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Sorry, could not resist!

I was always puzzled by how he was able to get results. His methods on the whole go against what animal behaviour studies have shown. We were discussing this at a BBQ one night and one of my film industry friends pointed out that the shows are edited. One only sees the success, not the multiple "fails". This friend has worked onset with animal wranglers and his view is that none of the wranglers use this guy's methods. Instead, they rely on the praise and reward system and understand that animals have limited attention spans. I find that many of Cesar's methods are simplistic when presented on the show. One never sees the set up or the activity before the perfect moments, or what happens a week later. I also recgnize that Cesar is dealing with some very stupid humans sometimes and he has to tailor his methods to something that the humans can understand and follow. In any case, Cesar's methods wouldn't work with my friend. He'd just stick his tail up and walk away, but then he's a cat and he is better than a dog.

His methods do not work for getting a dog to do a trick so praise and reward is best for training. His approach is only there for letting the dog know they are not allowed to do something - essentially having a, to some people, untrained dog - like the dogs owned by the thais, all they know is what they are not allowed to do. His approach is for the foundation and then praise and reward can be used to train.

Nice teeth.

I used his methods before i watched his show. Always been firm with my dogs. Drives me crazy seeing people treating dogs like people. They are the cruel ones, but they think that is what the dog wants/needs. Watching Cesar should be a requirement by law for those wanting a dog as a pet. Would be a lot more happier, healthier dogs in the world.

I agree. Give my BK an inch he will take a mile. That is not to say you have to hit them or be mean, just insist they know that you and not they are the boss. The PC crowd say that with a manipulative dog then - let the dog manipulate you for food and in the process get him to do what you want. But my dogs know if I have food or not and they only actually do something you say if you actually have something they want - apart from come when called which they do because they think the pack needs them! Saying that if you want to carry treats with you everywhere you go then that works extremely well. Different strokes for different folks.

Horse whisperer google it

Yes I remembered that movie after. I do not remember him doing much though apart from literally whispering in the horse's ear!

I find the guy annoying as hell, don't know whether to yell @ him or the dog.

Give me robert redford anytime.

Robert Redford?

I am a fan and I think his rules boundaries and limitations and to be calm assertive is excellent. Also the no talk no touch and no eye contact is great advice for meeting nervous dogs - have you noticed how the thais do that? Most or a lot of dog trainers say he kicks - when he nudges, and that the touch hurts them. I think they misunderstand him personally and/or probably jealous! I am on a dog forum and everyone slates Cesar but when someone asks for advice they never give an alternative.

my dogs after a run aboot toon.

also check out: http://www.dld.go.th...ish/movec1.html

Very helpful info, thanks for your response and to all for the really good info, I will for sure be doing my home work on this.

thanks

one thing i forgot to mention was thai dogs are alert to all the dangers,like whats piosonous and dangerous,past posts by tv.members have lost their pedigree dogs brought with them,exspecialy to cobra's.

The Thai Ridgeback dog is the dog to get for snakes I am told.

Re the OP. My friend has a GSD bitch bought from a Great breeder in BKK and it is great with kids and is in fact obsessed with watching over them.

Due to the tournament being held in NZ will forward passing be allowed or will the All Blacks have to play by the international rules like the rest of us? Or is it too boring and defensive playing by the rules?

No changes in the rules for the tourney down in NZ.

Forward passing and non-straight line outs will only be allowed for the All Blacks, same as always.

They will still bottle it. My money is on a repeat of the 03 final - if that is possible, with the Ozzies winning.

ESPN STAR Sports awarded RWC Asia rights

Wednesday 17 August 2011

Rugby World Cup Limited (RWCL) has announced the appointment of ESPN STAR Sports as broadcast rights holders for Rugby World Cup 2011 to be held in New Zealand.

Under the deal, ESPN STAR Sports will broadcast all 48 matches live across 13 territories in Asia, ensuring that sports fans will see every try, tackle and pass of Rugby's premier event.

I just checked the star sports tv guide and there was no mention of the opening game.

Anyone know if there has been a change of plan?

