stephenterry

On 8/16/2019 at 12:33 PM, Loiner said:

We’ve already had all the warnings from every Remainer and his dog, Cameron, Osborne, Carney et al.

So we are still Leaving end of October.

It's all very well to leave - but as I've repeated ad nauseum on here -<deleted> happens next? Has anyone a master plan? Why is a no-deal contrived by Johnson so brilliant?  

 

You think the EU would go away - that the UK doesn't want or need a trade deal with them?  For pete's sake wake up and face reality.

 

Leaving is the first step towards UK economic disaster which would take decades of a non-tory government to make amends for the Brexit catastrophe.  

 

 

24 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Don't be fooled. 

 

There never was a Brexit Plan, there never will be a Brexit Plan.

 

There is an objective, protect tax avoidance and tax evasion of the hyper wealthy, and sod the consequences for everyone else. 

 

Probably self-interest is the be all and end all. Sad, that.  

15 hours ago, Loiner said:

We are way beyond that now. The EU have had three years but are still saying “Non”. They failed with the collaberateur May and her Surrender Treaty but are still recalcitrant even in the face of No Deal.
It’s time to simply Leave No Deal. They can try to come up with something when we are completely extricated from the EU clutches.

I take it there's a great plan in place following a no-deal - or is everyone going to sit twiddling their thumbs and blaming all and sundry for the Uk's demise.

 

For clarity, there are always consequences following an act, and currently there's no solution to resolve those - or none on here, anyway. 

 

 

21 hours ago, grumpy 4680 said:

    Deal or no deal is not the issue, but leaving is.

And then what? Any ideas, moving forward? I am reminded of Alf Garnett who would be quite capable of ridiculing anything and everything from his armchair, but that's as far as it goes.

 

IMO, 'Leaving' as an issue, should have an end result that would benefit the UK. From posters remarks on this forum, the 'benefit' is a No Deal plan.

 

I can't wait...  

21 hours ago, JonnyF said:

Indeed, I don't think any Brexiteers expect the same deal after we left. It's simply a strawman argument that Remainers put forward to justify their 'unicorn' analogy. Same as they claim it was all about immigration, more nonsense.

 

Every Brexiteer I know accepts there will be short term disruption and dealing with the EU will be more difficult. However, the benefits of leaving far outweigh the disadvantages. 

 

They attack the straw man because they cannot refute our real reasons for wanting to leave. Quite sad really.

 

 

It is very clear from the UK government's own reports that there would be long-term damage to the UK economy, businesses and jobs, and at least months of continuous disruption following Brexit that would adversely affect most households. To assume otherwise is just not the reality.

 

I can only think of one long-term benefit - unfortunately hoped-for trade deals would take several years to implement. And if it not realised, any prospective produce deals with the USA are fraught with endangering UK health statistics even further than present, owing to the fact that the 'US diet' and health stats are among the world's worst. The EU and UK are 'nutritionally' light years ahead of the USA in this respect, ensuring the banning of many toxic animal chemicals, hormone, and plant pesticides that are permitted for use in the USA. 

 

You have been warned.

 

 

 

 

21 hours ago, JonnyF said:

 

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/mar/29/third-vote-on-may-deal-exposes-splits-among-tory-brexiters

 

 

 

Yes, I stand corrected, JF. However, both Johnson and Raab who voted for the deal, soon backtracked to support a no-deal if it comes to that on 31st October. Whether Rees-Mogg would support them, we'll have to wait and see.

 

But the lesson to learn from this is who could trust this bunch of self-interest Tory MPs to follow through with any promises they make?  Without sacrificing the UK in the process, that is?

 

 

2 minutes ago, thirdleg said:

I've read it many times, hardly mentions anything about borders.

 

What does the Good Friday Agreement say about a hard border?

A lot less than you might think. The only place in which it alludes to infrastructure at the border is in the section on security.

During the Troubles there were heavily fortified army barracks, police stations and watchtowers along the border. They were frequently attacked by Republican paramilitaries.

Part of the peace deal involved the UK government agreeing to a process of removing those installations in what became known as "demilitarisation".

The agreement states that "the development of a peaceful environment... can and should mean a normalisation of security arrangements and practices."

