Tippaporn

I've left. Kinda. Just on temporary assignment.

Food for thought, is all. Each will do with it as they wish.

Each individual is innately driven by a good intent, however distorted that intent may become, or however twisted the means that may be taken to achieve it. As the body wants to grow from childhood on, so all of the personality's abilities want to grow and develop. Each person has his [or her] own ideals, and impulses direct those ideals naturally into their own specific avenues of development — avenues meant to fulfill both the individual and his society. Impulses provide specifications, methods, meanings, definitions. They point toward definite avenues of expression, avenues that will provide the individual with a sense of actualization, natural power, and that will automatically provide feedback, so that the person knows he is impressing his environment for the better. (Long pause.) Those natural impulses, followed, will automatically lead to political and social organizations that become both tools for individual development and implements for the fulfillment of the society. Impulses then would follow easily, in a smooth motion, from private action to social import. When you are taught to block your impulses, and to distrust them, then your organizations become clogged. You are left with vague idealized feelings of wanting to change the world for the better, for example — but you are denied the personal power of your own impulses that would otherwise help direct that idealism by developing your personal abilities. You are left with an undefined, persisting, even tormenting desire to do good, to change events, but without having any means at your disposal to do so. This leads to lingering frustration, and if your ideals are strong the situation can cause you to feel quite desperate. (Pause in a forceful delivery.) You may begin to exaggerate the gull between this generalized ideal and the specific evidences of man's "greed and corruption" that you see so obviously about you. You may begin to concentrate upon your own lacks, and in your growing sense of dissatisfaction it may seem to you that most men are driven by a complete lack of good intent. You may become outraged, scandalized — or worse, filled with self righteousness, so that you being to attack all those with whom you do not agree, because you do not know how else to respond to your own ideals, or to your own good intent (with much emphasis). The job of trying to make the world better seems impossible, for it appears that you have no power, and any small private beneficial actions that you can (underlined) take seem so puny in contrast to this generalized ideal that you dismiss them sardonically, and so you do not try to use your power constructively. You do not begin with your own life, with your own job, or with your own associates. (Louder:) What difference can it make to the world if you are a better salesperson, or plumber, or office worker, or car salesman, for Christ's sake? What can one person do? Yet that is precisely where first of all you must begin to exert yourselves. There, on your jobs and in your associations, are the places where you intersect with the world. Your impulses directly affect the world in those relationships (intently). (Pause.) Many of you are convinced that you are not important — and while [each of] you feels that way it will seem that your actions have no effect upon the world. You will purposefully keep your ideals generalized, thus saving yourself from the necessity of acting upon them in the one way open to you: by trusting yourself and your impulses, and impressing those that you meet in daily life with the full validity that is your own.

To some extent the greater expression of consciousness can be experienced under usual waking conditions, but only when a personality is flexible enough and secure enough to alter the focus of consciousness. This way, other unperceived data become available. The unknown reality is not beyond your experience, therefore. Any of your scientific or religious disciplines could benefit from a study of the dreaming consciousness, for there the basic nature of reality exists as clearly as you can perceive it.

Many of you are fascinated by theories or concepts that hint at the multidimensionality of your beings, and yet you are scandalized by any evidence that supports it.

It is one thing to be theoretically convinced that other worlds exist, and to take a certain comfort and joy from the idea It is quite another thing to find yourself in such an environment, and to feel the worlds coincide. Reality is above all practical, so when you expand your concepts concerning the nature of reality, you are apt then to find yourselves scandalized, appalled, or simply disoriented. So in this work I am presenting you not only with probabilities as conjecture, but, often, showing you how such probabilities affect your daily lives, and giving examples of the ways in which Ruburt's and Joseph's lives have been so touched. For a while, many of you will play with the concepts while avoiding all direct encounters with any other experience, save that already acceptable. Yet the immensities of your own abilities speak in your dreams, in your private moments, as even inaudibly in the knowledge of your own molecules.

You cannot explore the nature of reality, hoping to discover its unknown aspects, if you insist that those aspects correspond with the known ones.