Saying that, on the truevision site it is listed

http://www.truevisio...enhance_id=1846

If it's NOT listed in the TrueVisions magazine they there's a better chance that it WILL be shown than if it WAS listed in the magazine

I checked the Astro web site, and no world cup rugby on Friday or Saturday on ESPN or Star Sports. All games live on Astro Supersports 3, and the NZ Tonga game repeated in the small hours of Saturday morning for insomniacs.

SC

Astro satellite is actually illegal in thailand so is it possible that astro have the rights for Malaysia and star for

thailand?

http://www.truevisionstv.com/trueworld.aspx?key=&date=09/09/11&w=0&chid=109&pk=0&mode=3

ESPN STAR Sports awarded RWC Asia rights

Wednesday 17 August 2011

Rugby World Cup Limited (RWCL) has announced the appointment of ESPN STAR Sports as broadcast rights holders for Rugby World Cup 2011 to be held in New Zealand.

Under the deal, ESPN STAR Sports will broadcast all 48 matches live across 13 territories in Asia, ensuring that sports fans will see every try, tackle and pass of Rugby's premier event.

I just checked the star sports tv guide and there was no mention of the opening game.

Anyone know if there has been a change of plan?

Saying that, on the truevision site it is listed

http://www.truevisionstv.com/enhance.aspx?enhance_id=1846

[/]We have a very fine specimen ex Soi dog the mother died and three month's later so did all the rest of the puppies. So she was on her own the G/L said maybe we could let it sleep in the garden. After a couple of day's I relented that was 6 month's ago now part of the family. Wont go on a lead but she does have a collar. Has never done anything in the house or garden ever. When it's walk/crap time she come's and ask's to got out. I have the hard job of pressing the remote for the gate and out she go's. If we go out walking to the shop's she plod's along with us wait's outside the shop till we have done whatever. If anyone go's up to her she roll's on her back to have her belly rubbed, all the kid's love her. When the G/L take's the little one to school on the M/C she run all the way with them, wait's while she does the school bit then run's all the way back, some 3.5km A bit like your Mar love's the female's. Wont eat anything dogie except bone's, eat's curry's no matter how hot, got the taste from going down the dustbin's before I suppose. But she will not stay in the garden or house if we all go out. She just sit outside the gate till we come home rain or shine, when she see's the car coming she run's to greet us strait to the front of the car then stop's run's round the car twice and then off back to the house, by this time the remote has done it's work and she's in before us. Then like your's she has to go and speak to everyone bloody hard to get out of the car sometime's. Just one problem if we want to go away for a few day's have to get a friend to stay to take care of her. Would I get rid of her not on your life, She's family.

yeah I have a soi dog and because they have no breeding they are not intense and are very easy provided they are cared for. The Funny thing is that a lot of people in the west want an easy dog but they often do not think to get a mutt.

I have had 2 dogs that have had, to me anyway, an incredible ability to find their own way home. Current dog at 4 months to a 4th floor apartment - the other dog can get to the building only. He knows to drink water before going for a walk too and when I go out in the truck with them and I ask him to get back in the truck, he does a final pee! He knows he will not be scenting any more that day!

Many tourists come here for a one time holiday so they are new but he does not get suspicious, but if some thai is walking about the car park he will growl and bark!

Meatboy, what is your Malamut like off lead with other dogs?

Paul,

I live in an apartment and dogs are not allowed off lead in the grounds. If you live in a small village I am guessing there is somewhere near that has a quiet road with no cars or dogs? Try Going there and letting them run there. You can go at 10km/h and they should follow you. 30 minutes should be enough every other day or every day if you have time. That is what I do.

I would agree Angelatarangela. Please post back with details of the dogs you get and how you get on back home. :jap:

Hi All

I'm looking for a reliable, reputable Baankaew breeder, preferably in or around Bangkok. My parents will be in Thailand in December and I'm hoping I can source a couple of puppies to bring back to me (in the US). I used to have a BK, but she died a few years ago. When I was last in Thailand I bought two BK puppies from some guy who seemed pretty bonafide, but when it came down to it he didn't have the right puppies, so he gave us other puppies--he already had half our money, and he wouldn't give it back, so we thought we might as well go for broke. Turns out they weren't properly vaccinated either. Within two weeks of getting them home they were both dead, one of parvovirus, and the other of distemper I haven't got another dog since, because I can't bear to have one that's not a BK!

