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Generally the Non Totyota cars mentioned are used by Hotels or Airlines. I had a new BM7 series Taxi. of Korean Airlines take me to my Hotell. Not as quiet as a Cruze, but what is.

Many good cars are quiet in the cabin, my point was this is where the Civic disappoints. The driving and the noise makes the car a cheap City. Not worth a buy IMO.

Altis however IS the Thailand taxi. It also feels like it inside.

Indeed, although it should be remembered that the Altis most commonly used as a taxi is the LIMO version, which is a special, cheap, no frills affair, sold only for taxi-ing purposes.

Oh come on. They use the new Corolla Altis as taxis.

This is the one I tried before buying the Cruze. Felt like I was a taxi driver. Only difference was mine wasn't CNG.

and an Altis is a taxi.

Didn't someone showed a picture of a Cruze being used as an Taxi (with an TRD sticker, if I can remember it correctly)

And here is a Taxi Cruze. I've seen 2 already

In my time here in Thailand, i've seen many cars as taxis. I've seen Mercedes C and E class, Mitsubishis, I think pretty much any car you can find as a taxi.

Altis however IS the Thailand taxi. It also feels like it inside.

Even though I have seen Lancers as Taxis, i wouldnt feel like i was inside of one if I drove one.

an LTZ as it comes as standard, from the factory, without any extras.

Can someone else explain this to this guy? He still doesn't get it.

Cruze 1.8 - This is the Car.

LS - standard/base

LT - more extras

LTZ - even more extras

Maybe I should draw a diagram.

Perhaps you could accept that nobody has ever made the silly suggestion that it is possible to opt to have options taken off the LTZ to reduce the price?

Here we go... This is how people catch themselves and try to change what they said. This is what was said

Cruze 1,8 LTZ is 998k baht, lowest spec with factory leather and 4 airbags. OP has a low spec with one airbag and aftermarket leather

Made sense to me. He wasn't saying the the LTZ was the lowest spec in the range, he was saying that if you buy the LTZ without any extras (ie lowest spec version of LTZ) it comes with leather and 4 airbags.

There you go. You and your buddy talking about a "Low Spec LTZ" WITHOUT any extras? Jesus. There are NO EXTRAS! There is no LOW SPEC LTZ. It doesn't exist. There is the LS, LT and LTZ.

The LTZ costs 998,000 baht. It's not LOW SPEC, it's the price of the car loaded with everything that comes with it.

my god almighty.

It comes STANDARD with all the things it has. So, how can you get a "low spec LTZ without any EXTRAS" if you don't start taking options OUT?

Nobody ever heh?

NOBODY said anything about taking options OUT.

What was spoken about was adding optional extras ON TOP of what the LTZ comes with. Yes i know, the LTZ is fully loaded, but that doesn't mean they wouldn't list extra options - as i said, they certainly do with other brands - so you acting as if it is some how ridiculous and stupid to suggest that a top model might have extra options is plainly wrong, even if that is the case with the LTZ.

Now you're just changing.

I don't want to quote again, but I've quoted you guys many times already. You were talking about the "cheaper LTZ". That's what you were talking about originally.

Perhaps you could accept that nobody has ever made the silly suggestion that it is possible to opt to have options taken off the LTZ to reduce the price?

Jesus.. Here we go again.

If you take options OUT, then you have an LT.

Can you have an LTZ without cruise control? NO. Seriously.. Let it go.

As to all the other comments, it's not that I can't see the bad points about a Chevy Cruze. I just can't see the opinions of people who have never even been inside the car, which it's pretty much ALL of you. So, your opinions about the car don't really matter because you haven't even been inside of one.

Whether the Focus or the Lancer are better, that's a matter of opinion. Some will like the Cruze better and some won't. The one thing nobody can argue is that the Chevy Cruze is INFINITELY better than a Civic or a Corolla.

disagree

Altis Corolla more rear seat space with more legroom, and qualified service and spareparts all over Thailand, and great secondhand value and reliability.

Civic handles, steer and brakes much better than both, and is almost on par with Toyotas dealer and parts network

Both 1,8 feels much more powerfull than Cruze 1,8

So based on these facts, Altis and Civic are MUCH better than Cruze

and I have driven Cruze, 1,8LTZ and a 1,6 cheapie. Not much to brag about

its an average car in this segment, and its great crash safety scorings are not valid in Thailand, due to lack of the safety features providing these scores

That's your opinion.

