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There are proofs for enigmas, Frogs. I'm certain of it. And if no proof then I can always rely on pure faith.

@save the frogs I remember that you had once suggested that I write a book. I can't say what triggered the remembrance but as I remembered all of a sudden a book title came to me out of nowhere. Nowhere being within, too. But since I'm within God then the within was not within me but within the me that is within God. Does that make sense? Anyway, I can't honestly attribute it to my own creativity so I'll write the dedication to He who was the true inspiration. It would be a self-help book of incredible value, found in the occult section of all book stores. How To Speak Greek In English It's brilliant if I must say so myself. And it would be the easiest book ever written, too. All I have to do is copy and paste from the Seth material. Of course, I would also pepper it throughout with my own examples of speaking Greek in English by quoting some of my own thoughts. Just so I can say it's an original work. Why I could even include some of my conversations with @Sunmaster and @Red Phoenix. But then they may want some credit and demand their share of royalties. So maybe not such a good idea. What I need now, though, is some encouragement and confidence that the book would sell. Tell me you'll buy a copy, Frogs, and I'll begin work immediately.

We hardly missed ya, Frogs.

That sounds to me like we're done talking. For what you're looking for isn't gonna come from me, neither. It's true to say that the answers are all within us. So go within? But the physical world, being a three dimensional extension of us and therefore not existing as "not us," and having it's source therefore be from within, means that without is within as well. Gee, I feel like I'm making a confusing mess of things. Thankfully for Frogs he left and will not have to suffer reading that nonsense.

See you in about 5 minutes. I can almost set my watch to your reappearances. Don't ever take up the occupation of a magician, Frogs. Your disappearing acts never work. ". . . because I don't need to read this nonsense." No problem. There's endless other nonsense out there for your entertainment.

Whilst I am reviewing the ideas which make up Vedanta I wanted to give you something to think about in the meanwhile. I'll once again quote the title of the essay Jane composed via automatic writing and which represented her initial experience with her mystic nature. The Physical Universe As Idea Construction. That simple statement is one of the keys to understanding the world we find ourselves in as it succinctly and accurately informs as to how our reality is composed. Our reality is constructed using ideas and beliefs. If you are able to understand the implication of that then much that is seemingly incomprehensible begins to become obvious. Seth provides ideas. Vedanta provides ideas. Some ideas are the same and some are different. Yet ideas is all that either offer. Then given those ideas it becomes a matter of discerning which ideas are an accurate reflection of what reality is and how it functions. What is clear is that two ideas which oppose each other cannot both be an accurate reflection of reality. Therefore it is not a matter of better or best but one of accuracy. One is accurate and the other is not. One of the ideas of Vedanta, as you have expressed, is that there is intellectual understanding and there is direct understanding. Direct understanding trumps intellectual understanding. And so via comparison it is concluded that intellectual understanding is inferior. Not only is it inferior but intellectual understanding cannot lead to any true understanding. True understanding can only be validly gotten via direct understanding. Those, my friend, are ideas. And they are ideas I most strongly reject as being an accurate representation of how reality works. They are, therefore, what I consider a distortion of the truth. My evidence? That would be my own experience, for one. Consider this from the 29th session given by Seth on February 26, 1964 (bolded text is mine): " ... Needless to say, I wanted you to know that there is much more than even this, complexities that are truly astounding, intelligences that operate in what I suppose you would call a gestalt fashion, building blocks of vitalities of truly unbelievable maturity, awareness, and comprehension. These are the near ultimate [as I understand such things]. "This material should not make you feel unimportant or insignificant. The framework is so woven that each particle [of consciousness] is dependent upon every other. The strength of one adds to the strength of all. The weakness of one weakens the whole. The energy of one recreates the whole. The striving of one increases the potentiality of everything that is, and this places great responsibility upon every consciousness. "I would even advise a double reading of the above sentence, for it is a keystone, and a vital one. Rising to challenges is a basis for existence in every aspect of existence. It is the developer of all abilities, and at the risk of being trite, it is the responsibility of even the most minute particle of consciousness to use its own abilities, and all of its abilities, to the utmost. Upon the degree to which this is done rests the power and coherence of everything that is." Well, if you can believe that information then apparently the intellect is not solely an attribute of human consciousness. And therefore the intellect can be used to gain true knowledge and understanding. Which means that direct experience is not the only avenue to attaining real knowledge and understanding. The rest of the material hints at the fact that every reality which exists is a creation which has within it inherent challenges which demand the use of our abilities as consciousnesses, and those specific abilities which would be involved in any given type of reality. When I ask you "why is Sunmaster here in this world" my answer is that this reality is one of your creations and demands that you use all of the abilities of the type of consciousness that is yours presently. And using those abilities is what leads to the fulfillment of the individual personality (such as your art for you). And through your personality then that adds to the fulfillment of your greater self and All That Is. Adds to, which suggests that there is no single fulfillment. "All consciousness has within it the deep abiding impetus to use its abilities fully, to expand its capacities, to venture joyfully beyond the seeming barriers of its own experience. The very consciousnesses within the smallest molecules cry out against any ideas of limitation. They yearn toward new forms and experiences. Even atoms, then, constantly seek to join in new organizations of structure and meaning. They do this "instinctively."" NoPR "All of this may seem to have little to do with your daily personal experience, and yet it is intimately connected, for personally and en masse you can indeed create "the best" of all possible worlds. "The performance of a great athlete gives evidence of abilities inherent in the human form that are little used. Great artists by their very works demonstrate other attributes latent in the race as a whole. They still represent one-line delineations, however. Within the experience of your race as you know it lie all the patterns that would point to some fully developed human being, in which all inherent tendencies were given full play and came to fruition. "You would have an individual who displayed within himself [or herself] all of those great abilities known to the race, fulfilled according to his own unique temper — the artist, mathematician, athlete, the inventor — all the extraordinary qualities of creaturedom; the emotional realities would be used to their capacity, and any of the racial qualities or characteristics of the species would be given their complete freedom. "Wisdom and foolishness would be seen as aspects, one of the other. Religion and science would each be unhampered by dogma in such an individual. In the same way, following your own "trace" experiences and characteristics, you can discover those "probable" abilities that are yours, and uncover to some degree the nature of probable actions open to you for physical materialization." NoPR That's why Sunmaster is in the world. I better stop expounding now before I'm accused of being long winded and/or abstract. Hopefully it conveys some basic ideas and understanding.

