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Another photo doing the rounds on the big Thai web boards and all over Facebook.

If this was the prime minister of my home country, the people would feel humiliated before the rest of the world. Talk about losing face, does this even exist here? This was taken while she was attending a meeting of government business.

If I was a Thai citizen, I 'd feel embarrassed especially if I had a hand in voting this person to power. Yingluk clearly is not cut out for the job. It is little wonder that there have been 18 governments overthrown since the late sixties.

I am loving this new obsession with taking photos on phones and putting them out all over the internet. Do you think Barrack Obama or David Cameron would be photographed like this? This is what separates Thai politics from the rest of the civilized world.

Alas this is in no way an isolated incident. It happens all the time here, and this just gets attention because it gets on Facebook, and the thread starter on FB gets a load of kudos for getting lots of likes on their video. Tis a sad and sorry example of the attitude that exists in Thailand.

I have seen many road accidents here in my time, but have noticed a radical change in the way people flock to assist. They no longer do that, they flock to record it on their iphones. I am serious, I saw a horrible road accident a few months back where someone was lying in the road bleeding out with around 10 Thais around him/her, and at least 7 had their phones out recording the gruesome sight and not a single one was giving assistance to the injured.

It has really come to something when a person's life is less important than someone's facebook social status.

I digress a little but all this talk of whether or not an application for extradition would be filed got me to thinking about another case where in fact extradition by an Australian court was applied for.

A few years ago an Australian was stabbed to death in a Melbourne street by 3 Thai when he went to help a Thai woman being beaten by them.

All three men immediately fled back to Thailand.

Extradition was sought but the last I heard was that one of the accused had disappeared ( had good connections) and the courts here were delaying decisions on extraditing the other two.

Anybody have any updates on this case?

And back on the subject, despite so called extradition treaties between Thailand and Australia there is no guarantee Thai courts will uphold an application if lawyers argue (and apparently successfully they have) that their Thai clients will not receive a fair trial in racist Australia and/or that if convicted in an Australian court they would be subject to inhumane conditions in an Australian jail - 5555.

That was the Thai lawyers using that angle to appeal against the extradition which they all do as a matter of course, and they were filing for the accused to be tried and convicted in Thailand.

The fact is that with the information available, it is impossible to know what the legal situation is in this case.

Were the 12 million taken from the company? Did he send them to her and the money never made it to the company? How was the company structured?

Directors, share holders? Etc.

If he is coming with an Australian lawyer, it may well be from an international firm that has offices in Thailand as well, so between them they may have

been able to assess the situation and advice the farmer to take action only if they think he has any chance of success. Yes, there are lawyers in some

places who give honest advice to customers. Maybe even in Thailand, specially if from an international firm (if that is the case, we don't know that either).

All things considered, it is extremely unlikely that he will ever see any money back, because of the way things work here, even if he wins the court case,

but in that case he might be able to get some satisfaction by making life difficult for the woman.

He definitely made a mistake, costly one, but it is not at all comparable with stupidities committed by those guys who buy a bar girl land, cars and family

pick-ups after a couple of weeks of sex.

He met her in Australia. For all he knew and could see, she was a normal farm girl, just as he is a normal farm guy (with more money and too naive).

Whatever the end result, I hope he gets some sort of satisfaction and that those 15 million have not put too much of a dent on his finances.

The Thai news website has a lot more details than what I can see in the English language media.

The girl set up the company between them, it was originally meant to be a school to teach Thai people wishing to work in Australian farming. It was supposed to all be above board. What actually occurred was that the company was set up and then nothing happened, it did not trade, it had no premises, it did not run as a company, it sat as a shell with no tax returns filed. This was all found out last November which had been wound down.

All the money that was being sent over to help cover the running costs didn't even go into the company books, it was just diverted away. So basically the company was just set up as a smokescreen to perpetrate a fraud. The whole thing was fake from the start, and so I doubt it will come under embezzlement in court, it is just going to come out as outright fraud.

