Hermes100

this story sounds like an essay or demo writing of a troll/ghost writer to be hired by some online forum

the funny thing is I cannot help agreeing with you. Although I can 100% prove everything I claim .

But some of the stuff is simply amazing and thats why I do not blame you for saying this.

The content's of her messages should win her an award!

I honestly think I could write a book on this girl and her little gang alone.

It seem's they are quite well known in all the main soi11 clubs.I never go so know nothing really about them.

Sometime's she seem's to have cut and pasted exactly the same romantic type message to several men.At one time 11 of them.Age's ranging from 22 to 58. She is early 20's but look's older(my lawyer has advised me not to disclose her names or other details that could identify her).

And they her send so much money yet they only see her several time's per year!

They often travel all the way from UK ( most of her client's were from there), canada, USA, australia and some europeans.

Her antic's can be hilarious.

In one hotel at same time she was servicing several different men-and women.She is bi-sexual.

Making excuse's to "pop out" to run an errand whilst she went to see another one.

Amazingly she never got caught.

Her little gang's converstation's are straight out of a porno book " was he good in bed"? " how big was his dXXX"? " " does he have any friend's his same size'? etc,etc

She would go to airport to kiss goodbye to her 'beloved" then go straight round to see another.

Her mother was encouraging her and urging her to send more money home because " we can buy some land cheap now so go out and find a rich punter"

I do not need money to write a book. I have my own income, but this certainly would make for an interesting read.

I bet i could get twice as much as you from the women. Let us meet for drink are afraid or do you only shakedown Thai Women?

afriad of what? meeting you? No way, let's set it up and I can bring all the proof you may require.

Sad story but not really surprising. I think a lesson for all of us is just this, use common sense. Compare to what would happen in your own country and it is not that much different to anywhere else in the world, if it seems too good to be true, it usually is that's it. When I come back to LOS one day, I am not in the market to find "Love" at all because I just know its not really probable. I am more content with the lovely food, take a kitty on the side for some fun with absolutely no strings and just enjoy man because it could all end suddenly one day you just never know, be careful, be good to others and be tolerant. I know easy to say harder to do. In this case I think karma will prevail for that woman, you just cant get away with that type of thing forever, the universe does't work that way.

best reply so far- thank you

wrong again, we have been offered way over the amount, her whole clan is very worried too.They all have record's. So do I-and very good one's dealing with these scum.

Now that they know we have 100% proof and we cannot be intimadated it's them who are worried.

It's hard for me to believe that this woman has offered you what sounds like big money to essentially just keep quiet. She can't be that stupid. It would cost her a lot less to simply have you erased.

She could- it would not be that easy. And she would be prime suspect.

Do not buy into this 'be careful this is thailand and a hitman can take you out easy and cheaply" I been here many year's-still alive.

Before I was only dealing with child/human trafficing .

They are unprofessional cowards who know when someone does not fear them and has a few connection's and how hard it can be.Plus, they do damn lazy and stupid. Not impossible- but they lack the technical expertise required to deal with some people.

I have bitchslapped thai/english "gangster's" ( cowards) on film, gone to their office's, exposed many, put many in jail.

Been on national TV and newspapers.

I have received thanks from local/international police agency's and embassy's for services helping putting away some top 'gangsters'(local and foreign).

Thaivisa even did feature on this once and I am even on youtube .You can me confront 4 of them reach was armed.Did that bother me? Not at all.

Each one was bitchslapped nicely and is apparently now doing extremely long sentences. I received award for this. I will not disclose more detail's. I know this sounds like boast. I just want to prove the real truth of their false 'power" and encourage others to stand up to them.Their only power is that they can scare people.Still a lot of scumbags to deal with. The wolf only attack's the sheep.

The money is gone , its sad there will be no happy ending to this all to familiar tale of woe. He will not listen until he is broke and alone again.

wrong - she her family has offered to pay all back because they fear us going to police.