The Nature of Personal Reality: Specific, Practical Techniques for Solving Everyday Problems and Enriching the Life You Know. In this perennial bestseller, Seth challenges our assumptions about the nature of reality and stresses the individual's capacity for conscious action. Included in this book are excellent exercises for applying these theories to any life situation.

You are used to a particular kind of orientation, accustomed to using your consciousness in one particular manner. In order to study the "unknown" reality, however, you must try to see what else you! consciousness can do. This really means that you must learn to regain the true feeling of yourself. There are two main ways of trying to find out about the nature of reality - an exterior method and an interior one. The methods can be used together, of course, and from your vantage point must be for the greatest efficiency. You are well acquainted with the exterior means, that involve studying the objective universe and collecting facts upon which certain deductions are made. In this book, therefore, we will be stressing interior ways of attaining, not necessarily facts, but knowledge and wisdom. Now, facts may or may not give you wisdom. They can, if they are slavishly followed, even lead you away from true knowledge. Wisdom shows you the insides of facts, so to speak, and the realities from which facts emerge. Much of the remainder of "Unknown" Reality, then, will deal with an inside look at the nature of reality, and with some exercises that will allow you to see yourself and your world from another perspective.

Slight correction for the sake of accuracy. Thoughts are thinking about ideas. So technically beliefs are made of ideas. Beliefs create experience. Full stop. Placebos work for some people. They work for those people whose beliefs about them are in line with the effects they expect. It's not a matter of strengthening one's mind. It's a matter of choosing one's beliefs. Beliefs which are beneficial rather than detrimental. There are only two things one can think about - what is wanted and what is unwanted. What is wanted is beneficial and what is not wanted is detrimental. This mental power is nothing new. You and everyone else have been using it all of your lives. If one wishes to 'harness' this mental power, e.g. consciously direct it, then the way to do that would be to choose beneficial ideas over detrimental ones. As to detrimental ideas, "Argue for your limitations and they're yours." If you're interested in arguing for your unlimitations then this video shows how you go about doing it.

You're headed in the right direction. If you keep going in that direction you'll eventually discover that every facet of life is about beliefs.

Well, since you spent the time and the effort to produce this masterpiece of pop psychology I feel it only polite to give you a response so that you might feel that your effort was for naught. I laughed my ar$e off reading that, Sunmaster. The assumptions you make about me which are the basis for your interpretations are truly of the grandest and most fanciful pure fiction. I applaud you for ability to not get a single thing correct. You've provided us all a most wonderful example which so beautifully illustrates the power of belief. As long as you believe it to be true then true it is for you. That almost deserves a standing ovation. But since those aren't available then another hand clap will have to suffice. Poor Sunmaster has "seen the light" and believes that no one else has if it is not experienced in the identical fashion of his once-in=a=lifetime Kundalini Awakening. Which he will strive for the rest of his life to hopefully repeat again. Though he knows full well that it is not up to him - for he must have the blessing of some deity or other imagined force (can't remember what you called it but you mentioned it twice that I know of). I can only give praise to God, or Buddha, or Brahman, or All That Is, or The One, or maybe all of them for sparing me a life imprisoned in the head of Sunmaster. I would be fated to a miserable existence of cutting the overgrown and strangling weeds of so many useless beliefs and never denting them. It was certainly a magnificently creative piece of pop psychology for which you deserve another round of applause. Not rooted in science but firmly rooted in fantasy. Though it is true that the two are often indistinguishable. But it was highly artistic. I first appeared an ally for my criticisms and insights were directed at our mutual "foes." I was applauded But once I dared turn those criticisms and insights in the direction of Sunmaster then I was suddenly transformed from a guy with great perceptions and wisdom to a verbose dolt who just didn't "get it." The world can indeed turn on a dime. Well, this thread is all yours now, Sunmaster. Good luck trying to "help" those who aren't looking for help, nor want help, nor seek help, and they really don't even need help. They're all fine just the way they are. You cannot alleviate any of their "suffering." But go ye forth and do the work of Brahman.

