mogoso

If I said snow was white you'd disagree....you haven't read anything I said....or if you did you couldn't understand it......as I've repeatedly said I'll not be drawn into such a fatuous argument when it involves the "brainless and unhinged" such as yourself.

However I'm always amused (it's a masochist thing) to read/listen to the rantings of such amoeba-related mono-cellular efforts at thought processes and on top of that I've had the sadistic pleasure getting you to reply with some more your drivel....get some therapy!

My God! What a crashing bore you are and now it's there for all to see!

I see your usual style of debate is on full bore, throw insults and slurs to detract from the issue.

A quote from an article by Dr. Timothy Ball and Tom Harris

"Science advancesThrough hypotheses based on a set of assumptions. Other scientists challenge and test those assumptions in what philosopher Karl Popper called the practice of 'falsability' Trying to prove hypotheses is what science is all about. Yet the hypotheses than human addition of CO2 would lead to significant enhanced greenhouse warming was quickly accepted without this normal challenge. As Dr. Richard S. Lindzen, Professor of Meteorology, Atmosphere, and Planetary Sciences said" the consenses was reached before the science had even begun. Adherents to the hypotheses began to defend the increasingly indefensible by lauching personal attacks, essentially trying to frighten the scientific opponents into silence."

Once again I submit the question, if the global warming has made the earth too hot, what is or should be the correct or ideal temperature? Surely all those scientists that you favor must have an answer to that. After all you follow them blindly, but be careful chicken little the shy might be falling.

I await your usual diatribe of insults and slurs instead of an answer.

One of my favorite books on the subject was written before the global warming hysteria. It by a French author Emmanuel Le Roy Ladurie. Published in 1967, translated in 1971. "Times of Feast, Times of Famine exams the ups and downs of climate utilizing among other things, the records from vineyards and historical accounts. But it seems vineyards are marvelous keepers of data, from crop yields and how that particular vintage turns out to wheter the season was dry rainy hot or cool. Theres no agenda in the book pro or con climate change, only that it occurs.

It's quite wonderful....you really don't get the point do you?

It's YOU that I find so fascinating - not the debate - how on earth did you work out how to operate a computer? walk and talk at the same time? get house-trained?

If I wanted to discuss global warming or climate change do you seriously think I would even entertain the idea of doing it with something with the abysmally inadequate abilities of yourself - this thread is like the insect house at Regents zoo...you go to look at the creepy crawlies and shudder...this is a web site about all things pertaining to Thailand and the weird and wonderful wildlife therein of which you, sir, have got to be one of the weirdest - with the possible exception of the copy & paste perpetrator of sexual inexactitudes - Chloe - I just hope your cage is firmly locked!

Wow chicken little, I should be flattered that you find me fascinateing, but frankly I find it a bit repulsive as I don't travel that path.

Of which I might say your attacks on one of the few Thai women posters is as odious and immature as well as not generic to the conversation.

Be back to the subject at hand, as the good Dr. Lindzen stated personal attacks seem to be in order for the faithful of climate change. Notice I stress climate change particulary as the Bali UN meeting stress climate change in the meetings title.

As I keep saying its about the money, it has nothing to do with the science, if it was an open scientific debate in Bali that would be one thing, but dissenting scientists aren't allowed to attend www.heartland.org/Article.cfm?artId=22401

Neither are dissenting press, no credentials issued.

So they (the UN) want the US to pony up a yearly payment of 40 billion to give to poorer countries because of climate change and the rest of the world to come up with another 40 million. Just a massive socialist scheme, with nothing but favorable press.

Really if you believe so much in what scientists tell you, this'll really worry you, it's big.

www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/main.jhtml=earth/2007/11/21/scicosmos121xmlCMP=ILC-mostviewedbox

As this thread really has played out, but I had company and couldn't reply sooner.

I'll look for your slurs, and personal attacks as a reply.

Having spent most of my life in Hawaii [the land of flipflops] i have become somewhat of an expert on many brands and agree that Scotts used to be my favorite, but found a local brand that outlast scotts. not available in superstores or shoe shops, but in local thai markets and the brand name is 'satelite'....look like scotts and wear longer for only 59bhatt. i bring them back as gifts when i return to the islands and others agree that they are the best.

