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Ok JT This is what you posted 'the've already got them...I presumed you meant Pakistan and North Korea nukes, does the US have possession of these nukes or do they have them covered! Please clarify.

You're not making any sense. It is what it is. They've got them, like UG says, too late to stop them from getting them. I'm glad I asked you to clarify because this covered thing is not something I would say or think.

So tell me you're views and how to stop Iran developing 1 bomb, will it save Israel ? Will the leadership in Iran willingly wipe their 1000's of years of history for a strike on Israel, that the probable bomb won't even make it out of Iranian airspace! Yes we have had rhetoric from Iran about wiping out Israel, It's just rhetoric tho, they don't have the technology yet! And when they do would be very foolish to do so.

If the US has Pakistan& North Korea 'covered' as JT puts it, then why not have Iran covered also, instead of an all out war erupting in the region.

I am not sure that these bases are there only because of oil. Don't forget that the US was very concerned about the Soviet Union arming the Arab countries and that had a lot to do with our involvement in tne area.

As for why we do not just allow Iran to get nuclear weapons, we already made that mistake with the loons in Pakistan and North Korea and have come to regret it. The West does not want to make a mistake like that again.

Not sure these bases are in the middle east because oil ?? Get real, dwindling oil supplies, increased demand for oil from India/China, America's demand for even more oil! and by sheer chance

we find the US military with lots of bases in the oil rich Middle east! Lets not forget the illegal war in Iraq! Oh and it just happens to have the worlds 2nd largest oil deposits ?? Yeah.....

What a scary thought!

All correct, but Iran having nuclear weapons is even scarier.

I would say Pakistan (how volatile it is) Also North Korea are both more dangerous than Iran having a nuke, It's weird how the US & allies haven't blown up the above mentioned countries arsenal yet ?

Clue -- they've ALREADY got them!

Ok JT This is what you posted 'the've already got them...I presumed you meant Pakistan and North Korea nukes, does the US have possession of these nukes or do they have them covered! Please clarify.

I very much doubt all these bases are here because Iran's perceived intention to build a bomb.

My guess would be that they have something to with not being too far from Russia.

Yes that maybe true. Answer me this though, if the middle east was not the NO1 oil supplier would the US have so many bases in the area? Yes Iran is playing hardball with the west, It's not the reason why there is so much US presence in the region. The ultimate goal is regime change in Iran (not a bad idea) If the US has Pakistan& North Korea 'covered' as JT puts it, then why not have Iran covered also, instead of an all out war erupting in the region.

http://www.juancole....-all-right.html

I think this map really shows us the real intentions in the region, look closely at the blue country with NO US bases!!

I very much doubt all these bases are here because Iran's perceived intention to build a bomb. The words 'natural resources spring to mind' Iran isn't playing ball with the west, and is refusing to be controlled/manipulated by the bankster globalist's.

Just say Iran did build a bomb? It wouldn't be to the same standard of western nukes. Plus if it fired a missile at Israel I would be it would shot down not long after leaving Iranian soil...Thats a fact!

What a scary thought!

All correct, but Iran having nuclear weapons is even scarier.

I would say Pakistan (how volatile it is) Also North Korea are both more dangerous than Iran having a nuke, It's weird how the US & allies haven't blown up the above mentioned countries arsenal yet ?

Clue -- they've ALREADY got them!

As in got them 'in their possession' or got them covered like in Iran!

What a scary thought!

All correct, but Iran having nuclear weapons is even scarier.

I would say Pakistan (how volatile it is) Also North Korea are both more dangerous than Iran having a nuke, It's weird how the US & allies haven't blown up the above mentioned countries arsenal yet ?

Ok JT. Say the US does use this new bomb on Iranian nuke plants. What would be the response from Iran.

They have the ability to severely disrupt oil flow the Hormuz straights (disrupting oil flow to the west) That means higher pump prices for all of us!

Iran could attack Israel. More countries getting involved like Russia/China.

