uncletom

As I stated in my last post before. They would like/prefer you to go on the day they stamped in you passport, but it is not damned if you don't and you cannot because the sky will fall. It is best to go on that stamped day, but if for some particular reason you are in a jam and need to go before, you can do it.

In the past I have went a couple/few days before hand (twice out of necessity) to the immigration office to see if my visa had been cleared. They will always put a 30 day come back to see us stamp in the passport as their standard protocol procedure. I would not think that everything runs like true clock work with the Thai immigration, and their timing can run on either side of the 30 day given time. One thing I will say is that a full week of time before the stamped date would be pushing it, but then again all I can surely contest to is a few before days as I stated.

Today it was easier than before to extend for a Non-O based on children. Don't get me wrong, one step out of line or not having the paper work, and it would have been hel_l and maybe all over. The main officer for accepting th appication is a woman, a hard core to the point woman; but she really has compassion in an odd way, as LONG as we don't make her life too rough.

We did not even say more than 3 words to her, and she prefers it this way (same as last year), but in the interim, she was running the entire boat from retirements - marriage - my child support with all of her associates. She had her associate officers tear quite a few new rear-end holes for people who went in there unprepared. I have never seen them so hard on people before and this was a WOW/Jesus for sure to hear and see.

All in all, it was a good experience for me, and rather quick. Of course she did I have been asking about on this formum recently.

Have a good day.

Uncletom

Yes Mario, you are correct that I will extend on the basis of Thai child. The income comes f4rom the outside but i want to show them a letter from the bank; it is the same as last years filing.

As for the original reason for doing it; this was an odd ball last minute request from the immigration officer last year, but it did seem to satisfy their needs a little more since the extension is based on a Thai child. Basically, if they say jump, I say, well I am getting older, but how high?

As for the capitol letters. When I started my post, and then finally looked up, I said, oh darn, and then kept on writing in the same fashion.

Yes I do understand that capitol letters can be offensive when used in the offensive manner. I am an investor in a company in the US, and the CEO has a crap habit of expressing his distaste and feelings this way. I don't think i have ever seen a letter from him that does not have it, and yes, it down right sucks to read it or be the butt of it. On my part was innocent, but they can be used in an appropriate manner too.

thanks.

TODAY I WILL GO GET THE BANK LETTER FOR AN EXTENSION FOR A NON-O.

SO, IN ORDER TO HAVE IT ALL STRAIGHT AND LEAVE ABSOLUTELY NO CONFUSION FOR THE BANK EMPLOYEE, WHAT EXACTLY DOES THE BANK NEED TO WRITE FOR A NON-O EXTENSION LETTER? THIS WOULD BE WRITTEN FOR THE 40K PER MONTH.

THANKS

UNCLETOM

I usually have the following ready and produce as requested. Many people think it's over the top and way far too much, but better safe than sorry. Why go all the way back home when you can just open your briefcase and produce it there and then?

TM7 application form & photo

B1,900 fee

Passport & Arrival Card (TM6)

Signed copy of passport & TM6

90 days report slips (if any)

Marriage certificate

Signed copy of marriage cert

Tabien Baan

Signed copy of Tabien Baan

Wife's ID card

Signed copy of ID card

Wife’s passport data page

Signed copy of wife’s passport

Bank letter (dated day of application or 1 day before is OK)

Savings book

Signed copy of savings book

ATM receipt (dated day of application)

Signed map of address

Photos of house/wedding

If you can produce all these, you're OK!!

I would like to address the ATM receipt.. When did this come into play? not that it is a big deal, but when????

Thnx

Uncletom

Occasionaly living here we will get a startle. I remember seeing one those spiders the first time I came here 18 years ago in Patpong. dam_n fast too. But since then I have killed alot, and it seems they are more in the get the out of there than wanting to bite you. Got bit by a centipede in Pattaya about 8 years ago, now this one hurts and literlly made my hand into a sausage. When I see Thai people see a snake it is not so much of a startle to them, but when you see a Thai person see a centipede, they jump out of the way like holy hel_l. Snakes are easier to kill than centipedes, those little bastards just don't die! Go to Bali if you want to get freaked out by spiders. they are literally nesting everywhere, on the power cables in rooms and fricken huge too. Freaky for sure.

I do have reservations about the uniforms, but only when gratoey unviversity students wear them, and then it makes me want to totally vomit launch. Now that is totally out of line and getting out of control and they have peckers. Actually, they are the ones who cause accidents, reason being is that when you see them you whip your head the other way in order not to see them, and thus, an accident.

As for disproportioned women, they generally behave and know how to where what they have going.

