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You would expect good information from the Iranian press?
You would not? What is your source of good information?
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According to the United Nations, there are an estimated 4,400 Palestinian detainees in Israeli prisons, including approximately 300 Palestinians who are detained without charges under the label of so-called administrative detention. "I have requested information regarding each of these persons, and I intend to follow up on each case and address this matter in my forthcoming report to the Human Rights Council," Falk said.
Brave man. He has my full support.
If that are cases of human rights violation those responsible for it must be exposed and "the world" (UN) has to speak and stand up against them.
A support by the International community can work wonders.
The imprisoned baker Khader Adnan could be become a future president of a Palestinian republic with al-Quds as capital just like the former apartheid prisoner Mandela became the president. Lets hope for peaceful future like that without any questionable and arbitrarily detention of Palestinian people anymore. They deserve the right of peace and freedom like anyone else.
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On the other hand they may see sanctions as a by product of the insane regime which fixed the last election and has ruined Iran's economy and stunted it's development for decades, however some TV posters seem to be more sympathetic towards said regime than the Iranian people are.
Iran made clear that the don't like the insane regime, that they support freedom loving people like they Palestinians and want to act peacefully and prefer trade over bullying and warmongering.
Ahmadinejad on record:
Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad has called on all nations across the globe to join hands to create a just world system and to establish lasting peace and security.
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The Iranian president emphasized that Tehran wants to strengthen its ties with all countries and criticized any resort to military action to settle disputes.
Ahmadinejad said sowing tensions will not resolve any problem in the world, where “economic problems have imposed heavy pressure on the people in Europe and the United States.”
“Of course, the US government usually tends to solve its problems by creating tension, war and conflict, but today, these methods have lost their efficiency,” he pointed out.
“The world today more than tensions and conflicts is in need of camaraderie and understanding and all [people] need to enjoy equal rights,” he went on to say.
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I don't quite understand how it is that the US is procrastinating with regard to attacking a country that poses no threat to them.
Iran does pose a threat to the US. They claim to be well on the way to a missle that will reach the USA and they have threatened to cause disruptions to the oil supply which would affect the whole planet.
1. Iran wants to build a peace pipeline.
Iran repeatedly threatens to eliminate Israel, it routinely breeches the convention on protecting diplomats and uses terrorists as proxy for it's foreign policy. It buries it's nuclear technology deep underground and refuses access to the IAEA (They may get into Iran, but they get to see nothing). Only the most blinkered apologists could argue Iran is a peaceful victim.
Edit: As stated, the inspectors get in but they see nothing.
Iran doesn't threatens to eliminate Israel. Skip that nonsense.
They just say that a regime change in al-Quds would be not bad because that regime is outdated. Demands for a regime change in Tehran you can read all day in the Western media made by western politicians.
Iran never declared that they build bombs to attack Israel or have any other plans to start a war with them.
All the warmongering rhetoric comes from the other side, from the enemies of Iran. they build special bombs fro Iran, they have the plans to attack Iran.
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A supposition made by those that are trying to make the claim of an Israeli/USA/UK/Gulf State Arab conspiracy that anyone that disagrees with their claim is in favour of a war with Iran. I certainly hope that there isn't a war. Nor do I wish to see anyone else die in violence. I also do not wish to become a victim in another incident involving grenade throwing Iranian nationals. And yes, that's what it was.
All the excuses and claims of a false flag operation cannot explain away that these were Iranians in the house that went kaboom and that it was an Iranian that tried to murder the Thai taxi driver and it was an Iranian that threw the grenade at the Thai policeman and that this took place on a crowded public street in Thailand. The USA had fortunately warned its nationals, but how could anyone really be prepared for this event? My sole concern at this time, and it is a selfish concern at that, is that I do not want to be maimed or die the next time something like this occurs. it's bad enough dodging vehicles when I cross Rat U or the beach Rd in patong. I don't need a grenade tosser to worry about on top of it.
The goal of a false flag operation is to make it look like a certain party committed the act. That is the case here with the Bangkok bombing. All signs point to Iran but they didn't do it. They were framed by the false flag operatives
Are they proved international terrorists yet? I think there is still the option that they are just criminals, or 'business men' who wanted to settle a dispute with criminal method. Or they were hired to do that, if you can hire people stupid and criminal enough to work as drug mules u can hire them also to building some bombs.