The end result a complete attack on Iran and possible confrontation with Russia/China.

What a scary thought!

I agree war with Iran is a very scary thought! So is Iran with nukes. The USA has clearly decided Iran isn't going to have nukes. I support that decision. Now it is up to Iran to decide if they want to invite an attack by going ahead.

Diplomacy isn't working with Iran, correct but blowing up it's nuke plants isn't the answer. More should be done by the UN and all other people concerned, even the Chinese/Russians should be more active in the process of getting Iran away from nukes. It would be in both countries interests to not have this current situation...Sadly it's all going one way, and that won't benefit 1 singe person in the world!

This week The Institute for Science and International security stated, ' Iran has no capability to produce weapons grade uranium and cannot produce a nuclear bomb'.

The IAEA says otherwise.

Even if Iran did produce a nuclear weapon do you's really think it would ready-aim-fire straight at Israel ? Ensuring the complete destruction of Iran in the process! They still should't have a bomb, but if they do achieve it then I'm sure it will be used as a deterrent.

Your assurances are creating a feeling of comfort and fuzziness among Iran's enemies. Hey, some Iran apologist on thaivisa forum said there was no downside to Iran going nuclear! Oh, OK! Never mind.

Ok JT. Say the US does use this new bomb on Iranian nuke plants. What would be the response from Iran.

They have the ability to severely disrupt oil flow the Hormuz straights (disrupting oil flow to the west) That means higher pump prices for all of us!

Iran could attack Israel. More countries getting involved like Russia/China.

The end result a complete attack on Iran and possible confrontation with Russia/China.

What a scary thought!

This week The Institute for Science and International security stated, ' Iran has no capability to produce weapons grade uranium and cannot produce a nuclear bomb'.

The IAEA says otherwise.

Even if Iran did produce a nuclear weapon do you's really think it would ready-aim-fire straight at Israel ? Ensuring the complete destruction of Iran in the process! They still should't have a bomb, but if they do achieve it then I'm sure it will be used as a deterrent.

What I meant, of course, that there is no American appetite for another ten year invasion and occupation of Iran as a copy of Iraq. OF COURSE!!!! there is great desire for regime change in Iran. The hope is the Iranian people themselves will make that come about.

People is what's needed JT, as I says why has it not happened yet ? Iranians have access to the internet if they what's happening in Syria then why not do it themselves ?? Maybe they don't want to! Iran of course is a big country and not all people like the regime,..Hopefully in time, that of course is running out very quickly

Because their values are a threat to western values. Yes, I am talking about Islamo-fascist totalitarian radical Islamic fundamentalist extremism and Iran has shown evidence they are into exporting those values, including in Muslim Thailand. Sorry, no!

Mind boggling rant. Iran are no threat to the UK or The US,( although i suppose if they start accepting gold for oil payments that would upset the banksters). No doubt Iran would argue that Western values are a threat to their values. Who are you to decide that The US / Israel should attack Iran because you don't agree with their "values'. Has it ever occured to you that the population in Iran may be quite happy with their "values". Very few people in the West , certainly very few Americans know anything about Iran, only the propaganda BS they are fed by their governments, relayed to them by the tame media. Iran is a vast, sophisticated, educated country with a civilisation going back centuries. What they don't have of course is a Western controlled Central Bank, with Western owned debt, and for obvious reasons have no desire to join this club. If they want to sell THEIR oil to whoever they like and receive payment in gold, up to them. America really has to get over this belief they have that all the oil in the world belongs to them. And if the countries that are sitting on this oil don't like it, well, we are a superpower, we have the biggest bombs, and we will use them if you don't fall into line. This policy is doomed to fail, look at the mess in Libya now, and Iraq. I understand how you feel about hanging homosexuals, and adulterers, of course this is abhorrent to us in the West, but Saudi Arabia, Bahrain etc all have the same values as Iran, why aren't you slavering for The US to attack them too? Because they sell us cheap oil and buy billions of dollars of weapons from us? The US and the UK even sell instruments of torture to these regimes. Rank hypocrisy and double standards. And when it comes to terrorizing people, well, since the end of World War 2 The US has dropped bombs on the people of more than thirty countries, with countless casualties, probably running into millions. Bombing Iran will cause death and destruction, not just there but probably in the wider Middle East as well. The beneficiaries will be bankers and arms manufacturers. As a wise man once said, 'war is a racket'. And if you really do believe that the US has no interest in regime change in Iraq, well, you really are capable of believing six impossible things before breakfast!