What an idiot the guy is proving yet again that love can't be bought. I spent a few years living in country Australia and was shocked to see how some Aussie farmers treated their Asian wives. Karma rules! If you check the wholesale price of onions. $0.5 million is a lot of onions which makes me wonder if onions are his only crop. Unless the guy arranged for the funds to be paid in in a well documented contractual manner it may be that the lady hasn't broken any laws. Even if convicted it will be difficult to get money back if she is broke which she will be if she is half clever. If he feels bad about the whole thing he could move to UK where any old slapper who can sleep under yr roof for 6 months becomes a defacto spouse with entitlement to suit. If he had a few half decent sh*gs with a half decent girl he may have come out of it fairly well considering his options at home or other Western countries where it's getting harder to tell which girls are pregnant and which ones just have a beer gut to show off

It sounds as tho he did it through solicitors in Australia as they came over to inspect the business and found it to be closed down. He hasn't just got off a flight and stormed into a Police Station either. Sounds as tho he has pre arranged a Thai legal team and an interpreter which may have been arranged by his Aussie legal team.

The majority of the large agricultural businesses in Australia use transient workers (backpakers) and those on 457 visa's. A lot of people sourced from S/E Asia via agencies for the harvest season. I would say this guy used these agencies and his "fiancee" was a 457 holder. I believe the guy saw what he perceived as a good venture cutting out the middle man and also providing his service to other farmers for a nice return. The business was probably established using Australian/Thai lawyers and he believed using his future wife as the majority partner (51%) was a safe bet and it keeps it in the family. He didn't just meet her in bar and fell in love after she said he was so handsome and sexy. He had known her for approximately 3 yrs.

It is not easy to transfer this amount of money out of Australia and it would have been via solicitors for the business and that would be why he is armed with legal/business documents. The lawyer representing him in Thailand is possibly the Thai arm of his team who helped establish the business in Thailand.

Just my thoughts.

Probably the most open minded and accurate post so far.

@ simple1

It was 15 million not 12, and even if it was only 10 million, The courts in Australia almost certainly would apply for extradition..... why?

Because it is a high level crime, its not as if she stole a tube of toothpaste from a chemist, its half a million bucks.

It is not up to the courts to decide if it is worth pursuing, It is up to the courts to see that justice is done. It is their duty to support a conviction especially knowing how corrupt the Thai law system is, that just adds more fuel to the need for extradition. The treaty exists that should a person or persons commit a crime that is punishable by a custodial sentence then it is an application for extradition can be made.

This guy is lawyered up, and the lawyers will petition the court to apply for extradition and the courts can NOT refuse. Or risk being seen to not be upholding the law, which is their number one duty. They don't have the power to make a decision on the victim's fate, they have to go by the measure of the law. Anyway, it is not their decision, they refer it to the Attorney General, and he/she makes the decision.

It is more up to the Thai government whether or not they hand her over. But I doubt the Thai authorities would not want to piss off the Ausies by refusing. Its not like she is facing the death penalty. Australia and Thailand have reciprocated plenty of times in the past, no reason to assume anyone would block it.

Anyone thinking that a $500,000 fraud case is not worthy of extradition, they should read the Patrick Pretty Blog archives, there are plenty of extraditions going on for much less than that figure, mostly people running internet pyramid scams. Some for less than $100,000

Wrong...

Why would Australia extradite someone for an a crime committed in Thailand.

Wake up.

Ask professor Google, he

will show you many instances of Australia extraditing people both Thai

and Aussie to Thailand for crimes committed in Thailand. But who's even

talking about Aussies extraditing her to Thailand, if you can read

straight, then you would know that we are talking about Thailand

extraditing a criminal to Australia for a crime she initiated and

committed between the 2 countries and is grounds for extradition.

Just like that Peado that was extradited to the UK from Thailand for Paedo crimes he committed in Thailand.

I will accept that you are blissfully ignorant.

I wouldn't bother to respond, because judging by your irrelevant comments, its showing that your argument is sinking fast. All you will be doing is rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic.

