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Bluespunk
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Fifth vote done and looks like McCarthy has again failed to reach required number. Even before got through a quarter of members votes Donalds had scuppered him again.
McCarthy not even hanging around to hear final tally. Knows he’s lost the vote again and has left.
He might well be done now, Ken Buck hinting his conservative grouping may not continue to support McCarthy in another vote.
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McCarthy lost fourth vote. Democrat nominee got most, but not enough, votes again
Straight away McCarthy nominated again…5th vote on the way by looks of it.
Lot of blah blah blah with nominating speech but seems targeting the 20 who voted for Byron Donalds and the one who acknowledged they were present but wouldn’t vote (sparks or Sparts or something like that).
Jefferies now being nominated by dems again.
The band of 20 now renominating Donalds again. Fairly rambling speech but finished by implying trump has talked to the 20 and said McCarthy should quit trying to attain role of speaker.
Seems to be an endless cycle of doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result. The very definition of stupidity.
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Vote is still going on but already looks like McCarthy has lost a fourth vote.
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27 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said:It may be necessary to break either the GFA rules or the E.U Brexit rules as they might conflict with each other .
It wouldn't be necessary to break any rules about passport printing and if the UK had to break some rules , that dosent mean it can disregard ALL rules .
There will also be consequences if any rules are broken at all
I would be very surprised if the British govt felt it necessary to undermine the Good Friday Agreement, as you suggest may be the case, as this ended the troubles.
No one wishes a return to that violence.
Only the grossly inept and incompetent would contemplate such an action; and while I have nothing but the utmost contempt for the current tory govt, I do not consider even them to be that stupid.
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1 minute ago, ozimoron said:
off topic deflection much?
Exactly.
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4 minutes ago, JonnyF said:
Maybe you two have some "special" connection. Marvellous.
Nope. Just basic comprehension.
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2 minutes ago, JonnyF said:
You made it sound like being white you cannot comment on seeing a lot of racism. Maybe you could make it a bit clearer what you mean by "that experience" next time. The experience of being Indian or the experience of seeing a lot of racism? Thanks in advance.
It was quite clear to me what the poster meant.
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4 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said:
How do you feel about Harry and other people who keep making false accusations of racism ?
IMO, they are attention seekers who don't have much else to say and just shout "Racism" to get attention and its a form of bullying , accuse someone of racism and force them to defend themselves
Nonsense.
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17 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said:
Who was it that tried to get the result overturned and keep the UK in the E.U ?
Who got trounced at the next election because they didn't accept the democratic referendum result ?
Leavers or Remainers ?
This coming from someone who earlier posted a 51% vote for joining the eu wouldn’t be an acceptable result.
Hypocrisy much?
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1 minute ago, Mac Mickmanus said:
He did explain that he got mixed up and meant "Cowboy" , as in cowboy builder and got mixed up between cowboys and Indians , and meant to say cowboy builder rathe than Indian
Nonsense.
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2 hours ago, Pattaya Spotter said:
Orders of magnitude more Americans killed and injured (as well as property damage) over the past two decades from Islamic terrorists than "White supremacists"...but this inconvenient truth doesn't fit Ithe Biden administration's woke agenda.
Do you understand the concept of “current threat”?
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10 hours ago, Mac Mickmanus said:
Fair enough , peoples opinion has now changed and they realise that Brexit and Ukraine are the main reasons for UK's problems and I failed to keep up with that manoeuvre .
Now that the wholesale gas price has gone back to pre Ukraine war prices , hopefully the UK can get inflation back under control
Think again
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1 minute ago, Mac Mickmanus said:That is too close to call though , 51 % ?
They would have to have yet another referendum to make sure and try and get a clear majority
Oh dear, you wouldn’t respect the vote then…
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1 hour ago, Mac Mickmanus said:Its like a game of tennis :
"Brexit caused all the current problems in the UK"
"No, it was Covid and Ukraine that contributed to the current woes"
Back and forth
Who said brexit caused all the problems.
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4 hours ago, lungbing said:
At the moment
the main threat remains white supremacists.
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Yeah pesky facts that show the negative impact of brexit.
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1 minute ago, RayC said:Mac, I know that you place personal anecdotes above empirical data so here's one for you.
I have worked on more contracts in various roles and guises - both from the buyer and supplier side - than I care to remember. A fair few of them were anonymous, open tender bids in nature.
