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DNA research suggests that all surviving humans are descended from one woman who lived perhaps 200,000 years ago. Research also shows that the story begins in Africa, home to the greatest variation in human DNA, and therefore the oldest location. Accordingly the woman was promptly dubbed "the African Eve".

http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/2011/apr/25/mitochondrial-dna-human-evolution

descended from one woman! I believe in evolution but that is confusing.

here is an extract from wiki, not proving jumps, only evolution. But how can intelligence rise over 40 years when survival of the fittest takes 1000s?

The rise in IQ

IQ tests are updated periodically. For example, the Wechsler Intelligence Scale for Children (WISC), originally developed in 1949, was updated in 1974, in 1991, and again in 2003. The revised versions are standardized to 100 using new standardization samples. In ordinary use IQ tests are scored with respect to those standardization samples. The only way to compare the difficulty of two versions of a test is to conduct a study in which the same subjects take both versions. Doing so confirms IQ gains over time. The average rate of increase seems to be about three IQ points per decade in the US on tests such as the WISC. The increasing raw scores appear on every major test, in every age range and in every modern industrialized country although not necessarily at the same rate as in the US using the WISC. The increase has been continuous and roughly linear from the earliest days of testing to the present.^[9] Though the effect is most associated with IQ increases, a similar effect has been found with increases of semantic and episodic memory.^[3]

Wow what did I start ? As to the creation theory. All 3 religions of the book in the story of the creation contain an almost identical line. "Let us create man in our image" As to my original post, my significant other is still struggling with the memoery of what she witnessed.

Yeah and all 3 are sexist tripe where does it say lets create woman in our own image, men always comes first.

man means human in that context. Or should it be huperson?

And it's not even just about fossil records. There are so many other things, such as DNA, that confirm evolution.

It's all here: http://en.wikipedia...._common_descent Creationists can try to deny the evidence all they like but it wont make it go away. It's all there, whether they like it or not.

But anyway, it is a common approach for the creationist to attack opposing theories rather providing evidence to support their own theory. The thing is though that even if the theory of evolution was found to be false, we would still be no closer to confirming the creation theory.

So, where is the evidence in support of creation?

I have said numerous times that I believe we evolved from single celled organisms through to humans. But current thinking says that the survival of the fittest models is flawed because there are too many jumps.

For example, IQ scores are higher every decade. That is evolution but it is not down to survival of the fittest.

I am a little confused. Isn't higher IQ scores an example of evolution AND survival of the fittest at the same time? please explain!

here is a wiki article on rising iq scores

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flynn_effect#The_rise_in_IQ

I personally don't attribute it to survival of the fittest as infant mortality is very low and anyone can reproduce.

And it's not even just about fossil records. There are so many other things, such as DNA, that confirm evolution.

It's all here: http://en.wikipedia...._common_descent Creationists can try to deny the evidence all they like but it wont make it go away. It's all there, whether they like it or not.

But anyway, it is a common approach for the creationist to attack opposing theories rather providing evidence to support their own theory. The thing is though that even if the theory of evolution was found to be false, we would still be no closer to confirming the creation theory.

So, where is the evidence in support of creation?

I have said numerous times that I believe we evolved from single celled organisms through to humans. But current thinking says that the survival of the fittest models is flawed because there are too many jumps.

For example, IQ scores are higher every decade. That is evolution but it is not down to survival of the fittest.

Wow what did I start ? As to the creation theory. All 3 religions of the book in the story of the creation contain an almost identical line. "Let us create man in our image" As to my original post, my significant other is still struggling with the memoery of what she witnessed.

human ETs?

University of Cambridge, University of Oxford, University College London,

University of Edinburgh, Imperial College London all teach evolution and not an alternative theory.

And? So what? They all recommended leaches at the time leaches were a cure all.

we evolved from some ape-like creature, homo erectus I think. Perhaps you think aliens made us in a lab, mixing homo erectus DNA and their DNA like it says in the Sumerian texts? Lol

No evidence, only a theory.