What an idiot the guy is proving yet again that love can't be bought. I spent a few years living in country Australia and was shocked to see how some Aussie farmers treated their Asian wives. Karma rules! If you check the wholesale price of onions. $0.5 million is a lot of onions which makes me wonder if onions are his only crop. Unless the guy arranged for the funds to be paid in in a well documented contractual manner it may be that the lady hasn't broken any laws. Even if convicted it will be difficult to get money back if she is broke which she will be if she is half clever. If he feels bad about the whole thing he could move to UK where any old slapper who can sleep under yr roof for 6 months becomes a defacto spouse with entitlement to suit. If he had a few half decent sh*gs with a half decent girl he may have come out of it fairly well considering his options at home or other Western countries where it's getting harder to tell which girls are pregnant and which ones just have a beer gut to show off

It sounds as tho he did it through solicitors in Australia as they came over to inspect the business and found it to be closed down. He hasn't just got off a flight and stormed into a Police Station either. Sounds as tho he has pre arranged a Thai legal team and an interpreter which may have been arranged by his Aussie legal team.

The majority of the large agricultural businesses in Australia use transient workers (backpakers) and those on 457 visa's. A lot of people sourced from S/E Asia via agencies for the harvest season. I would say this guy used these agencies and his "fiancee" was a 457 holder. I believe the guy saw what he perceived as a good venture cutting out the middle man and also providing his service to other farmers for a nice return. The business was probably established using Australian/Thai lawyers and he believed using his future wife as the majority partner (51%) was a safe bet and it keeps it in the family. He didn't just meet her in bar and fell in love after she said he was so handsome and sexy. He had known her for approximately 3 yrs.

It is not easy to transfer this amount of money out of Australia and it would have been via solicitors for the business and that would be why he is armed with legal/business documents. The lawyer representing him in Thailand is possibly the Thai arm of his team who helped establish the business in Thailand.

Just my thoughts.

Probably the most open minded and accurate post so far.

@ simple1

It was 15 million not 12, and even if it was only 10 million, The courts in Australia almost certainly would apply for extradition..... why?

Because it is a high level crime, its not as if she stole a tube of toothpaste from a chemist, its half a million bucks.

It is not up to the courts to decide if it is worth pursuing, It is up to the courts to see that justice is done. It is their duty to support a conviction especially knowing how corrupt the Thai law system is, that just adds more fuel to the need for extradition. The treaty exists that should a person or persons commit a crime that is punishable by a custodial sentence then it is an application for extradition can be made.

This guy is lawyered up, and the lawyers will petition the court to apply for extradition and the courts can NOT refuse. Or risk being seen to not be upholding the law, which is their number one duty. They don't have the power to make a decision on the victim's fate, they have to go by the measure of the law. Anyway, it is not their decision, they refer it to the Attorney General, and he/she makes the decision.

It is more up to the Thai government whether or not they hand her over. But I doubt the Thai authorities would not want to piss off the Ausies by refusing. Its not like she is facing the death penalty. Australia and Thailand have reciprocated plenty of times in the past, no reason to assume anyone would block it.

Anyone thinking that a $500,000 fraud case is not worthy of extradition, they should read the Patrick Pretty Blog archives, there are plenty of extraditions going on for much less than that figure, mostly people running internet pyramid scams. Some for less than $100,000

"The fact of the matter is that many Australian farmers are as dumb as rocks"

"Cashed up and as dumb as a rock...every Tirraks dream man"

Moreso than any other farmers? I don't agree. Naive, yes, but the difference is the forked tongue women one can find here - seem to be able to take everybody for a ride.

except Russians?

Are you saying that nobody ever pulled a fast one on you?

I think he might do better to sue her in Australian court if any of the offences (promises, etc) occurred there. At least he could predict an end date. Might give him an action which could be registered with the Thai courts.

She can be tried and convicted in both counties. Normally the criminal is convicted in their own country first and then can be extradited to Australia to face charges there too.