I wish I could find a pair to fit, I wear a size 14 shoe. It's a problem finding a pair that I like in the US, the land of big feet, so its impossible or near so in Thailand. I did have some made in Chiang Mai some years ago, they put them on a size 13 sole, but they worked well enough.

I met a thai girl whom i married that had never set foot in a bar, 15 years uni educated, writing a novel..in English! makes more money than me and pays for everything and is currently building me a house IN MY NAME so there makes me famous 4 sure

Touche El Zorro

If I said snow was white you'd disagree....you haven't read anything I said....or if you did you couldn't understand it......as I've repeatedly said I'll not be drawn into such a fatuous argument when it involves the "brainless and unhinged" such as yourself.

However I'm always amused (it's a masochist thing) to read/listen to the rantings of such amoeba-related mono-cellular efforts at thought processes and on top of that I've had the sadistic pleasure getting you to reply with some more your drivel....get some therapy!

My God! What a crashing bore you are and now it's there for all to see!

I see your usual style of debate is on full bore, throw insults and slurs to detract from the issue.

A quote from an article by Dr. Timothy Ball and Tom Harris

"Science advancesThrough hypotheses based on a set of assumptions. Other scientists challenge and test those assumptions in what philosopher Karl Popper called the practice of 'falsability' Trying to prove hypotheses is what science is all about. Yet the hypotheses than human addition of CO2 would lead to significant enhanced greenhouse warming was quickly accepted without this normal challenge. As Dr. Richard S. Lindzen, Professor of Meteorology, Atmosphere, and Planetary Sciences said" the consenses was reached before the science had even begun. Adherents to the hypotheses began to defend the increasingly indefensible by lauching personal attacks, essentially trying to frighten the scientific opponents into silence."

Once again I submit the question, if the global warming has made the earth too hot, what is or should be the correct or ideal temperature? Surely all those scientists that you favor must have an answer to that. After all you follow them blindly, but be careful chicken little the shy might be falling.

I await your usual diatribe of insults and slurs instead of an answer.

One of my favorite books on the subject was written before the global warming hysteria. It by a French author Emmanuel Le Roy Ladurie. Published in 1967, translated in 1971. "Times of Feast, Times of Famine exams the ups and downs of climate utilizing among other things, the records from vineyards and historical accounts. But it seems vineyards are marvelous keepers of data, from crop yields and how that particular vintage turns out to wheter the season was dry rainy hot or cool. Theres no agenda in the book pro or con climate change, only that it occurs.

And to whom was he to deliver this sh*t?

The usual suspects?

"Big fancy words from such a small minded mean spirited oaf. I wish you follow the last 5 words of your diatribe."

Well I'm flattered if you think my words are "big and fancy" that says a lot more about you than me. Basically as you seem to have missed the point it is an appraisal of the people and arguments presented on this thread and quite well founded an coherent, if somewhat derogatory....you seem to be including yourself - well that's the first sensible thing you've done.

No what it means is your an over educated person embittered by the fact you wasted the education by accomplishing nothing substantial in your life.

You lash out at others who don't cowtow to your way of thinking, who don't bend to your will. But its the same in the real world away from the computer, and it makes the bile crawl up your throat.

Meanwhile I'll still keep plugging away to utilize my resources in an energy efficent lifestyle.

One of my top sales items in recent years has been solar water heaters for pools. I believe totally in renewable resources particularily in my own life, and have for over 40 years.

But I cannot buy the claptrap being pushed down my throat by gov'ts and Goreites such as yourself.

It's all about the money.

What a combination.....Ignorant and paranoid.......the rest I would take as a compliment...it also shows how if you make up things about other posters you must be incapable of formulating a rational argument which is as I have explained why I'm only interested in the standard of idiocy of your ilk, not in debating the undebatable.