Thanks, Frogs. A Tull fan is all the evidence needed to know that I'm not all bad and that a connection does exist with other Tull fans.

The world is flush with ideas about what reality is and how it functions. I think the population is 8 billion plus. That gives an indication of how many different ideas are out there. How bizarre, or not, are your ideas about what reality is and how it functions? As bizarre, perhaps, as the ideas expressed in the video. Of course Paul Wallis doesn't consider his ideas bizarre. And I would wager you don't consider your ideas bizarre either. There's an old saying: The insane always see themselves as sane.

In essence here's what you're saying, Frogs: If I can't understand it then it's meaningless and therefore practically useless. Complexity = abstract. You could as well say that physics is complex to the point of abstraction and so far beyond your understanding that it's meaningless and therefore practically useless. You might also correctly say that your ego is tripping all over itself in resentment of complexity and therefore automatically rejects anything that is not meant for a simpleton. Is that an accurate assessment? That assessment isn't given as a judgemental slight, Frogs. It's meant as a question that you might want to consider and answer for yourself. Honestly or not.

I couldn't give your video a reaction as I can only give one. So I have to reply to give it two reactions. I'm starting to see more clearly where you're at with this. Everything you write is pretty much verbatim of what the Swami talked about and what's talked about in this video. The benefit of those videos is that the information is more structured than our conversations. Our conversations are ad hoc in that we jump around from one specific idea to another. That makes it much more difficult for me to get an overall picture of the idea construct of Advaita Vedanta, or any thought system that is more loosely or more tightly based upon it. As I've said, there will be similarities and differences. I give a thumbs up for the similarities. But then there are other ideas expressed which, sorry to say, I find putrid. I would consider those ideas to be conclusions which are reached from the experience of connecting with, say, your inner self which then become explanations, for example, for what our physical self is. Those are what I call the distortions of the truth. And in my most honest and humble opinion I consider some of those distortions to be quite massive and even detrimental. Anyway, I need some time to sift through all of this information and organise my thoughts before I reply to your last posts and to this latest video. I'll probably watch it a second time. Maybe even a third. I might want to watch some more of the Swami's videos. Advaita Vedanta doesn't seem to be a very complex system of thought. So far I see there are a number of basic concepts, tied together to make overall sense. I say it's not very complex because there is a whole lot that's left out. Hence why I bombard you with endless questions that I think become frustrating for you.

