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meeting thai ladys on net,in bars ,etc and thinking its genuine is self deluding- the vast majority of them are just out for one thing-$$$

and who can really blame

i blame the "me" who are so blind not to see this.

thai jails overwhelmed?

Well, as much as I truly love this nation this does not suprise me at all.

I had an incident thanks to thonglor "police" in which I was taken off the street, accused of insulting a policeman and then resisting arrest.

This is complete nonsense.I have never in my life done such a thing.

All I did was complain when a young officer tipped my whole bag out on the top of a taxi after I asked him not to shine a torch directly into my face.

I was polite at all times saying 'please"in english.

I was asked if I wanted to pay a bribe to 'settle" the matter .

I refused and was mildly beaten up in the back of a police van when I objected( one the older officers later told my lawyer that he was sorry that he had to beat me up, but was ordered to by this young officer because I had made him loose face), but only verbally to handcuff's being used.

I paid bail.

I was told there was no way I could contest the charges and that I faced certain jail.A 6 months sentence.

The only way to settle was to pay an even bigger bribe and for my lawyer to make an arrangement with the thonglor head of police.

I smuggled myself across the boarder, went back to my country and changed my name and promotely returned.

I am a law abiding respectful person who has never used violence nor disrespected anyone in a such a way in my entire life.

I had witnesses including a local person but was told this would be useless.A thai judge would only listen to the evidence of a policeman.

This makes me both angry and sad.

This is not a representation of the thai people I have come to know and love.

Recently, I was told of a case where a young man with history of mental issue's was given a passport and travelled to thailand for a holiday.

On his second day here he married a bar lady he met in pattaya and honey mooned in cambodia ( or lao's)

To cut a long story short, her daughter ( from pervious marriage ) was found to be carrying 9 yabaa pills.The devoted wife (with criminal record)persuaded her new husband to say that he had bought the drugs and placed them in this little girls bag because he would not be punished.

He now face's 25 year's for corruption.

This is absurd and no wonder thai jails are over flowing with prisioners if they can do this so easily and unjustly and get away with it.

I now live my life quietly and I hope I never get caught and unjustly put in jail because I simply do not deserve it and would not be able to take such unjust punishment without then seeking retribution.

An interesting story. In view of the treatment by the BIB, I am curious as to why they stopped you. Had you dropped a cigarette?

Perhaps you'd rather not say?

I was stoped because my taxi ran a red light.It was at asok intersection. And I do not really appricate any sort of accusation that the treatment I received was warrented.Even if I did drop a cigerette.I did not urge the driver to run that red light.I was on the phone at the time and was not even aware of what had happened. Suddenly we just stopped and the driver even apogised.I am not a criminal and have never been one.

thai jails overwhelmed?

Well, as much as I truly love this nation this does not suprise me at all.

I had an incident thanks to thonglor "police" in which I was taken off the street, accused of insulting a policeman and then resisting arrest.

This is complete nonsense.I have never in my life done such a thing.

All I did was complain when a young officer tipped my whole bag out on the top of a taxi after I asked him not to shine a torch directly into my face.

I was polite at all times saying 'please"in english.

I was asked if I wanted to pay a bribe to 'settle" the matter .

I refused and was mildly beaten up in the back of a police van when I objected( one the older officers later told my lawyer that he was sorry that he had to beat me up, but was ordered to by this young officer because I had made him loose face), but only verbally to handcuff's being used.

I paid bail.

I was told there was no way I could contest the charges and that I faced certain jail.A 6 months sentence.

The only way to settle was to pay an even bigger bribe and for my lawyer to make an arrangement with the thonglor head of police.

I smuggled myself across the boarder, went back to my country and changed my name and promotely returned.

I am a law abiding respectful person who has never used violence nor disrespected anyone in a such a way in my entire life.

I had witnesses including a local person but was told this would be useless.A thai judge would only listen to the evidence of a policeman.