So that hasn't to be necessary a false flag operation. It could be just the normal stupid expats in Thailand who are doing something that is even more stupid than they are themselves already.
I remember a couple of foreign wannabe bank robbers, or a plot to blackmail a supermarket chain. No-one suspected state terrorism behind these crimes.
The armchair Sherlocks here are funny, their "investigation" results predictable, because its just all their own bias.
Imagine we had a thread about a foreign man with a broken heart and a failed business or just gaga in the head commit suicide with a hand grenade.
What spin would this thread take if the foreigner were an a) Austrian b ) Russian, c) Pakistani?
he was ... a) murdered by greedy locals. b ) a mafia member c) a suicide terrorist.
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I reckon the seriously injured Israeli diplomat in India is going to be upset to learn about that from a tin foil hat website. Yes, I know, the blood was ketchup....
I don't know about Georgia, but the attack on Mumbai in India was done in collaboration with Mossad/CIA, I find it sometimes hard to comprehend the bluntness with which politicians/governments lie.
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If Iran was behind any of these bomb plots it would be in retaliation for the murder of 5 Iranian scientists by Israel, the wife of one was murdered in front of her children.
If ...
But Iran isn't behind these terror acts. That is conspiracy nonsense.
There is no reason why they should have done it. Not an objective one, not a practical one.
The conspiracy theory that Iran (as in the Iranian state, gov't, clerics...) is responsible works only for those who are full of hatred and prejudice towards Iran, its culture and its people.
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Please clarify. Are you suggesting Thailand should take the side of Iran in the Iran vs. the west conflict or are you saying they should be neutral? I think neutral as much as possible.
Also, it is less loaded to simply say Thai-Iranian relations and Thai-Israeli relations. Somehow when people who defend the Iranian regime use the word Zionist the disdain they feel for Jewish nationalism is ever present. Thai nationalism -- great! Palestinian nationalism -- great! Iranian nationalism -- great! Jewish nationalism -- dirty!
BTW, nobody here has EVER said that all Jews are Zionists. But over 90 percent of Jews in the world do support the existence of the Jewish state of Israel.
I don't want discuss Zionism here. And of course Thailand should stay neutral and will do it.
Not being Anti doesnt mean to be Pro. If you are not with us you are against us - that is humbug.
Many posts here are clearly anti-Iranian. by people who get feed by western media.
What i am saying is that these anti-Iranian sentiment are not valid in Thailand. Thailand is not the USA.
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Your link doesn't work. There have been Jews in Thailand since the 1700s and also a wave Iranian Jewish refugees came here in the 1970s fleeing persecution by the Islamic regime in Iran. Why they didn't go to Israel, I can't say. Maybe they were afraid Iran would attack someday?Thailand ALSO has very good relations with Israel. Not as close as India and Israel though. India is dealing with even a more delicate situation as Israel is their key strategic military ally while at the same time being a major buyer of Iranian oil. Thailand buys VERY LITTLE Iranian oil.
Thailand's efforts not to anger either Iran or Israel are perfectly understandable. No argument there.
Persian Thais are one of the ethnic minority groups in Thailand.
That cannot be said about the Zionists. Sorry.
Seriously, the tiny resident populations of Persian Thais, Jewish Thais, Persian Jewish Thais, Zionists, or lesbian Jubus (google it) is totally irrelevant to Thai foreign policy in this current conflict.
th.wikipedia.org/wiki/ไทยเชื้อสายเปอร์เซีย
The link is to a Thai wikipedia entry on the Persian Thais. The article has also links to other ethnic groups and minorities in Thailand, like the various hill tribes for example. Zionists were not on that list.
it isn't totally irrelevant.
Google: Bunnag
Furthermore all Zionist might be Jews but not all Jews are Zionists.
The Thai-Persian ties are stronger than the Thai- Zionist ties.
There is also respect for the Hezbollah in Thailand and for the Palestinians of course. But that respect is more of other nature than the historic connection with Iran, its more in the national sovereignty and never been and not want to be colonialised way of thought.
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The Nation needs to think long and hard and to ask itself whether or not they love Thailand and its culture. it should consider these words by Buhddist writer Dhammajarat and understand that Iran is controlled by people that despise Buddhist Thailand;
I learned how Islam was particularly unkind and brutal to Buddhists, because to Moslems the Buddhist represented the most reprehensible type of human personality: the "atheist" holding no monotheistic God image as their object of worship and veneration. We were worse even than the far more numerous Hindus, with their vast pantheon of multiple gods. The Buddhists, to the Muslims, only worshipped the image of a man, and no God higher.
