laislica

I use to have a job sweeping up in a glitter factory,

it was pretty rubbish.

Keto is a great way of retraining yourself to lose weight and get more healthy.

I have done it several times over 30+ years.

Veggie juicing for 6 weeks was a real winner for me.

However, the long term effects have not been adequately studied IMO.

Here is (one of many) of what I feel is a good explanation of Keto, the good and the bad....

https://www.everydayhealth.com/diet-nutrition/ketogenic-diet/keto-diet-possible-short-long-term-effects/

Personally, I feel it should be used long enough to retrain the body.

Then we should revert to a wider range of nutritious foods which will naturally include carbs if you go plant based rather than processed foods.

If after Keto, weight rises, then we should review our calorie intake, nutrition levels and exercise etc.

Possibly having an occasional day without eating?

Here are some normal foods.....

Good luck with them

https://www.webmd.com/men/ss/slideshow-belly-fattening-foods-men-love?ecd=wnl_day_061318&ctr=wnl-day-061318_nsl-ld-stry&mb=zNDFwGGVvcoVRb8wppMS0Xg0WleHxvIqeZAleHzGxWI%3d

A true story about a man who drank a lot and his wife said if you ever come home drunk again, I shall leave you.

Well he went to the pub and drank a lot and threw up all over himself.

He said to his friend, my wife said if I ever come home drunk again, she will leave me, what shall I do?

His friend said, why don’t you say that someone else threw up over you and gave you a 20 pound note for the dry cleaning bill.

So the man went home and explained this to his wife.

She asked him why he had two 20 pound notes in his hand and the man said,

Oh, that’s from the other man who shat in my pants.

18 hours ago, balo said:

Nonsense , you don't know much. The natural yoghurt from Yolida is 100% natural with live bacterias . The only Thai brand worth buying IMO. 

OK, OK, OK but...... please play nice.

I get what is being said by welovethailand and IMO, apart from a few brands, what he said is generally true world wide.

Our food has been hijacked for sales and profit, even products that are sold as healthy may not be so.

I am 76 and I have seen how it has changed over my lifetime and not for the better.

Threads like this are an excellent way of sharing info so that others may inform themselves and benefit from that knowledge.

It's easy when you know how but with the manufacturers spin doctors and mega advertising that is often full of lies, how does anyone find the truth?
The manufacturers have had laws passed so they can hide what is really in their products.

Like:

50+ names for sugars.

E numbers

Flavour enhancers (MSG?)

Aromas

Anti caking agents

etc. etc.

and loads more to many to mention.

As I mentioned before, Sauerkraut that has been pasturised for goodness sake!

On 5/25/2018 at 2:54 PM, welovethailand said:

  On 5/23/2018 at 1:42 AM, balo said:

 

I agree, and one other thing , we do not need a lot of the food daily , our body was not intended for all this food that makes us gain weight.

 

I analized this statement for awhile, to figure out what angle its suppose to be aimed at...basically, it makes no sense to me, BUT he did say one thing I would like to comment on. "our body was not intended for all this food that makes us gain weight.". Yep, there we have it. The elephant in the room. This "food" that makes us gain weight is not "food". It is chemicals, toxins, by-products, sodiums, msg's, High frutose corn syrup (there is your "weight gain") and all  sold under the name "Cheap, Healty, Good for you".  People we are being attacked in all directions, and especially our foods, water, air....Did you know McDonalds foods (sorry, McDonalds is not food) has no fiber at all in it? Those who eat this garbage everyday get no fiber in your gut and stand a 50x greater risk of colon cancer. Fiber is needed in our bodies, they are like the little "scrub brushes" who go in there and clean up the mess left over by the other stuff. The fiber "scrapes" our colon as it is processed from "intake" to ex-pelling it. Hope that helps. 

And as far as the one gentleman stateing he is glad to have had anti-biotics after his surgery. My friend, the reason you are glad you had anti-biotics, was to protect you from in "unserile" conditions of a Hospital and ...here it is ...the big kicKer...READY?   To protect you from the "Toxins" in the meds they were giving you.

Thank you, mick-drop, I have exited the building.......mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

I hear you and sort of agree.

In my terms, I believe that we evolved as a species to regularly be short of food.