Boy, that was a fast response, Sunmaster. Not surprising as evidently you understood none of it. But of course you can't understand any of it. Your beliefs won't allow it. Anyway, let no man say that you or anyone else broke me. For I lay claim to that. I, too, woke this morning with fresh inspiration. It had to do with my age old question of why I post on this or any other forum. I received the answer this morning and it was clear as a bell. I was going to post it all but thanks to your last post, Sunmaster, it would be in vain. Thanks for saving me the time and trouble. You can, if you'd like, reciprocate by thanking me for now never having to spend the time and effort to compose you Magnum Opus to me. For it will only be more of the same. Religious nonsense. So I leave you to be the resident Swami, here, Sunmaster. Swami Sunmaster. That has a nice ring to it. Maybe you can make your own YouTube videos and monetise them. Not a bad idea, eh? How many Swami white men are out there? You could corner that market. Make yourself famous, too. And by realising fame (and possibly great fortune) people might listen and believe you, too. You're not doing so well here. You're a good man, Sunmaster. A very good man. I wish you well on your journey to become Brahman. Cheers to you all, Tippers P.S. In the far, far outside chance that anyone needs to contact me you can find me here:

And some of us aren't. Moral of the story? To each their own. As it should be.

You're in a cult and the leader of it, too, Frogs. Your own, of which you are the only member and so forced to be it's leader, too. Please do share your beliefs about who you are, the world, the universe, reality, God, and whatever else. You don't. That keeps you safe. For no one could then criticise you for what you believe. And since no one knows what your beliefs are then you can always give the appearance of having 'normal' beliefs which "everyone" else subscribes to and agrees upon. That also gives you free reign to criticise, poke fun at, and ridicule everyone else's beliefs and ideas. Easy to do when you have none of your own. Chicken, is what I call it. You have no idea how transparent you are, Frogs. Every village has a . . .