Apparently they did not bother to look into the philosophies of Buddhism any more deeply. That was enough for the sword to come down and the fire to be applied. And so they have over the centuries until today.
I remember, some years back, before the gripping situations that we face today had quite come in to focus for many of us, I followed the story of the great Buddhas of Bamiyan, in sad and war torn Afghanistan. The Russian war was over, and the rein of the Taliban was in full force, but they were not content to merely rule the people with an iron hand by the strictest applications of Sharia law. They had to physically erase the "infidel" past, as well.
I remember shedding tears as I saw the footage of those magnificent Buddhas, the tallest ancient statues in the world, being reduced to rubble by explosive charges and artillery shells. I remembered hearing on the news footage, that same cry of "Allahu Akbar!" -- as the dust of Bamiyan settled to reveal the emptiness of the destruction. The same cry that destroyed my meditative absorption under the Bodhi Tree.
Now, I pray we never hear this call in this our home, America. Not until and unless Islam totally and completely reforms itself after over a thousand years of ravaging and sweeping all others before it.
I feel, through my direct experiences of it, that Islam has not changed its ways in the least. In fact it has become more aggressive now than at any time since its period of greatest expansion in the 900s to the 1200s. "Modern" Islam seeks to return humanity to those very same times -- a revival of the dark ages of Islamic slaughter, mayhem, and pillage -- all in the name of Allah.
We Buddhists must realize that we, and our cherished practices, would be swept away entirely and crushed utterly, should Islam ever gain ascendancy in this world in which we live. Islam is the only belief that propagates itself thus -- by the sword.
And it is very patient.
Satu.
By Dhammajarat
FrontPageMagazine.com Dhammajarat is the pen name of a Buddhist author.
The Nation (the newspaper) and the Nation (the Kingdom) doesn't have to consider what that self declared Buddhist with the pen name Dhammajarat writes in an US American front fighter magazine about Muslims.
You have to consider what role Muslims play in the Thai society before coming up with some foreign nonsense.
The Muslim People of Thailand
The Muslim religion has had a significant presence in Thailand for centuries. Today, approximately 10 percent of the entire population, or roughly 6 million people, are Muslim. Obviously, then, they constitute one of the country’s most important minority groups.
Islam, with its roots in the Middle East, made its first appearance in Southeast Asia sometime in the 11th century. By the 13th century, the religion had been adopted by members of the ruling class in a number of islands throughout the Indonesian archipelago, having been introduced by traders arriving by ship from the Middle East. Many of these traders grew rich and, over time, acquired a reputation for honesty and diligence. This helped them to win the acceptance and admiration of the local people. As time went on, some of the Arab traders married local women, started families, and settled permanently in Southeast Asia. As a result, growing numbers of people left Hinduism and Buddhism and adopted the Muslim religion instead.
The history of Islam in Thailand dates back approximately 750 years, before the founding of the Sukhothai kingdom...
read more: http://thailand.prd.go.th/ebook_bak/story.php?idmag=24&idstory=191
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Sotheby's said the pastel-on-board version of "The Scream" is distinguished in several ways. The auction house said it is the most colorful and vibrant of the four and the only version whose original frame was hand-painted by the artist to include his poem detailing the work's inspiration. It is also the only version in which one of the two figures in the background turns to look outward onto the cityscape.
I hope that whoever will buy it, will make sure that it can been seen by the public in a museum or gallery and don't end up hidden in a bank vault
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By the way, if food prices are rising, is this likely to cause civil strife for the gov't?
Internally, what is the reaction to the sanctions and the effect it is having on everyday life?
Pointing fingers aside I tend to think the effect will be the same as any time sanctions such as these are used
to hurt an economy & people......Hatred will be directed against those who impose the sanctions.
Those hurt by them who have done nothing certifiably wrong only see this as another form of unprovoked attack.
The Kingdom of Cambodia considers oil imports from Iran.
Their opinion on sanction played a part in their rationale to do so.
Cambodia will not take into account the foreign policies of other countries toward Iran when considering investment in the Kingdom, Ek Tha said.
“We do not discriminate where our FDI comes from,” he said via phone, adding that the deepening of cooperation with Iran was strictly civilian, not military.