The government committed to "as early a return as possible to normal security arrangements in Northern Ireland, consistent with the level of threat".

That included "the removal of security installations". That is as far as the text goes.

Try reading the section regarding 'freedom of movement'. That is a Brexit effect.

 

To further state that Brexit won't affect the GFA is complete rubbish, as is any other assertion regarding the non-impact of Brexit on anywhere within the UK - consequences following ANY Brexit action - as you have already identified relating to security arrangements in Ireland.

 

Hopefully the Brexit impact will not give rise to civil war breaking out - but it only needs a misunderstanding, e.g. a border clash, to light the fuse.

 

To think otherwise is not thinking at all.  

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

23 minutes ago, Jip99 said:

 

 

You do post some nonsense - and never answer a question.

 

 

You must be a remoaner.

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ROCAMBOLESQUE

2 hours ago, Laughing Gravy said:

We are still waiting for your reasons on why the EU is so great and why we should remain shackled to it.

Yeah, I reckon the EU should be shackled to the UK, and add the USA and China as well. Perhaps then the Great British Empire with a renovated fishing boat fleet could colonise the whole globe while it goes seeking chlorinated chicken trade deals with the Falklands and Greenland - oh, shucks, I forgot that Scotland won't be with us or providing North Sea gas any more, and naturally Ireland would be busy engaging in civil warfare when Johnson fails to honour the Good Friday agreement. 

 

Yeah, can't wait...

 

 

BTW - the above is ROCAMBOLESQUE

 

 

 

 

1 minute ago, WaveHunter said:

I agree, when a scale reports your BF% as 10% on one day, and then 14% the next day, isn't that enough to know they don't work?  I wish they were telling the truth though.  If so, all I need to do to be at 10% is go on a long, sweaty run or bike ride.  It sure is a quick way to lose 4% body fat, and I don't even have to go on a diet to do it LOL!

Yeah, seems like Nutrition advice from book-writing gurus - a complete minefield of conflicting -and often inaccurate/incomplete - information. 

 

I won't delve into detail here, but eating peanuts  - or not - is blessed with advisors jumping on one bandwagon instead of unravelling the complex rationale of 'the pros and cons'.

 

One clue - don't eat any peanut product if you have an allergic reaction to them, even just by being in the same vicinity - for the very sound reason that they could kill you... 

 

But there's a hell lot more to consider, and not all is bad. 

3 minutes ago, robblok said:

Steve,

 

If it worked like that that the incorrect date kept being incorrect by a certain amount it would not be a problem. But that is not the case. Do you see how I have 2 different body fats in a week at the same weight ? or how I have a lower bodyfat at a higher weight. I could live with the same inconsistency. 

 

I lost 7 kg but the scales only show a 2% drop in fat percentage... it just does not work. I know my body quite well and a 7kg loss should be 7% down.. if I lost muscle I would know from not being able to lift what i lifted before. 

 

I am not even sure they are good for an average person, did you even read the link i provided. I just get frustrated when people think they know something and portrait it as the truth while its been proven to be totally wrong. 

Oh well. I have downloaded the Flat Belly cheat sheet from your link. Is that worthwhile following?

4 minutes ago, robblok said:

I was talking about the scales of 100 to 200$  they are completely useless. I have done extensive research and obviously you did not. You have no idea how these things are made.

 

You should read more about the topic before you attack me. I might have a certain posting style but I do know what I am talking about.

 

A Dexa scan is a real scan that really works. These other machines are different all they do is send an electric current through the body (nothing more then that). Then depending on what the reading is look that reading up in a tabel based on your age and height (otherwise you would never have to imput that). These tables are filled with date that was gotten from doing Dexa scans on average people (not athletes). So what these machines do is not really checking what YOUR body fat is but what it it is on for other people who had a Dexa scan and make a reading from it. 

 

Look at it like this they do a dexa scan of 10 people who weigh 92 kg and are 180 cm and have a certain body fat. They then look what the scales with the current would give and then assume your the same as those people. That is all ok if your Joe average but not if your an athlete or just different from the norm. 

 

The only thing that is different for the real expensive ones is that they have a better table as its based on more currents through different parts of the body. 