This makes me both angry and sad.

This is not a representation of the thai people I have come to know and love.

Recently, I was told of a case where a young man with history of mental issue's was given a passport and travelled to thailand for a holiday.

On his second day here he married a bar lady he met in pattaya and honey mooned in cambodia ( or lao's)

To cut a long story short, her daughter ( from pervious marriage ) was found to be carrying 9 yabaa pills.The devoted wife (with criminal record)persuaded her new husband to say that he had bought the drugs and placed them in this little girls bag because he would not be punished.

He now face's 25 year's for corruption.

This is absurd and no wonder thai jails are over flowing with prisioners if they can do this so easily and unjustly and get away with it.

I now live my life quietly and I hope I never get caught and unjustly put in jail because I simply do not deserve it and would not be able to take such unjust punishment without then seeking retribution.

Just for information-there are certain other drugs one can buy to destroy the accuracy of these test.

They are avaibale over the internet or in some shops in major european citys .

Also, one can mix various prescribe medicines to prevent accurate detection.But this should be avoided so one does not cause oneself harm.

In my mind and personal experience the most dangerous area in bangkok ,was I am afraid to say, a certain station of one particular sort based in thonglor.

An place where one should expect to feel safe and protected.Not totally at the mercy of men who could be totally and utterly both unprofessional and corrupt.

A place where if you had no money, no connections and no luck, and worse still came from a nation they do not have to respect for you could be in very very big trouble .

It would not matter a hoot if you had done nothing at all wrong in any sense.

If you happened to find youself there it was usually because some racist bully thugs who rule that area were low on cash so used the power invested in them to basicly kidnap you.

You could then be threaten,beaten,intimidated,insulted,set-up and if you were not lucky to be of those people without friends/connections/money/luck- you could murdered.

That is what I consider a "no go" area.

Also, the idea of facebook to help immergation matters is really quite absurd and wide open to serious abuse.

If I was a baddy I would just flood the immergration service with bogus " tips offs" all day long and over whelm them.Something very easy to do here.

And, how many upset girlfriends will then use it as an intimadation tool ?

This procedure is almost completley useless and pure window dressing.

It will not be able to stop anyone bar the most incompetant.

In other words, the most deserving who should be stopped will in no way at all be troubled by this.

Unless you are on the most wanted list all one needs to do to get off any black list and enter thailand is;

1-pay money in the form of either ;

A- an overt bribe or ;

B- enlisting the services of a lawyer who will " smooth things over".

2- One can also change the name that one travel's with either slightly or completley ( something most europeans can do legaly and quite easily and which renders all lists completley useless)

Or of course obtain illegal documents that are still readily available.

it sounds elitist but the facts speak for themselves- ghosts and religious experience are both found far more in backward nations that suppress proper education and thrive ,even promote belief in the supernatural.

The facts remains whilst you will find so many stating they have seen one, not one single person since the dawn of time has been able to show a shred of proof .

They are all products of a repressed mind.

The settlement is basically so that the husband doesn't cause any problems with tourists warning them not to go to the zoo as it will be damaging for the company. Also it is a sign of respect for the zoo owner to make a cash settlement to the family of the deceased to help replace the income lost tothere house hold now she has past and he is of some right because it was on his land. no one would be liable because things don't work like that here if you piss some one off you don't get taken to court you get a bullet in your head!!

A strange way to go...

(But why would the husband even make a comment of filing charges against the owners of the crocodile farm, they would not be liable for anything if she intentionally put herself in harms way and knowing this why would the owners make a "settlement" offer in the first place ?

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total crap about getting a bullet to the head.Thats what the bullys want people to think so they can continue to extort money from then.I could give many examples where someone, notable police at thonglor tried to extort me. I was told " big problems" if I did not pay. I did not.

And nothing happened.

Most times it will not, never has to me and although it sometimes does( like everywhere else on earth),is far less than many would have to think.

