TerraplaneGuy

8 hours ago, Max69xl said:

How did you register? As the landlord/owner with tabien baan and thai id or yourself as foreigner and as the possessor? 

 

It should look like this if you registered as a foreigner with the address above the Check-in Date:

 

Thanks!  Yes mine looks like that.  It just seemed "check-in" sounded like a hotel whereas I registered as foreigner/possessor (of my condo).  So then, what should I put as "check-out" date if I don't know when I may leave the country (my condo) again?  Also, what should I do with the table at the bottom that seems to have fields for all the same information as the fields at the top of the form (except in horizontal arrangement)?  Do I have to re-enter it all again?  Finally, what docs should I upload when filing, the same as when I registered?  At that time I uploaded scans of my passport and my landlord's tabien (condo land registration).  I didn't upload his Thai ID card although I have it.  

On 9/26/2019 at 12:09 AM, sussex said:

If you're under a time constraint (my posted TM30 took 5 weeks to be returned to me) register online for the TM30 system and you'll immediately get the password. To register you need to upload  your landlord ID + scanned tabien baan.

 

Once you've got your username and password, just enter your details, click the save symbol (diskette) and you should be registered, TM30 done (your details will disappear). You can then search the website for your 'check in date' to confirm you're registered. Don't worry if you haven't done this within 24 hours of landing the first time round.

 

Future trips back to Thailand, just re-enter your details online. 

OK I managed to register online, got their confirmation email and a username and changed my password.  A couple questions:

1. I notice when I click User Profile in the upper right corner of the main page a box opens with User ID, Start Date etc. but nothing is filled in.  Is that normal?

2. Back in the main page, when I try to fill out a TM.30, I chose the menu item "Notify foreigners staying/Notification of foreigners staying (Notification TM.30)".  It opens a window with a lot of fields to fill in that seems more suitable for a hotel than for me (I will be arriving back at my rented condo).  For example, the first field is "Check-out date".  Am I selecting the wrong menu item?  I'm not sure this is the right way for me to file a TM.30 on return to Thailand but I don't see another item for it.

Thanks for any advice! 

1 hour ago, Max69xl said:

You can self report the TM30 as the possessor if you rent a condo in your name. This works at many immigration offices. Online you register as "foreigner" and as the "possessor". The TM28 is officially used for Change of Address, and not for Notification of Stay. 

Thanks.  With this in mind I'll restate the questions I had above, and if you have answers please let me know:

1. I've never filed a TM.30 yet.  I do my retirement extensions at Chaeng Wattana.  I'm outside Thaiand now, returning next month.  Next extension will be in January.  So: if I register and upload the docs now, can I then file the TM.30 online the first time (when I arrive next month) or do I have to go in person to CW?

2. If I fail to file the TM.30 within 24 hours of arrival next month, but file it say a week or two after (whether online or in person) what will happen when I go in January for my extension?  Will they just charge me a fine for the late filing or make me re-file the TM.30? 

Basically my goal is to avoid having to file TM.30s in person at all, if that's possible.  I don't want to have to do it when I go for extension (i.e. waste time and pay a fine then) and don't want to make a special trip for it earlier.  Advice?

1 hour ago, Tanoshi said:

It's a TM30.

          NOTIFICATION FROM THE HOUSE MASTER, OWNER OR POSSESSOR OF THE RESIDENCE                       WHERE ALIEN HAS STAYED. 

 

Section 4 of the Immigration Act defines the House Master as;

“ House Master ” means any persons who is the chief possessor of a house , whether in the capacity of owner , tenant , or in any other capacity whatsoever

 

 

Thanks, I know about that definition (and this issue has been dissected a lot on another thread so I don't think we should get into the statutory interpretation) but when you look at how it is used in the Act there are different opinions, and the Bureau itself seems to have conflicting views so the question of who is responsible gets confused.  For example, the Phuket News reported last month:  

"“No, we don’t hold foreigners responsible for filing the TM30. Foreigners just need to make sure that they fill in a TM28. The TM30 is the landlord’s job,” Phuket Immigration Deputy Chief Col Nareuwat Putthawiro said plainly on Wednesday (Aug 28)".  So it gets quite confusing.  For example, if an expat goes to stay in a hotel in another province for a month, the hotel will normally file a TM30.  But if it doesn't, the expat may be held responsible for filing.  But also, the expat seems required to file a TM28 for precisely the same event.  It would seem he should file both forms, silly as that may seem.  But I don't hear much about that, everybody seems to focus only on the TM30.  In any event, please answer if you can my questions above about how I can file (and whether both TM30 and TM28) on my impending arrival and what happens if I don't file on time.  Those are the practical issues I'm hoping to get guidance on.  Thanks! ????