I love the different colors of the bras showing through the skimpy shirt, and the minimini skirt is a plus too, and I am sure every normal male thai or other will pretty much state the same, and if they don't, the they are full of crap.

Ok. I take it that either no one has had an extension based on that criteria or there hasn't been anyone who has that read my post.

So, getting to the next question, who in Thailand has recently had an extension based on that criteria, under 50, not married, child support?, and for the record, please state from where.

Thank you.

Uncletom

Just curious to know. FMI (For My Information)

Has anyone recently or semi recently been granted a non O 1 year extension in Chiang Mai based on; under 50, not married, support of a child ???

Has anyone been denied?

Thanx

Just want to keep up on things. Is it for sure that it has to be legal custody given by the court, or will an Amphur letter from many years ago do the same because it is grandfathered and has been submii\tted repeatedly? Getting a new one for another kid would have to be from the court or can it come from the Amphur like her/his brother's/sister's did some many years ago?

Uncletom

It was said by some poster that Immigration offices can do all extentions, but this is truly up to each and every offices own discretion. As I have recently written before, the CM office has a notice that reads only Extensions for Marriage or Retirement can be made or will be accpeted, thus eliminationg by their choice the Support of a Family member or child, REGARDLESS of the immigration law in effect.

Does leave things a little sticky if one cannot go elsewhere to another office to get the extension one requires.

Uncletom.You are the only one that has written that.

Are you sure you are not quoting it out of context.

What about extensions based upon employment. I don't think everbody in CM that needs an extension is going somewhere else.

From my most recent EXPERIENCES AND LEARNINGS at the CM immi (one of so so many over the years), no I am not taking it out of context. The sign says what the sign says to retard people from making an application for support. My immigration officer bent over backwords for us at the time, but all the meantime was complaining (IN THAI) about the amount of paper work and hours of wasted time she had to go and sift through. They simply don't appreciate one applicant taking up 2-3 hours of time, even 1 full hour, period. So this is why they have put the sign up, because 1- 2-3 hours for one person while 25 more are waiting hours to submit their application of extension for all other reasons except support. It is literally impossible for them to get to all the peopl who have signed in the registry. The most common extensions for the biggest moral majority of foreingers in CM are for retirement and marriage. There are so many old folks up here that on first sight you would think CM is a wordly geriaitrics center. Everyone I have spoken to and have seen in CM submitting the over 30 - 360 day applications of extension are for either retirement or marriage, but in years past this was different.. Yes other extensions can and will be processed, but not the support one if they can do anything to stop it. The employment extensions are not in a great majority and not a big concern for them, because people are not lining up in droves one after the other for these, and the paper work still isn't as huge or draining as the paper work required for support.

I dig pretty deep to get authentic answers, either by asking or by listening to what is said to me or around me being in either English or in Thai. I usually don't miss much when I am there, ALL EARS.

Other places are different, but I am plainly speaking about support extensions for CM....

Uncletom

I just had been through a 4 month waiting period to finally have my extension for support approved. I have been through this many many of years and times for this kind of extension, but never waited over the original 30 day come back period.. Everytime I was instructed to come-back every 30 days to check for the results, and then clearly given a new immigration 30 day come back under consideration stamp (LEGAL and SAFE). Legal is the stamp in your book, true documentation is the correct way instead of hearsay which could turn out to be a thorn in your side, or after being caught, someones rocket in your through your back pocket when you bend over staying behind bars. Just joking about the rocket part!!!

Uncletom

It was said by some poster that Immigration offices can do all extentions, but this is truly up to each and every offices own discretion. As I have recently written before, the CM office has a notice that reads only Extensions for Marriage or Retirement can be made or will be accpeted, thus eliminationg by their choice the Support of a Family member or child, REGARDLESS of the immigration law in effect.

Does leave things a little sticky if one cannot go elsewhere to another office to get the extension one requires.

Uncletom.

One of the requirments asked for by the CM Immigration was show the money. No show and for sure a rejection would have been given. But as usual from what is commonly experienced and heard, is that each immigration, consulate and Embassy make and call their own shots regardless of the lactual laws in motion.

Uncletom

Question.

But don't you think that they at the immigration offices they actually record your show up and when you will need to show up for your next 90 day check in? How much is it each day or as stated in another post, is it really only a 2000 baht slap on the wallet? Technically speaking, if you don't show up, it is an overstay, but then again, I haven't fouled up yet.