A 1.8 Civic is a cheap tin can compared to a Cruze. It's loud, drives like shit and the seats are uncomfortable. Not much better than my 2005 City. Civic is pretty much the worse car out there in this segment, and the upcoming new one is even worse. Just another comment that confirms the fact you've never been inside a Cruze. If the Civic was better, I would've bought one, but my wife even said "we might as well just keep ours than buy this" when we test drove it.

and an Altis is a taxi.

As far as the safety ratings, it's the same car without the airbags. If you're a family man and you care about that, then fine, but it's mostly 1 person driving my car. ME. So, what do I need 10 airbags for? The Civic has the same number of airbags. 4. Now, if you've ever just lifted the hood in a Cruze and then lifted the hood in a Civic it is OBVIOUS that the Cruze is the better built car. A Cruze with 1 airbag is a safer car than a Civic with 4. The Civic will sever your legs anyway.

The frame of the car and the car itself is the same. You're still getting that same protection.

Very strange thing, it's like Chevy suddenly remembered how to design a car that doesn't look like crap. That actually looks pretty nice. Even the Captiva has improved, at least on the front where it got some Cruze elements. And surprise, people buy it!

Interesting to hear it's good inside too. Now if they get the quality right then it should be a winner for years to come. Quality being a bit of a sore point for GM cars, at least historically.

One thing to remember is that GM, at least as you knew it, is dead. That GM or General Motors Corporation is now called Motors Liquidation Company.

The GM that made the Cruze and all the other models coming out is General Motors Company, technically a new GM. That's why the cars seem so radically improved. The New GM also killed many brands, including Daewoo. Someone here said the Cruze is just a Daewoo. No. It's a Chevy Cruze. In Australia is a Holden Cruze. Daewoo is one of the many that are no longer living. GM has GM Korea.

Perhaps you could accept that nobody has ever made the silly suggestion that it is possible to opt to have options taken off the LTZ to reduce the price?

Jesus.. Here we go again.

If you take options OUT, then you have an LT.

Can you have an LTZ without cruise control? NO. Seriously.. Let it go.

As to all the other comments, it's not that I can't see the bad points about a Chevy Cruze. I just can't see the opinions of people who have never even been inside the car, which it's pretty much ALL of you. So, your opinions about the car don't really matter because you haven't even been inside of one.

Whether the Focus or the Lancer are better, that's a matter of opinion. Some will like the Cruze better and some won't. The one thing nobody can argue is that the Chevy Cruze is INFINITELY better than a Civic or a Corolla.

especially when one may also benefit from additional fuel savings..

OK. How much more will you save if you own a Focus Hatchback vs a Sedan? I want to know these savings.

I recorded myself driving for 30 seconds. I started from a stop and stepped on it and let it go from 0 to 60kph. Did that twice. It was a small road, cement. After it gets out of the first few gears you can't really hear anything. If you are just cruising down the freeway it's quieter of course because you're not revving the engine.

Anyway, this is as loud as it gets inside a Cruze 1.8L

Also, it's getting old having Englishman after Englishman saying they want a hatchback. No shit sherlock. That;s what a good Englishman wants. Sporty, hathcback, stiff suspension. No surprise there. If I had a nickel for every time an Englishman said that, I'd be rich.

I'm usually on this bandwagon but I'm not English nor British and I'd like to have a hatchback..

I don't get how a hatchback is more practical than mine. My trunk is huge and the seats fold.

This is what I always hear. A sedan is not as practical as a hatchback.

How about when you have to carry a bunch of bulky stuff, but need to carry 4 adult passengers? Then what?

I prefer a sedan with a big trunk, like mine.

I also hear people saying the hatchback weighs less and is better on fuel. Take the new Focus for example. The sedan and hatchback have the exact same fuel economy, and the hatchback actually weighs more than the sedan.

Now, the Focus sedan has 13.2cu.ft of trunk space. Cruze has 15.4. Of course the Focus hatchback has more space; but what is it that Englishman have to haul around?

The guy in my school who bought the Focus Hatchback drives 400km a month and he is single. Car is always empty. He is English of course.

I do 400km before the week is over. Even though he hardly uses the car, it is ingrained in his brain that he MUST get a hatchback because they're more practical. For what? I'm not sure what the size of the cruze is with the seats folded, but must be a lot. enough to carry whatever you can in a hatchback.

I think you are the only guy on here with a Cruise so most can't comment except to say it looks good or bad, I think it looks ok it's not a sport's car.

That's not what they're doing though.

What's amazing, if you go by "reviews" is how these couple of reviews they posted say the Cruze is "loud, cheap and uncomfortable" and then you have other reviews saying the Cruze is "quiet, refined and very comfortable".