18 hours ago, TerraplaneGuy said:

I'm now collecting the info to do this registration.  A couple further questions please:

 

1. I've never filed a TM.30 yet.  I do my retirement extensions at Chaeng Wattana.  I'm outside Thaiand now, returning next month.  Next extension will be in January.  So: if I register and upload the docs now, can I then file the TM.30 online the first time (when I arrive next month) or do I have to go in person to CW?

2. If I fail to file the TM.30 within 24 hours of arrival next month, but file it say a week or two after (whether online or in person) what will happen when I go in January for my extension?  Will they just charge me a fine for the late filing or make me re-file the TM.30? 

 

Basically my goal is to avoid having to file TM.30s in person at all, if that's possible.  I don't want to have to do it when I go for extension (i.e. waste time and pay a fine then) and don't want to make a special trip for it earlier.  Advice?

CORRECTION/QUERY: I should maybe have referred in this quoted post above to Form TM.28, instead of TM.30.  It seems most discussion focuses on TM.30 but my understanding (and a recent public statement of a Thai immigration official) is that TM.30 is strictly for landlords, not their expat tenants.  The tenants are said to only have to file TM.28.  I am an expat tenant.  But I know there have been people who thought the TM.30 was also the tenant's obligation if the landlord didn't file.  So, my questions in the above post still apply but please clarify if you know whether the references should be to TM.28, not TM.30.  Thanks!

On 9/27/2019 at 12:16 AM, Tanoshi said:

Click 'Register'.

The registration page will be displayed as per the direct link supplied by UJ.

https://extranet.immigration.go.th/fn24online/FilterNoLogonServlet?nodeId=24&programId=FNHOTELREG

 

Select 'Foreigner' (as opposed to Thai)

Select 'English' (as opposed to Thai) in the address section.

Use the drop down boxes where applicable to select a choice.

Upload a copy of your passport photo page and proof of address, such as copies of landlords Tabien, or a foreigners Yellow Tabien Baan if you possess one.

 

If completed successfully, you should receive an email with a link to verify your email address.

You then wait for a further email detailing your 'login' user ID and password.

I'm now collecting the info to do this registration.  A couple further questions please:

1. I've never filed a TM.30 yet.  I do my retirement extensions at Chaeng Wattana.  I'm outside Thaiand now, returning next month.  Next extension will be in January.  So: if I register and upload the docs now, can I then file the TM.30 online the first time (when I arrive next month) or do I have to go in person to CW?

2. If I fail to file the TM.30 within 24 hours of arrival next month, but file it say a week or two after (whether online or in person) what will happen when I go in January for my extension?  Will they just charge me a fine for the late filing or make me re-file the TM.30? 

Basically my goal is to avoid having to file TM.30s in person at all, if that's possible.  I don't want to have to do it when I go for extension (i.e. waste time and pay a fine then) and don't want to make a special trip for it earlier.  Advice?

14 minutes ago, Tanoshi said:

 

I'd apply to register online for further submissions as advised by @sussex

https://extranet.immigration.go.th/fn24online/

All documents have to be supplied again, or uploaded if doing online submission.

No different than doing an extension, repeat documentation ever time.

Thanks. I checked that page just now - how do I get a user ID and password for it?

On 9/24/2019 at 7:54 PM, Tanoshi said:

If you or the landlord have never previously filed a TM30, to avoid a fine when you next have to visit CW, either yourself or landlord can mail it in as others have done.

Recommend EMS, with pre paid EMS return.

 

Completed TM30.

Copy of Passport photo page.

Copy of Visa/extension.

Copy of TM6.

Copy of last entry stamp.

Signed copies of landlords Tabien Baan and ID card.

Thanks - is there a time limit for mailing this, after returning to Thailand (i. e. after the date of the TM6)?  I heard the requirement was to file the TM30 within 24 hours of arrival, but it seems mailing could take longer.  Also, once I've done this do I take it I am "registered" in the system?  Then, when later I go to get my extension of stay, I assume I won't have to file a TM30 (assuming I haven't left the country) since I'm already in the system, correct?   Finally, once I'm "in the system" and I leave Thailand, what do I have to file along with the TM30 when I return, or is that form sufficient since they already have the other documents (blue book copy, etc.) in the system?  Sorry for all the questions but I've never had to deal with this before since Chaeng Wattana never required it in previous years.