Uncletom

It was at CM Immigration. Also 4 months ago the immigration officer had also mentioned that the the documents we get from the Ampur office stating that this/they is/are really our kid(s) is/are not acceptable anymore and that a court mandated paper is now the norm for acceptance. How could this be I thought, being that an official Ampur Thailand office decree document intact with an official Ampur stamp is not acceptable leaves me a lot to think about while scatching my head. To get that paper at the Ampur is not easy because they take your kid behind the lines, make him/her write their name, and then ask the kid personal family relationship questions pertaining to the Dad, Dad's life, and life with Dad, and then the final 99 milion dollar question, where is your Dad, point to him..

Yes, I do believe that if I went back next year and pushed for the same extension I would get it because I have gotten it many many times before, but in my thinking I most certainly would hear a little fussing come to me an my unofficial wife's ears again too.

Uncletom

Just to report.

After 3 under consideration stamps and 5 trips to the immigration (not including the 90 check ins), 4 months later my non-o extension, originally submitted under the child support visa, was approved. Of course since I had to come back every month for 4 months, the visa has only an 8 month period left on it, but it does total one year. I understand the hold up (their on purpose) because I remember the immigration officer complaining about the piles of copies and 1 and 1/2 hours spent on doing my paper work and application, while saying in Thai out the side of her mouth, that this is going to take up to 6 months of coming back repeatedly to become final. Well only 4, she fibbed. But what she was telling me in a non direct way, is to forget about the support visa and get officially married, and the hold up was her way of schooling me in an indirect way.

I have to thank them for giving me the visa, I really am happy and appreciative of it, and now I will be moving towards the way they prefer. i can take a hint and not a problem!

Also there is a sign saying that all people need to respectively go to their immigration office nearest their home only, and that the extensioins are for married and retirement only. No mention of child support and this is dates January 15, 2009.

Sums it up. Yes, maybe the child support clause is back into effect, but they don't want to touch the paper work invloved with it, and it looks like they are refusing to even acknowledge it at all.

Anyone else trying, good luck. Tis not easy, but can be done...

Uncletom

Shouldn't it be a total of 40,000 baht total? I don't think it is 40,000 baht on hand but 40,000 baht income is it not? Or are they bending the rules for their pleasure?

Uncletom

Yes but with a re-entry permit.

Uncletom

Well my son will be coming on 8 years old in March well in line with the 7 years old rule and my daughter 6. My son was 4 and a half when he answered questions and wrote his name at the Ampur office. This paper document had been fully accepted before, but for some reason the immigration officer had to say something about it this time. Yes it was accepted this time, but with a lecture. Yes I am unofficially married but the next step depending on what is needed may change that. Also the immigration officer wasn't too overwhelmingly happy with the amount of paper work she had to go through which corresponds with a support extension. This year took the cake for paper work, and hopefully this will revert back to the times before when there was not so much.. They even asked for a copy of my last old passport which goes back a hel_l of a long time. thgey wanted every page in it that had a Thailand stamp in addition to all the pages in my new (OLD) passport.. Luckily they did not ask for the one before the last one!!! All in all it was a good amount of paper work that the officer had to stamp and sign and I can see where her gripes came from. Having to stamp and write on all the paper work might just give her carpal tunnel syndrom

My daughter has not been to the Ampur office, but I want to make this happen too if the rules fully revert back to the easyier days. Anyway it goes I will adapt but I usually always have a good experience at any immigration office.

Uncletom

I am still waiting for my approval, but the immigration lady had stated to me that the Ampur document for who is the Daddy papers has changed and now they only will accept an officially court granted paper. Anyone run into this problem yet? I sure would hate to have to go through the process of having to do this for next year, time consuming and spendy. Anyway the immigration officer accepted the documents and sent the file to BKK for approval. But this week will be 3 months of under concideration and what is what.

Uncletom

I am still under consideration. On the 22nd of this month will now make month 3. When asked they just said, I don't know come back again in a month, we don't know anything. My guess is that for some people they just held the process up until the new regs came into effect to help them. Before it was only 30 days with a yes.

Uncletom

All the Best Wishes to the world's most Amazing King, His Majesty King Bhumibol Adulyadej.

Happy B-Day and many more.

Uncletom

FYGI (For your general information) to bring you up to speed. Anotheruser, looks like this hit a point with you too and you are more or less guilty of having infractions. But on this general topis section, it is totally fine to write and do all that one wants, and there are no infractions for this general talk section is an ordinary normal open chat section ranging from about FCK ALL to something that maybe interesting and relevant to know...

This thread (MY THREAD) was originanlly posted in the Visa's column and had absolutely nothing to do about the people posting in this section. The thread was moved to this general section and this is where things became mis-construed.

Now if you take it in this new light, not putting the light up to one of our ears trying to see if you can see it come out the other, then you will understand where I was coming from.

Uncletom