It is very curious how the same car can generate completely opposite reviews. As though they were driving different cars.

I am not going by reviews on the Internet. I am going by my own experience. Sleek and simple design inside and out. Tough (I already hit a dog really hard and didn't even scratch the bumper), extremely quiet and pleasant to drive.

The cons of the car is that because of the weight and super strong structure is heavy. This makes it feel like you are driving a bigger car, which is good, but it won't give you a sporty drive.

Personally, in stop and go traffic mixed in with long highway driving, there is absolutely no need for a stiff suspension and sporty drive. My drive is either stop and go or striaght as an arrow for 30 minutes straight at 120kph. So, for me, the Cruze performs admirably.

There maybe someone who has to commute on narrow rural roads and he would prefer to throw the car into every turn and feel like he is driving a sports car. The Cruze in this case will feel too soft. For people like me who want a cruiser, then the Cruze is a worthy contender. May not be the best for you, but a car to have on your short list when it's time to go shopping for a new car nonetheless.

http://www.whatcar.c...-review/25843-2

Says it all. If a car is good, it gets good reviews.....if it's poor it gets poor reviews.

. The more relaxed diesel is much quieter and smoother

From this quote you can see this site is biased and the guy is simply paid by other companies to trash certain cars. The cruze is booming on the markets and some people are paid to fight this. Just as some people are paid to go on forums and fight ideas in favor of certain companies and governments(google it)

That quote is in complete opposite to other reviews. The Diesel is NOT quieter. As a matter of fact, diesel engines are noisier than Petrol engines. You can tell just by that quote that the guy doesn't know anything and probably never even drove the car.

RIdiculous

http://wiki.answers....sy_when_running

A: Diesel engines are inherently noisy due to the method in which they burn fuel. Unlike spark ignition engines, compression ignition engines run much higher compression ratios, about 18:1 as opposed to gasoline engines which typically run a 10:1 ratio.

Everyone knows that. Except that blogger dude.

This happens with movie reviews as well. These bloggers repeat what each other say as though they really test drove the car, but never actually did.

There are hundreds of Cruze reviews on YouTube where you can not only hear what they say, but can SEE and HEAR the car yourself.

Of course I provided you with examples of other reviews that say the complete opposite of yours, but my reviews don't count. Only yours do.

Well. I'm an Englishman (thanks for not calling us Brits) and yes i like the Ford Focus BUT i also like the Cruze..

For Thailand i want a car that rides comfortably and looks good. I like its looks (but then i also like the Proton Persona and Saga)

I have never driven the Cruze (out of my price range at the mo)

But i have owned several Vauxhaull's and have always found them to be very reliable and cheap to run. Especially compared to French cars (don't get me started on them grrrrrrr)

I have also found Vauxhaull's and Opels to be more refined than Fords of the same era.

Each car means different things to the owner. and for different reasons. One of my favourite cars that i owned was the Skoda 105.. Strong as a mule, didn't have to worry about cleaning it and it was soooo much fun on ice and snow. 45hp of sheer wheel spinning, roundabout sliding power.

I learned that from an Irishman not to call the English "brits". That's too broad a term. I may be the only American who does that.

Anyway. Don't listen to these morons. They're just flaming.

The Cruze is awesome. Everyone who has checked my car out wants one. The English in my school like it, but prefer something sportier.

"But as it is right now, there are around a dozen better cars on the market, most made by trustworthier companies."

succinctly put...

At the end of the day, it doesn't matter what someone on the internet thinks about it. It only matters what the one who test drives it thinks. Many loved the car. The numbers of cars sold prove it. Some won't like it and they'll get something else.

I happen to disagree with that review. It's bullshit IMO from driving it everyday.

The other guy who says he "drove it" and that the engine isn't powerful and makes noise contradicts everything I've experienced for the last week. IMO, he hasn't actually driven the car. He is just flaming.

Double post

Excellent. We now know you can look up things on Google.

Now, if you're interested in the Cruze, go test drive. If not, forget it. It's just one more car on the road.

Take your head out the sand

http://www.thetrutha...an-market-spec/

Their words

But some things just aren't worth a low price. Case in point: the Cruze's engine. The 1.8L machine produces 140HP of which I could only feel around 105 actually doing any work. And what little output it could muster produced more than its share of an unlovely noise. It's an old-school engine that has somehow found its way into a new car, and it ruins the experience. Picture a car that feels well-made but which at highway speeds has a gruff, obtrusive, strained sound coming from its engine department: that's what the Cruze I drove was like. (I also spent an hour in a Cruze equipped with the 110HP 1.6L engine. It's slightly sweeter, but the sound is still gruff, and it's so weak you have to thrash it all the time, so it's not an alternative). Apparently the Diesels are the pick of the bunch, but they come at a steep, three-grand price premium. At a reported 25MPG, the tested 1.8L is not exactly economical either.