2 hours ago, Tanoshi said:

Since April of this year CW started enforcing filing a TM30.

No TM30 filed, no extension.

Tanoshi, thanks for the quick reply.  So in addition to the usual documents they always required in past, is there anything else needed along with the TM30?  I've heard reference to a copy of the blue book (but never seen one myself).  Is that needed?  I rent a condo owned by a Thai national so I guess he would have the blue book ...

I'm hearing conflicting things about Chaeng Wattana.  I've been doing retirement extensions there for years (last time this January) and never been asked for a TM30.  Are they now consistently asking for those?  Please note I'm speaking specifically about retirement extensions.

Hi, I've seen the press on the TM30 controversy across the country but unclear on the current requirement at Chaeng Wattana.  I've been doing retirement extensions of stay there for 7 years and have never been asked for a TM30.  My most recent was January of this year.  Is CW now requiring a TM30?  

2 minutes ago, jacko45k said:

1. 1st March.

2. Yes. after 1st March.

3. Standard letter never said that, only confirming your account and balance on the day.

4. The OP of another thread. 

Jacko, thanks for your quick reply.  OK, I see you're right about the bank letter, I was a bit confused.  What I should have asked is whether we will now, along with the bank letter, have to show a bank book with all entries for the whole year (along with a copy of that) so they can see the whole picture (unlike in the past when it was only the preceding 3 months' entries they looked at).  Is that required now?

Also, can you (or can anyone) please point me to the other thread you mention with the relevant police order?  I don't know why I'm but I'm having no luck searching for it.

On 2/2/2019 at 9:27 AM, ubonjoe said:

The new rules are not retroactive. If somebody is already on a extension before March 1st the new rules will not apply until their next extension.

When they apply for their next extension they would have to have the 800k baht in the bank for 2 months before they apply and then 3 months after they do it. Then the 400k baht after the 3 months.

 

Guys, sorry to be playing catchup here but I was not aware of the new rules for the 800K baht "seasoning" system for retirement extension, and can't, despite searching, find an authoritative reference to them.  So please tell me: 

1. When did the rules re 800K change, effective what date? 

2. The old system was you had to have 800K in the bank for 3 months before you went for your extension and that was all.   I gather now you have to only have the 800K deposited for 2 months prior, but also musty leave it there for 3 months after, and then for the rest of the year keep 400K deposited.  Correct? 

3. Presumably this means the banks will change (or have already changed) their standard letter to now refer to those three periods, not just the preceding 3 months, correct? 

4. Finally, is there a police order in English or anything official on this?  

Hi All, I live in BKK and want to get out of the smog and get some fresh air.  Thinking of visiting Myanmar, and looking at two very different areas:  Muang Magan beach near Dawei, and the Inle Lake area (including the big city Taunggyi and the hill town Kalaw).  If anyone has been to either recently and can comment on the air quality in them I'd appreciate it.  

11 hours ago, SamuiGeezer said:

... I've had to move house because of this (being smoked out of your house every couple of days would be considered annoying by most people) so far from 'flippant'. It is something to consider when you decide where to rent or even more seriously buy.

I understand that the problem of burning garbage exists throughout rural Thailand. It seems it's because of a combination of inadequate garbage pickup service and a strongly ingrained cultural habit of burning as the "normal" way to dispose of trash.  Of course it's worse in some places than others so:  Just how prevalent is it in Koh Samui?  Is there really hope of finding a home on the island that is free of smoke from neighbours or is the practice so widespread that you pretty much have to count on it affecting you at least occasionally?  I could imagine putting up with it say once or twice a month for a few hours but if it's a daily or even weekly occurrence - especially if you can't predict the timing so can't plan to get out to another place while it's going on - I'd find it hard to live with. 

23 minutes ago, KhunBENQ said:

See my avatar.

And it applies to most of the northeast/Isan but not limited to.

Ah gotcha.  Yes I've been up north during this time of year and the smoke was pretty intense.  The trouble with finding clean air in Thailand (other than that there isn't very much anymore) is that the air quality reports are inadequate in many places, especially the south.  There are few monitoring stations and the ones that exist generally don't report the PM2.5 particles (the most dangerous ones) so they post deceptively "green" readings on the air quality websites.

