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35 minutes ago, khunPer said:

In the beginning, when the hand drawn map-demand was new, I was handed a paper, a ruler and a pen, and was demanded to draw the map on the spot, i.e. sitting on the floor. Next year I draw one from home (to avoid the "floor work"...), which was accepted, but not with a smile, and only after I could explain exactly the directions to my house, and all landmarks in the map.

Before I went to the immigration office I had however scanned my otherwise perfectly fine drawing (I'm an excellent cartographer...????), and the following year I handed in the scanned copy, which were looked at like "not at all acceptable", but after checking all documents again two-three times it was accepted with the words: »I like you are so organized!«

 

Last October, the second time I used a print of the scanning, there were not bad face, all was Okay...????

How ridiculous that they even demand this map at all.  But good to hear you didn't have to sit on the floor and draw it ????  By the way, do you know how much detail they expect?  In my case, in Koh Phangan, there is really only one road that goes from the main town (Thong Sala) all the way to my place on the north coast, which is just on a beach.  After drawing the island, the map to my home would really only require two or three lines.  And they aren't straight lines so I don't know what I would use the ruler for.   Is this simple map enough for them?

40 minutes ago, khunPer said:

You might well be correct – I wrote "might" – but Samui Immigrations is one of the few immigration offices (if not the only one) requiring a medical certificate (of which "syphilis" has been discussed if included or not) for extension of stay based on retirement, and the demand for that certificate seems to be in accordance with what Richard Barrows says (my bold)...

However, time will show.

Maybe I don't understand you but the Bandon certificate for Samui that I posted above does mention syphilis but does NOT mention Covid-19.  So it's not in accordance with what RB said.  Where did you see C-19 mentioned on a Samui certificate?

About the hand-drawn map they require:  do you have to draw it right there in front of them or can you bring one done before?

8 hours ago, khunPer said:

Five of the six items are on TIH's form, they don't include Syphilis, which to my knowledge is needed for extension based on work permit. Nor do TIH make X-rays of take a blood test.

The "big medical check" for WP at Samui Hospital (government's in Nathon) include blood test for drugs, and it costs around 800 baht a few years ago, and was said to take half a day.

Be aware that from 25th January Covid-19 test might be included in the medical report, it's a new Law published in Royal Gazette the 25th December, starting after 30 days. All foreigners shall show negative Covid-19 test. It might rock the price for the medical certificate up, probably in level of some thousand baht, if not Covid-19 test has become cheaper.

Richard Barrow in Facebook...

 

This is uncertain and a lot of people think it’s an incorrect interpretation of the new regulation. The Covid test requirement may not apply to most kinds of visas and extensions.  See this chain:

59 minutes ago, PoorSucker said:

That Bandon certificate is for work permit. 

The six items are nation wide requirements for WP. 

 

Well I told them clearly it’s for a retirement extension and they said it’s the same certificate for all uses at Immigration.  They don’t have other forms. 

16 hours ago, khunPer said:

The one I posted above is from October last year, and accepted by Immigration, and similar to the one I've had for the past several years from Thai International Hospital, except first year 2014, where I used Bandon Hospital, when a health certificate for extensions stay was again needed since before 2007.

 

I cannot remember what I paid at Bandon in 2014, but they didn't check any more that TIH, i.e. blood pressure, pulse, weight, and a kind doctor that listened to my breast; i.e. no X-ray and no blood test. The certificate was the below image...

 

Here's what I now heard from a doctor at Bandon (Koh Phangan) by email:  "... Previously last 2 years, our doctors used to do only physical examination in order to sign the medical certificate but it made our team not comfortable with that to sign the form with doubt. So team (doctors) discussed with the boss and came up with the package of this one - investigation for Syphilis and TB with blood and Xray. ..." 

But after further discussion it turns out they are willing to skip the X-ray and instead do a blood test for TB.  That costs an additional B220 for total of 650+220 = 870.  Pricey but in my mind worth it since they're already doing the blood test for syphilis and it avoids the radiation exposure of an Xray.

2 hours ago, Tropicalevo said:

That form is similar to the one that I used to have to get signed when Noah was a lad (pre 2004???)

I have not seen one of those for years.