I mean, everybody makes mistakes, but to install a crummy engine in a new global car on purpose sounds like what a company would do that is trying to pull one over you. Just think of what kind of unseen short cuts they might be taking, quality-wise.

105hp actually used? How did you measure that? How do you know it wasn't 106.5hp?

You posting some dude who has a blog on the internet who happens not to like the Cruze makes no difference whatsoever.

He says the Cruze is a car nobody would want, yet it sold more than Toyota in the USA.

and the jury is still out on you whether you've actually driven one or not. I'd like to take you out for a drive in mine, so you can tell me all these little things you're complaining about here because for the life of me I have no idea what you're talking about.

I never hear my engine unless I step on it and I hear it for a few seconds when it shifts gears. That's basically it. Then it's very quiet. You can't hear anything. It's also a very peppy engine. It's not designed as a sports car, but when you step on it, it goes.

As far as your "old engine", the Chevy Cruze engine is the same engine in the brand new Saab 9-5. The 1.8L ecotec has been in production since 2005.

http://www.whatcar.c...-review/25843-2

Says it all. If a car is good, it gets good reviews.....if it's poor it gets poor reviews.

Everything they said goes in complete opposite to everything everyone else has said in reviews about the Cruze.

and everything they said goes in direct opposite of what I have experienced. It's almost as though they were driving another car. That says it all.

Yours says

-Both engines are really flat unless you rev them to their limits.

-The ride has a jiggly quality, and can really get caught out by more vicious bumps and potholes

-Because the petrol engines have to be worked so hard to keep you going at a decent pace, you're subjected to a loud, thrashy soundtrack for too much of the time

Now Kelly Blue Book, and most other people who reviewed it say:

1:00 -In motion the Cruze's well sorted suspension provides a nice balance between ride comfort and dynamic handling. Good steering feel and enhanced stability at freeway speeds. The Turbo 1.4L is fun to drive.

3:30 -The Cruze has one of the largest interiors in the compact category

Edmunds - at the track

More

-Cruze dirves WONDERFULLY. Plenty of "get up and go"

-The cabin is premium quality

Edmunds.com

Driving Impressions

The most surprising characteristic of the 2012 Chevrolet Cruze is its combination of genuinely athletic handling with a comfortable, controlled ride quality. The Cruze's chassis isn't particularly sophisticated as far as economy cars go, but its design ensures secure handling and a compliant -- but not mushy -- ride. The standard suspension rides as well and as quietly as just about any compact car, while the sport suspension on the 2LT and LTZ is firmer, though without harshness.

Most drivers should be satisfied with either of the Cruze's engines. The upscale turbocharged engine is pretty average in terms of outright acceleration, but it's peppier around town thanks to its increased torque. The main issue, however, is the automatic transmission. Programmed for maximum fuel economy, it's reluctant to downshift for quick acceleration and passing unless you really boot the throttle.

So, how come all these people (and me) are having such a different experience?

http://www.whatcar.c...-review/25843-2

Says it all. If a car is good, it gets good reviews.....if it's poor it gets poor reviews.

Everything they said goes in complete opposite to everything everyone else has said in reviews about the Cruze.

That says it all.

The Orlando is a Korean Car manufactured by GM Korea.

The Cruze, current Cruze, otherwise known as the "J300" is a world car. It's manufactured all over the world. It was designed by GM Korea and engineered by Opel. GM Korea is where all GM hits are coming from.

Double post

Excellent. We now know you can look up things on Google.

Now, if you're interested in the Cruze, go test drive. If not, forget it. It's just one more car on the road.

So how would you like to explain JD Powers OWNERS rating Chevrolet and GM brands at the bottom of the reliability and satisfaction league table? these are long term owners of the Brand not someone who has had his car 5 minutes??

This is why GM almost went out of business. The Cruze is a complete departure for GM. This is why they went from 0 to having the best selling car in the US, and one of the top selling cars around the world. The CRUZE.

Find me the OWNERS rating for the CHEVY CRUZE.

You can say whatever you want about Chevrolet and GM. But this is a thread about the CRUZE specifically.