After all of my harsh criticisms and you come back rather nonplussed. Kudos to you, Sunmaster. You've shown that you are truly secure within yourself. It's what's implied, Sunmaster. It's what's implied. You can't see that. Yet. It's you're very beliefs which blind you to it. You see, Sunmaster, what you don't get is that it's all spiritual. All of it. Remember this from Swami Sarvapriyananda's video? You have Brahman on the far left, that which you are. Everything on the right side is not the r-e-a-l you. The goal is to get to Brahman. Brahman is the spirit. The rest is not. That's the great distortion in eastern religion. It purports that only Brahman is spiritual and the rest is not. Your goal, Sunmaster, is to connect with that spiritual part of yourself and become it. You've been hoodwinked into believing that the Sunmaster portion of yourself, including all of it's doings, is NOT spiritual. Any consciousness automatically tries to express itself in all probable directions, and does so. In so doing it will experience All That Is through its own being, though interpreted, of course, through that familiar reality of its own. Because you believe that the Sunmaster portion of you, and all of it's doings, is not spiritual then the above statement makes no sense to you. You can't see how you and all of you're doings are in fact spiritual. They cannot be otherwise as they are 'you'. You are, we all are, in this very moment spirits clothed in flesh, blood and bones. For that portion is indeed a manifestation of our inner self. That portion IS our inner self. As you say, we already are that which we are. You've got that correct, but only partially. You fail to see yet that our physical existence IS a manifestation, a representation in symbolic form, in which inner being inserts ITSELF into a reality which it has created for the purpose of expressing itself in a new way. Through that expression it creates itself in an entirely new fashion and then that expression of itself knows itself in new ways via experience in another reality. The inner self does this eternally via creating an infinite number of realities, not just the physical, for the same purpose. The abilities of the inner self are infinite. Here we are meant to use what abilities we have to their fullest and in so doing we express our inner self. The use of our abilities can find expression in an infinite number of ways. To use your examples, as an economist and as a surgeon. Those endeavours are spiritual in nature. But since you believe that our doings in this world are not then you are blind to that fact. Again, your very belief blinds you from seeing that. Given that every reality has it's limitations, it's boundaries, then so any given individual within any reality is limited as to the amount of abilities he or she is able to express in any given lifetime. Hence probable selves and reincarnational selves, et al. For all of our abilities will be used and if they are not used by 'you' in a given lifetime, or a given reality, then they will be used and find expression by other 'yous'; whether that is a probable 'you' or a reincarnational 'you', or a counterpart 'you', and so on. Rising to challenges is a basis for existence in every aspect of existence. It is the developer of all abilities, and at the risk of being trite, it is the responsibility of even the most minute particle of consciousness to use its own abilities, and all of its abilities, to the utmost. Upon the degree to which this is done rests the power and coherence of everything that is. Here Seth explains the importance of using our abilities. Again, whether the use those abilities are expressed in terms of being an economist or being a surgeon. Again, ". . . it is the responsibility of even the most minute particle of consciousness to use its own abilities, and all of its abilities, to the utmost." I've accused you, Sunmaster, of having an identity crisis. I've told you several times that our concept of identity is extremely limited. And I will chastise you now for never asking me what I meant by that or for never asking me anything about identity. You have no curiosity about it. I understand, though, why you wouldn't and didn't ask me. For why would you need to hear a different explanation of what identity is when you already know what it is? Your identity is Brahman. What of Sunmaster? Does he not have an identity? Or is that identity not real, not valid? Seth constantly refers to multi-personhood. Over and over again he states that we are multidimensional beings. To say that there is more to us than we realise means that we have many more "I-selves." There is no single "I," not in terms of the physical nor in terms of the inner self. I would fully understand if that concept might escape you. Perhaps you may get a slight 'feel' for it but I doubt a single reading would give you any great clarity. To understand that we are multidimensional beings is something that you would have to work at. In the least to give it more than a passing thought, which may only result in you dismissing the concept entirely. Which is quite possible if you are insistent on following the ideas of Vedanta, for multidimensionality does not at all fit within that framework. And would indeed wreak havoc on that framework if it were to be included. The bottom line here, Sunmaster, is that as long as you fail to understand that all of it is spiritual, you and all of your doings, as long as you fail to understand that there is nothing that is not spiritual, you will continue to make senseless divisions as to what is spiritual and what is not. Sooner or later that effort will bring you to the proper understanding for the idea of divisions to the self do not work. I'm no saint, nor do I aspire to become one, but book learning has given me spiritual knowledge. You can deny all you want that it has, until you turn blue in the face if you wish, but I know better. I've also accused you, Sunmaster, of not understanding the Seth material for you have admitted that it is convoluted. You took great exception and spat out with great indignation that just because you said it was convoluted doesn't give me the right to say that you didn't understand it. Well, friend, again the proof is in the pudding. BTW, convoluted has this definition: (esp. of expression in speech or writing) having a complicated structure and therefore difficult to understand. Also, these synonyms: baffling, perplexing, confused, puzzling, tangled. To say something is convoluted and then claim it's understood would not be honest. I've written, too, that it was most puzzling to me why you objected to my posting Seth's actual material and why you wanted me to explain it to you in my own words. For it made no sense. Would I be able to explain Seth's material better than Seth himself? That's nonsensical. It does make sense, though, in light of the fact that you have trouble understanding Seth's material due to it's 'convoluted' nature. But again I say the proof is in the pudding. And the pudding is what you wrote above. The cornerstone of the Seth material is this: You create your reality using ideas. Thoughts being ideas. Beliefs being ideas one accepts as "true." The above clearly shows that you have no idea of what ideas are, where they come from, where they go, what their purpose is, and what effects they produce. They are the very thing which creates your physical experience and yet this seems to go completely over your head. You think you can tame them? My response: Again, this is a cornerstone of the Seth material and how can any of the rest of the material make any sense if that key concept is failed to be understood? It can't. This characteristic of materializing thoughts and emotions into physical realities is an attribute of the soul. Now in your reality, these thoughts are made physical. In other realities, they may be "constructed" in an entirely different fashion. So your soul, that which you are, constructs