Only the ones who extracted the most energy out of what they consumed survived and procreated.

We are programmed to survive on very little, but in modern times that has changed in a few decades.

Food, and good food at that is available 24x7.

It's not just junk food folk who have the modern diseases.

Proper healthy eaters get em too!

We eat too often and at that, very dense calorie stuff and our bodies just can't cope with that.

It gets no time to relax and rest.

It's always busy digesting and trying to rid itself of the toxins ingested and also created during natural digestion.

We are overloaded.

Our systems start to break down and we get sick.

It may take ages, but we get there...

IMHO, the solution is to give our systems a rest - stop eating.

At least for a short time.

Then see if you feel better or not.

If better, you now know what to investigate more/do.

If not - sorry.

Look for another cause.

Could the problem be an autoimmune problem?

But keep looking.

Just sayin, there is no - One Size Fits All!!!!!.....

2 hours ago, Justfine said:

What causes people to overeat?

Hunger

Addiction

Boredom

 

 

Temptation

Always available 24x7

2 hours ago, jakestevernson said:

Justfine, your diet list seems very sensible to me. My diet is getting somewhere similar to yours in recent months. I have a 'relaxed' day of eating once a week, but as a result my training has massively improved.

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I agree, very sensible.

I don't do the protein powder and prefer to get the protein from veggies and the little meat and eggs I eat.

However, I have a lot more leafy greens, lettuce, toms, cucumber, beets, celery, peppers, fresh ginger, chili, turmeric (both fresh and powder).

Some days I eat raw, salads and other (most) days stir fried veggies.

The relaxed day of eating is also a great idea. I think it teaches our bodies that there is never a shortage of food ao it does not turn the metabolic rate down.

The biggest thing for me is avoiding wheat. It seems to bloat me and I get very fat from it.

I also crave other food too.

Cheese unfortunately is also not good for me and it is quite hard to give it up as I love it so much.

Giving up milk was easy as I don't have cereal fro brekkie.

We currently have Aussy friends staying with us for a month so sensible anything ia outa the window LOL

However, I have convinced my M8 to cut down on wheat and have bacon n eggs for brekkie.

His weight has gone down from about 99Kg to 87.5Kg in a week.

He now doesn't feel as hungry as before and is eating less, hence the lost weight.

Despite the excess alcohol and tapas we are consuming.....

OK, because the weather is cooler in Spain, it's true we spend several hours just walking every day, but it's a gentle exercise and doesn't burn many calories.

However, when we're walking, we're not eating or drinking LOL

We're all having a great time though.

1 hour ago, welovethailand said:

Tumeric and lots of water, we should all take, everyday, to take out the toxins that we have no control of, now a days.

For the gut, stay away from junk foods...excessive drinking and drinking..you need to balance your ensimes...more fibers (vegetables, nuts, fruits..less meats (meats do have alot of parisites in them).

Magneiseum? Balance it with calsium as a "buffer" for your stomach.

But , most importantly, Tumeric...we eat so many toxins in everything today. Foods are cheaply made and full of "TOXINS".

There are several herbs that detox.

My favourite   (when I can get it) is :-

Coriander (Cilantro)

This strong-tasting herb is most often used to chelate heavy metals like mercury from the body. You can enjoy it in salads, soups, smoothies or fresh-pressed juices. You can also find this available in tincture form, but do consult with an herbalist before taking it, as it can be quite potent and strong. A heavy metal detox does require guidance and support. A nice bowl of Coriander soup is lovely, IMHO.

On 5/19/2018 at 11:49 AM, tropo said:

The calcification problem is probably a deficiency of magnesium AND boron. Most of you are boron and magnesium deficient. It has been noted in a few countries (there aren't many) that have sufficient boron in the soil that the incidence of arthritis is extremely low (less than 1%). Few agricultural soils have sufficient boron. My arthritic pains virtually disappeared when I started taking it. Better late than never. I wish I'd known this when I was younger before the damage was done. I aim for about 20mg of elemental boron per day, and about 400mg of magnesium. Magnesium can be tricky as you have to find a bioavailable form that doesn't upset your bowels as some forms can really increase GI motility. Magnesium can be a great, natural laxative.

 

 

I have heard that magnesium is best taken on an empty stomach to help absorption.