One of us demanded a large amount( more than was taken) and they said they would pay it in return for our silence. Yet,even now, she plead's poverty to all her sponcer's .She certainly know's how to play the game.

She and other's will most certainly go to jail according to the lawyer.

Her mother even has a record.And also her father!

My friend will never be broke. He is a man of mean's. He could use this to his advantage if he was not such a nice person.

But for him it's not really all about money.

One of us demanded a large amount( more than was taken) and they said they would pay it in return for our silence...Thrilling

One of us ! From the 3 musketeers ? ,

the reason one of us asked for more than what was taken is because apart from cash good's were also given/taken.This does not include fee of lwyer and company. We only estimated.

Thrilling? Another wrong assumption .We are not theifs and feel we have every right to be repaid what it cost us. Those service's were not free and cost a lot of money.

Got it now?

Hermes. The moneys gone so forget it. You did your best by warning your friend/cousin but like countless others wouldn't listen. You could have shown him the countless similar stories on this forum. Your post will be a good warning for others be content with that. I hope I don't meet her I'm always in Soi 11 when in BKK.

Chees ToneG

You do not have the police as an option. Rule that out. They will not help you unless you pay them big money. They are not involved in law enforcement. Always remember that. They barely help Thais. Do you really think they will help you? Never gonna happen. A pipe dream.

wrong again- so many mistakes here.I was awarded once for a service I preformed ( thaivisa reported it) and have made great connection's with some very good local police. They are honest and have never let me down.

The money is gone , its sad there will be no happy ending to this all to familiar tale of woe. He will not listen until he is broke and alone again.

How unhelpful!! In my own country (Australia) a drug dealing swindler would be reported to the police, and one would let justice take it's course. Just walking away encourages her to keep being a criminal. Has anyone here heard of a deterrent?

I too was robbed by a Thai woman I tried to help. Gave her a laptop, scooter, jewellery and a trip to Australia etc.

When I tried to break up with her, she went berserk and stole everything she could get her hands on.

I went to the police, got some of the gold back she stole, and trashed her name on Facebook etc. She told people I would just "roll over" and take it, coz other stupid Farangs had. She may still be looking for the next victim, but I made it very unpleasant for her, and the threat of prosecution was the only thing that got my gold back and gave her a lesson in what happens when you steal.

This is a Thai thing, I have had girlfriends in Japan and Australia and none were criminals like here.

Do the right thing and get this criminal off the streets, and maybe protect the next benevolent man she will surely con.

How do you think sociopaths choose their victims? They have a 6th sense as to who is benevolent, and is why we have laws to protect them and punish the vultures.

Cheers and good luck to one and all!

sorry Sir, I cannot agree with that kind of racism.Not all thai girls like this.And even some working girls are far more honest and decent than " good girl's".Plus, as my cousin says.

The thai goverment in some way forces these women to do this because we all have to survive. Frankly, I do not know what to do. Her new beloved now know's and the poor man is in bit's.

It's horrible situation, but I assure you this does not only happen here.

This woman enjoys making easy money and she will not let you get in her way. If you live in Thailand, this what you will get a reaction from her......

2- send people to us -veiled threat.No worry's for us at all.

wrong again, we have been offered way over the amount, her whole clan is very worried too.They all have record's. So do I-and very good one's dealing with these scum.

Now that they know we have 100% proof and we cannot be intimadated it's them who are worried.

But the punishment seems to harsh for her.

My cousin does not want this.

And thai prisons are just aweful.

She will basicly go to jail and come out old lady.

In all my year's I have never backed down from these sort's.They are coward's who prey of good people who fear them and if they ever do get me then okay. One point for them -100's for me.

But thanks advice.

Was he forced at gun/knife point to hand over money? If not he gave it voluntarily.... (Being stupid and/or gullible does not make it a crime.) His lady has done nothing legally wrong as I see it from the info you've provided....