If you have had a good experience with a BK breeder, please let me know who they were and how I can get in touch with them.

Thanks in advance!

What is it you love about them? I think the OP knows about good breeders and other people have talked about a good breeder on this or another thread. There was also a woman who wanted to breed them in the states but I do not know if she did. She started a thread about it here.

This site may help;

http://www.thaibangkaewshowcase.com/

If you are going to breed in the us you might as well get some/one from this line;

http://www.mcot.net/...page/88100.html

In this same province resides the most beautiful male Thai Bang Kaew in the country called 'Jao Sun'. The dog belongs to Pichai Kamsuwan, owner of Palm Place Kennel.

Jao Sun is famous nationwide among Thai Bang Kaew lovers for the countless trophies received at dog shows. Pichai said it was because the canine has all the features suitable for a male Thai Bang Kaew according to international standards.

Wife's Filipina so obviously she named one of them Manny (Pacquiea) . Next dog will be called Jim and you know with that name he will end up an alchy!

I didn't think Burmese ate dog? I thought it was a Lao/Vietnam thing.

Its also possible he could have eaten something poisonous. If a dog gets sick or injured it goes to hide somewhere. My dog Scruffy went off to die shortly after I returned from the US and we never did find his body, how he got so far as old and sick as he was I will never know, but we never could find him.

Burmese are famous for it in Phuket. Poor people can not afford meat but eating my dog is too much.

We come across a house that has a big boxer and a pitbull, luckily they are behind a gate. I think I am right in saying that a boxer is also a bully breed and therefore the exact opposite of my/a BK.

It depends on the owner more than the dog with boxers - most boxers are highly intelligent, very good at problem solving, and respond very well to positive reinforcement and they are comparatively easy to train by any competent dog handler.

Most will seldom look for a fight, but they are very protective of their owners and their pack/family. On one occasion when I only had two dogs (both boxers, a dog and a bitch) a lady-friend of mine was looking after them at her house for me while I was away for a few days. Unfortunately she forgot to tell her then boyfriend, who jumped over the fence to pay her a surprise visit. She glanced out of the window to see him lying flat on his back in the middle of the lawn with my boxer dog standing over him, growling quietly every time he tried to move - apparently he had been lying there for about 10 minutes after being knocked flat with no warning bark at all, no biting (but plenty of drool), and he was too terrified to call out with the Hound of the Baskervilles glaring down at him.

Between taking my dogs to the beach by car and living where I am now I lived right beside the beach and took my dogs to the beach in front of the house every day as there were no local dogs there at all and there was no direct public access. When a new neighbour moved in with his boxer and bulldog, which he had previously kept in his bar, he rather stupidly decided that as his dogs could "handle themselves" he would just let them loose on the beach without bothering to even check who else was there. Both ran down the slope, onto the beach, and started chasing the small puppies I had with me, knocking two flying. My boxer dog was swimming (he would swim for 20 to 30 minutes at a time, twice a day) but as soon as he heard the barking he was back on the beach to defend his pack in seconds. The bulldog was sent flying and disappeared back up the hill while the other boxer was pinned on his back by mine with his throat firmly in my boxer's jaws. After checking my other dogs I told mine to let him go, which he did (reluctantly!).

The owner was adamant that his dogs were not at fault and that he was going to keep them loose (mine were kept in a fenced garden except when going to the beach), but although the bulldog had got the message the other boxer hadn't and he still regularly tried his luck to bully the pups, with the same result every time. Fortunately for all concerned they didn't stay too long.

To me they are the perfect dog - intelligent, great with children and other dogs, clean, easy to train, strong, loyal, and totally honest. Their only drawback as pets, guard dogs, security dogs or seeing-eye dogs is that they get hot very quickly and their lifespan is comparatively short (less than 10 years). They are incredibly handsome and expressive as a breed, which they seem to know: when God made the first boxer and he saw himself in the mirror he was so keen for a closer look at the most handsome animal he had ever seen that he ran towards his reflection, slid into the mirror and squashed his nose.