One idea was to take it in the middle of the night when you go to pee.....

On 5/15/2018 at 5:15 PM, mommysboy said:

I have always found porridge a great balancer.  Just gets boring day after day.

Shame that there is little nutrition in porridge oats....

If recovering from an illness that needed antibiotics, your body needs good nutrition and everything that helps your body repopulate with the "good bacteria".

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That's not to say lotsa stuff - just the best you can consume.

So a good probiotic with millions of different Good bacteria and fiber rich plant foods that feed em is a great start.

Also  small steady steps, there is no rush.....

Learn to listen to your body and react accordingly.....

poaoni wrote about fasting and asked what's in it for him.

Better health.

What could be better than that?

It's not like you do this forever, just a short time and from time to time.

2 minutes ago, tropo said:

Although we meet somewhere in the middle, you solved your digestive problems by eliminating foods you can't digest well. I solved them by improving my digestion through fortification of the intestinal flora. Irrespective of the health content of food, I don't have any problems with digestion, and it doesn't matter how I combine foods. The weaker your digestive system, the more foods you will have to avoid as incomplete digestion of food causes many problems (as you highlighted in your last thread).

 

 That's not to say I subsist on white bread as I tend to go for healthy foods.

 

I also never eat until I'm hungry. I don't adhere to any clock and often go long periods without eating.

Since those days of 30 odd years ago when I fixed my reflux problem, I can eat anything and I do not have digestion problems.

I also eat lots of raw garlic with most meals.

The only additive in my food is sea salt and turmeric.

I found out that the amount of protein we need is the size of one's palm and that thickness too.

Per DAY, not three times a day LOL.

That we need fat otherwise fat soluble vitamins cann't be processed properly.

Actually, eating fat makes me feel full.

Since I gave up dairy and wheat I feel much better.

My % body fat is getting closer to optimum and no food cravings.

What ever I'm doing is sure working for me and by the sounds of it, your method works well for you.

The point here is that those with dodgy tums may benefit from a spot of exclusion experimentation.

Shall we talk about heavy metal detoxification?

When a body is critically loaded with toxins, it takes but one small straw to break the camels back and it can be any straw......

44 minutes ago, tropo said:

I don't believe your 10,000-year theory. Wheat has been a staple food since the birth of mankind... but we are just basing one theory on another.. which will end up with us discussing the pros and cons of the theory of evolution... don't want to go there..

 

Wheat digests slower than many other starchy foods, therefore it can give erroneous postprandial blood sugar readings (delayed spikes)... but if your intestinal flora are balanced and up to scratch, you should have no problem with it. It's a compromised digestive system that causes the problem. A healthy digestive system can handle wheat and most other foods you throw at it.

 

I've been consuming kefir for 7 years straight, on a daily basis. I no longer have digestive disturbances, which were quite frequent prior to my kefir drinking days. Wheat causes no problems at all.  

Wheat, Hmmmmm.

What strain?

The old original ones are hardly available any more, been bred out.

The manufactures have wheat which has the most glutin, bread rises better etc.

The old low glutein wheat was easier to digest - less glutin.

But as you say, let's not get bogged down in the trivia.

As you say, in a well balanced gut, almost anything goes.

However, if your diet has been more junk than nutrition, then chances are your gut flora is not balanced.

Nor the acid strength etc.

Therefore it would be useful for those of us with dodgy tums to find out if we are wheat intolerant?

Simple, cut out all flour products for a month and keep daily notes on how you feel.

If you feel better, then you know what to do?

Same goes for dairy.

Rice has an affinity with the heavy metal arsenic so that's a possible downside.

Here is an interesting link:

https://www.verywellfit.com/is-rice-gluten-free-562773

In the past (in my late 30's early 40's) I suffered from upset tums, acid reflux and all that.

I was drinking milk of magnesia several times a day for years.

I read up on food combining and ate a protein meal with low carb veggies and no carbs as such or a carb meal with veggies that were low in protein. (it's more complicated than this one liner of course - I read four books on the subject)

In a month I fixed a problem that had been hell for years.

Later I went on a 6 week veggie juice diet, lost loads of fat and improved my health no end.

I just never found a way to make it a lifestyle.

Now eating only when I'm hungry seems to do the job.