“Some Western countries put economic sanctions on [Cambodia] after we toppled the Pol Pot regime. We have learned some hard lessons about the damage of sanctions, so we will keep our economy open.”
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Thailand ALSO has very good relations with Israel. Not as close as India and Israel though. India is dealing with even a more delicate situation as Israel is their key strategic military ally while at the same time being a major buyer of Iranian oil. Thailand buys VERY LITTLE Iranian oil.
Thailand's efforts not to anger either Iran or Israel are perfectly understandable. No argument there.
Persian Thais are one of the ethnic minority groups in Thailand.
http://th.wikipedia.org/wiki/ไทยเชื้อสายเปอร์เซีย
That cannot be said about the Zionists. Sorry.
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The cops don't know how to use Google?
Do you know how to use google?
Before the news about the mysterious "sejael" stickers were out there were also no anti-persian, anti-muslims blog entries to be found which link the word "sejeal" to bomb like stones mentioned in the Qur'an and to the poetic description Palestinian resistance fighters use for their rockets.
Ever heard of graffiti tagging with using stickers?
Seems like a good mission for Thai computer gurus to pursue instead of searching the net for le majeste sites.
Whatever, but it looks like that the Thai intelligence gurus don't get their clues and conduct their investigation with thinking that the first and google search results that come up and feed their bias is the way to solve their questions like some armchair Sherlocks did here in this thread.
Google doesn't makes you smart but you have to be smart to use google.
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I didn't say that. Negotiations should happen, two way street. But peace is very hard when one side demands it all and uses genocidal rhetoric, like Hamas.
indeed, but all i was originally asking for in the very first post is the things that israel could also do, that's all.
i'm neither anti-israel or anti-palestine, i do think a fair two state solution is the only possible solution.
An one state solution would be much better. That would really mean peace and end of all problems.
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Asked if Thailand was being dragged into the conflict, Bizmark said IranianThai relationship has been flourishing for four centuries and official diplomatic ties have been ongoing for 57 years.
"When we reveal this relationship historically and diplomatically, there has never been any kind of tension between the two countries under the framework of bilateral relations," he said. "Who wants to sabotage this good relationship? That's our concern really. I am confident that through the wise management of the Thai officials they will not succeed in [damaging the good relations between the two countries]."
His Excellency Mr. Majid Bizmark , Ambassador of the Islamic republic mentioned an important point. Thailand and Iran have a very good relationship and no feud with each other.
The anti-Persian anti-Iranian sentiments, the hatred and prejudice towards Iran and its culture, so common in the Western world and its media, notably in the United States and Israel are totally unknown in Thailand.
Persian relations and migration to Thailand dates back to the great days of Ayutthaya. Take a look at the Bunnag family. Descendants of Persians retain influence in Thai public life down to the present day.And that also to the highest circles in Thailand. There is a reason why a publication like The Nation gives the Ambassador that space and publish this interview.
If you are in Thailand as a guest, as a tourist, as a foreigner you should respect Thailands view of Iran and not insist that anything else that is not written in the same stance like in the American media must be a conspiracy theory or not valid and not true.
Thailand is not America. Thailand is different. And that is good.
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The cops don't know how to use Google?
Do you know how to use google?
Before the news about the mysterious "sejael" stickers were out there were also no anti-persian, anti-muslims blog entries to be found which link the word "sejeal" to bomb like stones mentioned in the Qur'an and to the poetic description Palestinian resistance fighters use for their rockets.
Ever heard of graffiti tagging with using stickers?
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The Koran that tells of a miracle when birds from heaven dropped "sejeal stones" on an army riding elephants from Yemen who were attempting to kill Mohammed, scaring the animals and saving the prophet's life.
By coincidence, the Italian news agency reports that missiles were fired from Gaza including a heavy Grad last Friday..