your physical daily reality for you from the nature of your thoughts and expectations. ... You can readily see, therefore, how important your subjective feelings really are. This knowledge - that your universe is idea construction - can immediately give you clues that enable you to change your environment and circumstances beneficially. If you want to reject that concept then there's naught I can do about it. Keep attempting the impossible and carry on with 'taming' your thoughts for as long as you have the endurance to do so. Vedanta has no idea of what thoughts, ideas and beliefs are because it doesn't at all attempt to explain them other that to say the are 'objects' in the realm of Maya. The fact that you don't understand that it is ideas which create our experience then that also explains why you've never answered the question I've put to you asking where suffering comes from. Unless you understand that you create your personal, private and en masse experience you cannot begin to answer the question. Without the understanding that we create or own reality then any answer to that question will be entirely fabricated from whole cloth. The fact is that each of you create your own physical reality; and en masse, you create both the glories and the terrors that exist within your earthly experience. Until you realize that you are the creators, you will refuse to accept this responsibility. As well, it is not the mind or the ego which prevents the revealing of the 'bigger' you. It is your beliefs. I've said again and again that your concept of what the ego is is largely distorted. Some of your ideas are correct but others woefully miss the mark. It cannot relate to a reality that you will not allow it to perceive. It can poorly help you to survive when you do not allow it to use its abilities to discover those true conditions in which it must manipulate. You put blinders upon it, and then say that it cannot see. Your beliefs are the blinders which you put on your ego. Even so, it is much more resilient and eager to learn than is generally supposed. It is not natively as rigid as it seems. Its curiosity can be of great value. If you have a limited conception of the nature of reality, then your ego will do its best to keep you in the small enclosed area of your accepted reality. If, on the other hand, your intuitions and creative instincts are allowed freedom, then they communicate some knowledge of greater dimensions to this most physically oriented portion of your personality. Again, it is your beliefs which limit the ego and turn it into that 'object' which you have been led to believe inhibits your ability to perceive your greater reality. To develop your ego via changing your beliefs in order to assist the ego in assisting you then you would call that preening the ego, I suppose. But the ego is you. The Sunmaster 'you'. Part of my purpose is to acquaint your egotistical self with knowledge that is already known to a larger portion of your own consciousness, that you have long ignored. Again, when you become aware that there is more to yourself then you will change the role that the ego plays. You must also realize that while I use terms like "soul" or "entity," "inner self," and "present personality [ego]," I do so only for the sake of convenience, for one is a part of the other; there is no point where one begins and another ends. Keeping in mind always that the divisions made are for "the sake of convenience" would prevent you from ever viewing the ego as an 'object' in Maya. You seem to perceive exclusively through your physical senses, and yet you have only to extend your egotistical idea of reality, and you will find even your egotistical self accepting quite readily the existence of nonphysical information. As it does, so its own ideas of its own nature will automatically change and expand, for you will have removed limitations to its growth. Your idea of reality is whatever your beliefs about it are. As you expand and therefore change your beliefs about reality then your ego becomes an ally and no longer the hindrance you have forced it to be due to your limited beliefs about reality. Now often the ego acts as a dam, to hold back other perceptions - not because it was meant to, or because it is in the nature of an ego to behave in such a fashion, or even because it is a main function of an ego, but simply because you have been taught that the purpose of an ego is restrictive rather than expanding. Currently you are completely, utterly convinced that the ego is restrictive; inhibiting. It is what prevents you from realising an awareness of your inner self, and stands in the way of experiencing that inner reality. Only, only if you insist that the ego works against you. The ego does want to understand and interpret physical reality, and to relate to it. It wants to help you survive within physical existence, but by putting blinders upon it, you hamper its perception and native flexibility. Then because it is inflexible you say that this is the natural function and characteristic of the ego. Again, you saddle the ego with poor beliefs and then blame it for it's poor functioning. But you don't understand what beliefs are, what their function is, and certainly not what their effects are. Well, one of those effects is that your beliefs convince you that the ego is the problem when you wish to connect with your inner reality. For a second reading: It cannot relate to a reality that you will not allow it to perceive. It can poorly help you to survive when you do not allow it to use its abilities to discover those true conditions in which it must manipulate. You put blinders upon it, and then say that it cannot see. As long as you insist on your interpretation of what the ego is you won't begin to be able to understand what the ego truly is. You need to set aside your ideas of what the ego is first before you can understand what Seth is explaining. Now you seem to think that I do not understand your viewpoints, Sunmaster. You fail to understand that I understand your viewpoints perfectly in all of their nitty gritty detail. I understand perfectly well, for instance, your concept of the ego. But it is you who do not understand my viewpoint. And that's because you're too goddamned busy coming from yours. You speak well, but you don't listen well. Oh, I can hear your cries of indignation all the way to where I am sitting. And yet again the proof is in the pudding. Both you and @Red Phoenix have expressed to me your beliefs and where they come from. Granted, Vedanta is only a single source for your world view, Sunmaster. And granted as well that Gurdjieff is only a single source for RP's world view. Now I have spent hours upon hours investigating your sources and have schooled myself as to how they view the world and why. I've dedicated the time necessary to have an informed opinion regarding those sources. Yet it's been painfully obvious to me that the two of you have not done the same with the Seth material. For I have provided it to each of you and all I need to do to know that the two of you haven't done your homework is to see if there were any downloads. Yes, eventually there were. But the fact that there were downloads doesn't mean that any of those PDFs were ever opened and read by either of you. The fact that neither of you have ever commented on that material, oftentimes even when asked, or have failed to ask me anything about the material points to the conclusion that neither of you have done your homework to understand where my world view comes from. You guys haven't the interest. And so you guys don't listen very well. That's not an indictment, it is simply what it is. Now Sunmaster has said that he's currently reading one of Seth's early, unpublished works so I give you credit there. But I'll warn, as long as you bring your current beliefs with you and by doing so attempt to sift the material through those beliefs you will gain very little, if anything.