I would rather pay money not to pay money( if that makes any logic) and that whats its all about.Whilst it is true that a good lawyer helps I would rather pay for that.

Do things correctly and you do not have to be treated like this here by anyone. Paying up and saying " thats how its done here" is not only totally untrue,, it also suggests that one should accept this.One should not and does not have to.

I could get shot tomorrow and that is the price I am happy to pay for many years here and not having once stopped to pay a bribe.It exists mainly because people pay too easily and are scared of things they should not be.

Whilst I cannot condone what this lady did the real criminal is any justice system that treats anyone in this way.

The only people who are more stupid than those who smuggle these illegal substances are those that think that this is right to have these laws and that these laws work .

They do not work , have never worked and will never work.

The vast majority of drug smugglers get away with it( I mean the private ones, not the state sponsored ones which are very much in place here)

And the only really losers are those that pay the bill and think these retarded laws work .

The smugglers at the top care not a jot and it does nothing good for society to condone this sort of treatment of anyone.

Well the drug laws dont seem to curb drug abuse but do you have a solution? Should a heroin smuggler get a couple of months in a comfortable jail and a little fine. What are you suggesting...

the only thing that can and will work- make them legal and destroy the ability of criminals to make vast sums of money by these backward, knee reaction retarded laws that simply do not work.

Have they stopped people smuggling? No .Can they stop people smuggling? No

Do they debase the justice system and anyone who supports this treatment? Yes Does this place a huge burden upon us/you the taxpayer? Yes

Are these laws making those at the very top of local crime syndicates who have zero chance of going to jail incredible amounts of money?

Yes

Will drugs taking ever end?No, never,its as natural as sex and having a glass of wine. Its a human need.Try and stop a human need and you will fail. Like trying to outlaw prostitution. Even maslow wrote about this( it was taken out of many of is writings )

Is it still a viable option to smuggle drugs and " get away with it" Yes,for sure this is so..And here there is still the very real option of being able to pay.

So, we have a totally failed law that has never worked, will never work because it addresses a human need and a system in place that puts the least deserving of punishment in jails that we pay for and the criminal elite right at the top- great! High fives to all!

Drugs are not "evil". Nor does anyone force anyone to take them. I think its far more evil to tell someone what they can and cannot do with their bodies.

I think its far less "evil" to choose to take any drug than to pay an impoverished young lady to commit a sexual act that you know she does not want to preform but are taking advantage of the social climate.

Heroin when taken correctly is one of the least harmful of drugs and people can and do take this and other substances all their life with no adverse effect at all.

People will always take them

The laws and attitudes surrounding them are really backward. Taken in responsible way they do far less harm than many "legal" or overlooked things.

But that does not keep the corrupt where they are- and so, they stay in place. If we cannot see this we are truly blind.

Whilst I cannot condone what this lady did the real criminal is any justice system that treats anyone in this way.

The only people who are more stupid than those who smuggle these illegal substances are those that think that this is right to have these laws and that these laws work .

They do not work , have never worked and will never work.

The vast majority of drug smugglers get away with it( I mean the private ones, not the state sponsored ones which are very much in place here)

And the only really losers are those that pay the bill and think these retarded laws work .

The smugglers at the top care not a jot and it does nothing good for society to condone this sort of treatment of anyone.

Well, I will get straight to it. I will be discreet to avoid breaking any house rule's - which I understand should be in place.

I am not a young man who goes out to all those bar's and club's but i am having quite an episode right now that is straight out of one of those cheap Bangkok tales book's one see's at the local bookstore's

My story concern's a local.

A,quite well to do lady of Chinese descent who I met through friend's.

She and I got on quite well and we shared many common interest's.

We were friend's for nearly a year before our relationship stepped up and we went on holiday together- this turned out to be one of the biggest mistake of my life.

Instantly she changed into what I can only describe as a real bitch.

She became unbearable to be around because she made no sense at all and was very rude to staff for no good reason.