Other newswires have reported "50 missiles were launched from Gaza at Israel towns. These missiles are often referred to as “Sejeal Stones” by ‘Palestinians’ depicting the story of Yemeni attackers upon Muhammad being repelled by scaring their elephants with stones"
Mr. Blows, you certainly have your eye on the news
.سجيل
"sejael" itself could be phonetic transcription for somekind of a stone/rock or baked clay.
sejael if it is a phonetic transcription of an arabic or persian word at all could mean almost anything. if you just have the sound of one word. two? syllables a translation becomes very difficult.
you can maybe translate whole body of a long text from one language into another. with only one sentence it becomes more difficult to translate. and only one word or the sound of one word its much more impossible.
sejael could be also just a name for a person.
http://islam.onepakistan.com/urdu/name_meaning.php?ue=%D8%B3%D8%AC%DB%8C%D9%84
or a name for an iranian missile. and yes the Qur'an has a story where baked clay came from the sky, dropped by birds at elephants. and yes its maybe also a poetic name some Palestinian freedom fighters use for their rockets.
Its also the way arab would make a phonetic transcription of Steven Seagal, the american Aikido instructor.
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It was not immediately known who was behind the attack as the government blamed terrorists while opposition groups accused the government of staging the attacks for propaganda purposes.
Genuine peace and democracy loving opposition forces against the dictator should be able to realise and to admit that there are also some third party forces around who are definitely up to no good.
The opposition is not portrayed by anyone as peaceful, merely as weaker.
As for "democracy loving", I don't think many have illusions regarding that and as far as I can this too does not appear in the OP.
There are various unconfirmed reports about foreign presence and aid given to both sides.
The rebels themselvs, btw, aren't a cohesive group. That is sure to add to the confusion.
The rebels ...
some of them you could call terrorists.
Next thing you need is the apologists who are telling you why is it okay to kill children - and the peace is restored.
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... creative license by the Thai media.
What Thai media? Typical Thaivisa forum Thai bashing comment that makes no sense.
Some people here just dream things up and than accusing others of posting 'utter nonsense'. Unbelievable.
Btw. Bout never talked with any FARC members. Thats another fantasy repeated here in this thread, but not true. So he was never caught selling weapons to them.
Where did you got your creative license from? America? Right?
You are correct on the title of the thread. It appears that Webfact took the creative license as this news article was not linked to a Thai news article, which is normally the case.
As far as Bout not having any contact with the FARC, just how do you know this? Have you ever been to Colombia? Do you know anything of the FARC or the ELN and how they came into existence or are you just blowing it out of your rear end. Having lived in Colombia for a number of years and witnessed the results of FARC bombing attacks, I can provide my own anecdotal evidence, although it would most likely fall on deaf ears. Bottom line is you are full of sh*t and you know it.
Yes, I am a citizen of the US, so what. What's your nationality?
1. Not webfact used a creative license to made this to a Thai media article. All that happened just in your head. your perception, your bias.
2. The US has no evidence that Bout ever met any FARC members and talked with them about weapon deals.
3. You are an US citizen. I am not. I have the ability to take and to understand different viewpoints.
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By "ISAF" does that mean it was not an American plane carrying out the airstrike?
It probably means that they don't want tell you that it was an American plane.
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And you know that for a fact ... how exactly?There was never a really threat that some terrorists would blow up tourist places in Bangkok. That was just some scaremongering fantasy warning born out of some paranoia by the US.
a) I am not paranoid and b ) it was in the newspapers. Thats how i know it.
Stick to the facts and put any conspiracy fantasies aside.
Shalom.
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QUOTE:"An airstrike carried out by the NATO-led International Security Assistance Force (ISAF) on Wednesday has killed at least eight children, provincial officials said on Friday."
Let's hope ISAF commanders sleep well in their beds tonight.
No worry, its nothing what these commanders aren't used to it. totally normal for them.
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The fact that one side isn't squeaky clean, does not make it all bad nor makes it's opponent moral superiority.
That isn't here about other armies.
Children are innocent.
NATO soldiers killed them, in Afghanistan, in Southern Asia far away from the Northern Atlantic.
GK's post sums what up? An apologists turn on it? The same people who show here up as apologists probably insist that Iran runs a nuclear weapon program, despite the lack of any evidence for it. Just to find another reason for another war.
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Would someone please remind me why nuclear is more economical than solar?
Its not only more economical its also more ecological. (... as long someone doesn't want to bomb it)
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Iran Envoy Claims 'Zionist Regime' Behind Bangkok Blasts
in Thailand News
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Thats is not true. Its a baseless conspiracy theory that Iran just tried to hit back.
There is no reason why they should have done it. Not an objective one, not a practical one.
The conspiracy theory that Iran (as in the Iranian state, gov't, clerics...) is responsible works only for those who are full of hatred and prejudice towards Iran, its culture and its people.