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1 hour ago, sirineou said:

God is something, or some say  is everything ,and as you said something cannot come from nothing

So stop deflecting, apply your own standards to  Yahweh, and tells as uneducated, irrational, slobs where he came from. 

 

 

Always been.....

17 hours ago, CMNightRider said:

Does this mean you have no idea how humans, animals, sea life, and plant life have such complex DNA?  Do you still think something came from nothing?  

 

Are humans and sea life not animals?

It has been pointed out a myriad of times that the context of your 'something from nothing' question is entirely erroneous yet you continue with it unabashed. Why is that?

In any case, Dave (Colin) done it and I know it to be true because he told me it is true. Somewhat akin to knowing the Bible is true because it says so in the Bible.

4 hours ago, Skeptic7 said:

Yes. They've got alot of high profile kooks in the USA. Apologists (aka science, evidence, fact and reality deniers) the likes of William Lane Craig, Ken Ham (the Ark guy), Ken Hovind, Sye Ten Bruggencate, Matt Slick and dozens of others. Real nut-jobs. These guys never miss a beat, regardless how wrong and absurd the answer. Kinda like Trump! 

They don't really have a choice. Take evolution for example... They cannot accept it while at the same time believing in the creation narrative. This is why, to some extent, I'm on their side. The ones who pick and choose are the radicles.

All of these facets of untruth are a hobby that has gotten out of hand. Imagine you collect stamps, fist edition books, paintings, songs, limericks and such. We all love them dearly....  cherish them.... comfort them.... tend to their needs. I'll play with my toys and you can play with your toys. If you wish to play with my toys along with me then cool... you don't have to and in return I don't have to play with your toys. 

6 hours ago, Sunmaster said:

(Corrected to avoid misunderstandings)
 

Cheers

So, considering that after 200.000 years (since homo sapiens) we're still debating if God exists or not and no definite answer has been found yet that can satisfy one side or the other, I doubt we will come to a satisfactory conclusion here anytime soon.

The rudimentaries of believing\acting on **** for no good reason would very likely predate modern man. In any case.... as much as we like to 'big up' our species, we are still very gullable. One of my interests while traversing the planet has been local beliefs, superstitions and such. Some of it has been useful in that I always spread the entrails of a goat around my hut to ward off bad spirits and I'm still here to tell the tale. What more proof could I want?

6 hours ago, Mel52 said:

Hopefully this topic will help some people think about it a little more and hopefully will help people become closer to God no matter who you hold your God to be. But I may not identify with a specific religion but I ASSURE YOU THAT THERE IS MOST CERTAINLY A GOD.

 

 

The invisible leprechaun formally called Colin who resides in my shed assures me in no uncertain terms that there is no god. On what grounds should I disbelieve him?

6 hours ago, Mel52 said:

Wow this topic has been going on for months now. But yeah I definitely believe in God. Very much so! I was raised Lutheran but I don’t necessarily identify with any specific religion because religion too often divides us all. But I MOST CERTAINLY DO BELIEVE IN GOD! And when you’ve seen some of the things that I’ve seen in life (LOTS OF THINGS), it kind of makes you know for sure that God does exist. But people can believe whatever they want although I can’t help but feel sorry for anyone who doesn’t believe in God. I especially feel sorry for Atheists that’s a really pessimistic view on life.

 

Atheists and?

On 8/20/2019 at 2:38 AM, FarFlungFalang said:

I think one would have to know all 6000+ gods intimately to know which of them is more likely.You might also have a god of a particular thing or might have a god of everything or the god of "more likely" in which case the god of "more likely" will be the god you're looking for!

Yep. Totally subjective. Is a good required would be the next question. The answers are generally laughable with fine tuning being the most absurd unless the claimant has knowledge of other universes. 

On 8/20/2019 at 6:09 AM, Sunmaster said:

There aren't 6000+ gods, but 6000+ interpretations of what God may be. More likely there are as many interpretations of what God is (or isn't) as there are people living.

As many people who are alive or who have ever lived on the assumption they have asked the question. 

18 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

I'm confused. You are obviously composed of matter, so what are you suggesting if matter didn't exist? 

Perhaps you could provide a suggestion of how we are communicating without the existence of matter?

Does any other poster agree that matter does not matter ( pun intended )?

Soooo, when did it all start, and from where did the matter that makes the universe originate?

Where are getting needed origin from? 

18 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Ah, Danny Boyle film- the man that ruined The Beach. Interesting movie, but a bit far fetched.

Even insane people can believe in God. The thing about "God" is that no one is excluded, unless they choose to be.

I saw the most wondrous sunset last night, and I thanked the maker for such beauty. Doesn't mean that I'm going to march off and kill people in the name of any particular "god". 

Faith, not religion.

Yep. lol

Why would a perfectly splendid looking garden need/have to have fairies at the end or bottom of it? 

2 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Interesting. It is a fact that everything ends, one way or another.

No, never has it been shown that everything ends.

2 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

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Required for what, exactly?

 

The universe is composed of matter, so from where did it come? If we knew that, we'd know what "God" is.

I have lived with god for 2 years. It's from a movie and remind me if I forget to mention it later. Please.

You said matter was needed in some form and asked where it came from. I'm asking what data suggests that matter is required? Seems like a big call to me. Also, if we did somehow find out that matter was required it would add nothing to the god claim. You seem to me to have indicated that anything unknown is filed in a set called god. I personally tend to use the unknown set. 

Ah

Sunshine, was the movie. I was going to post a clip but it ruin the movie should you wish to watch it. My opinion of it is that the  base story is absurd but the dialogue, acting and effects are very good. 

https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0448134/

[edit] Calling Colin, Dave, isn't working out so well.