So why offer to refund the money - perhaps to stop you blowing open her scheme, and prevent her scoring from other stupid fools?

Will your lawyer work for a share of money recovered, or does he required payment up-front? (Perhaps he also sees you as even more gullible?)

So you want to do what's right (morally - in western eyes perhaps), and prevent others for falling "under her spell". Fine, but you/he will never be able to visit Thailand again (without carefully watching your back at all times).... And for every one of these "ladies" that get's taken out of the game at least 2 or 3 more will pop up to fill their place - and there's a never ending supply of gullible fools queuing up to get relieved.

Best simply to get on with your/his life and consider this a valuable lesson learned.

watching my back does not concern me in the least. Many year's here, many criminals including locals in jail.Still alive and well thank you.

"They have offered to pay back and more ..."

Her family want to pay the money back! What is the problem? No pleasing some.

the problem? The illegal dealing? The cheating of other good people? or is that okay with you? Is that not a 'problem" in your book?

He has lost a lot of money.Imagine if he was not a man of mean's and he took his life like the australian man apparently did.

Would you be okay with this.

Taking the money back does not stop her and her family causing others misery.

If possible Find out the girls passwords to her FB accounts and send to her sponsors. Don't get into detail just tell them it is in their interest to view and leave the conclusions to them. Do this in such a way that they can not contact you in the future and they don't know who sent. You have then taken your revenge and stopped this woman from collecting from these guys.

But be aware that your revenge might come back to haunt you. Be careful as dishonest people know other dishonest people....

thank you, but as I said,the agency got all of her FB paswords, and everything else ( eg Sms's), they have now been downloaded along with all the photo's. I cannot help wondering if she has not thought that this would happen.

She has not been very careful.

That is how we knew 100%- they also were able to place her location's.

It was almost funny.

She sends one man to the airport posting on one account (she has many FB,etc, account's) how heart brocken she is that he is leaving-and then goes and see's another!

The other matter of those item's are what would cause the real trouble.

That is why the lawyer says " we have her by the balls" .That is 100%.The agency director say's the police will not care how this evidence was obtained and throw the book at her.

Thanks for warning about dishonest people.

Yeah right, a very "good man" dating girls with 20 years difference... Obviously we don't have the same values of good man or Thailand makes you loose all commun sense?

Another one bite the dust!

yes, she will bite the dust-very much so,,,

Op you mentioned she was dealing in illegal substances,this may mean she has connections to some very nasty people indeed,i would just walk away from this for your own safety.

sincerely-thanks advice- as some people who know me personaly already know -I do not walk away from trouble-never when it involves a good friend/person/cause- I walk toward's it.

I will not boast about how many criminal's have clashed with me here ( both foreign and local) over the years, sending me threat's, men to my door, etc, bothers me not at all---- and I am still alive and many are now sitting in jail, or on wanted list,etc.

Thaivisa once did a whole story on this- but I will not disclose more detail's.

Yes, they may well get me in the end.

This girls's mother has already said this- but it will not change the work I have already done .

My visit's to jails here are known to many embassy's and the action's/arrest's that have resulted in the information that I have gained from those I visited and have passed on have taken quite a few nasty people off the street's- yet, I am still alive.

Plus I have helped several people avoid long sentences that they were facing and innocent off.

Criminal's do not concern me in the slightest .Looking other way and allowing crime to happen causing people misery does.

Crime exist's because people fear what will happen to them. That is almost like assisting the criminal.

But thanks for advice, and please excuse mild boast.

I would give her a taste of her own medicine and extort her for all she's got 555

that's what some of us think- but boy, she really would be in trouble. Apart from huge scandle the time my lawyer said she and others would spend in jail seem's far,far too harsh.

You are far too softhearted Hermes. If it's not about the money, let her go to jail, som man na.

But I visit people in Jail here and other part's of Thailand.

The conditions are aweful.

I know what she did,,, and is still doing, is very wrong and mean's she is very bad.

