaidream said:
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As you can see- my idea is everyone can buy into insurance after they arrive in Thailand. I am not an actuary and not privy to exact numbers in Thailand but simple Math shows there would be a huge pool of money and probably enough to put the Thai Government Health System in the black as opposed to its current deficit.
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They could even charge the greasy infidels a predatory surcharge to join national health care. That wouldn't be fair, but I would not be opposed to it. In fact, I would be happy to pay. Depending on your age, it would be better than paying BOOOPA B70k-B80K per year for almost useless coverage.
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5 hours ago, SheungWan said:
Probably because the money didn't come in as monthly 65,000 baht equivalent from abroad. That's a general ruling, yes?
Then where did the money come from, the tooth faerie? ????
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Non O (Multi Entry) no longer issued at Royal Thai Embassy in London - new financial requirements for Single Entry Tourist Visas (SETV)
in Thai Visas, Residency, and Work Permits
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And I hope you will be as icy-Objectivist and faux-Stoic when they come for you!