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Thanks everyone, about what I thought.
Job done so this thread can be closed.
Cheers.


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The Thai intends to stay in Thailand for the foreseeable future with her EU husband.

She has a Thai ID but no Thai passport.

 

I believe that she will be treated as an EU Citizen and can have a 30 day visa waiver and all the rules that go with it.

 

In order for her to stay as a Thai, will she have to obtain a Thai passport,

then leave Thailand on the EU passport and return on the new Thai passport?

 

She thinks that once she has the Thai passport there is no need to leave and re-enter.

Advice please

 

Edit

Maybe she does not have to leave because she will never need to show the EU PP again?

Hi Lungjoe, Something to think about.

Your marriage extension needs to be renewed annually and you can apply 30 days before it expires.

Some Immigration offices let you apply 45 days prior to it's expiry.

Thus, you will always need to be in Thailand at that time to make the application to extend.

 

Personally, I spend less than half time in Thailand so I organised my ext expiry for the end of April, after Songkran as I always want to be in Thailand then.

So I can apply from the end of March (my Imm Office only allow 30 days).

 

Actually, I have a retirement ext because it is less hassle for me than the marriage ext which needs two visits to Immigration over two months to get the full year.

The advantage of the marriage ext is that you can get a work permit if you ever need to and it only needs 400,000b in the bank,

I don't need to work so the retirement is easiest for me.

 

I arrived with a 90 day non Imm O visa near the end of January one year, so after 60 days (end March) I could reapply, job done.

So, if you have to let your ext expire and then start again, just remember that whenever your ext expires is when you need to be in Thailand to reply, or start again.

 

Best of luck

Read the book, Thailand Fever

Not only will you learn about Thai culture, you may learn some of your own culture.

 

Read also Private Dancer.

 

Under no circumstances get into confrontational situations, politely walk away.

Never lose your temper or display rage in any form, anywhere, no matter how right you are or how wrong they were.

Do not use zebra crossings.

Look for and use the pedestrian bridges.

Always ask for the meter to be used Before you get into a taxi.

 

Remember that Thai's can commit no wrong that a simple Wai and apology can't resolve.

The foreigner is always wrong and will always pay.

 

The head is revered, the feet are not!

So no pointing with your feet LOL

 

 

 

 

Apply to the Thai Embassy Paris for a 3 month (90 day) Non Immigration O (ther) visa.

You have a period of grace before you have to use the visa so your travel plans do not have to be written in stone.

Get yourself good health insurance that will continue at reasonable prices as you age.

 

Arrive in Thailand and travel to your desired destination and rent somewhere for long enough for you to know if the location really suits you long term.

 

Remember that if you decide to take a trip out of Thailand, your visa will be cancelled as you exit Thailand.

Therefore, you should purchase a re-entry permit (form TM8), (1,000 baht) before you depart, this keeps your visa alive (and/or your permission to stay in Thailand [an extension])

You also need a passport photo for the TM8.

 

A multi re-entry permit costs 3,800baht so unless you intend to make more than 4 trips during the period of your visa (or extension) it's cheaper to buy a single re-entry permit as and when you need one. It is possible to buy one at Immigration at the international airports but check first.

 

Locate hospitals and health care facilities, entertainment etc.

Learn about the noise, smell, where you can find foreign food and wine at reasonable prices etc etc.

Learn about VIP buses to travel within Thailand.

 

30 days before your visa expires (Some Immigration depts allow 45 days before, check) you can apply to Immigration to extend the visa for 1 year as a retiree and it costs 1,900 baht..

You are over 50.

You must show 800,000 Baht in a Thai bank for 60 days continuous before the day you apply

Note that if you decide to stay long term, the proof of funds period becomes 90 days after the first time when it's 60 days.

 

You must update the bank book on the day you apply and take photocopies of the book.

You must also get a letter from your bank to state that your funds were in the bank at the correct amount and for the correct period.

(Kasikorn Bank charge 100 Baht for the letter)

You will need a completed TM7 form (application for the extension) and a photograph.

I have the retirement ext so I always buy a single re-entry permit when I apply for the extension.

OR:

Contact your embassy and prove to them that you have an offshore income of at least 66,000baht per month.

The embassy may charge you a fee to provide you with a letter to Immigration as proof of funds.

 

Also remember to make a 90 day report to Immigration for every 90 continuous days in Thailand.

 

If you decide to rent rather than stay in hotels/guest houses you must report your address to your local immigration.

The first time TM28 and possibly TM30.

When you leave the country and return to the same address a TM 30 bust be given to Immigration.