Nice post, scorecard, and thanks for the personal story. It was most enjoyable. Your experience was a real eye opener for you. A man of the cloth who does not truly believe what he preaches and so lies so that others maintain faith in his God. Question his God and his wrath, not God's, will come down on you. You might find some of that going on here. BTW, here's an early 80th birthday greeting for you.

Oh come now, Sunmaster. Time and again you've told me that my book learning amounts to nothing compared with direct experience. It's barren, are the words you once used, I believe That invalidates book learning as having any true value. And since book learning is experience, a part of our experience, then by extension it devalues the rest of experience. So no, I didn't put any words in your mouth. I could, if so inclined, go back to all of your posts and provide you with your own words. You've a piss poor estimation of your own ego, for instance, which you've expressed many times. It's internal dialogue is nothing more than monkey chatter. How demeaning. It inhibits you from realising your "true" self - again I remind you that your idea of identity is extremely limiting - and works against you. And yet your ego is a portion of you. How can you then speak so poorly of your own self and believe that a portion of it is your enemy? Goofy, confused looks don't suffice as an answer, @Sunmaster. Hopefully you'll respond to this once you get back this evening.

Please do answer that question, @Sunmaster, so I don't have to re-ask it a hundred frickin' times. @Red Phoenix ignored answering it as well. Maybe RP has exited this thread for good as I can't draw him out yet. Also, I'm not looking for a simple "yes" or "no" answer for that really tells me little, so tell me in your own words what it means to you.

sth? Sorry, that renders your first statement unintelligible for me. I wholeheartedly agree with your second statement, though. And that's my beef with Sunmaster's idea. Not my beef with Sunmaster the dude. But with his idea. All experience, on whatever level, has importance and validity. I'm not arguing that an adventure in consciousness may be more powerful in it's brilliance and clarity in conveying knowledge. I'm only arguing that that avenue for gaining knowledge does not invalidate other avenues which lead to knowledge which is just as valuable and necessary. The reasoning behind that is if that avenue of acquiring knowledge is all that's needed then what the hell are we doing here as physical creatures?