Having many hours per day not eating at all is working.

I no longer have a need to nibble constantly.

I feel full!!!!

I'm not constantly thinking about food. Perhaps I have reset some of my hormones, Leptin and Ghrelen as examples?

Some days I hardly eat but others I eat a lot.

My body seems to trust that over a few days, it will be given enough food so it does not seem to have down regulated my metabolic rate.

I have loads of energy, no brain fog, so I'm quite content.

If Kefir works for you, that's excellent news, keep up the good work.

If you are referring to processed white flour products, then I would take issue about the digestion rate for wheat.

I agree that whole wheat with all three parts is slow to digest but if the wheat is refined (white flour) to only provide the endosperm then it digests very quickly.

A kernel of wheat consists of three parts. The bran is the outer covering of the kernel and is high in fiber.

The germ is the innermost portion of the kernel and is high in fat.

The endosperm makes up the bulk of the kernel and is high in proteins and carbohydrates and is what we know as white flour.

1 hour ago, Bonobojt said:

Yesterday started off well, feel much better but after having a shower and drinking water at around 8:00pm, I my tummy felt unwell again, just came out of nowhere. Very strange, could be just the antibiotic side effects, or maybe its the wheat, I ate a lot of bread that day, someone in here said to avoid wheat. 

 

I'll avoid wheat today and see what happens. 

 

There is a protein in wheat called Glutin and it is hard to digest.

In our stomach we have villi which absorb the digested nutrients into the blood stream.

Digested means that the protein peptides are broken into smaller molecules bu the action of enzimes.

The enzymes that "snip" proteins down in size only work in a very acid stomach and here is one problem.

Wheat is a carbohydrate and we chew it a lot which incorporates a lot of saliva and saliva is alcaline, thus diluting any acid that the stomach needs.

There is a nice description of the digestive system:

The vili are like a sea anemone but the villi are covered in a thin cheese cloth.

The cheese cloth has very small holes in it and thus only tiny molecules can pass through and into the blood.

Large, partially digested peptides are dense and can "rip an hole" in the cheese cloth.

This allows larger molecules to pass into the blood.

These large molecules can then attach themselves to various organs and they are alien.

Our immune system sees them and attacks and kills of these "invaders".

This is a correct response, the immune system is doing it's job.

Unfortunately partially digested molecules of all the food you are eating can pass into the blood.

The immune system now becomes sensitive to these "invaders" and starts to destroy them.

Also knocking out some wanted cells from our organs.

Now we have the start of an immune disease.

Allow this process to continue for a number of years and you may have Hasishimoto's thyroid disease or any one of the many immune diseases.

It takes 10's of thousands of years for us to become accustomed to a new food.

Wheat has not really been in the food chain for long enough and it seems that many folk suffer from the effects of partially digested food entering the blood.

We know that someone with celiac disease should never eat wheat, in any form, however, if you are sensitive to glutin, then it would be wise to avoid wheat as well.

Avoid, hmmmmm.

The immune system becomes excited by adjutants such as these large proteins and the heavy metals they use in some vaccines.

Therefore, if one is sensitive to wheat then it must be totally excluded from your diet.

Why, because even after months of exclusion the immune system is still correctly excited and if it sees the same old invaders again, it will ramp up it's sensitivity and start to self destruct organs again.....

Is wheat a food or a drug?

Whole wheat is a food but the highly processed white stuff called flour may be more like a drug.

It has been processed to an amazing extent, had fiber removed, been bleached and heavens knows what else has been added.

Flour is actually turned into blood sugar faster than table sugar.....

Eating sugar releases the feel good hormones in the brains in exactly the same way as drugs like cocaine do.

Therefore, sugars (and flour ends up as a sugar), are extremely addictive.

Giving up bread and products with flour can therefore be somewhat of a challenge.

High Fructose Corn Syrup, a relatively new invention, is many more times sweeter than table sugar, so you would expect that the food manufacturers would use less?

In fact they use more because they know it will cause cravings and they will sell more.

Just look at the advertising of various "foods" that are said to be "Irresistible".

There are many interesting descriptions on the internet.

Here is just one that I saw at random:

http://www.happilyunprocessed.com/the-basics/flour-facts/

As ivr181 said: beware of "snake oil" salesmen (and lucky amulets)!