If you change your location, TM28.

 

When you stay in hotels/GH's, they make the appropriate reports.

 

Truthfully, the property owner should make the reports but some don't

If the reports are not made, it is you who will be fined!

So for safety's sake, do the reports yourself.

 

Good luck.

 

 

Hmmmm, Why not make a charge?

It's done in other countries.

As an example, there is an admittance fee of €5 (almost 200 BHT) for the Cathedral's in Almeria and Granada - Spain.

They do include an audio guide though and children under 12 are free.

Every visitor pays, tourist and locals!

 

Strewth, only 20 Baht (about €0.50)

 

16 hours ago, oilinki said:

Mosquitos are not attracted to UV-light. Butterflies and wasps are. 

 

One could do a co2 emitter by putting some sugar, yeast and a bit of water to a bottle. Then use a small hose to direct the co2 inside of the bug zapper. 

The yeast produces little C02, would the fan waft it away?

 

3 hours ago, GreasyFingers said:

Aside from the economics is there anyone on TVF that can explain the Chinese toiletry habits. After our recent trip the wife will not go into a toilet cubicle if a Chinese woman comes out of it as they have pi*sed all over the toilet and the floor. How would they do that? Even the Thais can squat on a western toilet.

 

There are very good reasons why a western toilet should not be Squatted on. The main on is their design.

They are designed to be sat on and the body weight is evenly distributed around the ri,.

If squatting the whole body weight is placed, first on one foot then the other before becoming balanced.

The same happens when getting off the squat.

The porcelain is not necessarily strong enough to withstand this treatment.

Here are some example of many:-

 

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/travel/travel_news/article-3043331/Chinese-passenger-hospitalised-airport-toilet-COLLAPSED-squatted-not-clean.html

 

 

14 minutes ago, Brunolem said:

Considering that China GDP per capita is actùally lower than that of Thailand, one may wonder how the average Chinese is able to spend more than Westerners who are five to ten times wealthier???

Either the Chinese are especially spendthrift (seriously?) or the Westerners are especially thrifty...

 

Averages are made up of the "Haves" and the "Have Not's".

Maybe it's only the Have's who can afford to travel, and then with a limited budget compared to Westerners?

 

Perhaps, therefore, the total number of Chinese visitors to Thailand may have a limit much lower than at first glance?

Time will tell.

As has been mentioned, the Westerners have been a tourism support for 30 or more years.

The influx of the Chinese is only recent.

 

Someone mentioned the Russians.

There are some new and incredibly rich Russians but I don't think that they are the ones who are generally seen.

Perhaps like in the 50/70's when we Brits found cheap package holidays in Spain?

It was a special treat that we blue collar workers could just about afford!

We also went slightly mad in the sunshine and all the goodies that were available in Spain and not at home (like cheap wine!)

In Thailand, we all know what is abundant here but might not be so in one's home country.....

 

By the way, just because they look Chinese, dosen't mean that they are necessarily from China.

I met a huge group of Taiwanese in Samut Songkran the other month and they were very nice and well behaved folk.

I spoke to a few of them and their English was better than most Thais that I would meet in that location.....

(My Mandarin is very poor but they made the effort to try to understand me!)

 

Is there really much difference?

Hua Hin seemed like a smaller version of Pattaya to me.

 

Next round Phuketians?
What about Canchanabury Nong Khai, Udon Thani Chiang Mai etc.

Where ever there are lots of Foreigners deciding to live in a pack, the locals will provide them with the delights that suit the foreigners and make money for the locals.

 

Try to remember that Patts was probably first visited by hordes of Gi'S having R&R from Vietnam.

Boys with little to lose who wanted to have as much fun as they could before they got their final reward......

That might have set the tone for Patts future?

 

 

15 minutes ago, NanLaew said:

I think you are over-thinking the worst-case scenarios. The overstay and blacklisting is typically for people they catch on overstay in Thailand or people who have had some earlier legal issues, court case, not necessarily immigration-related, such as illegal working, fraud, libel, etc.. Even they are usually black-listed while still in-country and not in absentia.

 

AFAIK, it hasn't been used on people obviously already coming from the outside of Thailand for any previously undetected or misreported overstay. I can appreciate your concerns though since this mistaken overstay allegation is probably due to someone actually checking up on stuff and thinking they've got their token bad guy.

 

Unless you have p!ssed of someone who has decided to make up the overstay allegation which the police acted on for a nominal fee..