The very first thing she said to after our first night was " now we have slept together, my family are powerful ( I would be told that every day) they will want us to get married and not be happy if you do not ask me quickly"

Soon afterwards I was told that I would not be safe if I did not do " the right thing".

When we arrived back to town she had arranged a sort of low key party with her family in which she said to everyone,although she was very drunk that we had been talking about getting married!

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I played along for a short time until I put my foot down and tried to make a joke of it.

Suggesting she had drank too much and I was far too much of a old man to be doing that at my age.

It ended so badly with her screaming at me and saying she would accuse me of sexual misconduct unless I quickly did the "right thing"

I went home and cut off all contact with her. To cut a long story short I changed everything to get away from her constant attempt's to contact me.

Thank fully I also had to leave Thailand due to other commitment's .

Now,, she has once again managed to find a way to contact me by way of a social network.

I have been informed that I face arrest and possibly the death sentence for being part of an international drug gang! Utter crap!

She sent me this from her normal email account in her real name that am keeping for evidence

My question is this- this accusation is quite absurd I have nothing remotely connected to any of this and hope it is all hot air.

But one thing that does bug me is that the security staff at my old place said "bad looking men" had been in asking after me.

One of these men became quite friendly to me because I assisted one of his children in their educational need's.

He sent a message to me via a friend that he had been offered a "large sum of money" ( which only turned out to be 20'000 baht) to call one of these men when I return ( he left a phone number on a card which now have-surely more evidence)

However it is at this point I really ask if I am not just over-reacting-am I? Please tell me straight.

I have now kept nearly all of her most nasty email's and sms.

All these can be traced back to her.

And I have the name card of that man and his handwriting, although the man who gave said he could not make a statement attesting to this and now always asks me to destroy the card.

Should I forget it and just carry on? What on earth would she stand to really gain?

Some have suggested I contact a lawyer to contact her to warn her of possible police action This I am told can actually be very helpful although others say this would only make matters worse.

advice please

Do they know that if Hitler had his ways they'd be considered as second class monkeys on the scale of mankind?

And you honestly think that this is not exactly how the highest echelons of the west really look at the Thai's?

They do not need nor require such a petty little incident as this to justify this way of thinking.

This is another example of bad reporting.

Not everyone would find this offensive. Some found it quite amusing.

The only reason this sort of thing continues is because it cause some ( who like to keep hold of the past) "offense".

It's time to drop the PC, let go of the past- or forever have some poking fun of those who would take offense .

Teachers wanted, good pay, health benefits, visa assistance, medical and bullet proof vest provided. This is not good for Thailand! This is shocking. Time to get rid of the stupid "lose face" mentality and start educating. Start with the stupid ass programs on the television that seem to baby sit the majority of the children in this country.

1 hour of looking at recent post's and only one dare's to tell it as it is.

Time to start telling the truth, Thailand is a mess, a joke, the education system, the fact there is so much banned info, the corruption ,the justice system,etc,etc

its nothing personal, I love it here too. I just cannot stand having to buy the polite line and go along with all the nonsense that does not help the Thai people I have come to know and love one little bit.

Canadian Extradited 13 Years After Pattaya Cut-Up Killing

Pattaya Police extradited and arrested a Canadian charged of killing and dismembering his common law Thai wife in a Pattaya hotel in 1996 thereafter escaping to Canada where he was jailed for 15 years without extradition.

September 9, 2011 (PDN ) Pol. Col. Nuntavuth Suwanlaorng Superintendent, Pattaya, Pol. Lt. Col. Krissakorn Thongin Deputy Superintendent and Pol. Capt. Santipol Puvadolkanok, Pattaya Police went to Suvanabhumi airport to arrest Mr Michael Joseph Karas alias Morgan Michael David age 55, Canadian citzen carrying passport: VN 244003,

Mr Karas was issued an arrest warrant JOR5TOR TOR/2554 on August 25, 2011 by the Pattaya provincial court.