It is classed as an international crime because it was perpetrated in both countries. Though it is highly unlikely that Australia would pursue an extradition, but there is the treaty in place between the countries and if Thailand fails to convict her because she has obviously paid off the right people with some of the stolen money, then chances are that Australia may want her to face trial.

It is $500,000 we are talking about here. It is well enough to file for extradition.

Fanny will pull you further than dynamite will blow you, well done to the thai girl that unloaded this silly <deleted>, he had something sticking up between his eyes !!

So you know this guy then?

Good luck to him, I hope he gets his money back, or at least some of it, well maybe a little. Seriously, with an Australian news network getting involved it may also garner interest in other countries, I wonder what TAT will do to counter the bad press over this one, and all the other accounts that will surely come to light as a result of the international media coverage.

Never the less, the naïve, sexually frustrated and lonely can have an extraordinary blindness to common sense. It will still happen, and in the bigger picture I see it as fair game, instigated by dishonest sex tourists. There are so many men pouring into that country, promising to marry, simply to lure women into bed, then walk off, never to return, screwing a few more gullible women before departure date, that the "us versus them" will be well fuelled for a long time. I have spoken to men, some I have considered as friends, who have told me about their lies, as though proud of it. It sickens me. So if an article, or news report is going to cover this, it needs to tell the history of male exploitation of women in Thailand, else it's nothing more than a one-sided witch hunt.

How strange....

I have been here for years, and I must say that I have never met a farang who fits the profile you describe. If these people do exist it is going to be well under 10% of the expats over here. Not once have I met a farang who has lied to a Thai girl. You are hanging out with the wrong people.

With all that said and done. a handful of pissed up tourists who demand sun, sea, sand and sex is hardly an excuse for ALL farangs to get screwed over.

Remember, that guy was not a sex tourist, he was her employer in Australia. He hadn't even been here until they were to be engaged.

Its just sad to note that Thai girl cons are no longer restricted to Thai soil, they are branching out abroad and plying their trade in the home country of the farang. Probably where they know the farang is not going to have experience of this deadly trade.

Of course, the old saying "A fool and his money are easily parted" is very applicable here.

He made it easy for her, and she took advantage of an opportunity. Who knows, she may have been sincere.. engagements get called of every day, in this case he's angry and calls it fraud.

He sent the money willingly... I'd say he has no case and the Thai authorities are just playing the game.

There are 2 types of TV member.

1. The type that is helpful and have genuine sympathy for the inexperienced farang who gets stung.

2. The type that comes here hoping to see other farangs get turned over by Thailand and Thais.

Just because someone get shafted by another Thai girl does not make him a fool. Anyone who has managed to build up a lot of money is no fool. Not many people have $500,000 spare to give to his future wife. Don't confuse stupidity with inexperience. If you ever loved someone in your life, then you trust them. Do you trust your own wife or GF?

These girls are very clever, its a trade here in LOS, all the village girls know how its done, most won't do it, but some will (and do).

You can't blame a man for loving his partner and trusting her. I don't think he is so much of a fool, more like he let his heart rule his head.

I also believe he very much has a case. My wife read this story out to me on a Thai news website 12 hours before this thread was started and the guy actually had 49% of the company in his name and it was all done through lawyers, so yes... She has embezzled, and she HAS committed fraud. Whether or not she will have to pay some of the farang's money on paying off the police and the judge to get the case dropped is another thing.

Wow Mr chalerm....good detective work...the initial...SSSSSSSSS.....who could it be...that sneaky little SSSSSSSS.

Guy Fawkessssssssssssssssss

After all this, I bet the guy's name is something like Cedric or Cecil....lol

If you're looking for world-standard experienced and competent Thais that have good English skills, you'll probably need to do a nationwide search, employ recruiting agencies, advertise in the Bangkok Post, and expect to pay at least as much as you would for a westerner.

For the usual hit-and-miss routines, might get lucky, advertise in your local paper, jobsDB and similar sites and contact your local universities. And for anything more than rudimentary English skills, you'll need to pay more than you probably expect.