 

I am just frustrated with those scales as they are a scam for athletes and people who are not average. 

 

Dexa scan that is gold standard.. so is the bod pod or hydrostatic measuring. The rest is just guessing. Sorry to burst the bubble of people.

 

Just look at my readings for instance how at the same body weight during a week it gives different bodyfat percentages. This was a 200$ scales. My bodyfat is a lot lower given that i got visible abs. 

 

Its sometimes a bit frustrating to explain things to people who have less experience.

 

https://muscleevo.net/body-fat-scales/

 

just ask @WaveHunter

I responded on purpose, because I anticipated you'd react exactly as I forecast. Sorry about that. 

 

Start at your third paragraph - it's a far better response approach. And thank you for your really informative explanation - I shall of course absorb the detail, and perhaps test it out.

 

BTW - as an observation, your test results -even if incorrect - are in a similar ball-court, so for a person like me who is an average person, the results could be meaningful, measured on a month by month basis.

 

Something I could work on by following your weight-training advice.  

 

take it easy,

steve.

2 hours ago, robblok said:

Your sorely mistaken, but that is your right. I have tried many of them and so have friends of mine who are bodybuilders. I can tell you with certainty that the scales are absolute crap. I use the Fitbit scales and some Chinese scales. Both 100% sure use tables. Maybe the ones in health clubs if they are 2000-3000$ will do a better job. I am talking about scales from 100-200$ dollar.

 

Now there is a dexa scan available in Bangkok and I am getting tempted to use them. I do know that the scales I use now are absolutely useless. 

 

And yes they are tested against dexa.. but that still means they use tables gotten from dexa scans they dont perform the same. But like you said maybe the expensive 2000-3000$ dollar ones are differen. In BKK now you can get a real DEXA scan for around 7000bt. 

Robblock, please take time out to read and absorb Downtoearth's COMPLETE post before jumping in with an adverse comment as your first sentence - then later modifying it to acknowledge he could have a sound explanation. 

 

While it maybe your approach towards posting, it's not respectful even if you add it's his (or my) right. Sometimes it's best to take your foot off the pedal and absorb the content first and then proceed slowly.

 

For example, I could say you're sorely mistaken, what do bodybuilders know about the the more expensive versions of Dexa scanning, but that is your right? Wouldn't MY initial approach rile you? 

 

steve.

 

 

 

On 8/10/2019 at 1:10 PM, zlodnick said:

 Like Xylophone, I also have slow motility and constipation. It is recommended to eat a low fiber diet for slow motility and a high fiber diet for constipation. I've tried both and didn't notice a difference.

 

 I don't want to get hooked on laxatives, so I seldom use them. Prune juice has worked very well for me. Last night I took milk of magnesia, and this morning not so much as a fart. So, I drank a large glass of prune juice and 5 minutes later I was on the toilet. 

 

 Prune juice is the only thing keeping me going right now, but I really would like to figure out what I need to get my system somewhere near normal.

“Let food be thy medicine, and let medicine be thy food.” Attributed to Hippocrates.

 

I would suggest it's a suck it and see process, as nutrition is not an exact science. Doctors, nowadays treat symptoms, but rarely the cause - that's if it could be readily identified by any overworked practitioner who is daily bombarded by the pharma industry drugs and latest meds info. 

 

To start figuring out what your system needs, try this. As a current analogy, picture a slot machine as your body. One bad strawberry lines up and that's not an issue, two line up and it's still ok, but when three line up, it's time to act.

 

One bad strawberry could be your DNA environment, and one could be illness or infection - not a lot you can do to change these apart from taking meds like laxatives to relieve the symptoms. However, the one bad strawberry you can control and change is your lifestyle and nutrition regime.

 

You would be best placed to determine how to go about it. Positives seem to be regular exercise which could benefit your 'stagnant' condition, and a much more varied diet than favouring e.g. pizza and pasta - that's if you do. 

 

The Hippocrates diet follows a mainly 'uncooked' regime, which may or may not be conducive to your condition. Certainly, it is recognised by (most) all nutritionists that high sugar content, e.g. in soft drinks, and prepackaged foods (in general) are not conducive to good health. Blame the food and drink industry.