The police officer said that Mr Michael Joseph Karas, the defendant dismembered the corpse his common law Thai wife during September 23 to September 24, 1996 at at room 805, Bay Beach Hotel in Pattaya. The case received large media coverage at the time.

Full story and pictures HERE

-- Pattaya Daily News 2010-09-10

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I just the love all the pics when the BIB arrest someone. You have the entire police force posing for the family album with the offender and everyone is always smiling including the accused. They pics always look like pleasant holiday snaps with new friends.

So third world.

You guys are being paranoid.

For one thing...just as an example... how many people would it require to monitor ALL comments on this forum each day? And what would it cost to do that?

That's why intelligence agencies that CAN monitor but don't will use a computerised system which is triggered by preset code words.

Oh c--p, I just triggered it.

(That's a JOKE guys).

You guys are all missing the point here. If some Thai government headhunter wants to make an example of someone (everyone) on Thai Visa all they have to do is threaten the owner of this site with jail and the guy will probably roll over and just give the cops or whomever ALL our email and phone numbers and whatever other data anyone was stupid enough to include. It doesn't take but one person to do this. And since all this site seems to be about is making fun of the stupidity of you know who etc, what is to keep the government from threatening the owner?? I am curious why nothing has been done about it yet.

not if they have nothing....let them chase people who do not exist.

who really care's?

that is why nobody in their right mind truly care's because they open on a name de plume( or whatever) and if they have something to hide use a firewall or from an email center

goodluck big brother.

they have enough on their plate keeping all the banned books and other info out of Thailand

" maybe the brit will let him go like they did the lockiebee bomber"

Does this gent mean the Libyan bomber trained by the CIA ? Who then gave permission to the brit's ( who are basic one and the same in all security matters, rather like father and son in fact, the son however has matured and has out grown the father, but pays polite homage) to let him return to Libya?

Why is there some UK USA anti feeling about this. In Europe we look upon the Brit's basically being the fathers, or more accurately the grandfathers of the new worlder's. Different from us euro's, but all well meaning and liked.

Why all this hostility over silliness and what has it to do with the issue really?

We have people warning us not to mess with combat hardened marines who can kick ass ( that I called rambo which may of upset some) although in this case he did not quite do this and ended up sadly dead.

And another enlightened gent advising us to take lesson from a fictional film of a non "hero" vigilante who decided to takes up arms and have a go at the baddie's, fails, the perp is free because the ass kicking was not quite good enough and , oh yes, he also end's up dead too!

Such infighting, surely we should get away from all this. It is not constructive. But it is amusing how some carry on.

Some of you guys crack me up. Just come out and say "I hope this coward gets away with it".

Ever see the movie "Man on Fire"? The scene where Denzel Washington has the guy backward spread-eagled over the trunk?

That's what Aldhouse deserves. A bit of extrajudicial punishment.

And was the film based upon fact or fiction?

Do you know?

Do we now turn to fantasy non hero's for our guidance? And what happened to the "hero" in that film?

They pretty much ended up the same way did they not.

Bagged and sent home.

The perp(s) or some of them, still out and about. Not a very good way to carry on .

Idolizing vigilantly non hero who end up dead while the" guilty" or more accuratly the accused roam free.Great example and great progressive thinking which I am sure will help bring an end to these sorts of matter's.

the " good" news if there is any ( truly the only good news is if we could somehow bring the serviceman back to life) is that this whole thread will be used by the brit's defense team to stop him being brought back to Thailand.

If it was in my country I do not think any judge would allow for it after reading this thread and I cannot see the brit's sending one of their own to such a barbaric pre-decided count where fair play is almost an afterthought.

Or not as in this case! You mean ex marine do you not?