Once you find people that meet your needs, realize that they're very unlikely to stick around for long, unless you both compensate them well and - more importantly - do your best to make the job relaxing and entertaining.

And have no qualms about them spending their entire working day on Facebook..... It's true.

Surely even 5 year olds know the baht will plummet and the reasons for it and the real reasons it was pushed so high.

Could you please explain in simple terms for my benefit,"the real reasons it was pushed so high."

Not being sarcastic here but I (and possibly a few others) don't know either the real or supposed reasons for the baht strength, just assumed it was because the UK and USA economies are in the shitter.

It was probably pushed high to fool the Thai people into thinking that Thailand's economy is sooooo good, and probably 90% of them believe it.

The recent strength of the baht has worked against Thailand's interests actually. With exports dwindling fast. Thailand is no longer anywhere near being the worlds largest supplier of jasmine rice, and Thai chilis in UK supermarkets actually from India. The baht strength has made importing things cheaper and this produces a huge one sided import/export deficit. Which means more money is flowing out than is coming in. That is no good for a country's economy.

Then you got the impact on tourism with other destinations looking a lot cheaper alternative. Then you have the expats who pull in their belts when the baht is strong and yet spend a lot more freely when it is weak.

Those are just the major points, then when you get into the macro-economics which have a compounded effect on an economy what you end up with is a mess in the making, and Thailand really needs to get its currency devalued if it wants to see an upturn in its position in the rest of the world.

Thailand is in a position to get out the third world status, but it has blown every chance, and the attitude that exists here says that it will never get out of being third world. Cambodia, Myanmar and Laos will get out of that lurid status long before Thailand can manage it.

I am glad you weren't my economics professor. The baht has been strengthening, but there is more money flowing out than coming in? Thank god it is weakening and the money is flowing back in????????

Thailand's economy is heavily biased towards exports, so the weakening baht should give them a bit of a boost, but huge amounts of oil and inputs to make these exports have to be imported. I wouldn't wait for the drop in the baht to help rice exports one tiny bit, it has been bought wayyyyy over value. Then beyond that, lets wait to see where the petrol, bunker oil and gas prices go, if and when the baht does drop a bit, and inflation really takes off. Great......

>mports in Thailand decreased to 21550.60 USD Million in April of 2013 from 21636.72 USD Million in March of 2013. Imports in Thailand is reported by the Ministry of Commerce. Historically, from 1991 until 2013, Thailand Imports averaged 8499.24 USD Million reaching an all time high of 24454.66 USD Million in March of 2012 and a record low of 2760 USD Million in February of 1992. Thailand imports mainly raw materials and intermediate goods (around 56 percent of total imports). Fuel accounts for 19 percent, parts of electronic appliances for 11 percent, materials of base metal for 9 percent, and chemicals for 5.5 percent. Machinery, equipment and supplies such as computers and mechanical represent 25 percent of total imports, and consumer goods account for 8 percent. Main import partners are Japan (20 percent of total imports), China (15 percent) and the European Union (8 percent). Others include the United Arab Emirates, Malaysia and the United States. This page includes a chart with historical data for Thailand Imports

http://www.tradingeconomics.com/thailand/imports

So you see, a huge amount of the inputs used to make the exports all just got a bit more expensive.

I am equally glad you are not my economics student.

You pasted a quote that basically reinforces my point, and you only point out fuel, which is a single commodity and in no way dictates a county's overall economic health.

Exports are down and imports are at a record high, fuel is only 19% of the import situation and Thailand actually exports fuel also.

The thing I was trying to say was that who wants to buy ANYTHING from Thailand if they get a shit rate on the currency conversion? and with a strong baht, its a good thing to bring commodities into the country..

let's simplify it for you.

More things imported, = more money leaving the country, less things exported = less money coming into the country. Which basically means the economy is slowing as there is less wealth. When a bust follows a boom, historically inflation rises dramatically as business owners put up prices to retain the margins they have become accustomed too.