So with some historically recognised 6000+ gods, how would one know which of them is more likely?

On 8/16/2019 at 7:15 AM, thaibeachlovers said:

Also, no one has proven from what the universe came. This iteration of the universe started with the big bang, but there may have been countless iterations before as universes are born expand, die, contract and enter a black hole, to re emerge as another universe. Soooo, when did it all start, and from where did the matter that makes the universe originate?

 

To some, the universe was created from nothing, expands till all the sun's fuel runs out and then there is a great void full of dead stars for ever after, and we, with all our dreams and hopes and fears are nothing more than particles of dust on dead planets for ever and ever and ever.

That's not something I want to believe.

How do you know matter was/is required?

To some, the universe was created from nothing, expands till all the sun's fuel runs out and then there is a great void full of dead stars for ever after, and we, with all our dreams and hopes and fears are nothing more than particles of dust on dead planets for ever and ever and ever.

That's not something I want to believe.

As mentioned before, my interest in religion et al. is with regard to the psychological aspect of wish fulfilment. Not wanting to believe something or 'x' …. is exactly it.

Mostly it's not so much fear of death but rather fear of nothingness and/or insignificance.

Further to for ever and ever and ever....

In particle physics, proton decay is a hypothetical form of particle decay in which the proton decays into lighter subatomic particles, such as a neutral pion and a positron. The proton decay hypothesis was first formulated by Andrei Sakharov in 1967. Despite significant experimental effort, proton decay has never been observed. If it does decay via a positron, the proton's half-life is constrained to be at least 1.67×10³⁴ years.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proton_decay

In the interest of community cohesion I've started to call the invisible leprechaun Colin, Dave. That way it avoids confusion.

14 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

I would think that the universe, life and everything is a manifestation of God, and I really don't think he/she/it is happy about the way humans have destroyed his/her/it's planet. Retribution may be coming.

Could be. Yahweh downed all the pregnant women. 

4 hours ago, mauGR1 said:

Calm down, nobody is trying to impose any beliefs on you, at least on TVF. It's good to be skeptical, no need to be paranoid.????

Repeatedly hearing the same long falsified arguments being put forward can cause an increase in frustration level. That being said… how would religion propagate if not through imposition, given it is a faith based position?

A fellow member said something about the Universe being God. Member S7 pointed out that we already have a word or designation, Universe^[1]. Imagine a set (a+b+c) and adding an additional set ((a+b+c)). Sure... have at it horse.

1. U/u

16 hours ago, ivor bigun said:

If humans have been around for 200 thousand yrs, wonder why God did not send someone sooner to lead them? And of course according to the muslims he sent Mohamed years later why not in the beginning?

It paints a picture by all accounts. To believe it to be true is the wish to be a slave. That is aside and off topic because the result would be the same regardless of the existence of a god. My foodie friend over in Tehran calls it foolishness. Her English is pretty good but I was yet surprised when she used that word. Nice lady... always brings me top quality Persian saffron. Best in the world.

As I recall a couple of members have put forward the idea that religion was invented to subjugate others while I would posit that it is was and still is a human characteristic that as we may claim majesty, we are still very stupid ultimately due to our gullibility. What started out as going to the/an elder for information/knowledge gave to inventing stories because they never had an answer. It should also be noted that this would have long predated writing and that life expectancy would have been maybe 30 years so few would have known their grandparents. Over time those 'among us' whom are of a nefarious nature saw that a sea of credulity could be very useful to their agenda. Some members may argue that that is religion but their belief is not. Religions, cults, spirituality, Woowoo, voodoo, muti and so on are all facets of the same untruth.

[I was just about to hit submit and figured I should clarify. By untrue I mean claim 'x' has never been shown to be true. At this rate I'll need a bigger shed.]

Another fellow member mentioned from whence this supposed god came from. Infinite regress or not everything has to created... generally the latter is adhered to.

A piece on woo as mentioned above....

13 hours ago, BritManToo said:

Personally, I prefer Allah, as I'm hoping for a few more virgins after I'm dead.

Heaven sounds a bit too much like Issan for me (dull pastoral scenes with endless loud music playing in the distance).

Women get their husbands back.

47 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

The OP is "do you believe in God?" So the thread is about whatever we choose to regard God as. I have done my  best to define what I believe god to be, though perhaps the OP might visit us with a clarification, should he care enough to do so.

That you have.

On 8/9/2019 at 1:55 AM, hyku1147 said:

Imagine a chimp trying to understand Einsteins Theory of General Relativity. Then envision a human trying to comprehend the mind of God.

Man is unable to comprehend the mind of God because he is incapable of formulating the right questions.

You have yet to.... to personal perhaps. It has yet to be shown that the god concept itself is meaningful and because it's untestable it means it is unfalsifiable. It can therefor join Colin the invisible Leprechaun who resides in my shed.  

On 8/7/2019 at 7:25 AM, thaibeachlovers said:

LOL. Of course climate changes- it's been doing so ever since there was climate. The debate is whether we caused it to change, which is a nonsense, IMO, and whether we can actually stop it changing, which we can't, IMO.

If it was a PROVEN theory I'd be able to believe it, but it's no more proven that we can stop climate changing, than is the existence of God.

The atmosphere is large but it is still finite. You don't have to believe in man made climate change any more than believing in evolution, you just have to accept it. Oh.. are you an evolution denier also....

If you are not then this may well give you a chuckle.

I was reminded of this video by way of glacial layering which in turn reminded me of the iridium layer and Krakatoa.