 

And it won't be just one item like prune juice that makes a long-lasting difference - not a one size fits all. The current thinking is that a complete DAILY nutrition package could contain (say) up to 30 different items - as is practised by traditional rural Japanese, for example - because it's the combination of different nutrients that's needed to cure (differing) bodily malfunctions.  

 

Or it may not.

 

If your doctor agrees  - it is important to gain his/her approval - there's no harm in eating healthy fresh foods - but these below are foods to generally avoid or limit:

 

1. Limited red meats, fish and poultry; avoid battery farm eggs; Avoid all pasteurized milk and cheeses; luncheon meats; meat analogs.   

 

2. Limit most wheat products and processed grains; avoid white rice; noodles, wheat pasta; granola with sugar; baked goods containing refined oils; sugar; refined flour; additives.

 

3. Oils except sesame, olive and coconut; pasteurized butter or cream; all foods containing or cooked in other oils, like palm oil. Note that olive oil is best used at low cooking temperatures, not so coconut oil.

 

4. Irradiated vegetables; canned; overcooked with sugar and/or salt; stale or wilted.

 

5. Fruits canned or preserved with chemicals and added sugar.

 

6. Artificially sweetened fruit drinks, and limit 'natural' fruit juices, but not fresh fruit  

 

7. Junk food snacks; commercial “health” food snacks; sweets and candies.

 

8. Products containing additives, including: sugar, cane syrup, dextrose (glucose), fructose, monosodium glutamate (MSG), colouring, and preservatives.

 

Apologies for seemingly offering nutritional advice that you might not need or heed, and by all means junk my post. Best of luck going forward on your quest to get your system back to near normal.

 

Steve.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

31 minutes ago, Handsome Gardener said:

Thanks for the concern but having spent a career in related areas I'm unlikely to need it. We are the 5th largest NOW - absolutely irrelevant once November 1st gets here. 

 

So 1 trillion gone from London isn't self harm ?

 

2.1 billion on Brexit leaflets isn't self harm ?

 

Chucking away every trade deal in its current form with the largest trading block in the world isn't self harm ?

 

Having absolutely zilch trade deals lined up isn't self harm ?

 

Could list so so many more - yet bizarrely brexiteers can' come up with any specifics for the new dawn.

 

Of course the UK isn't going to close down - but once the rest of the world has stopped laughing at us we're going to be in a far worse place. 

 

It is death by a thousand cuts.

 

 

Of course we're going to be in a worse place. That's a given. What's not known is how much of a hole and how long it would take to climb out of it.

 

As to trade deals, while I agree this is the current reality - and probably would continue for the next five years minimum - there has been recent government economic stats to demonstrate that had we been trading freely outside the EU's restrictions in the last few years, our GDP would have grown faster than any EU country, even Germany.

 

It's my opinion, if there's any consolation in exiting the EU, it's the prospect of at least one economic forecast being positive, albeit how long it takes would depend on leavers getting off their backsides and doing something beneficial in bringing the UK back on its feet, instead of blaming the EU and remainers ad infinitum for what was caused by their referendum vote. 

 

15 hours ago, Loiner said:

Love it. The Remainers who claim that Brexiteers can’t agree on how to Leave, now can’t agree about how their financial suicide should come.

Financial suicide of Johnson's no-deal scenario, caused by leaver voters, you mean.   About time you got your head straight.

13 hours ago, brokenbone said:

disagree, i think a steady supply of protein

is going to give the guy that ate protein daily

a better muscle to fat ratio.

i also think an over consumption of

rice at the cost of meat, as is common in asia cuisine, is a cause of diabetes

 

I think the western world overestimates the amount of protein needed in a nutritious diet, particularly because plant and nut protein is readily available and is usually plenty to meet daily needs and is a healthy lifestyle. Meat and fish can bolster up protein intake if needed - and/or if you enjoy eating it. 

 

As for rice V meat, the main cause of type 2 diabetes (in any country) is the increased consumption of sugar and sugar-filled packaged products, NOT rice, per se - and recent increased rates of type 2 diabetes in Asian countries is probably caused by mimicking unhealthy western food styles.   

 

Blame Coca-Cola, Pepsi, McDonalds and Pizza hut...