Now I haven't made up anything. You point to things that are made up such as the hockey stick computer graph as the gospel truth, when it has been debunked by OS Card in his book about it. Now that program was doctored and proved wrong mathematically by Card.

You speak of Al Gore as if he's a god, when its been shown in a British court that 15 of the statements in his book are factually incorrect and others were certainly questionable. Now I don't know much about about the British court system, but I do know its a difficult task to obtain this type of judgement. My friend was sued in British court by a fool named David Irving, a holocost denier, and won her case against him. I've read her book and spoken to her about this, it was a long process and expensive.

So some of your sources are more than suspect.

You discount historical and geologic evidence of past global warmings and coolings as being generic to whats occurring today.

You discard evidence of solar activity as not important.

When faced with giving answers you once again go to name calling.

Just answer this, if its too hot now, what should the correct or ideal temperature be?

I've stated all along its about money. In Bali at the Climate Change (as the earths been cooling the last three years they can't call it global warming) conference, its been proposed that a climate tax be taken and administered by the UN. The proposal calls for 80 billion dollars be raised annually with 40 billion put in by the US and the rest put in by other affluent countries. The money will then be put into "less fortunate" nations cofers. Income redistribution.

Why would the US who is now argueably second in oil usage have to pay half? The now largest user and the worlds biggest polluter (China) would be exempt. With the demise of the dollar, the strength of the Euro you'd think Europe might pick up a bigger share.

But really it doesn't matter to me as I don't think any money should go to them bandits at the UN

At the start of the 1900's massive air pollution was making people sick in New York City. It was causing diseases carried by water such as cholera, peoples lungs were in terrible shape from the dust created by this pollution. The stench was horrible. The private sector provided the solution, the automobile. The polluter, 200,000 horses that traveled throughout the city.

This to me sounds alot like a kind of fishing we call TROLLING. Bu tof course you have to follow the lure and take the bait for that to work.

When I first came to Thailand I too thought of river or freshwater fish as less clean or tasty than saltwater fish as I'd grown up by the sea and was used to fresh seafood. However, once over the mental aspects of it, and able to taste what they have here on offer for its own sake, I can say nothing but good things about the freshwater fish - both wild and farm raised. Pla Tabtim is one of the best fish I've ever eaten. It is flaky, juicy, and has a mouthfeel almost reminiscent of salmon. Likely because of the high belly fat content. I'm a so-so fan of Pla Nin (Tilapia), and am quite happy to score myself a BBQ Catfish -Pla Duk - every now n then. They're all good and even worthy of bragging rights. If you think you can taste some mud maybe your fish was improperly cleaned or sat around long. I don't buy a blanket put-down of Thai freshwater fish. No way, no how.

And by the by... I rarely bother with shellfish or ocean fish in Chiang Mai... because it's from very far away and after many many days...and rumors are that alot of it - some shellfish and squids especially, get a little dousing of formaldehyde to keep them from turning. But I likes me food formaldehyde free. That's too literal a preservative for me.

I was raised a block from the ocean on the west coast of florida. My step daddies nickname was grandaddy grouper, lord knows he caught enough of them. We ate seafood almost daily. Now I live away from the ocean and must buy my fish at the local markets.

The rule of thumb I follow is clear of eye, lack of smell and body condition. If any of those things are not kosher, I don't get that fish.

"fall" is not even proper English.

Yes it is. The English used it before they even colonised Virginia, the folks that went over on the "Mayflower" (The ones in the funny big hats) took it with them.

(P.S. I'm not American, by the way, but someone loosely studying the English language for 60 years. Still hoping to learn some more, but the "plurry" thing keeps changing........ )

Mayflower didn't go to Virgimia, it went to Plymouth, Mass. They wore the funny party hats.

The colony in Virginia was Jamestown and it failed.

Are you sure thats an army Fiat, dont look the right colour to me.

Camouflage

Because I do not live in Thailand full-time, I probably notice things expats do not notice. One thing I did notice last week was the number of unshaven males in Bangkok travelling on the Skytrain. By comparison, it appears Thai ladies pay special attention to their appearance.