 

12 minutes ago, Spinman said:

They did, in fact, come to the house.  Dispatched from Prang Ku to Ban Kumad.  The police spoke with the neighbors, as the family wasn't home.  They took pictures of the name on the gate and specifically asked where I was, and if they had seen the Buckseeda around lately.  The various neighbors all told the same story.  I left more than 6-8 months ago, and haven't been seen since. The poo ya ban lives directly behind the GF's house.  I don't know if they spoke with him or not.  

As far as I know, they didn't search the house.  Prank Ku police seemed to be satisfied that it was just a data error.  I have never had any problems with Thai Police or Immigration.  Still, someone sent them, and that would have been Immigration.  Why I raised that flag, or warranted, in their minds, that level of investigation is beyond me.  Perhaps they're rounding up long time over stayers now.  I have had all pleasant interactions with the Immigration office in Sisaket, in the past.  They have actually been extremely cordial and unbelievably helpful.  A nice shirt, clean shave, wai, being humble,  and proper respect go a long way.  So does Yes Maam, and No Sir.  

One of the previous posters did bring up a very good point.  The Thai GF might not be comfortable dealing with those in uniform.  Pressing someone into doing something that they're uncomfortable with, even if it's well-intentioned, might be too much to ask.

 Again, thank you to everyone for your suggestions.  They are greatly appreciated.  I don't plan on returning to Thailand until October, so hopefully, that will give me a little time to get everything in order.

David

 

 

 

Whilst you could ne over thinking but, it was an extreme action that they took and therefore something should be done now.

Emailing the IO sounds like a good plan to me.

A nicely worded job from you giving them evidence to show that you did everything legally.

I did rather like the idea that the airline(s) may also help with proof of your departure.

The photo of you with a newspaper, OK too.

 

Depending on your situation, you may have utility bills that show that you were consuming electricity until you left for Thailand, comsumption stopped or was severly reduced whilst you were awar and then resumed on your return.

 

I don't live any where near you but my Thai wife knows a lady who works for a big company who employ many foreign Asian workers.

My wife's friends job is to sort out visas, extensions etc. for the workers and so she was very helpful to us in establishing good contact with our local IO.

 

Our TM30 is done by phone and copies of my PP and stamps are sent via the Line App.

 

I wonder if your G/F may also know someone like this?

 

Stay calm, for sure the error will be correct way before October.

 

Best of luck

 

 

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The Moon Is About To Do Something It Hasn't Done In More Than 150 Years

 

 

You can call it whatever—a purple moon, a blue red moon or a blood moon—

but on 31^st Jan, the moon will be a special and you don’t want to miss.

Three distinct astronomic events will happen concurrently that night,

resulting in what some are referring it as a super blue blood moon eclipse.

See the video in this link:

 

http://www.physics-astronomy.com/2018/01/the-moon-is-about-to-do-something-it.html#.Wm1X1OfLhhE

 

So, a bit after 8 in the evening, we should start to see it develop?

Moon Phases for Bangkok, 25 Jan 2018 – 16 Feb 2018

First Quarter	Full Moon	Third Quarter	New Moon
25 January 05:20	31 January 20:26 Blue Moon	7 February 22:53	16 February 04:05

37 minutes ago, theoldgit said:

As somebody who has responded to numerous MP's letters, as well as those from Ministers and indeed royalty, in the days before correspondance units, I can confirm that rasg's comment is spot on.

Some MP's may write a generic letter which will go to the correspondence unit, who will in turn draft a generic response for the Immigration Minister to sign, if your MP is a Minister then it might be signed off by the Home Secretary.
Most MP's will not become involved unless they are satisfied that there has been a clear breach of Immigration Rules, this sort of letter is very rare, I'm not sure that I've ever seen one.
In aswer to your question, Ministers decide on the policy, the Civil Servants put that policy into Acts, Operational Instructions or Guidlines and Operational Staff work to these, MP's have no sway over the decision making process.
As to what are they there for? good question. 

 

Of course I understand it's a long shot, but if many people constantly send letters and they constantly have to send their draft letters,

perhaps, eventually they may decide to do something about it to stop themselves being pestered (lobbied) by us?

 

Clearly they respond to professional lobbying!

Our problem is that we are not organised.

Perhaps there are other forums who might consider a strategy like this?

 

So what if it didn't work before, why not keep trying?

Why accept defeat?

Shouldn't we have rights?

Sure, they shrug us off because we are a small group, but why stay quiet and insignificant?

Let's organise and create a stink!

 

As CJ said, We didn't get here by bending over and taking it!

 

I'm now 76 and only part time in Thailand and I shall probably spend even less time as the years roll on.

The task of getting organised should be on the shoulders of younger people/hust retired and have the time and energy to do this work.