Look what apparently that poor australian did to himself.

I wonder what his family would say.

And it's simply wrong to deceive people like this.

The lawyer advised us she ( and many surrouding her) could be looking at a really large sentences based purely upon her sms's alone.

He,discussed this with agency that conducted investigation and pointed out that many people she was sending sms's to were known/suspected criminal's also dealing in illicit item's. I doubt they were social sms's .

Thus making her look far more guilty and liable to a really long sentence.

I wish we could just get her to stop without the need for such harsh prison sentence and the scandle and shame it would cause all her ' fiancee's" .

I cannot help slighlty agreeing with my friend who say's it's what she had to do to surivive and if this nation had it act together she would not have to do this.

I would give her a taste of her own medicine and extort her for all she's got 555

that's what some of us think- but boy, she really would be in trouble. Apart from huge scandle the time my lawyer said she and others would spend in jail seem's far,far too harsh.

The money is gone , its sad there will be no happy ending to this all to familiar tale of woe. He will not listen until he is broke and alone again.

wrong - she her family has offered to pay all back because they fear us going to police.

One of us demanded a large amount( more than was taken) and they said they would pay it in return for our silence. Yet,even now, she plead's poverty to all her sponcer's .She certainly know's how to play the game.

She and other's will most certainly go to jail according to the lawyer.

Her mother even has a record.And also her father!

My friend will never be broke. He is a man of mean's. He could use this to his advantage if he was not such a nice person.

But for him it's not really all about money.

This suprised us as he has never done this before

... and this always makes us suspect.

If he's never done this before how can his behavior always make you suspect ____?

he is a very sensitve man and had almost no relationship's with local ladies. He never goes place's she frequents like all the nightclubs around soi 11 where she seem's very popular.( the facebook photo's showed this)

Falling in love so quickly with a local and saying ' I trust her 100%" when before he would say " I know the game, understand it, you cannot them blame etc" All caused us to suspect he was under "her spell".

He is also very honest man and yet did give her money which he used semantic's to deny ( "I gave her to her , not paid her, we did not have sex,it was gift')

Also, maybe unethicaly we started to check her ourselves.

When we found certain information he was denial about it and this is not his charecter at all.

Anyway, he is quite okay with the matter now and even wishes her all the best of luck.

Not all of feel this way and some still want to expose. I think he should decide. It's a very sad and time consuming affair.

Dear Hermes 100,

Didn't you reply in a other thread about girls using men for money, that it there own problem, that they asked for this?

So what is different with your story, or are you writing a book?

Sent from my iPad using Thaivisa Connect Thailand mobile app

no, not me

It sucks I know to be duped like this. But there really is little you can do. The woman's evidently hardened and won't give up without a fight, however you try to retaliate, which would get you into a farang vs. Thai situation, never pleasant. So think: is it worth it?

As your cousin seems to see the matter, basically it's an expensive lesson learned. Good attitude! Is he dumb? Now, no. If it happens again then, yes. Which it probably won't. And look at the positive. He actually got off the ride before a major crash (like the guy who did himself in).

Like they say time heals. Take it easy for a month - play stuff on the internet, keep up with the coup, do not desperately rebound to the next babe who presents herself - and the whole deal will soon be a speck on the rearview mirror.

Thank you,,, I completley agree, best advice yet, however, others think she should be exposed before she can ruin other life's. Like that austalian's.

The thai/farang situation does not bother him in the slightest ,we have already consulted both them and lawyer, but he seem's very concerned about 'doing right thing" and does not want her sent to jail .He actually blames thai society for what he say's causes them to have to do this.

And I do see his point on this.

Anyway, thanks for good advice.

Well, like Shakespeare said "Thai women would not be wolves if farang men were not sheep". I know, I had no idea Shakespeare had been here myself.