Do your own research.

The really unfortunate thing today is that even Science cannot now be fully trusted.

Those holding the purse strings and giving grants to do research may also dictate what can be researched and then what if anything can actually be published.

It's a mine field but if we go whole plant based, with some of those plants being uncooked and avoid exotic additives like sauces containing MSG we may fare better than others who rely on maufactured and highly processed food.

Ya pays yer money and ya takes yer chance.....

Remember, these are just my opinions, what you choose to do is up to you.

Good luck.

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30 minutes ago, jakestevernson said:

Laislcia, that was an excellent post and very good advice. I am doing a similar regime to you and I am getting fitter and stronger each week. The variation of food, avoiding simple sugars and limited drinking have helped me to recover. I still have a little bloating each day, but it's nowhere near as bad as it was last year after I got a food bug.

The only independent proven probiotic (in the UK) to survive and get to the gut is Symprove. It's very expensive, but I am using it for the 3 month period. So far it's helping, but in the long term as suggested above, it's about lifestyle change.



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Thanks Jake, good to have a forum where we can share what we are actually doing.

I belong to some others and the ideas I gain have been very supportive.

IMHO, one of the things we tent to overlook is the amount of toxins we are dosed with on an hourly basis.

Pollution in the air, water, food is at unprecedented levels and impossible to avoid.

Additionally, farming methods have resulted in food not having all the nutrients that it should have and used to have.

Thus, we need to think about getting toxins out of our bodies.

An infra red sauna (or sunshine) is a great way to detox.

Even the steam saunas at some Wat's are also OK.

We also need to ensure that we have an Optimum level of vitamins and minerals, trace elements etc.

The RDA values are generally too low, just large enough so you don't get a disease but NOT enough for optimum health!

Vitamin D3, It's actually a hormone and is essential for health. It's oil based so unless you eat enough fat, it cannot be properly utilised.

B vits are water soluble, as is Vit C so they need to be taken in doses divided during the day.

Cholesterol is another confusing item.

If you never ate any cholesterol, your liver would have to convert food into at least 4 grams/day.

Without it you will be sick.

Your brain is largely cholesterol as is the sheath that surrounds your nerves.

I eat eggs, they supply the cholesterol and save my liver some work.

We have been lied to about salt - we need it - if you have low salt your kidneys have to work harder so as not to excrete it!

Magnesium is also vital ( and best absorbed on an empty stomach).

Etc. etc.

As we age, our bodies lose efficiency and many of us are unable to fully absorb vitamins (like B12) so supplementation is a great ides.

I am just airing my views in the hope that some folk will look further into some of these points and by making small lifestyle changes, enjoy a better quality of life.

Wouldn't it be great to be healthy, strong and largely pain free right up to the day you die.

Nutrition, exercise and sleep may help you achieve that goal.

53 minutes ago, mommysboy said:

You're eating sensibly, resting, and exercising; that's the top and tail of it!

 

The single most important thing here is your increased fitness.

 

An averagely good diet would likely give you all the vitamins and minerals you need.

 

You recovered well from a kidney infection because it was properly treated.

 

Imo you shouldn't really skip breakfast, but the mini fasting is a good idea.

 

 

Thanks for your encouragement.

You previously mentioned that portion sizes have gradually increased and this is true.

I observe that we also eat far too frequently.

Our digestive system does not get a chance to unclog!

So it's not only important what you eat and don't eat, but how often we eat.

Breakfast - I'm not hungry so why would I eat  - because the clock says so?

There is a big difference between hunger and appetite.

I just came across some body size measurements that I made in 2012 when I had and used a multigym.

I am almost back to the same measurements again but the striking thing is that my biceps and thighs are considerably smaller now.

I think I have to get the hand weights our and actually use them LOL

6 years ago and I could stand, cross my feet and squat and stand again without any support.

No chance now.... But, hey at 76, what to expect  - use it or lose it!

Got into a relationship in 2012, then married, got lazy......

The sit to rise test can be dangerous if you have health problems.

Here are some solutions and exercises that can prolong your life:

Hi Lungjoe, Something to think about.

Your marriage extension needs to be renewed annually and you can apply 30 days before it expires.

Some Immigration offices let you apply 45 days prior to it's expiry.

