Hermes100

Is this for real? Cops here have actually done and gotten away with this? Surely this is illegal, randomly stopping someone on the street for no just cause and having them pee.

This is the kind of thing I'd imagine going on in some African backwater, but Thailand... from what I've read, if this is true and the OP is not just making it up... sorry, it's hard to believe... but, if this does go on, then it is in fact illegal and you just need to stand your ground, and produce a Thai lawyer business card... that's actually some good advice there.

not with me they ain't! And some here just seem to hate that.

I am willing to prove everything but nobody dare put their money where their mouth is.

I can show more than enough evidence.

Yet, no takers.......thailand is full of talking sheep.

I find this kind of amusing. About the handcuffs, that part could actually be true, strange as it sounds, In my very misspent youth, I did it myself. But I did not slap the cops around, rather, it was quite the opposite, and then they roughly threw me into the back of their paddy wagon type vehicle. BTW, Hermes, your bombastic style and outrageous lies remind me of a guy who used to chat in Sanook chatrooms. His screen moniker was tag heuer. Are you the same person?

aha,,, at last , a friend

How did you slap his face cuffed?

Sent from my iPad using Thaivisa Connect Thailand

I can demo to you if we meet, and you can handcuff me from behind.

I read the complete "Amazing Thailand" tourist brochure...not once did it mention random drug testing conducted by Thai police...

because they not allowed to, but pretend they are, they must ask, not to demand, they cannot force you or anyone.

I always carry Drew Noyes card around with me in Pattaya encase this sort of thing happens, on your way in seconds

Was that supposed to be funny?

who is this man Drew Noyes?

let it go. no one believes your preposterous lies...

nobody will investigate, so they choose not to. Can I fake what my lawyer says?, embassy says? can I fake the youtube? Do, I really care?. It's you who cares.hates to see somebody do what you cannot.

Hermes is suddenly extremely reticent about naming his hotshot lawyer. I wonder why.

I just gave his name.What more do you what? Look him up.Ask embassys about him.

This thread should be renamed 'Dreamland'.

thailand is dreamland, a nation of it, and some buy into it- some shatter certain parts of the dream and some hate them for doing so.

I always carry Drew Noyes card around with me in Pattaya encase this sort of thing happens, on your way in seconds

Actually as Drew Noyes is a TV Sponsor he must be credible, so that might be a good idea. I trust Thai Visa to make sure it's members are well looked after

Who is Drew Noyes please? Never heard of him.Is he a good honest man?

Who's your lawyer Hermes..?

Mr Praychaya- known and very well respected. An honest , good ,hard working gentleman, known and trusted to many embassy.Great connections. Only works for good people and often pro-bono.

One of the best namecards one can carry.

So everyone is safe with ecstasy then?

Simply refuse the to take the test.I have many times and have never given one once besides being 'ordered" so many times to do so. The Asok are and thoglor area's seem the worst.

Just curious Hermes but do you look special or something.

I mean in 18 years walking the streets drunk, sober or high I've never once been stopped so I'm wondering how comes you've been stopped many times?

well apart from being extremely good looking and wel build! I have been heree over 30 years's for me.And I know many who look very normal and get stopped often and some who look very suspect-and yet never .It's also where you hang out.Thonglor area is the worst I think.

the real history of thailand-

" the british very unhappy with the way they were betrayed by the thai's offloaded almost all their suplus bombs onto the thai captial.The americans did almost the same soon after.The message was clear.Thailand was sent a warning and then became a colony of the west"

This was around 5 PM.

Was the test positive or negative?

If negative, one has nothing to fear, surely.

If positive, what are you doing in a country that has strict laws on the sale and consumption of illegal narcotics.

it also has strict laws against corruption,the selling of women,gambling and a whole range of other things.Yet, they still go on.

These police only inovoke these laws as a shakedown.

And, postive or not- you do not have to suppply anything, compley with those demands and can cover any result if one knows how.

You can't travel with it after you’ve applied for a new one - but you will be able to keep your existing passport for ID purposes.