Anyway, if you knew for sure you can stop her from harming others in future, go ahead and do the right thing. But you don't. And there's no call for you or your cousin to mess up your lives in order to try. Now, if you're telling me that you're convinced by a local lawyer you'll win for sure in court (you'll be paying him for the privilege, right?) well then there's this bridge over the Chaophaya my gf's family owns...

You want to fix Thai society? Well, again Shakespeare: "The fault, dear farang, is not in Thai society, But in ourselves, that we keep getting screwed. For, A needy man will surely meet someone to scratch his need and make him pay".

yes, the evidence of dealing in certain substances we are told is immense and will put her in jail, along with many others for a considerable amount of time ( too much really).It would be hard for her to mess up men's lifes like this.

Plus, she will have her passport canceled and no country will apparently ever grant her a visa-our lawyer tell's us.This does not include placing all her information all over the net warning others who frequent her hunting grounds of her true nature.

Still, he does not want to do this.

It sucks I know to be duped like this. But there really is little you can do. The woman's evidently hardened and won't give up without a fight, however you try to retaliate, which would get you into a farang vs. Thai situation, never pleasant. So think: is it worth it?

As your cousin seems to see the matter, basically it's an expensive lesson learned. Good attitude! Is he dumb? Now, no. If it happens again then, yes. Which it probably won't. And look at the positive. He actually got off the ride before a major crash (like the guy who did himself in).

Like they say time heals. Take it easy for a month - play stuff on the internet, keep up with the coup, do not desperately rebound to the next babe who presents herself - and the whole deal will soon be a speck on the rearview mirror.

Thank you,,, I completley agree, best advice yet, however, others think she should be exposed before she can ruin other life's. Like that austalian's.

The thai/farang situation does not bother him in the slightest ,we have already consulted both them and lawyer, but he seem's very concerned about 'doing right thing" and does not want her sent to jail .He actually blames thai society for what he say's causes them to have to do this.

And I do see his point on this.

Anyway, thanks for good advice.

The only part at all which surprises me in the least is this

We took it upon ourselfs to employ a company who was able to access all her information ( facebook,line chat's,twitter, sms's,bank account detail's,etc,etc).Side note- shocking how easy it is to basicly access everything.

I have a fair bit of experience with keyloggers, installing trojans, phone scanning and tracking software etc.. and none of it is easy..

Us too,very much so. The agency asked us not to name them or mention anything about their connection's.

When we first went to see them ( recommended by a embassy friend) one of their staff made incredable claim's.

We can check her facebook messages, phone message's, bank detail's, and something called " link",etc,etc.

Because I visit people in jail here ( and over sea's) and have know a little how they were caught I am not totally new to this technology.

But I was still doubtful and because the service was not exactly cheap I asked for a demostration before commiting.

I had to pay a deposit if it was successful.

And it was- 100%, all her facebook account's, FB/sms message's to /from, flight details,including seat number,even room number at hotel she stayed,name's and detail's of all her boyfriends,her home address,etc,etc.

You say this is not easy, well, it seemed pretty easy to them and I apparently it's becoming easier. I have been looking into it myself.

Should this sort of technology be so easy to obtain and is there anything that can be done to gaurd against it.

The owner said she was easy target because she took no precautions at all.

My cousin is a very good man .He does not frequent nor partake of any of the red light industry. He work's hard and suffer's from a ongoing sickness.

At the start of this year he was introuduced, by mutual friend, to a local lady.

They seemed to hit it off from the start. This suprised us as he has never done this before and seemed well aware of the risks involved. Also, she was much younger (20's-40's) than him and this always makes us suspect.

This one he said was 'different' and he seemed very happy. At first their relationship was platonic which may or may not be true, but made us think it could at least , be honest for once as he claimed no money passed hand's.

We all warned him of what could be really going on and when we found out how much money he was giving her for "her family" and her 'sickness".

We took it upon ourselfs to employ a company who was able to access all her information ( facebook,line chat's,twitter, sms's,bank account detail's,etc,etc).Side note- shocking how easy it is to basicly access everything.