A large number of Thai males with wispy facial hair and unshaven farangs with two or more days' growth. While the farangs looked like they were tourists, I consider a daily shave essential - even on holidays. As a tourist, I consider myself an ambassador for my country and I try to look clean and tidy at all times.

Am I too critical or should some males pay more attention to their appearance?

Peter

Since I recieved my discharge from the Army in 1969, I have cared little for shaving everyday. I do it as often as I feel like it. once twice three four five or no times a week. I just don't give a rats butt.

I have a <deleted> machu that I do keep trimmed to usually no longer than 3 inches below my chin, but sometimes I let it go longer. I don't care what men do with their facial hair, but I admit its a turnoff to see those ladies with mustaches. Get some wax ladies.

Maybe the poll/question should have asked for the respondents to specify where they live. Those who live outside Thailand will obviously have less access to it.

We presently live in the US. I cook breakfast, my wife handles dinner. Breakfast is standard fare, but dinner is a culinary delight. My wife cooks Thai and cooks well. (aroy mak mak)

My stomach is very happy. There isn't much sold in Thailand that isn't sold here in our myriad of asian farmers markets. The few things she can't get here ( mostly favorite spices)are brought back in luggage. We finally have beer Chang in stores, so I'm happy.

I will do the occasional lasagna, chicken pot pie, thankgiving dinner, etc but now concentrating on my baking, pies breads and cookies

I arrive at the TV forum via The Nation's site. Today I see that the temp on.

If I do come to LOS could anyone give me an idea of what kinds of warm gear I should bring? Is Goretex the go now? Should I perhaps just stay here and slowly freeze to death next winter, or can I survive do you think, in LOS's colder but not really cold weather? What am I saying...it's warmer isn't it...yes????

Sincere questions., one and all. I hate the cold and can't wait for GLOWARM to really kick in.

Oh, is the sun still out for as many hours as it was 16 years ago, oldtimers? Do the evenings get chilly at about 5pm nowadays? What are the water temps doing? Are they way down? Or way up???

Golly gee I'm confused. Please Mama tell me what's going on.......

The temp in Chiang Mai today -------80-53f

Koh Samui----------------82-74

Korat----------------------80-59

Nong Khai-----------------77-57

Lampang------------------81-51

Sydney Aust----------------------71-65

It sounds perfectly delightful in all those places, while here in the sunny south of the US it'll be 57-39f

BTW most folks don't spend much time at the top of mountains, which although might be cooler offers no skiing. The Thais do ski, but it'll be on the top of water.

BTW I ain't your mama

Thanks for the comments.

Dustoff: How can I find an "Embassy certified translation shop", no luck looking on the Bangkok US Embassy website.

Mosha: What sort of documents did you bring to the Ampur to get a Thai marriage certificate?

I don't know about BKK as I live in Chiang Mai but someone at the Embassy should be able to direct you to the one(s) they accept and prefer. The Chiang Mai one is right next to the Consulate.

You may wish to be careful about registering at the Amphur and/or getting a Thai marriage certificate. Just my opinion but since you are already married, it could be a bit sticky to have to explain sometime down the road why you married the same person twice on two different dates and in two different countries. I would speak with an attorney or someone at the Embassy before risking a legal and an illegal marriage...

Simpler yet, perhaps have your current cert translated then have your wife approach the Amphur and see what they say.

I recall seeing them near the Embassy in Bangkok. Someone on board will be specific I'm sure

On my last visit to Pattaya in August i saw drunken young farangs throwing bottles at passing cars etc and they think its like theUK or Australia where the Police will come out and give them a slap on the hand,but i dont think they realise it doesnt seem to be like that in Thailand,yes they can assault Police in the UK or Australia and problay just get a fine but i dont know what will happen to you if you assault a police officer in Thailand.

I've seen the results of a bottle thrown and intercepted by a persons head that I knew. It became life threatening and took several operations over a period of years. Someone either drunk or sober needs more than a slap on the hand who throws bottles at another human being.

I would hazard a quess that the OPs family is quite large and that the 6 "adopted"kids are not adopted in the western sense ,but are offspring of family members who have a child and within weeks pass the child on to the matriarch of the family and hotfoot it to Bangkok to work at whatever their occupation may be.