How would they know?

Proof of residency? I assume that is all out the window as if you go to the embassy it's pretty clear where you are living.

The passport contains an electronic chip, enabling electronic cancellation. This fact would be made known to most immigration offices at airports and land borders. However there is one border crossing into Cambodia where they do not scan passports on either side....................................if you fancy getting away whilst waiting an eternity for a new passport.!

its easy to dsiable to chip, a strong smash of a hammer ,place in mo=irowave, or plce next to strong magnet.They will just assume its another malfuntion. All these new measures are pure windown dressing.The fingerprintscan- useless.The 'blacklist' a joke.

many very lovely people in Thailand. Just because of a few bad apples do not let that spoil your expericnce. I have found so many good friend in my visist to jail's, orphanages's and other volunteer work.

I personaly avoid all the patpong,soi cowboy, soi 11 area's. They simply do not suit me.

Although it's the men, not the ladies I find that put me off. Some of the ladies have a heart of gold and have simply been let down by society that forces them to what they have to do in order to survive.

Also, thailand is a wonderful place to study practice,improve any hobby's.

Hermes100, you're just an attention seeker. You've done nothing for your friend. Please don't post on here until AFTER you've done something.

I think I have done something.I helped expose her.Saved him a lot of money. helped him move on.Saved a lot of other's a lot of money.Probabaly stopped their drug trade because now they fear what we have on them.

Call that nothing?

From your original post...

What do reader's think should be done? Is she bad? Or just trying to survive? Should we;

1- go to the police ( the person helping us get the inside information say's she will be certainly be jailed simply on content's of some messages that will also implicate many others- eg-her mother)

2- sue her for return of all money's,or get money's back in return for not exposing,making formal complaint's,etc,etc.

3- Post all her information all over the net and contact the 11 men she is now fleecing for money and prove to them what is really going on.It's almost quite funny seeing her FB photo's with them claiming 'I have found my true love'!!!

You've done none of the above. Stop posting here until you do one or some of the above.

Wromng again!

Another typical wrong assumption from less than polite TV poster who obvioulsy does not bother to think of what he/she is saying.This site seem's to be a haven for such people. Please tell,how do you know we have done none of the above?.

And it's not longer just 11 men.The figure rise's almost daily.

Some have contacted us.

That was then.This is now.Our lawyer has already informally consulted the police.

If we make formal charge she is truly and utterly ruined ( not so much by the money out of us and others but by her other" activity's" ).

Sueing her will bring all this to light.

She has other crimes that include aiding human trafficing .Our action would in effect destroy her.She is only a young lady,she had no education, she seem's to be controlled totally by her mother and I cannot help feeling the punishment she face's outweighs the crime. Sometimes I am in two minds over this.

Some of her information is already out there now on the net ( our lawyer advise's us not to name her here, show her photo, or name place's/site's that reveal information about her or can lead to her identification)

Seem's she is well known on the soi 11 are circuit anyway.

There are so many thing's on my plate that a backward responses like yours is simply not welcome nor helpful at all.

If we take action against her we not not send a young lady to jail for an extremely long period of time, but also many other's that we do not know surrouding her.

And because I visit many people in thai jail's I have zero confidence in the thai police's abilty to really target the guilty.

My chief fear here in this case is they will go in and arrest everyone connected to her, throw the book at them all and some of them would be either innocent (trust me, there are many innocent people in thai jail's who have commited no crime) or whose only ' guilt" is partaking of certain things for which I do not agree people should be jailed for.

Some of her 'boyfriends" are married and well placed in the local foreign community. You'd be amazed how well placed.

We therefore would be causing a scandle, more pain and possibly brocken marriages.

Anyway,

as of last night the senior member of our little group made his desicion ."throw the book at her, all surrounding her, expose her, report her to every single possible agency,etc,etc"

I think it was the austalian man taking his own life that caused him to reach it this decision.

Plus, she is just so stupid.She is trying to destroy evidence that simply cannot be destroyed( deleting sms and FB account's! They cannot be deleted.The record's alway's remains's) whilst we are trying to communicate with her in reasonable way.