Man, I have to wait all day? No problem. Though I may retire early today as I have to get up very early tomorrow morning - like about 1~2 AM. Bring it on. German, Italian, double barrelled shot gun, 16mm caliber machine gun, RPGs, Hellfire missiles . . . ah ain't scared a nuttin'. Got nukes? Bring 'em. Hopefully you've got it through your head by now that you can't hurt me. I don't tuck my tail between my legs and run. I am not my ideas so I take none of this personally. As Frogs said:

Oh come now, Sunmaster. Time and again you've told me that my book learning amounts to nothing compared with direct experience. It's barren, are the words you once used, I believe That invalidates book learning as having any true value. And since book learning is experience, a part of our experience, then by extension it devalues the rest of experience. So no, I didn't put any words in your mouth. I could, if so inclined, go back to all of your posts and provide you with your own words. You've a piss poor estimation of your own ego, for instance, which you've expressed many times. It's internal dialogue is nothing more than monkey chatter. How demeaning. It inhibits you from realising your "true" self - again I remind you that your idea of identity is extremely limiting - and works against you. And yet your ego is a portion of you. How can you then speak so poorly of your own self and believe that a portion of it is your enemy?

My belief comes from my Damascus moment. It doesn't require examination as it happened, and I accept it as my proof that God exists. There is absolutely no way you can disprove my Damascus moment. I was not on drugs, I was not drunk, I was not tired, I was fit and healthy ( it was a long time ago ), I wasn't a believer, and I wasn't looking for it. I have never suffered hallucinations under such conditions before or since. I don't for a moment doubt your Damascus moment and certainly neither would I invalidate it. But I'm sure that Damascus moment didn't enlighten you on all of life and reveal all answers to life. It was proof of God's existence but in and of itself it didn't solve all of your earthly "problems." Any and all of those problems are due to your unexamined beliefs. These are two distinctly separate issues. "I believe man is flawed and no good." That, for instance, is a belief. And an unexamined one, for if you were to seriously examine it you cannot but realise the truth is otherwise. But the belief will produce the results which are it's nature. And those results will be most unpleasant. You simply cannot connect the dots as yet as to how exactly that belief plays out in your world.

Ho, ho, ho. Sunmaster makes his return. Maybe. We'll have to see. Goddamnit, Sunmaster, how can you invalidate the lived experience of physical reality? You've "seen the light," only once and briefly so, you've interpreted as you do and do not even question that interpretation. I've had my own "direct experience" but it's never led me to devalue physical experience. Any consciousness automatically tries to express itself in all probable directions, and does so. In so doing it will experience All That Is through its own being, though interpreted, of course, through that familiar reality of its own. Do you believe that, Sunmaster? I do. Physical experience, and that includes all of it - including reading books, allows for the valid experience of All That Is. I resent any ideas which attempt to water down physical experience or any expression within it. Or purports that knowledge on the physical level is less than knowledge gained via 'direct experience'. No doubt they are different but each is equally valid. Who the hell are you to say that our experience, my experience as a physical creature is invalid and meaningless? When I say that your create your own reality via beliefs, granted I got that out of a frickin' book second hand, I've experienced that knowledge by putting into practice. And you're going to tell me that's not valid experience? That's daft. I'll quote myself from my unanswered post to @Red Phoenix: You cheapen and devalue any knowledge gained from any experience other than the ultimate superior "direct experience." You refuse to accept that they are equally important, valuable and valid. Geezus Kerist. I've resorted to mocking and shaming because polite conversation doesn't seem to work with you. So please forgive me for beating you over the head. Repeatedly. If the pain of indignation is to much to bear then disappear. Lick your wounds in private. Else give me some of that German that's in you. Throw in the Italian part, too. I won't feel indignant and hurt over what you really think.

@Sunmaster @Red Phoenix Quitters. Where do I send the first aid kits?