Don't just look at the price of petrol and measure a country's domestic economy. Its a lot more complex.

I don't believe the OP.

Thais don't disrespect money (with the King on)

I too think this is a BS OP post, knowing that the 'scum tourists' in the title would bring them all running.

I agree, I don't know of any Thai that would throw money in a bin, and especially because of the image of the King. My wife picks coins up immediately if they fall out of my pockets when taking my clothes off for bed, she does not like to see the King on the floor.

Also, a 'classy' girl with 'integrity' would likely walk straight past 4 guys on the street. Then there is the fact that even pissed tourists in packs won't proposition general girls on the street when their are so many places all over the place that have hundreds of very attractive girls who are more than willing to cater to their needs.

So I am issuing a general BS ALERT!

The ruling government will have to shut the entire Internet down very soon,

.... will they do it??? That's the only way...

Are they capable of? ... Most likely... because the Internet exposes a lot world wide within milli seconds

On the other hand you can crack-hack the government agencies' websites because their passwords are "PASSWORD"

Come on.... They are not that stupid, everyone knows their passwords are '123456'

Have you ever given thought to the superstitions of Catholics in the Western world ?

Or are they not relevant and are acceptable because they are farangs ??

Eh ???

Superstition has nothing to do with being educated or not.

Don't confuse religious belief with superstitions, it is not even related.

Religion is high intensity brain washing from multiple sources of which most are state controlled. as a conditioning program. the other are just silly superstitions handed around by friends and family.

Western culture has just as many superstitions

Yes, but that is spread across a hemisphere. Thais hold hundreds of superstitions each, Westerners may stick to 2 or 3, but Thais believe every single one.

One good little earner, and this can be done on a permanent basis if you know someone unemployed over there wants to make a few quid on the side.

Take with you, a huge quantity of incense sticks. I am talking the bundles of 500+ which can be bought around temple shops for dirt cheap. I think my wife's aunt sells 500 cheap ones for about 100 baht. Take about 20 bundles, they don't hardly weigh anything. Maybe that lot will weight 5 or 6 KG.

Split them into bundles of 100 and sell on Ebay for about 99p a bundle of 100 and charge £3.99 for shipping and handling. I guarantee you will sell at least 10 bundles a day. You need to be a clever marketer here, because this make a huge difference. You need to state that they are blessed by Buddhist monks at (whatever temple is closest to the shop you got them). This is not a lie, all incense sticks get blessed albeit in bulk 10s of thousands at a time, but they do get blessed.

Put up a few pictures of the temple near the shop, try to get some pics of monks on there and give a write up in the description about the temple and the day to day life of a Thai Buddhist monk. You will be amazed at how much interest you get from customers. I did this 3 years ago and was overwhelmed with emails thanking me for listing them. I don't do it now because I am making really good money at the moment.

Its best to sell cheap and load the P&P price because you don't get charged fees on postage costs by Ebay.

You should make £4 a time profit, and your packaging materials can be got cheap from Ebay at about 18p for a jiffy bag and 2p for address label in bulk.

This is just one item, but you can also add to it with cheap monk trinkets that can be got for 50 baht and again are all monk blessed in the temple. these can sell for £8 to £10 each.

Just go down the local (big) Buddhist shop, they will do you a discount on bulk items, the more different items you have, the more you will sell per day on Ebay, and the more profit you can make.

Biggest benefit... Its legal.

Always remember to state in the title that they are 'genuine Buddhist monk blessed'.

Hope this helps.

A bundle of 100 Incense sticks £3.99, that may just cover the Postage cost in the UK,(the Post office has lost big time in the last year,and postage costs have rocketed,then there is EBay costs,about 50p.

Just checked... You are right.

Its doubled from 54p to £1.10 in 3 years on a large letter up to 400g

May be easier to just push em out in 500s for £20 and charge £3 postage. Ebay gets 10% of item price.

Still in profit, and likely would be snapped up by other Ebay sellers who will split them into 20s.