Thus, you will always need to be in Thailand at that time to make the application to extend.

Personally, I spend less than half time in Thailand so I organised my ext expiry for the end of April, after Songkran as I always want to be in Thailand then.

So I can apply from the end of March (my Imm Office only allow 30 days).

Actually, I have a retirement ext because it is less hassle for me than the marriage ext which needs two visits to Immigration over two months to get the full year.

The advantage of the marriage ext is that you can get a work permit if you ever need to and it only needs 400,000b in the bank,

I don't need to work so the retirement is easiest for me.

I arrived with a 90 day non Imm O visa near the end of January one year, so after 60 days (end March) I could reapply, job done.

So, if you have to let your ext expire and then start again, just remember that whenever your ext expires is when you need to be in Thailand to reply, or start again.

Best of luck

Read the book, Thailand Fever

Not only will you learn about Thai culture, you may learn some of your own culture.

Read also Private Dancer.

Under no circumstances get into confrontational situations, politely walk away.

Never lose your temper or display rage in any form, anywhere, no matter how right you are or how wrong they were.

Do not use zebra crossings.

Look for and use the pedestrian bridges.

Always ask for the meter to be used Before you get into a taxi.

Remember that Thai's can commit no wrong that a simple Wai and apology can't resolve.

The foreigner is always wrong and will always pay.

The head is revered, the feet are not!

So no pointing with your feet LOL

Apply to the Thai Embassy Paris for a 3 month (90 day) Non Immigration O (ther) visa.

You have a period of grace before you have to use the visa so your travel plans do not have to be written in stone.

Get yourself good health insurance that will continue at reasonable prices as you age.

Arrive in Thailand and travel to your desired destination and rent somewhere for long enough for you to know if the location really suits you long term.

Remember that if you decide to take a trip out of Thailand, your visa will be cancelled as you exit Thailand.

Therefore, you should purchase a re-entry permit (form TM8), (1,000 baht) before you depart, this keeps your visa alive (and/or your permission to stay in Thailand [an extension])

You also need a passport photo for the TM8.

A multi re-entry permit costs 3,800baht so unless you intend to make more than 4 trips during the period of your visa (or extension) it's cheaper to buy a single re-entry permit as and when you need one. It is possible to buy one at Immigration at the international airports but check first.

Locate hospitals and health care facilities, entertainment etc.

Learn about the noise, smell, where you can find foreign food and wine at reasonable prices etc etc.

Learn about VIP buses to travel within Thailand.

30 days before your visa expires (Some Immigration depts allow 45 days before, check) you can apply to Immigration to extend the visa for 1 year as a retiree and it costs 1,900 baht..

You are over 50.

You must show 800,000 Baht in a Thai bank for 60 days continuous before the day you apply

Note that if you decide to stay long term, the proof of funds period becomes 90 days after the first time when it's 60 days.

You must update the bank book on the day you apply and take photocopies of the book.

You must also get a letter from your bank to state that your funds were in the bank at the correct amount and for the correct period.

(Kasikorn Bank charge 100 Baht for the letter)

You will need a completed TM7 form (application for the extension) and a photograph.

I have the retirement ext so I always buy a single re-entry permit when I apply for the extension.

OR:

Contact your embassy and prove to them that you have an offshore income of at least 66,000baht per month.

The embassy may charge you a fee to provide you with a letter to Immigration as proof of funds.

Also remember to make a 90 day report to Immigration for every 90 continuous days in Thailand.

If you decide to rent rather than stay in hotels/guest houses you must report your address to your local immigration.

The first time TM28 and possibly TM30.

When you leave the country and return to the same address a TM 30 bust be given to Immigration.

If you change your location, TM28.

When you stay in hotels/GH's, they make the appropriate reports.

Truthfully, the property owner should make the reports but some don't

If the reports are not made, it is you who will be fined!

So for safety's sake, do the reports yourself.

Good luck.

Hmmmm, Why not make a charge?

It's done in other countries.

As an example, there is an admittance fee of €5 (almost 200 BHT) for the Cathedral's in Almeria and Granada - Spain.

They do include an audio guide though and children under 12 are free.

Every visitor pays, tourist and locals!

Strewth, only 20 Baht (about €0.50)