You cannot give village folk a stipend and then dictate how it is to be spent ,whether they spend wisely or piss it up on easy living and rice whiskey its up to them,if you want to give them a monthly cash present ,just give it and dont worry about what its used for .

The culture of Thai villagers generally is not of betterment in the sense that we use the word but of seeming to be doing better than their peers,which can mean having a better mobile phone or being able to buy a bottle of hooch anytime they wish..

I speak from hard learned experience as I live in a village,plus I paid off the family debt and made sure that my TW,s 5 brothers and sisters received clear title to 3 rai each of river frontage rice land ,but getting any of the lazy sods to improve their life by doing a second cash crop per year ,you have got to be joking.

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We have 15 rai that we rent to rice growers, who also grow beans as a second crop. Its good for the soil and provides that second bit of income for my MIL who we let keep the cash as her yearly descretionary income. We provide monthly for her as well. Not so much money and we know what her monthly costs are. My mother in laws always been really good about how she spends money. Shes taught her daughter to be thrifty, for which I'm grateful

Does not mean the monkies gave you the infection, if you did it under water, coral does infect cuts easily.

I have 2 monkies, they have scratched me and bit me at times, but never infected in any way whatsoever.

Actually I did it pulling myself on board, doctor who treated infection specifically asked if had handled any animals.

While i agree with the sentiment in this case...some interaction and photos with the right type of animals is actually a good thing for people and the animals in the long term.

I was visiting a buddy in Honduras years back. He had a monkey for a pet. Cute little guy, it would just be up to little comic escapes that would make you laugh. He was very hands on loved to be held and carried around perched on your shoulder.

My friend flew us in his piper cub to San Pedro de Sula for our flight back to the US, and of course the monkey was with us.

I'd cut my hand a little while diving and had a small cut. no more than a boo boo, but it was maybe 12 hours or more between hand washing. Ended up with a pretty bad infection in the hand.

Since then its been hands off of the monkeys.

What a shame, the loss to her family is immeasurable. My deepest sympathy to them.

I do hope there is conclusive DNA match and the killer gets the maximum sentence. If that be death so be it.

My wife, who is Thai, recently gave birth to our first child (a daughter). I applied for and received a US passport for our daughter, and also applied for a US Social Security number. As those who have done it know, there's a lot of paperwork and running around involved -- you have to get the Thai birth records, marriage certificates, etc. translated into English, get the translations certified at the Office of Foreign Affairs on Chaeng Wattana Road, then submit the certified documents to the US Embassy. They issue the passport and an official Consular Record of Birth Abroad, give you an application form for the SSN, and several more documents (certified by consular staff) that have to be sent to the US Social Security office in the Philippines.

After I did all that, I seemingly received nothing from Manila. I recently commented to my wife that it seemed like it was taking a long time for the SSN to come back. She said, "Oh, it came last month -- I saw an official-looking envelope from the Philippines in the mail. Didn't YOU see it?" An exhaustive search of the house turned up nothing. It appears that either my parents-in-law (who live with us and bring in the mail since they are home in the daytime) or, more likely, the housekeeper, didn't recognize it as important (it was in English, after all) and threw it away without my ever knowing it had come.

I feel like weeping at the thought of starting the documentary certification and application process over again. Furthermore, having already issued a SSN to my daughter, I doubt the SS office would issue another one. Anybody out there know what I should do? If I contact the SS office in Manila, can they send me a new package (including SS card) to replace the lost one?

Many thanks.

I don't know how difficult its going to be to find out just what they sent, I can only wish you well in your quest.

I know it'll be tough especially when you descibe the circumstances to them.

"Big fancy words from such a small minded mean spirited oaf. I wish you follow the last 5 words of your diatribe."

Well I'm flattered if you think my words are "big and fancy" that says a lot more about you than me. Basically as you seem to have missed the point it is an appraisal of the people and arguments presented on this thread and quite well founded an coherent, if somewhat derogatory....you seem to be including yourself - well that's the first sensible thing you've done.