No doubt the" combat hardened marine"( such childish macho word's) wished that was one battle he had missed because look what happened. Embarrassed? Who? Thugs like to "win" at any cost that why this man may of done what he did. He went home alive. He was not a combat vet. I like the brit's, but the hooligans will be hailing this as victory not as an embarrassment at all.

They will point out that rambo's skills did not do him much good at all and surely an intelligent soldier would avoid trouble.

I do feel sorry for any loss of life and I have a great deal of respect for the American troop's and serviceman. And I am sure that they would agree that it's always better, like in this case perhaps to avoid a fight or problem than to use brute strength.

Nobody win's a fight, nor a battle.In war and conflict there are no winner's only survivor's. The boy you decide to have fun and " kick someones butts" rather than walk away the more chances you have of ending up crossing the wrong sort who does not give any credence to your macho history and sends you home just like any other mortal in a body bag. Like in this case.

I hope he RIP and my heart goes out to the family friend's.

I would like to add that I hope to see less silly remarks like this because as much as I love the USA ( and I do deeply for some reason) I would like it's great people to slow down on the gung-ho. We are not in the wild west anymore . The sort of macho attitude of " I can kick you butt because I am ....( whatever) often shown by some people in the US and in other western nation's sends the wrong sort of message.

This message can result in all sort's of thing's .

I think it is macho nonsense like this that lead to another sort of cowardly entity sneaking up and making a mess. 9-11. And that is why its best to be careful what one says and does and always avoid.

To the marine RIP.

Yes, I agree, it is childish and they seem to forget who went home dead. It was their combat hardened rambo. Sorry- I mean ex combat hardened marine rambo.

its a tragic loss of life( and I really should not joke about it) but do they not see how in the brit's and I am guessing the other euro's eye there was only one clear 'winner" and how it looks when the winner was a not a rambo.And worse still, some are saying such silly things like " bet he wished he never did it"

Do they mean rambo or the man still alive ?

I doubt he was even a boy scout and yet in his and others eye, he clearly " won" ( does not give one much confidence in American combat troops some could say )he went home alive and I very much doubt will be sent back here. They are only going through the motions.

Lighten up everyone!

1) He was not an ex-Marine. He was currently serving.

2) As far as I know, it's you who decided to call him " a rambo" -- with all that disdain and mockery that implies -- and without cause.

3) To have been in combat does generally "harden" a person and most people consider it noteworthy experience and relevant in some instances.

4) According to reports, it was not him who started the fight.

5) The fact that the guy he fought was, reportedly, later able to ambush him with knife says ZERO about the capabilities of American combat troops in a general sense.

6) Your ideas about the cause of events like 9/11 are remarkably simplistic and ill-informed.

7) You seem to have very little sense of decency.

Just sayin'.

Bye!

1-I meant he most certainly is an ex-marine now. " Was" is past tense. Unless the US has started using zombie's as troops( and some think they do!)

2- Rambo, yes me , after seeing such nonsense terms like " combat hardened " when it was the ( ex) who ended up getting bagged!

3-agree

4-regardless who "started" it or not. The man who" finished" it is still alive, so not something I would sort of be boasting about.

5-I agree, so please do NOT boast about a rambo's. It looks silly to say " do not do this or that to a combat hard man" when someone who was not a rambo , did and sent him home in a bag!

6-That is your opinion and I defend your right to it. However, you do not know me and so know nothing of what I know.

7-Why ? because I show the fallacy of silly little boasts by silly little men who ought to get their facts right before making such silly statements.

like " he got his ass handed to him" well if that's the case, how come a non rambo was able to get up and later do what he did. Rambo did not do a very good job, despite all his training, so it does no good to point this out, now does it? I hope that's not how the US military defines a victory ore an ass kicking. No wonder AQ does not seem to perturbed!

You are right, they do not like this. It is tragic what happened to that man. It just plain silly what I read here. And, by the way " seem's" means = zero.Things are often not what they seem.

I expect to rambo it seemed to him that he was safe and all was well after he dished out the " ass kicking" which never was.