Other theories include God and aliens, all equally valid theories as no evidence either way.

Likelihood, Evolution , highly likely, Aliens highly likely although time scale is a factor ie Aliens existed millions/billions of years before us died out and distance is also a problem...... God unlikely most bizarre theory IMO

the sumerian texts, which genesis is copied from, and which they themselves were taken from the Babylon tablets, talk about gods genetically engineering man - which at the time would only be comprehensible with a genesis type story. Not God. Gods are most likely aliens. Graham Hancock wrote a book about it called 'finger-prints of the gods'.

Then again whoever wrote the Babylon tablets might have been screwing with us!

From the mouth of Sir David Attenborough, who knows more than most.

"Evolution is not a theory. It is a fact, every bit as much as the historical fact that William the Conqueror landed in 1066. Indeed, more so, because all we have to tell us about William are a few bits of paper here or there - not very much at all. For evolution we have much more evidence: palaeontology, embryology, biology, geology".

he is a presenter reading what is on the autocue. he also told us that polar bears filmed in a zoo were filmed in the arctic. Not his fault, he is just a presenter. I am not questioning evolution, just that there is probably more to it than merely survival of the fittest.

Wow, how could something be so very misunderstood.

Firstly, just go to any decent museum and you will find thousands of fossils. Many of which can and do demonstrate evolution of one species into another. To say that there is no evidence is bizarre.

Look also at the Cheetah and the Gazelle, for example. Two species that are EVOLVING to become faster than each other through survival of the fittest (fastest)

"Theory". Another enormous misunderstanding. EVERYTHING in science is a theory. Just because it is called a theory DOES NOT make it false. That we even exist is a theory in science

Species HAVE been observed evolving into others through fossil records.

you are right about the definition of theory but fossils do not prove anything really other than different species. Fossils show jumps and we don't know for sure what caused it. The cheetah example shows how a cheetah evolves, it doesn't show how it changes species.

we evolved from some ape-like creature, homo erectus I think. Perhaps you think aliens made us in a lab, mixing homo erectus DNA and their DNA like it says in the Sumerian texts? Lol

No evidence, only a theory.

Other theories include God and aliens, all equally valid theories as no evidence either way.

No evidence for what? Evolution?

There's tonnes of evidence.

there is actually big holes in the survival of the fittest model which says gradual constant change. Evidence points to big/quantum leaps in evolution.

I would say go but I have a feeling it should be goes because 7% is deemed singular.

eg. countries go to war. Bob goes to war.

I bought a new nissan navara last year - 4 door, automatic 2x4.I set out to get a 2nd hand civic or something but a 94 civic was 250k and the navara was 800k. I chose to pay 150k and then 10k a month as it is only 3%interest a year. Works out at 300b a day plus oil every 10k km.

We ARE apes

Try waxing.

that made me laugh!

So now you're trying to tell me that guilt is karma?

guilt is how we say that WE feel that we have done wrong. Guilt also says we would like to make amends. But regardless, the feeling of guilt is the mechanism to attract 'bad' things. It could be completely unfounded guilt but that is how you trigger what people call repaying bad karma. Imo of course.

Humans evolved from algae.... to rodent... to ape to human. The same spirit made that journey through billions of years imo.

By this one sentence alone, it is clear that you do not understand the process of evolution, which with all the evidence that backs it, is incontrovertible.

explain. I thought we evolved from apes.

No, we did not evolve from apes. Apes and humans have a common ancestor. Not the same thing.

we evolved from some ape-like creature, homo erectus I think. Perhaps you think aliens made us in a lab, mixing homo erectus DNA and their DNA like it says in the Sumerian texts? Lol

Humans evolved from algae.... to rodent... to ape to human. The same spirit made that journey through billions of years imo.

By this one sentence alone, it is clear that you do not understand the process of evolution, which with all the evidence that backs it, is incontrovertible.

explain. I thought we evolved from apes.

who's to say animals are not spiritual beings?

Where do you draw the line?