Even though I haven't got one at the moment I love boxers (in case you hadn't noticed!)

Yes I quite fancy getting a boxer but am pretty sure I will end up just rescuing!

From what I have seen of the bully breeds is that they do not go for a fight, just are very confident and forward. If they do get in to fights, it is probably because of that, they probably receive the first bite. As I say, my BK mix can not handle a very forward dog.

Re the neighbour. The problem was that his dogs were not properly socialized as they were in a bar. Your dog did them a big favour by showing them what was unacceptable. If they had ran free from puppyhood they would not have acted like that IMO. A dog being able to handle itself is simply knowing how to meet new dogs and not have a fight. You ever had an Akita?

Hope you find him. We caught a Burmese with a machete carrying our 6 month puppy on his shoulder!

My dogs are beautiful and shelter muts. I think if Thai dogs are cared for a lot of them can be beautiful. You never know, there might be a cute shelter pup near by.

The problem with the "Dog Whisperer" and similar series is that although it is great "infotainment" and his methods are very effective it gives the impression that it is quick and simple once you know the right techniques - sometimes it is (after all, most dogs want to please their owners as that is what they have been bred to do) but often it takes not just knowledge but a lot of time, hard work and perseverance and sometimes there is no ideal solution or outcome.

With one of my dogs, much to my regret, I have no option but to keep him permanently muzzled (except for once a week when all the dogs get a shampoo and his muzzle gets changed for a clean one). Its far from a perfect solution for him or us, but its the best of a number of bad options.

He is a large, black Bang-kaew who is a really super dog - for more than 90% of the time he is playful (with us and the other dogs), happy, friendly (except to strangers), affectionate, gentle and obedient; for most of the rest of the time he is moody but always obedient. Unfortunately for 1% of the time he is totally unpredictable, changing from friendly to vicious (and back again) in a second for no apparent reason and with no provocation. On one occasion, which resulted in his having to be muzzled, all our dogs were sitting at the gate when we drove back to the house, with the normal barking and tail wagging. They quietened down as usual as the gate was opened when, right in front of us and without any provocation or warning, he turned to the dog near him and tore his throat open with one bite (the dog died in my lap within 5 minutes).

He was taken from a temple in Bangkok when he was only a few weeks old by a group of bikers and was given to me when his then owner could no longer take care of him. He had been shot in the head when he was about a year old, which blinded him in one eye and some of the pellets are still lodged in his skull and under his skin.

Could he be better trained? Impossible to tell - sometimes he will go for weeks without any sign of aggression whatsoever, so it is impossible to train aggression out if he doesn't show it. He is also at his most temperamental during electrical storms which can obviously happen at any time, when we may not be there to intervene.

My point is that there is often no "quick fix" and sometimes there is no perfect solution for either the owner or the dog - all you can do under those circumstances is try to do what is best for both you and the dog.

Respect for keeping this dog on LeCharivari

our BK mix had the same problem, small red flies on his skin, but now he gets the tick and flea shot once a month and shampoo twice a week and he is fine. you are right about those tiny black flies, their bite is worse than any yeung!

My old boxer sounds much like your GSD, but he sadly died peacefully six years ago. He never looked for a fight, but he was very protective of all my other dogs and was more than capable of seeing off any other dogs that were stupid enough to threaten them; I never trained him to, but fortunately whenever he "put the bite" on another dog he simply held and applied pressure (as guard/police dogs have to be trained to do) rather tore. I miss him more than any friend I have had.

My Old English Sheepdog used to do the same - 30 years ago I took her with me on the streets in Northern Ireland occasionally, as the locals had trained their dogs to bite the troops (we got our own back in various ways!). She was unusually large for a bitch and her thick coat protected her from any bites and she just used to punch them away!

Its not my style to tell other people how to live their lives but I do enjoy a good debate So how is that I am irresponsible for simply walking my dog, but you think it is fine for you to take your Old English Sheepdog out somewhere where you know it will be attacked by local dogs and maybe even shot at or have bottles shattered at her feet? Why is it ok for your boxer to "put the bite" on another dog when protecting his pack but it is wrong of my dog to simply protect himself?