Good reply.And as I said It's not all about Iran requiring nukes! If Iran and other countries don't want to sell oil in $ then this is bad news for the banksters and could end up disaster for the whole US economoy, the slide of the $ has already begun, the $ not being the worlds reserved currency is the beginning of the demise of America...It's called war, dressed up under many guises tho.

Slighly off topic Scott, my apologies.

Israel in backed by the US so should't really have the need for nukes,

Would you trust Barrack Omama to back you to the hilt in a major war with all the countries that have sworn to destroy them over many decades? I sure wouldn't and either would they.

I would't trust Obama no ( it's not that it's him who decides anyway), he's just the front man/puppet in the US.

Israel has more non nuclear weaponry at it's disposal than probably all of the Arab world combined, excluding Pakistan, soon to be Iran! Iran should have It's nuke ambitions stopped. YES!! but unless Israel is surrounded by It's Arab neighbours who had nukes all pointing at Israel.Then yes Israel should also have nukes, this isn't he case tho! A middle east devoid of nukes totally = a much safer area (vital to the whole world)

That is great, but they are getting murdered by the thousands.

Yes they probably are, but why no intervention by NATO or the UN ?? Less people got killed in the Libya conflict but wee seen rapid intervention, double standards i think!

Another reason why Iran/Pakistan should not have nukes is because the techology to begin both countries nuclear ambitions was infact stolen by a Pakistan nation from a Dutch nuclear research institute, he brought the technology home to Pakistan and this sped up Pakistan's nuclear ambitions. He also sold the technology to countries like Iran and N Korea. So you could argue this man is indeed responsible for Pakistan's current nuclear weapons.

He was treated as a national hero, but now under house arrest thanks to US pressure.

Pakistan should defo not have nukes, neither Iran should or indeed Israel. The whole area would be such a safer place, Israel in backed by the US so should't really have the need for nukes, it only makes it's neighbours wanting to require such devices.

And if the Iranian people really wanted regime change don't you think we would see mast protests in Iran like we have seen in Syria, Egypt etc ?? .

They already tried them and were crushed by the Iranian government.

People power is much stronger than any national Government, look at Syria! Their Government control the media, yet the population still come in the 100'000s to protest against the leadership.

If the state controls the media , how would the people get there point of view across

The internet!

So you think the US wants to make the exact same mistake made in Iraq in Iran? No way! The better bombs are a good idea IF it comes to the need to bomb the bunkers. There is no way the US would take on an all out regime change style war in Iran on purpose. Of course that could happen if Iran attacks civilian targets in Israel, Europe, and the U.S.

The megalomaniacs in Washigton and the UK are hell bent on regime change, like they where with the leaders of other Arab countries JT, The Arab spring was partly instigated by the US-UK, Sure the people of the Arab world did want to get rid of these crackpot regimes, quite rightly so...It's not up to other countries to determine the fate of the Arab world.

America wants friendly relations with all the Arab world but under US terms! There is a lot more going on that neither you or me are fully aware of. Russia recently sold war planes to Syria. Another fact is oil, this is the real reason the US meddles in the middle east. The US has bases all around the oil rich middle east. And if the Iranian people really wanted regime change don't you think we would see mast protests in Iran like we have seen in Syria, Egypt etc ?? Yes Iran has a hardline leadership that would not allow such protests, the same with Syria, but they choose to come out and protest against Assad.