Like a Union, there would necessarily be some monthly or annual subs to pay for professional advisors if necessary.

and, and, and.

I'm sure you know what I mean.

Now if I were 10 years younger, I'd be up for it.....

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

1 hour ago, rasg said:

Not much point as an MP has no sway at all over the decision making process. I agree that it's a good idea but I doubt it would make much difference.

 

I don't think you'd have the numbers necessary to force anything. When most journalists don't understand the rules themselves to write or talk about them what chance for the public unless they have been in the same situation?

 

OK, that's your opinion and you are entitled to it.

Do others feel the same - Oh the idea might not work, so let's not try?

Nothing ventured, nothing gained......

Interesting that you think this:-  "Not much point as an MP has no sway at all over the decision making process."

Who does then?

What are they there for?

 

 

Now here's another idea, (but possibly daft).

In the commercial world, when a foreign company wants to make a bid for a government contract in another foreign country,

the country with the project sometimes required a Tender Bond which was returnable at the end of the tendering process.

This procedure was to ensure that the gov only got serious tenders.

The bond could be just that, a bond or cash and the value could be quite high.

(Actually cash gave an advantage because the gov holding the cash could deposit it and gain interest LOL)

Anyway, if you broke their stated rules, you forfeited your bond.

If you kept to the rules, your bond was returned.

Why can't we have something like that?

In a case like this, why can't the Brit offer his house as a bond and as long as his visitor checks out before the visa expires, the bond is returned?

 

or why can't he visit the Brit Emb with photos over the years and witnesses if deemed necessary, Brit or other and be allowed to convince the Emb that their intentions are true.

The emb could offer a certified letter to say, ok to issue a visa?

Why are we, the British Sponsor, treated like aliens?

 

I believe that it is totally wrong and discriminatory that our Thai g/f's and wives are treated this way, because they are from unscheduled territories!

If we were dealing with ladies (or gents) from an ex commonwealth country - no problem, they have rights.

Why do we, the Brit men and women NOT have the right to marry any woman in the world and have them treated as if she was a Brit?

 

I could go on but I'll stop now in the hope that this post is not regarded as off topic.

But, why don't we rise up and contact an MP?

Would there be enough of us to successfully force a petition through?

Is this the source of another thread - first a pole and then depending on the interest........

 

OP, why don't you write to your MP and explain the difficulties you and your lady are facing and ask for help from the MP?

 

3 minutes ago, SunsetT said:

Im with Kasikorn. What account is it and how much is the interest please?

 

A regular savings account.

Currently only locked for a rolling 3 M period.

Near the end of April, after I have renewed my retirement ext, I shall change the period to 12 M.

Interest is then about 1.3% can't remember.

Sometimes they have a promotion.

I want to be sure that the change over point does not occur in the seeding period, just in case that may cause a problem.

Normally, I add about 1,000b on the day I ask for the letter (100b) and the book is updated and shows 800,001 or whatever.

The IO is then satisfied cos the book was made up.

If there are no transactions, the book can't be made up.....

Actually, cos I regard it as emergency cash too, there's a bit more than a million in it now.

 

 

 

7 minutes ago, crazygreg44 said:

doesn't the bank deduct some fees over the years?  Or will the fees be egalized or outhweighted by the incoming interest? Because in case the fees drain the account slowly,  it would be advised not to park 800,000 but 810,000 before forgetting about it 

Kasikorn don't make charges and I get interest that goes into a different account.

There is no ATM card on that account so no charges and no thieving (hopefully LOL)

 

5 minutes ago, SunsetT said:

Does the income of 65000 thb need to be shown to be coming to Thailand or just in the UK?

When I did it, I took copies of bank statements showing the cash into my UK bank.

It was accepted.

For Americans, their embassy trust them and I believe no copies need be shown.

 

2 minutes ago, SunsetT said:

I believe the criterium for application to enter as a common law wife is proof that u have been living together in Thailand for 2 years which we never have as I always return to the UK for the 6 'summer' months.

OK.

My wife and I spend a minimum of 183 days in Spain every year.

Often more.

This is so we are both resident in Spain.

So when you say 6 months, specifically, more or less and in which country more, cos that's the country you are resident in.

 

I was hoping that 7 x 7 or Elviero or theoldgit could clarify my point.

 

When we took my wife's son to Spain a couple of years ago, he had a letter from the company he works for stating that he had xx days holiday and needed to be back at work on.... etc.

That was a real help of course and he applied for his own visa and therefore understood everything himself.

It's harder when the visitor is totally supported by another and there is no way to get such a letter.