All you can say is "I don't trust GM for this and the other reason, so I am waiting for the CRUZE to be out for a couple of more years to be convinced". That would be fair.

br12stol[/color]] I am just pointing out the reliability issues with Chevrolet as a brand

You can point to reliability issues with EVERY car manufacturer. What happened to all the Toyotas driving out of control? I mean, pick a manufacturer and I can point you to some sort of reliability problem with their cars.

I don't get defensive with anyone who doesn't like it. We are just being swamped with people who haven't even been inside of one coming here and giving their opinions about it.

Seriously.

Also, it's getting old having Englishman after Englishman saying they want a hatchback. No shit sherlock. That;s what a good Englishman wants. Sporty, hathcback, stiff suspension. No surprise there. If I had a nickel for every time an Englishman said that, I'd be rich.

"You say it's a LOT of car, but it's some cheap ass unreliable car. Of course, you have nothing to back up any of these "conclusions". They are just misinformed and empty opinions of a guy who doesn't even own the car and drives it every day. If you EVER drove one that is."

These are Whatcars comments not mine!!! they have drove it and tested it and they are one of the most respected Car magazines out there, and JD Power get their results from 1000's of OWNERS of the brands.

You dont need to take magazine reviews personally, I am just pointing out the reliability issues with Chevrolet as a brand

So, you are taking what WHatcars said about the Cruze. You haven't even driven the car. You realize, these magazines and websites are in the pockets of other car manufacturers. You can't rely on anything those people say.

I DRIVE it everyday. I can tell you, the engine I AM DRIVING is NOT "gutless" and the car is extremely comfortable. You however, listen to some review but haven't even been inside a Cruze. How do you know?

There are many other reviews out there that say the complete opposite of you "Whatcars" review.

THis is what cars.com had to say among other things:

There's no sign of a lumbar adjustment, but I didn't miss it, and I found the seat quite comfortable overall. I suspect some occupants might find the bottom cushion hugs the hips too much, but the seat isn't otherwise overly bolstered.

The Cruze is a balanced package offering a lot of everything

the Cruze's roominess, efficiency, quality and refinement bring Chevrolet into a whole new world of compact cars.

The inside is where you spend your time, and it appears Chevrolet spent a lot of time on it. As on the outside, gaps between panels and trim pieces are tight, and the controls, lids and doors feel and sound good. But I don't think that kind of thing is as evident to most people as is the overall quality of materials, and here the Cruze excels. The Cruze is harmonious overall, with soft, low-gloss materials where you want them.

So much for you "Cruze is uncomfortable" review.

As I said, if you want to KNOW about the Cruze, go drive it.

Im too young for one but once im an old fart i would definitely say the Camry is a top notch car. Classy, Clean and decent overall. No personality though.

Cruze's + are : Cool design not Japanese, relaxed fun drive while still doing well once you move into maniac mode.

Accord(current ugly model) did not stand a chance versus those two cars. in my own opinion again.

Cruze only needs a turbo engine or 30-40 extra HPs and imo it would be the best affordable car in Thailand

Not too sure about this but i think the cruze might have a larger front and back window? looks easier to see around you in that car compared to the other two.

edit: dam_n auto correct again

Unfortunately an extra 30 or 40 hp would raise it's cost and taxes considerably raising it into a whole new market making it no longer such a good value..

Interesting Point that.Who is the Cruze aimed at.?.In Europe the Silverline Chevy Team are boasting a creditable 280 BHP from the 2 Litre.Yet here it seems to be aimed at School Teachers with Sandals, not Chavs in Hoodies and T shirts. Are they on the Tracks here promoting a Sporty Image, or just aiming at Old Farts and Taxis as thailand calls anyone over 10.

You forgot to add 'IN MY OPINION".

Who is the Cruze aimed at? That was your question.

IMO, The Cruze is aimed at everyone. The Cruze's styling doesn't offend or alienated anybody. Every single decision about the Cruze was to end up at a modern design that wouldn't aggressively target one demographic or the other. It is made to target everyone. Granted, the car will not be liked by everyone, but it won't "offend" them either. No one car is liked by everyone.

The Cruze is the most important car for GM right now. Who is the Cruze aimed at? Well, in the USA the Chevy Cruze surpassed Toyota as the best selling car in the USA. That's who. EVERYONE. I don't see EVERYONE jumping over hoops for a Lancer EX. It's the Cruze they want. And the sales numbers prove it.

The Cruze is not promoting a "sporty" image. Where are you getting that? Every single commercial they are promoting "european ride quality at Japanese car price". That's it.

Let's look at the commercial

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rSwbnXHpfQo

There is nothing sporty being promoted there. They are promoting "quality powertrain, safety, comfort, technology".