You got me there.

That first reply wasn't enough? I'm still on that one. You're intent on keeping me busy the rest of the day.

@Sunmaster You are an artist, Sunmaster. Could Brahman have created your works of art? Or did Brahman need you to create those works? Could Brahman have created those works in it's imagination? Most definitely. But Brahman could not, however have the experience of it. You were able to experience the act of creating your artwork. And so through you Brahman finds fulfillment that it otherwise could not have had. Which makes your Sunmaster existence vitally important to Brahman. Is that difficult to understand? Does that not convey the true purpose of life on earth? Creativity is a derivative of the word creation. I've asked before, too, where does creativity fit in with Advaita Vedanta? Is there any discussion of it? For creativity is an inherent aspect and function of existence. To create. I would think that such an elementary aspect of Brahman would be a topic that's covered in detail in Advaita Vedanta.

How do you "refocus" consciousness? View what other realities? If we can't even see the whole of this reality...? Haven't you gotten the answers to those two questions from reading Seth's first two books? I'm shocked that you're asking those questions. Not really, as it does make sense. Refocusing your consciousness might be better understood by replacing consciousness with awareness. Your awareness changes after a six pack of beer, or smoking a joint, or taking a hit of acid. But you can achieve the same without the alcohol, weed, or drugs. You learn to change the focus of your awareness consciously and deliberately. I had offered you the book of Seth's complete exercises in changing the focus of your consciousness, each such exercise geared towards a different end. Have you gone through it at all? It appears to me that Advaita Vedanta accounts for only two realities - the illusory physical one and the ultimate reality of Brahman. I've seen no mention of any other reality. The fact that this school of Hinduism believes in reincarnation then your reincarnational selves obviously don't exist in your current reality. So, given that time is simultaneous then where are their existences occurring? The idea of reincarnation then hints at the existence of other realities. Granted, it's still dealing with only a single camouflage system. To consider the idea of the existence of an infinite number of realities, certainly many other than physical, I would think that concept would necessarily throw you for a loop. Consider that Seth has said that not all entities choose to experience our physical reality. What about them, then? Or are all entities engaged in the imprisonment in other realities trying to liberate themselves from their form of suffering, and perhaps their own cycle of existence in those realities, too? I've asked before, what is Sunmaster doing in this world? Did you come here of your own free will, of your own choice, or were you sent here against you free will? And if you chose to come here then for what reason? If you already are a part of God, or Brahman, then what's the point of having to endure suffering via however many reincarnations in order to rediscover your connection? Is that any different than Christian theology's version in which God puts people on earth to prove themselves loyal to and adoring of God? One of the greatest conflicts I see with the Seth material and Advaita Vedanta is this idea of moksha, which is the liberation from suffering and rebirth. For one, the truth is that any suffering is self-created - you create your own reality always, here and in any other reality you find yourself in. For another, liberation from rebirth suggests that a) you did not choose to come here, unless of course you're a masochist, and b) it's a terrible cycle of existence. For what is the definition of 'liberation'? You don't liberate yourself from bliss, do you? I do believe you never went further with Seth because too much of it would contradict much of Advaita Vedanta. Since you settled on Advaita Vedanta as your path then much of the Seth material cannot fit and must, therefore, be ignored. As you've stated many times, needless intellectualization or superfluous details. Or, as you yourself have stated, "I often have to re-read entire paragraphs because of the over-convoluted sentences." What is straightforward to me is convoluted to you. And perhaps Seth makes little sense if you're trying to squeeze his information into the framework of Advaita Vedanta. But you credit Advaita Vedanta with, as Christians like to term it, "seeing the light," and granted that was a valid and even life changing experience, and so Advaita Vedanta must be the way forward.

I wanted to bump this post because it hadn't received any comments. Not that bumping it is guaranteed to get any. Any thoughts as to the parallel I'm drawing between needing to change the focus of ones eyes to see the image and refocusing ones consciousness to view other realities? Not any different, I think, than imbibing in alcohol or smoking weed or ingesting drugs will alter the focus of ones consciousness. Seth says . . .