Dogs?

Rats?

Insects?

Amoeba?

Germs?

Viruses?

We are unlikely to ever know what other animals 'think' but, they certainly cause less harm to our planet than us...

Mosquitos cause more harm to me than i would ever want to cause to them.

I hope karma will get them, but meanwhile i use coils.

do you not kill mosquitos? They are merely having dinner.

Karma: Just more religious mumbo jumbo that is applied very selectively whenever it suits.

Somebody does something bad and something bad happens to them back = must be karma

Somebody does something bad and they live the rest of their lives happy as Larry = Errrm, ahh, errrrr.

It's nonsense.

always chosen on some level

So what's the point in worrying about it then?

If whether or not you have to 'pay' karma is 'chosen' on some level then it sort of defeats the point, doesn't it?

yes never worry about it. That in effect is choosing to repay some karma. But if when you look back on events, now or after death, you might regret somethings you did and if so then that regret is you choosing to repay it imo.

who's to say animals are not spiritual beings?

Where do you draw the line?

Dogs?

Rats?

Insects?

Amoeba?

Germs?

Viruses?

they all are spirit manifested as something physical imo. When the physical vehicle dies they enter another physical vehicle after a time. Humans evolved from algae.... to rodent... to ape to human. The same spirit made that journey through billions of years imo.

Travelman, you are very quick to dismiss the views of those with religious or spiritual beliefs. Then you say that you don’t know and don’t have all the answers, but that WE should give up OUR tripe ideas. Well, none of us have the answers, but that does not stop us having some sort of faith.

I therefore respectfully request whilst your views might differ substantially from mine and billions of others who share a belief in “something”, please respect our right to those beliefs and not try to belittle or humiliate those whose views are different to your own.

Thank you

agreed. Also it's interesting that cultures thousands of miles and years apart had the same beliefs. It doesn't take much open minded research to know that we are spiritual beings.

I'm not convinced. It seems to me that we like to think we are "spiritual beings" - when in fact we are just another animal in the animal kingdom.

Albeit one that has been dangerous enough to make us 'top of the tree'.

who's to say animals are not spiritual beings?

Karma: Just more religious mumbo jumbo that is applied very selectively whenever it suits.

Somebody does something bad and something bad happens to them back = must be karma

Somebody does something bad and they live the rest of their lives happy as Larry = Errrm, ahh, errrrr.

It's nonsense.

always chosen on some level

Are you saying the offspring 'pay' for the sins of the parents?

of course not! That their behaviour can be explained. Nothing to do with karma.

Travelman, you are very quick to dismiss the views of those with religious or spiritual beliefs. Then you say that you don’t know and don’t have all the answers, but that WE should give up OUR tripe ideas. Well, none of us have the answers, but that does not stop us having some sort of faith.

I therefore respectfully request whilst your views might differ substantially from mine and billions of others who share a belief in “something”, please respect our right to those beliefs and not try to belittle or humiliate those whose views are different to your own.

Thank you

agreed. Also it's interesting that cultures thousands of miles and years apart had the same beliefs. It doesn't take much open minded research to know that we are spiritual beings.

_{Karma does exist. Will it return its reward on these a-holes? I think it is already is. As you said the guests at the ceremony were turned off by their actions. Do you think that if one of these a-holes turned up in an hour of need requesting help for themselves that their actions would be forgotten/ readily forgiven by those who witnessed it?}

_{Karma is quite simple. Live your life creating crap and you live with crap. Live your life creating good and you live with good.}

also anyone doing evil will have had evil done to them, making them do evil in return. Evil is contagious and it takes strength to break the chain.

I agree to a certain extent, but only in simple ways.

If one is bad-tempered to someone else, that is likely to make them bad-tempered too, and continue the chain.

However, "evil" is something entirely different and few receive retribution for genuine evil. Yes, a few serial killers are caught, but far more escape detection.

take the prison population for example. Most had alcoholic abusive parents/guardians and/or they have some form of mental condition. In both cases something made them who they are.