Bluespunk

52 minutes ago, youreavinalaff said:

My posts have been clear all along. 

 

It is possible to talk about negative impacts thus far, although Covid and Ukraine war must be factored in, but impossible to say Brexit is a failure as it is ongoing.

Others who support brexit, including the instigator of this poll, do not all think so...

6 minutes ago, youreavinalaff said:

I didn't say you can't. That was my point.

 

 

Good, we are clear then.

5 minutes ago, youreavinalaff said:

Erroneously, as I pointed out. It cannot be deemed a failure as it, currently, is infinite. 

 

Should it come to an end, UK rejoin???, everyone can then look back and comment.

 

 

 

Nope, we can comment on the negative impact brexit is having on the uk economy whenever it is relevant to a thread.

4 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

They did . 

Here , from Wiki

 

Following open tender under EU public procurement rules in 2018, the Franco-Dutch security firm Gemalto was selected over British banknote and travel document printer De La Rue. The result of the tender proved highly controversial, as it saw the production of British passport blanks moved from Gateshead in the UK to Tczew, Poland

 

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_passport#:~:text=The result of the tender,it being more cost efficient.

 

The U.K. bid was put up for tender in 2017.
 

The U.K. govt could have ignored the tender process at the time and chosen to award it to a U.K. company.

Let’s not forget this all happened after brexit vote.

The U.K.s passports are produced in Poland because of U.K. govt decisions and not eu rules. 

12 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

Check the link date .

The new E.U rules about Procurement policy came into effect on January 1 st 2018 which were the rules the UK followed and that's why the UK PPs were printed in Poland , any Country getting passports made before that date , the French for example, wouldn't have to abide by those rules and the French gave their contract out for PP printing  BEFORE the new rules came into effect 

 

 

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/procurement-policy-note-0417-new-threshold-levels-2018

Yeah, except the U.K. put its passports up for tender in 2017

https://www.designweek.co.uk/issues/3-9-april-2017/uk-passport-redesign-490-million-contract-following-brexit/

6 minutes ago, puchooay said:

Incorrect.

 

You, and only you, made a suggestion as such.

 

This is a forum. One cannot be called out on a forum.

It’s not a suggestion. It’s what happened. 
 

Once more

Scotland and Ireland are not the same and neither are the situations. 
 

Here’s a clue for you: one is about independence and one is about unification with another country. 
 

The conditions for a vote on either are not the same. 

1 minute ago, puchooay said:

That's the best prediction I've made today. 

 

That is, you would not give direct answers to my questions.

 

Excellent. 

 

Once again, I have not attempted to defend anyone.

Deflect away, but be aware you have been called out for doing so. 

5 minutes ago, puchooay said:

Excellent work.

 

Please tell me what part of my post, the one you didn't like so criticised, was not based on facts.

 

Let me help you a bit.

 

Didn't he Scottish people vote to remain in UK?

 

Did SNP win more seats in the following election?

 

Thanks.

 

 

Scotland and Ireland are not the same and neither are the situations. 
 

You are trying to deflect from the fact you inadequately defended a poster who was wrong when talking about Ireland. 
 

Again Scotland and Ireland’s situation are not the same. 
 

Heres a clue for you: one is about independence and one is about unification with another country. 
 

The conditions for a vote on either are not the same. 

2 minutes ago, Kwasaki said:

Out of interest would it be possible for UK to get rid of Nth Ireland in some voting way or are the Protestants to much in control.? 

Here’s some reading for you. 
 

https://www.instituteforgovernment.org.uk/explainers/irish-reunification

3 minutes ago, puchooay said:

That would be your opinion.

 

A flawed opinion.

Yeah, except I have backed up the statements I have made on Ireland with facts. 
 

Do try to keep up. 

3 minutes ago, BritManToo said:

The Catholics do, the Protestants don't.

 

Nonetheless…

7 minutes ago, puchooay said:

So, now comparisons are not permitted. That is if you don't like them.

 

 

You can make all the comparisons you wish. However do not be surprised when it is pointed out they are flawed. 

1 hour ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

It was E.U rules that was the reason for UK (blue) passports being made in Poland 

Was it?

The U.K. govt could have chosen the U.K. bidder in 2018 but instead chose a French-Dutch company operating in Poland. 
 

Which eu rule forced the U.K. govt to reject the U.K. companies bid?

4 minutes ago, Kwasaki said:

Which would make it time to get rid of Nth Ireland one way or another.

That is for the Irish to decide under the terms of the Good Friday Agreement which ended the violence of The Troubles. 

2 minutes ago, puchooay said:

You didn't refer to Scotland.

 

I used Scotland as an example of differences between elections and independence or self determination voting result.

 

Your feeling of superiority undermines you.

 

Thanks for trying though.

Scotland is not Ireland and the situation of each country is not the same. 
 

What you mistake for superiority is simply pointing out evidence based facts….

1 minute ago, puchooay said:

I did say the best place to start. The Scots voted to stay in the union but then SNP won most votes at the next election, yet some polls suggest they would vote remain again.

 

Nice to see you are respecting poll results too. 

 

BTW, I'm not trying to defend anyone. I quoted a post and gave a suggestion. That is all.

Where does my post refer to Scotland?

You do know Eire, Northern Ireland and Scotland are not the same country?

Thiugh in time Eire and the Ulster Counties may be united, if that be the peoples will. 
 

Intended or not your defence was inadequate. 

8 minutes ago, puchooay said:

I would say the last vote for self determination would be the best place to start. 

Really?

I’d say the fact that sein  fein is the largest party on both sides of the border is a better indication of the views of the Irish as a whole. 

The poster you so inadequately defend claimed the Irish populace, on both sides of the border, do not want unification, a claim that is wrong. 
 

And let us not forget polls show a majority in the Ulster counties support the Northern Ireland protocol. 

As did the last round of Stormont elections. 

A vote the unionist parties are not respecting. 

17 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

I don't think that the Northern Irish would agree to that and also many Irish don't want that either 

Garbage.
 

You are absolutely clueless as to what the people of Ireland wish. 

23 minutes ago, Kwasaki said:

Happy New Year. 

Happy New Year ???? 

7 hours ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

No need to be concerned, I for one prefer peoples personal experiences and I don't ask for links . 

  Maybe its the people living abroad that don't like to hear about personal experiences in the UK and they prefer to get their information from biased news sources ?

Of course you prefer alleged experiences as you cannot refute the fact based reports showing evidence on the negative impact brexit has had upon the U.K. economy. 

15 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

The GFA states that Irish unification can only happen when all sides agree to it and theres been a vote on it and Unionist group claim that moving a hard  border between the UK and Ireland would create  a united Ireland and the DUP find that unacceptable 

The people of Northern Ireland have shown in elections and polls they are in favour of the protocol.
 

The unionists are not respecting the vote by preventing Stormont meeting. 

Do some research. 

Just now, Mac Mickmanus said:

No ones actually agreed to anything at the moment because the GFA states that all parties must agree to any major changes and talks are currently in progress to any further agreements , the situation at the moment are just temporary measures  until they can come to an agreement they all agree to

Gobbledegook to cover up your complete lack of any understanding on the subject of Northern Ireland protocol and the Good Friday Agreement.