14 hours ago, islandguy said:

Mostly good air on Samui except for trash fires

Are there places on the island that suffer more or less with those fires, or is it all over?  If I'm choosing where to stay there, can you suggest the best place for air?

7 hours ago, scoutman360 said:

You did very well.  You got your license on a tourist VISA (wow!), and you stood up for your rights and got the additional year as you should have. Well done.

Thanks but no, I'm not on a tourist visa.  I'm on a retirement visa.  The tourist visa I mentioned was a multiple-entry Chinese tourist visa that had nothing to do with Thai drivers licences but which somehow the officer thought was important for her file.

9 hours ago, KhunBENQ said:

It would have made news.

No a trace about the Indonesian or other remote wildfires affecting the south this year.

 

If you want to see wildfires come up here to see burning sugarcane.

Red sky in the night.

Where do you mean by “here”? 

18 minutes ago, normanx1234 said:

When you log on to check confirmation, there are two links - one for the confirmed application and one for the next appointment.

Thanks!  I didn't see the links.  And the confirmed application page does show my bar code.  So all good.  I guess I can now cancel my second, duplicative "pending" application since the first one is now approved.

37 minutes ago, normanx1234 said:

Quite amazing - I have not managed to get past page 1 for previous reports, but today went through the online process in 15 minutes and received approval just 75 MINUTES later. This is in Bangkok.

I got my approval online from Chaeng Watthana too.  But I can’t see where it says when my next one is due.  Does yours? If so where?  Mine just has the page with all my submitted info, transaction date, reference number etc., and a green “APPROVED” stamp at the top right.  No remarks.  Also, the bar code does not show nomatter how many times I load (there's a little broken pic icon only).  Does that matter?  Here's the strange backstory:

When I submitted online, the first time I clicked to submit nothing happened.  I waited a while, still no reaction so I reloaded and submitted again.  Later I checked and the result was that I ended up making TWO submissions a few minutes apart, each with a different reference number.  The first got approved the same day, the second is still pending five days later.  The second does show a bar code when I look at the status page but just says "pending" whereas the first doesn't show a bar code but says "approved".  Not sure if I should cancel the first ("pending") one now; I would but I'm afraid that without a bar code and next due date on the "approved" one, I'm still somehow in limbo!  Ideas?

With air quality in BKK becoming hazardous I was thinking of escaping to KS.  Then I saw an article on Samui Times saying the air there is very bad now because of Indonesian fires.  But although the dateline was today I'm not sure if it's current news.  Any info on current air quality on the island much appreciated! (and if you know about Surat Thani too please advise).  

 Too bad your office doesn’t accept mail.  I’m in BKK and I’ve used the mailing system to Chaeng Watthana for years with little or no problem.   Now that my online report is stuck in “pending” (just started 4th business day) I’m thinking of mailing as well (see my above post) but just a bit worried how they will react to the duplication.  I don’t want to cancel my online because then they might blame me for reporting late (although I know CW is normally lenient about the 15 day deadline as long as they get it before the 90 days expire).  I’m thinking somebody here must have tried this online/mailing combination?

Just want to report I went to Bang Chak today, arrived about 10:20 am and managed to submit paper, pass the eye and reaction tests, and get in the queue for the movie which started at 11:00.  It took almost an hour, then I had to wait till about 1:30 to get my picture taken and the licences (car and bike) issued.  Officer who did the latter tasks was hopeless, insisted I copy more pages from my passport which were completely irrelevant (Chinese tourist visa and some old entry and exit stamps!), then got my birthday and the expiry day wrong, redid the birthday, still couldn't fix the expiry day and had to get her manager to do that.  But then I had to argue with both of them because although the birthday was right, and now the day of expiry was the same (January 20) they thought the expiry year should be 2024.  But since my birthday had just passed and therefore my existing licences had already expired a few days ago, I was entitled to almost 6 years, not 5, according to their own procedures (thank you to this forum for educating me on that!).  I argued with the manager for a while and finally she agreed and they reissued the licences properly.  Six years less 3 days ????  Got out of there around 2:30.

 I submitted online to Chaeng Watthana Monday morning so it's been 3 business days, still pending.  I'm thinking that if tomorrow morning I still haven’t received approval I may print off the screenshot (still "pending") and mail it in along with a completed TM47 and include a letter (in English, can't write Thai) saying I didn't want to wait longer for approval in case there was a glitch so here's everything, please mail my receipt.  Seems sensible to me but I wonder what Immigration staff would make of it.   Anyone tried it?