Ands the degree of arrogance and threat's we received in the begiining ( that have stopped simply because they have seen they do not work with us)

I know other's will try and talk him out of it.

I myself am looking forward to when this whole sorry episode is over.

I do not like the idea of sending such a young person from poor rural background who was given no real chance in life, totally controlled by her mother to jail.

Hermes100, you're just an attention seeker. You've done nothing for your friend. Please don't post on here until AFTER you've done something.

I think I have done something.I helped expose her.Saved him a lot of money. helped him move on.Saved a lot of other's a lot of money.Probabaly stopped their drug trade because now they fear what we have on them.

Call that nothing?

I bet i could get twice as much as you from the women. Let us meet for drink are afraid or do you only shakedown Thai Women?

afriad of what? meeting you? No way, let's set it up and I can bring all the proof you may require.

Name time and Place

did, both, I named both time and place and even asked your number.But I got nothing back from you. I wonder why.

Perhaps the agency simply called the woman in question and told her there would be no more money coming from OP's cousin, but if she gave them her FB passwords etc., they could continue extracting money from you, and then split the money with her.

That would both explain why the agency is so expensive and why they have such easy access to everything

a good assumption ,but she did not give, they hacker her FB/twitter/line,etc.The agency is partialy owned by very close friend and one of thailands most decent gentlemen, a true credit to his service, and we have dealt with them many time's before always to good result's.

It is approved of and used by some embassys.They cost alot, but this is understandable and it's always the loser who end's up really paying.\

It is not possible to extract,extort money from me.

But, thanks advice.

Leave now take son or leave and go back to home country forget about this family or they will kill you

i hate this cowardly sort of advice. And it's very wrong.I have been in and out of thailand many years and helped many people.This is cowardly,sheep like advice. " do not seek justice,let the bad guy's win, run away like sheep"

I bet i could get twice as much as you from the women. Let us meet for drink are afraid or do you only shakedown Thai Women?

afriad of what? meeting you? No way, let's set it up and I can bring all the proof you may require.

Name time and Place

terminal 21 1pm,,,,pls leave your number to avoid any miscomm's.And do you require any 'proof"?

I bet i could get twice as much as you from the women. Let us meet for drink are afraid or do you only shakedown Thai Women?

afriad of what? meeting you? No way, let's set it up and I can bring all the proof you may require.

Name time and Place

please send your phone number and we can fix it up to avod miss comm's( pls note I do not carry mobile,so please answer from landline). How about Terminal 21 at 1pm-? Do you require any proof or anything else? I will not show her photo in full, nor supply personal detail's of her at this stage. Our lawyeradvise against it.

But what I have cannot fail to convince you.If indeed we do meet.Which somehow, for reason I doubt. Let's see. Look forward to meeting you in a few hours.

"The school of life has a high tuition, but some fools will learn in no other" -Ben Franklin. All first suggestions will not work (Cops? Courts?). Trying to "out" her could lead to defamation suit and cost him more (remember even if TRUE if damages image of another, you will lose). Rational thing might just be to budget how much you can afford to be scammed each month and stick to it. It will happen: sometimes small, sometimes (try) big. Goes with the territory, like sweat and bad sidewalks.

wrong- done many time's- never cost us a single baht. Exposed/jailed/etc,etc Even rewarded and awarded.Got old UK man his house back, many storys like this.

We never personaly lost out a single baht and our lawyer only take after settle.

many wrong advice's here " be afraid of thai gangster' ' you cannot get money back, you cannot win" " forget it, not your business"

Thank's advice, but as you can see ,it is not correct.

It seems bleedingly obvious to me. Sounds like you're in a position to get your cousins money back and you can wash your hands of that lady. Don't worry about police or other people, worry about yourself(cousin).

You see part of me agree, part os me/us think like this.Should one just seek justice themselves or do public service and assist others in future from criminal's like this? Remember the austalian-he took his life.

What would you say to his family?