Another aspect is the peak oil situation, most of the worlds oil is in the middle east, I don't think the US would be involved in the middle east if it wasn't because the vast oil that countries like Iraq/Iran/Saudi have...Why no NATO intervention in Syria or Egypt? Both countries don't have much oil or gas, But lybya is sitting on an ocean of sweet crude oil! Surprise we had the UK France take down Gaddafi. For the sole purpose of getting the nations oil reserves back onto the world markets.

Back to the OP. It does show the US is hell bent on war with Iran and has been for a few years at least, when George W Bush was in the white house,him and the rest of the Neo-Cons said Iran will not be allowed a nuke and any circumstances. Fair enough, Iran with nukes is not a nice thought!

When they do strike Iran will they just go for the nuke sites or try take out the Iranian leadership also ? If they go for regime change then this will be one hell of a mistake with Russia/China having close ties with Iran. It could easily escalate into a bigger conflict, The US has already sent a few thousand troops in to Israel and also placed It's mighty military strategically across the globe incase the worst happens..Scary times ahead in 2012!

The consequences of nuclear testing and nuclear disasters in the old soviet union are partially documented in the video below. Something for Thailand and others near India to consider. http://www.youtube.c...d&v=HvbC-eqF9ec

I don't think Yingluck was there to discuss anything nuclear! India is growing so fast and no doubt a valuable trading partner for Thailand!

And why we have to ask ourselves, why does India have nukes and test them ? Well they do share a border with Pakistan, both countries detest each other and the crackpot country of Pakistan also has nukes. I'm sure India's nukes etc are regulated and all possible safety standards and checks are in place.

Image is everything in this day and age. The internet has brought us all together, the free flow of news/info at the touch of a button. The current Israeli attitude of ( we're armed to the teeth and backed by the US) will only have a negative response from the Arab/Muslim world and will surely come back to bite Israel in the ass one day.

If on the other hand the Israeli's treated the 'innocent' Palestinians with a little respect and done more to facilitate a better standard of life then this would only pay dividends for Israel in the future and could possibly change the hostile view of some of It's neighbours, the current way the situation is being handled can only worsen things (in my opinion).

Of course Israel has the right to protect It's land and citizens, I just think it goes the wrong way of doing it. Maybe the international community should share some of the blame, maybe the if the UN took charge of the situation then things could be better, for both sides!

Israel demolishes houses to stop militant operations, to enforce building codes and regulations,and as a deterrent against terrorism in the occupied territories They also demolish illegal Israeli buildings and settlements.

Yeah right, Israel destroy's Palestine homes to enforce building codes ? In any other part of the world this would be totally unacceptable behaviour, humanitarian needs never play any part in Israeli thinking does it.

They also demolish illegal Israeli buildings and settlements.

I suggest you read the article fully, children and families being displaced..surely the 1100 people displaced (half of them children) Can't all be terrorists! C'mon Ulysses, you can't honestly agree with this, It's sick and a crime.

Nice. Another 'report' from the UN. How about doing more than reporting and actually take some action for a change?

The UN take action against Israel! Sadly that will never happen.

Mr Ban would be better having a holiday, instead of wasting his time with this. Israel simply does not want peace, all they want is continual expansion of their 'territory", while at the same time restricting Palestinian food and water supplies.

Couldn't agree more with this statement.

Couldn't be less surprised. Go ahead and paint Israelis as the bad guys and the Palestinians as the good guys. Anyone with the slightest bit of objectivity knows its not that simple.

http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/529204-un-report-israeli-demolition-of-homes-displaced-1100-palestinians-in-2011/

Not sure what you would call this JT, a crime against humanity is the only words I can describe, read the last paragraph! Israel as an occupying power has an obligation to protect civilians and administer the territory for their benefit!! Sure building more homes for Israelis will be benefiting the Palestine's ?? You wonder why some people have such a dim view of Israel !