I just gave your post a 'laugh' reaction and was surprised to see another poster had already given it the same. Not too many posters on this thread currently so I'm using the deductive reasoning module of my intellect to figure out possible culprits.

Now that made me go through a box of Kleenex.

I'd feel honoured if one day you quoted me, RP. Save my photo to your PC to conveniently attach anytime to my quote. Caption reading: Just look at his eyes and you can feel the depth of his wisdom touch your soul!"

It's a looooong way to the top, though. May as well read something to kill the time.

Here's the link to the free King James version as a PDF. What's the old saying? One man's garbage is another man's gold. Or is it the other way around? You just might find some gold in it, Sunmaster. ฿35,436.06 per baht. It would be wise not to sneeze at that. chrome-extension://efaidnbmnnnibpcajpcglclefindmkaj/https://www.holybooks.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/05/The-Holy-Bible-King-James-Version.pdf

That Fry video is a rerun here. Fry is another of 8+ billion people on earth. Since no one has been given a Rules Of The Game book when born then we're all on equal footing. We each come into this world and each of us is left to their own to figure it all out for themselves. Read some of my posts here and you'll find I make more and better points than Fry. At least I've come to that conclusion. @Sunmaster and @Red Phoenix agree. So I've amassed at least a couple of followers. My problem is that Fry has fame and I have none. So, since being famous makes one wiser (don't ask me how that works) then everyone harkens to every word issuing from the mouths of the famous. Infamous () people like me? Nah. Life is just not fair. I'd put in a complaint but I just don't know which department to file it with. I'm working on recruiting followers. If you want to follow me then you could help me become famous, too. Then everyone who laughed at my earlier posts will change their tune and remark on how wise they were just to kiss my butt. I have a special deal going where the first 100 followers get a free, lifetime subscription to my deepest, most profound thoughts which are available to subscription members only. That's a $50/month savings. Over a lifetime think what you could do with all of that saved money! In a short 10 years it'd pay for a free, one-week holiday to Bali! Norse Gods, Christian Gods, Greek Gods. If you don't like any of those then there are always Egyptian Gods, Mesopotamian Gods, Aztec Gods, Amazonian Gods, Hindu Gods . . . keep searching and sooner or later you're bound to find a God that's just right for you. Like they say, there's one for everyone! My sincere apologies to you, Purdey, as my off brand sense of warped humourous parody conveys more truth than you might imagine. Gotta know what to look for, though.

Ya see, Sunmaster, ya gotta appeal to their base instincts. I can see you've never done any fishin' before in your life. Ya gotta use the right bait. You're trying to use boilies for bait to catch a big ol' fat carp in the wintertime. That ain't ever gonna work. Ya see, most customers aren't comin' here to buy any high falutin' ideas. They only want to see the hard evidence that satisfies 'em where it counts so that's what you give 'em. And once they see that hard evidence they can't resist their primal urges and you've got 'em sucked in big time. Making it a limited time offer helps, too. You've gotta pressure 'em to get 'em to feel that if they don't buy now then they're missin' out one a once in a lifetime deal. Take the advice of a pro and try that on the next customer. You'll be amazed at how quickly you'll be in the money. They'll be wantin' to buy your watercolours next!

Now pay attention, Sunmaster. I'll get him to buy. Now just sit back and watch a master salesman at work. Well, now Purdey. You see, the Christian God comes with a lot of bennies. Onesies, twosies, threesies . . . what's your preference? If more He's got 'em. Imagine yourself laying on a cloud with these beauties! For all of eternity. One-time payment of your soul, is all. Along with a sizeable up front cash payment. Bitcoin accepted. 1Lbcfr7sAHTD9CgdQo3HTMTkV8LK4ZnX71 What other God is gonna give you a better deal? Go ahead and take your time if you need to meditate on it. This one-time offer is valid only until Feb. 05, so act now. (I think I hooked him, Sunmaster. His eyes are all lit up. ) Dedit

No wonder you've never made any sales with pitches like that, Sunmaster. Ya gotta sell him on what's in it for him. Why else should he pay good money?

@Sunmaster @Red Phoenix Hey guys - time to knock off with all of the funny stuff. We just got a customer walk in the door. Go see what he wants, Sunmaster. All we've got on the shelf is Seth, religion, science and voodoo. We've sold out of all our signed 8 x 10 glossies of God. Don't scare him away with any of that meditation crap.