Try another hospital or even a private clinic? (Samui Home Clinic Bangrak. I do not know if Dr Bew is allowed to do these but a quick question to her will tell you. Google is your friend.)

People say it now has to be a hospital, not a clinic.  And on the Immigration Office's list of required documents it says "medical certificate (hospital only valid  for 7 days)".

What kind of form have you seen more recently?

1 hour ago, khunPer said:

No X-ray, but a kind doctor was listening to my breast, probably the lungs.

They checked blood pressure and pulse, and asked for my weight and height (I knew it well, so no need to jump on the scale).

No syphilis check on my health certificate, that is (to my knowledge) needed, when applying for B-extension.

 

And this is the (my) recent certificate from Samui International Hospital, accepted by Samui Immigration...

I see yours does not mention syphilis (I did an app photo translation) but it does mention TB.  I guess your hospital is willing to certify no TB based just on listening to lungs rather than X-ray.  I suspect Immigration doesn’t mind that but Bandon Hospital is either trying to be more professional or is trying to justify charging more by doing an X-ray.  

28 minutes ago, khunPer said:

Sure you asked for medicial check for retirement extension?

It' might be better to use Thai International Hospital, Bandon has become more expensive during the later few years; I had no problems at TIH in October, easy and 250 baht...????

Did you have to get an X-ray? Now I asked them and they say yes it’s needed even for retirement extension. Attached is the form they say Immigration needs.  

Just dropped by Bandon hospital in Koh Phangan.  They’re up to speed on the certificate.  B650.  But I was surprised they insist on not only a blood test (syphillis) but a chest X-ray.   They say the certificate has to say I don’t have TB.  Seems crazy, especially since BKK Immigration doesn’t even require a medical certificate at all.  Why the heck should I need that radiation exposure ...

5 hours ago, phetphet said:

 

I was quite surprised to be asked for the old book. I have never been asked at all for neither book nor statements at any 90 day reports. 

 

It's hard to understand why they would ask for bank documents of any kind for a 90 day report.  It's not required by law and not in other offices (at least not in BKK) and it makes no sense because when you report online or by mail you never include bank documents.   Have other people been asked for them?

45 minutes ago, lom said:

No it is not true.

Years ago Samui Immigration only accepted medical certificate from governments Samui Nathon Hospital which involved both a blood test and a urine test.

Nowadays they gladly accept medical certificate from private hospitals, I and most others use Thai Inter in Chaweng where you get the certificate within 20-30 minutes to the price of 250 baht.

You declare yourself fit to stay and the doctor listens to your lungs. That's all.

Thanks, good to hear.  Any chance you know of a good hospital for this on Koh Phangan (that's where I'm located)?

9 hours ago, khunPer said:

You need to show 12 month in bankbook copies, and all pages in a bank book. So when you change bankbook it might be a lot of pages. If you use income method, you need to show that FTT for each month is not less than 65k; if deposit method, you need to show 800k for at least five months, and not less than 400k for the remaining (seven) month.

My best advice, based on several years experience with Samui Immigration: Just strictly follow the rules in their list, then extension of stay is smoothly handled with a smile...????

Good advice but the problem is their list is not nearly as specific  as (from what I hear) the office actually demands.  For example this quibbling about bank books and the exact format of copies. 
 

Also,  the list asks simply for a medical certificate without saying what it should contain and apparently now clinics are not acceptable.  I’ve even heard that only public (not private) hospitals qualify. Is that true? Some of the best hospitals in the country are privately owned.  

6 hours ago, phetphet said:

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The bad news (for me at least) was that although I had printed all pages of current bank book, and had bank letter and statement for last three months, they still wanted to see my old bank book.

When I asked why, I was told, " Boss says have to have old bank book because you used money in bank method last year."

 

I was still doing the same this year. So a trip home was required.

 

I don't know if it would make any  difference, but maybe next time I will ask for a "last twelve months statement" from the bank.  Can't be any more expensive than a three month one.

 

To be clear, are you saying they want a bank book that shows the entire 12 months since your last extension?  If that's the case, I'd like to know what they would do if your current book only goes back say 6 months, and you don't have the old one because you either lost it or discarded it.  There's no law that says you have to keep old bank books, and how could you know it's required if it's your first time with this office? (Other offices don't require this).  Samui's official document list just requires "6. Copies of a bank book, showing the all page." (sic).   Nothing about old books. Surely if you have a statement that goes back 12 months it should suffice .... ? 