I was told this before and read online reports saying this , but never expected it to be this easy- I will return to using post system! But then again, I do not cheat people so no real need.

What we found out is quite amazing (although some say very "typical').

This lady,no exageration, has made million's of baht, bought a house and land by basicly meeting gulliable good hearted western men and telling them the same sort of tale of woe deceiving them by same old hard luck story.

"I am poor thai girl, I want good life, I am not working girl, I just need a little money to support my family ,or cure myself of this "sickness" that I have ( the people who checked her out said this sickness is invented-), can you please help me so we can be together, I just want to be a good wife and mother,or I will have no other option other than to sell my body ( or kill myself)".

Our little investigation revealed illegal activitys such as suspecting of selling certain substances, (amazingly with the full approval of her morther!!!), as well as promoting sex party's ( not sure if illegal-photo's can even be seen on the net, so we guess not). Doubt they are free, so it must be a crime of some sort's. I guess somebody is paid off as usual.

Anyway,we have all the evidence, all her many Facebook accounts, the personal messages between her and her 'sponsers',her mother ,bank account details,etc,etc ( not sure if permissible in court because of way obtained, but pretty sure thai police will not ignore some of businesses she was involved in no matter how information obtained)

My cousin, fool that he is,say's ' forget it". He even defend's her saying she had to do this to survive and ask's us to drop whole matter.

Surviving is one thing.

We think she went way over and above the need just to survive( and once when one man gave her 1.5 million she just left him) and what she does amounts to stealing,deceit,deception,and that does not include the other crime's.

She is also playing with people life's. One man, an australian,apparenlty 4 year's ago commited suicide when finding out what was going on.This information did not come from agency obtaining the information .However, I do not doubt it.

Do we have some sort of duty to inform and warn other's?

What do reader's think should be done? Is she bad? Or just trying to survive? Should we;

1- go to the police ( the person helping us get the inside information say's she will be certainly be jailed simply on content's of some messages that will also implicate many others- eg-her mother)

2- sue her for return of all money's,or get money's back in return for not exposing,making formal complaint's,etc,etc.

3- Post all her information all over the net and contact the 11 men she is now fleecing for money and prove to them what is really going on.It's almost quite funny seeing her FB photo's with them claiming 'I have found my true love'!!!

Any other suggestion's please?

Frankly, not sure what to do.In one way I find what she is doing to be disgusting ( letting my cousin go sick and leaving a man after giving her so much is just so low) and in another way,sometimes I wonder if I should not to listen to my cousins plea's and just drop thing's.

I often feel very sorry for these girls and wonder if they would do this if society treated them correctly.

Also, I have seen inside of thai jails ( as member of 'prisoners friends") and would not like anyone to have to endure that.

She is now aware that she has been found out, claim's she will either

1- kill herself

2- send people to us -veiled threat.No worry's for us at all.

3- pay us back far more than what we estimated she took .In return for our silence.She is a very well known girl 9 so many FB friends) we found out (she frequents all the local soi 11 hangouts) and obvioulsy seem's to want to avoid any scandle.

So, simply,advise please. Ruin her trade,save others their money and feelings- or drop whole matter?

"Yeap been a long time coming, one suspects the next step will be clamping down on over stayers, the days of paying a 20k fine slap on the wrist and coming back into Thailand the next day may we well and truly over as well...

its was going to happen one day that immigration would get fed up with people taking the P*ss of the system"

again-not really.All a western person need do is change their name obtain passport in that new name( its very easy for UK subjects who can do it in 1 day and as many times as they please)-and then return. I visit people in prison here and get all the inside info. There is no blacklist that can blacklist anybody.Also, those fingerprint devices- simply do not work.One prisoner told me how easy it was to defeat and there are even websites on it ( which perhaps I should not put name here). No, quite honestly from what I see all these procedures are next to useless and are simply a waste of time and no inconvenience at all to many