No what it means is your an over educated person embittered by the fact you wasted the education by accomplishing nothing substantial in your life.

You lash out at others who don't cowtow to your way of thinking, who don't bend to your will. But its the same in the real world away from the computer, and it makes the bile crawl up your throat.

Meanwhile I'll still keep plugging away to utilize my resources in an energy efficent lifestyle.

One of my top sales items in recent years has been solar water heaters for pools. I believe totally in renewable resources particularily in my own life, and have for over 40 years.

But I cannot buy the claptrap being pushed down my throat by gov'ts and Goreites such as yourself.

It's all about the money.

The most interesting thing about this thread is not the topic or the arguments or their paucity but the outright ignorance of the flat earth brigade and the associated paranoia......

There is no discourse just a monotonous repetition of fallacious clap-trap by people who don't know their arse from a hole in the ground. A total failure to see reality as it is, to wake up and smell the coffee.

These are the kind of people who get drunk and fight because they can't put their ideas into words. people who laugh loudly in case others realise they haven't understood the joke, people who think that every ethnically different person is trying to rip them off.....that a conspiracy lies behind every govt. policy (they forget that they elected them, that it's OK to hold an opinion even though it can't hold water because they don't know how to reason or change their mind.

A viewpoint is something that deserves respect only if it is backed up by serious thought, logic or theory, but the flat earth brigade just spend their time regurgitating arguments that went out with the arc (they probably believe that AND Jonah and the whale too!)

I've explained that I consider any rational argument here to be a waste of time...pearl before swine......this is NOT and argument it's a joke! An arena for fools! A spitoonful of wasted bile from a bunch of vacuous entities whose intelligence would put them below the humble amoeba in the food chain....I'm surprised that the mods have let it straggle on as it has nothing to do with Thailand (or global warming or caring about it) - any visitor seeing te rubbish put forward in this thread would be well excused to take one look and never come back.....

Big fancy words from such a small minded mean spirited oaf. I wish you follow the last 5 words of your diatribe.

Mogoso - for God's sake - no everyone's sake - get some therapy!

....or at least let someone help you across the road.

Chicken little why don't you go stick your head in the sand, at least that way the sky won't fall on your head.

Disagreement with ones viewpoint doen't make a person crazy, after all I'm sure you believe the world isn't flat, that the tooth fairy doesn't exist. The purpose of a discourse is the exchange of ideas or opinions. If one doesn't agree with you, their obviously deranged or on drugs or drunk afterall your omnipotent and perfect.

Well your viewpoints aren't correct in my opinion, but many others agree with you. The difference you'll resort to personal attacks when confronted with questions you can't or won't answer. I will reply in kind, only to be truthful in real life I'm no where near as nice or restrained as I am on this forum. I have little or no tolerance for the intolerant.

But I will continue to state my opinions even faced with your odious buffonery.

If the US was allowed to build and obtain the same % of electrical power from nuclear

Actual fact is that these Greenpeace dudes are more worried of 200.000 years it takes that nuclear power emission (what's left after using it) to be more or less okay for nature. (Are yoou smarter than a 5th grader)

That's the correct answer. We don't need more nuclear plants to be started up in the US, we need France to dismantle thier nuke plants immediately. Just because France is America's enemy does not mean that they are everyone else's friend.

Naw I ain't smarter than a 5th grader. No one has one the million on that show.

We have some wonderful waste areas of land, that concrete encased waste can be buried without disturbing nature in any way. The surface above it wouldn't have a greater degree of radiation than occurs there naturally.

I don't look upon France as my enemy. The US and France have a long history of friendship. Like any long time friends we have disagreements, but remain friends, and probably will until Islamic gov't is installed in France in a few decades.

Even the founding father of Greenpeace says political activism has taken it over.

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Ok I give up. Trash the whole f=ucking planet if it gets yuor rocks off.

PS Have not eaten meat since 1974, unless it was pink and still moving.

Does that count?

I've followed the same plan since the day of my discharge from the Army in January of 1969

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