mamypoko

IMO. election (democracy) is one of the four pillars to fight corruption. The other is the progress and well being of the people. A judiciary free of politics. and a compassionate society.

Law or more laws is not the answer. Laws are made for those who are law abiding not the law breakers. Criminals are always ahead of the law. it only helps to prosecute and sentence. It is never a deterrent.

Education is not the solution either. Corrupt people are usually highly educated. Educating people on corruption only helps to understand what is and the consequence of corruption and in fact IMO increase corrupt practices.

I write this in context of the activity trying to block and nullify election and its result. People must be allowed to choose using their votes though democracy is not the only answer to all problems.

As democracy progress together with the progress on the well being (livelihoods) of the people, it becomes harder to encourage corruption. When we observe closely, people who are trying to avoid the people's right to elect are those who are corrupt. They are afraid of the people's mandate.

The 4 pillars of democracy - Justice, Equity, freedoms, representative.

I think the PTP version has 4 horses with Thaksin astride the frontmost tossing the hearts of the rice farmers for his hounds to chew

I was talking about fighting corruption not the 4 pillars of democracy.

You can vote PTP out - what is the problem?

When there are no mechanisms for dealing with cheating in the house, democracy feeds corruption absolutely as we saw in late 2013

Progress and well-being - so the sick are a bunch of cheats and the eminently healthy Thaksin is to be beatified for his purity?

Voting is the mechanism

UDD leader, Ko Tee.

Quoted as saying "I want there to be lots of violence to put an end to all this" and "I'm bored by speeches. It's time to clean the country, to get rid of the elite, all of them."

UDD principle #3 - To promote non-violence as our modus operandi for all activities.

He is supposed to set the example for his supporters as a leader yet he doesn't even adhere to his own principles.

​A lot of votes for the PTP will be out of fear.

You were doing fine until your last sentence. The people who voted for the PTP last time will vote for them again (minus the farmers who have suffered from the rice pledging scheme/scam). They didn't do so last time out of fear and they won't this time. Those who are anti-PTP have the perfect excuse not to vote in BKK constituencies. I imagine that were all the polling stations open, the PTP popular vote would be slightly down on last time, given abstentions due to the Dems boycott and political deadlock. However, the PTP would still have a majority of seats.

However, we all know the election results will be annulled anyway, so this is all academic.

It will still be interesting to see what percentage of people voted & what percentage of those votes went to the various parties & the no vote.

Sister-in-law just returned from voting in Ratchaburi - complained she only got 300 baht this time (someone is skimming off 200). Anyway, she voted NO. Politicians should not think their electorate is as stupid as they are.

Is there a 'NO' party or candidate? Perhaps the stupid supposition neither applies to the gov't or the electorate...but, elsewhere.

"Their goal is to nullify this election," Mr. Jarupong Ruengsuwan told reporters, "So be it ... No matter what the EC is doing, let them do it. It′s all a conspiracy"

Rattling a tin cup on the cell bars.

It's a conspiracy in itself to talk about conspiracies tis it not? Let's not speculate about speculation, or don't be too paranoid about rampant paranoia.

I'm not paranoid. But you all think I am, don't you? Don't you?

Don't be so paranoid, Ozmandias

BBQ Pork Ribs

Red Beans / Rice

Sweet Georgia Oysters / half shell

Cheese Grits

Corn Bread

Peacan Pie

Sweet Iced Tea

Is it too late to change my mind warden? I want what he's having!

Any Mexican food prepared by a guy in a dirty white t-shirt and a hair net.

The idea of "Reform before Election" came after the parliament was dissolved. The DEM demanded the Parliament be dissolved and when it happened, they boycotted it. Before this, the Government initiated a Reform Forum but that was boycotted by the DEM as well.

It is an excuse to hide their fear of the people mandate. They rejected all reform initiatives and demanded that only their 'people council' with members nominated exclusively by the DEM's PDRC/PCAD 'executives'.

No the demand was to get rid of the Shinawatra clan controlling Thailand!

And the election was their trick to continue.....(ala Thaksin 2006)

Election = trick = Wow!

mamypoko post # 5

Because a 'group' or an 'organization is not a 'they'.

One can but only presume that you have never been a member of any organisation, trade union., professional body, military unit etc which might have made comments that concern you and the subsequent actions you were expected to follow?

If by 'One' you mean you, then we all know the dangers of making assumptions.

I won't give a resume, but I still keep that funny short haircut.

...and if a supervisor or superior told his/her charge to vote a particular way and I was included in this group...I might just tell that person (read organization) to go eat a bag of dirt.

Cylon post # 2

Idiots

Why do you make such a comment Cylon?'