When I worked on tender evaluation, I cannot recall one instance where I could not guess the identity of the supposedly, anonymous supplier from their bid. This was not due to me being particularly perceptive, it is simply (almost) inevitable in large contracts - such as this passport contract - to maintain anonymity.
For a start, for a specialised contract such as this, there will usually only be a handful of companies who are able to meet the requirements. Once you receive the bids, there will almost inevitably be something in a reply which will identify a company (deliberately or not). A fictitious example (and I would stress that it is just that. I have no knowledge of the specifics of this particular tender).
Requirement: The supplier shall be capable of printing up to 5000 passports per week.
Supplier response: We are capable of producing 10000 passports per week (They might add something like "... at our two plants" or " ...at our facility in Poland, etc)". Either way, it either identifies the bidder or, as a minimum, eliminates other bidders. There will almost certainly be a number of requirements like this and the identity of the various bidders will become clear.
As I also said in a previous post, if the UK government had wanted to ensure that a UK company - in this case, De La Rue - won the contract it could have "massaged" the requirements to ensure that happened.
Another fictitious example: Let's assume the French-Dutch company only has one plant and De La Rue has two.
Requirement: The supplier shall ensure that a backup plant is available to fulfil the orders in the event of a failure at the original plant (Note: A terribly written requirement).
Is this a moral approach to business?: I guess that depends on your values: Is it legal? Almost certainly. In any event, any company disputing it would have a hard, expensive and time-consuming time arguing otherwise.
Phew: After all that, it really boils down to something simple: If the UK government had wanted De La Rue to win the contract, it could have ensured that was the outcome.
It is hardly a coincidence that so many eu countries use home based companies to print passports.
Whether awarded or through tendering process.
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2 hours ago, Pattaya Spotter said:
But the Biden Justice Department, and his Attorney General (and bitter failed Supreme Court nominee) Merrick Garland, tell us "White supremacy" is the top domestic terrorism threat ????
Attorney General Merrick Garland and Homeland Security Secretary Alejandro Mayorkas discussed domestic terrorism threats before a Senate committee. Both concurred that white supremacy is a top threat in the U.S.
They tell you that because that is the current assessment regarding terrorism.
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1 hour ago, Chomper Higgot said:So what does the poll at the top of this thread tell us?
That you reap as you sow?
Be careful what you wish for?
The truth hurts?
All of above?
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Just now, Kwasaki said:
Why arn't you having a beer this time of night. ????????
I don’t drink alcohol.
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1 hour ago, cleopatra2 said:
If the UK had not placed the contract to open tender they would have been in breach of the EU and WTO agreements not to discriminate.
At the time approx 20% of UK passports were being produced outside the UK without any security risk being identified. This limited the UK options , as they could not reasonable claim a security risk as a reason to not tender the contract.
Once placed to tender the Government has a duty to obtain the most economic benefit for the UK taxpayer.
EU regulations at the time allowed countries to award passport production contracts rather than put up for tender.
Hence France doing so.
“French passports are made by Imprimerie Nationale, the state-run French printing organisation, with the French government having made the decision not to put the job out to tender, as allowed under EU rules”
That may no longer be the case but it was when the U.K. govt chose to put the current contract out for tender.
Edit: Other countries do so by citing security concerns I’m led to believe. Whether they are genuine or not they are cited…
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3 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:
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The mind boggles.Oh I get it, let’s ignore one of the most, if not the most, important outcomes of Brexit.
That would appear to be a school of “thought”.
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4 minutes ago, nauseus said:
But it's not relevant to this thread. The descriptor used was overall, not economic.
Nonetheless...
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14 minutes ago, youreavinalaff said:
Doesn't change the fact it was the uks decisions that led to passports being produced in Poland, not eu rules.
They did NOT have to put the contract up for tender but could have chosen to award the contract to a UK company.
The French did the so for French passports.
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NOW: McCarthy appears to suffer defeat in historic second ballot for House speaker
in World News
Posted · Edited by Bluespunk
Looks like they’re going to have a sixth vote now.
McCarthy being nominated by a member who has referred to this process as Groundhog Day. A lot of blah blah blah again but definitely targeting the band of 20…again. Apparently McCarthy can get things done…except for getting a speaker selected it seems. She’s just accused Democrats of drinking alcohol during this process.
Democrats nominated Jeffries again. Took about 30 seconds and unlike the McCarthy nominee did so without hurling insults about.
Band of 20 nominating Donalds again…ranting rather than rambling this time. According to him Washington is broken.
This is going nowhere…