Like you now I would suggest that in future less assumption, more fact finding, see where it can lead.

May that poor man RIP and may people grow up, put silly little macho statement's away or at least get their fact's correct. Or they end up making more trouble and looking rather foolish.

If the murderer had been Thai, he would have been tried, judged, and sentenced (along with the 70 million other Thais) on this forum days ago. The fact that he is British somehow puts doubts into people's minds?

Who 'The' murderer is is yet to be proven in a court of law, so there is no 'fact' regarding their nationality.

Some people use the phrase 'innocent until proven guilty'.

Not Americans though, it seems.

You're right. The murderer was probably a cowardly Thai guy. The valiant British kick boxer probably tried to save him, to no avail.

I guess the deceased was just quietly minding his own business, extolling the virtues of the good lord to all those nasty brits drinking in that bar, trying to steer them on the straight and narrow. Oh no, wait, he was involved in a bar brawl, added to a second knife found at he scene etc, he was not an innocent party in this.

he may have won the battle, but he certainly lost the war.

now this thread should be about the extradition, is is not about innocence or guilt of the alleged killer, lets discuss whether he will be extradited or not, my guess is that he will not be extradited to Thailand, and then america can go all gung ho and invade britain, we can call it the new 'battle of the bulge', the fat yanks attacking Europes fattest country,a real heavyweight tussle

i am British, and like I say the posturing by the yanks in this thread is embarrassing to say the least

Yes, I agree, it is childish and they seem to forget who went home dead. It was their combat hardened rambo. Sorry- I mean ex combat hardened marine rambo.

its a tragic loss of life( and I really should not joke about it) but do they not see how in the brit's and I am guessing the other euro's eye there was only one clear 'winner" and how it looks when the winner was a not a rambo.And worse still, some are saying such silly things like " bet he wished he never did it"

Do they mean rambo or the man still alive ?

I doubt he was even a boy scout and yet in his and others eye, he clearly " won" ( does not give one much confidence in American combat troops some could say )he went home alive and I very much doubt will be sent back here. They are only going through the motions.

Lighten up everyone!

Does the UK have the death penalty? If so, than all 3 countries have the death penalty. This cowardly murder should warrant death, regardless where it occurred. Next time you got your arrogant butt kick by a combat hardened US Marine, and as embarrassing as it may be, just go home.

Or not as in this case! You mean ex marine do you not?

No doubt the" combat hardened marine"( such childish macho word's) wished that was one battle he had missed because look what happened. Embarrassed? Who? Thugs like to "win" at any cost that why this man may of done what he did. He went home alive. He was not a combat vet. I like the brit's, but the hooligans will be hailing this as victory not as an embarrassment at all.

They will point out that rambo's skills did not do him much good at all and surely an intelligent soldier would avoid trouble.

I do feel sorry for any loss of life and I have a great deal of respect for the American troop's and serviceman. And I am sure that they would agree that it's always better, like in this case perhaps to avoid a fight or problem than to use brute strength.

Nobody win's a fight, nor a battle.In war and conflict there are no winner's only survivor's. The boy you decide to have fun and " kick someones butts" rather than walk away the more chances you have of ending up crossing the wrong sort who does not give any credence to your macho history and sends you home just like any other mortal in a body bag. Like in this case.

I hope he RIP and my heart goes out to the family friend's.

I would like to add that I hope to see less silly remarks like this because as much as I love the USA ( and I do deeply for some reason) I would like it's great people to slow down on the gung-ho. We are not in the wild west anymore . The sort of macho attitude of " I can kick you butt because I am ....( whatever) often shown by some people in the US and in other western nation's sends the wrong sort of message.

This message can result in all sort's of thing's .

I think it is macho nonsense like this that lead to another sort of cowardly entity sneaking up and making a mess. 9-11. And that is why its best to be careful what one says and does and always avoid.

To the marine RIP.