34 minutes ago, khunPer said:

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It's some of the additional documents that can be a problem, if youfor example dont have the right rent agreement and documentation from owner; however the specified list from the immigration office includes all you need to prepare...????

Thanks - did they make you give them a copy of the owner's ID?  (Above I noted that may be impossible for me).

54 minutes ago, phetphet said:

90 day takes 5 minutes,( depending on how busy they are. ) I left with my passport straight away. Visa renewal takes one  week. So no passport for one week.

 

Thanks.  What about the multiple re-entry permit, is that also a same-day thing?

I have to file my 90 day report as well as get my visa extension in Samui.   When filing the 90 day do you have to return later for passport/receipt etc. (as with the extension) or is it finished the same day?  If the latter, timing is better if I first apply for my extension, then file the 90 day the next week when I return.

16 minutes ago, phetphet said:

.pdf versions of latest Samui specific TM7 and TM8.

 

TM7 two sides.  TM8 single side.

 

 

2021-01-12-0001-TM7.pdf 938.39 kB · 6 downloads 2021-01-12-0001-TM7b.pdf 849.77 kB · 0 downloads 2021-01-12-0002-TM8.pdf 1.02 MB · 0 downloads

Thanks!!

Eva's list above (from May) includes "4. Print copies of your Rental agreement, House book & Landlords ID."

My landlord is a large company (based in BKK) and I don't see how I could get an ID (I suspect there are multiple owners and anyway I have no contact with them, just the local manager).  I do have the lease and house book.  Do I really need the ID?  

2 hours ago, phetphet said:

I have picked up a couple of Samui specific TM.7's and TM.8's. Scanned them into my computer as .pdfs, completed and printed them off. I have to renew my Non O retirement extension this week, so will see if they will accept them. Or not. Will take hand  written ones along. Just to be sure.

Great idea.  I'm on Koh Phangan and will be going to Samui soon to apply.  So I can't get the forms in advance. Would you mind posting your pdf versions (the blank ones of course) here so I and others could download them? ????

3 minutes ago, ubonjoe said:

TM27 Change of Address.pdf 58.23 kB · 0 downloads

I created it from an image of it that posted by immigration.

Many offices are still using the TM28 form.

Thanks!

On 1/8/2021 at 10:35 AM, ubonjoe said:

They can check if they want to. But many offices still want to see proof it was done.

To be prepared I'd like to fill out a formTM27 to take to Samui.   Where can I download it?  Doesn't seem to be on this site (where you linked a lot of forms) and can't find it on the Immigration site.

Thanks.

19 hours ago, ubonjoe said:

Ask the resort for a screen shot of the TM30 the did within 24 hours. The should be able to check it in on the website.

 

Not sure Samui is using the the TM27. They will probably only want a TM30 done to change your address.

Is there a reason they need us to bring a screenshot of the TM30?  I know Chaeng Wattana did too but can’t these offices see the registrations internally on their computer system?  

Is the Samui office requiring a Form TM27 to be filed when you change your residence to this province? I recently moved from BKK to Koh Phangan.   

1 hour ago, ubonjoe said:

The TM27 form is for a change of your registered address that immigration has. It is the same for all types of entries to the country or extension of stay.

I think you are mixing up the TM27 requirements with a TM30 report. A change went into effect for TM30 reports went into effect on June 30th of 2020. For most people a TM30 report is no longer needed unless changing your registered address. TM30 reports done by hotels and such do not change your registered address.

 

I was thinking of TM27 and now I looked at the version of the new Regs you posted this year.   I was focused on s. 2.2 and 2.3 (reporting to police, from which retirees are exempted) not 2.1 which is reporting to Immigration and from which as you say there seem to be no exemptions. So now I have to ask, what should I do given I’ve moved to Koh Phangan from BKK and there’s no Immigration office here (just in Samui) and I’m already well past 24 hours?  I plan to go to Samui Immigration in a few weeks to do my non O-A extension (retirement) so could I just file the TM27 there and then?  Will I be fined for lateness?  Can I do it same day as the extension?