They are exercising their rights not to vote, the spoiling of ballot papers is also a comment in line with a refusal to vote.

Democracy sometimes works in strange ways

Because a 'group' or an 'organization is not a 'they'.

Police! A great chance to up your stock...cuff dat punk!

Any EVIDENCE that it was Red shirts?

Any EVIDENCE they were instructed by Satan himself, Thaksin?

Any EVIDENCE?

No?

Thought so!

Wait just a minute there, mister...stop using big words like 'evidence'

Be sure to wear extra protection from other harmful elements, like kevlar or dragon skin.

I'm amazed that the police will start gathering evidence and interviewing eye witnesses, 24 hours after the murder.

Are they jokers or completely incompetent?

In what civilised country would that happen?

Greece??

Ouch!

What's he going to do..... buy Chalerm a large bottle of malt whisky?

Nope ... chalerm prefers ear medicine

How refreshing with an original joke!!

How would Thaivisa survive without the creativity of some posters??

No doubt, SD!

It's always one of the following:

Red, Red, Red,

Yellow, Yellow, Yellow

Thaksin, Thaksin, Thaksin

He's a drunk...

She's a ditz...

Those of this ilk...skip'em

Next thing you know he'll have everyone's teeth pulled.

They don't have any food, so they don't really need teeth.

I was ref'ing the zombie thang...lol

Next thing you know he'll have everyone's teeth pulled.

Way back when, I took a class were the asst. prof. acted the same way; said the same sort of things.

behind the scenes, every other male farang was hittn that!

Oh, please! We can't stop gang raping her with all these people throwing rocks and taking pot shots at us. Call out the nat'l guard to protect us.

Whisky tango....F!!!

All the red lovers in T.V. will now be happy - of course it was Suthep's own people who did it - just ask a red and bear in mind they never lie

Why not put down your petty red/yellow b.s.. someone was shot in the head!

Tres cool!

Congrats!!!

A warm greeting...they are both doing the universal 'I cupped a fart' hand sign.

tezzainoz you are another one who is blocked. don't waste your time posting here I care less what you have to say.

Rather than block a TV member, might I suggest an alternative? This is based on a drinking game from the U.S. It's called "Hi, Bob!" Once upon a time there was a TV show/series called The Bob Newhart Show and in every episode Bob, the star of the show, is greeted with "Hi, Bob" many, MANY times...and for each Hi, Bob, you take a drink. You can probably guess the rest.

In the past, fed up with all roads lead to Thaksin, I altered the game such that every time one of the usual suspects mentioned mr. T, I'd take a drink (actually I substituted a drink for 10 push ups). And when mr. was not mentioned in the OP, but the TV member slipped his name in, I'd have to drink twice (or 30 push ups..etc.)

It goes without saying that mr. T can be replaced with Suthep or spelling errors/grammar errors by yours truly and drinks and push ups...well, you get the idea.

Forgive me for hijacking this thread. Road to hell and all that.

lol! I was agreeing with you Nowwherman60

To the best of my knowledge, it's not anti-corruption sentiment that drives the Gates and their pals to donate >=50% of their wealth.

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India has 'recently' passed some fascinating and so far very effective anti-corruption laws. Here, I am really hoping that a TV member/s can better explain in detail just what they are doing.

My understanding is that the new law provides an economic incentive to report/turn in people for acts of corruption. Here's the kicker, typically both the giver of corrupt monies AND the receiver of said money face prosecution...however, India's new law only seeks (pardon the pun) to prosecute the receiver of the money NOT the giver...in fact, the money exchanged between the giver and receiver is to be returned to the GIVER! The economics of this law are both simple and elegant. Historically, both the giver and receiver had every reason to keep their corrupt deals 'in the dark'...not so much now.

The OP suggests that mere altruism on the part of the rich and powerful will end corruption in Thailand - dream on!

Why not let capitalism and the so called empty hand go to work here in LOS?

Again, please someone do a better job of explaining of India's new anti-corruption law/s.

B. reg'

no need to explain further, you said it very well, awesome idea

Awesome idea ????

If I read it well, this means, the giver, f.i. some rich person that wants a law bend for his benefit, can have some government official arrested and punished, when his payment under table does not bear fruits !

Resulting in him getting his cash back !!

Sounds like a result-insurance for underhand illegal deals.

The law is designed to address those that would illegally profit from the power their official position grants them. Yes, people with a lot of money or favor to offer can always find a corrupt official and to be sure this law, as with all laws will not stamp out all corruption - there are laws against speeding, but people still exceed the limit, for example. However, in this case, it doesn't have to be the giver of money that reports the crime; it could be a co-worker, regular citizen, etc...