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One can only imagine how life would be if everyone wore masks all the time. Even casual observations show that mask wearing was extremely pervasive in China, yet the dread still circulated freely. IMO, washing hands, cleaning public "surfaces" such as handrails, etc and the alcohol gel has done more than masks; but only an opinion. Another observation is that if you are tested, why the worry?  Are the vaxxed passing the dread?  Too many unanswered questions [I'm not going to type the entire list, as it's too long.]

18 hours ago, Kadilo said:

So much focus on something that predominately kills the very old

Any official numbers of "C" deaths? Wondering how that figure compares with the article's figures? At 73, recovered, there is the strong impression, that there does seem to be more panic [worldwide] than is warranted.  I only know one 85 year-old, family member that died from "C"...and he was plagued by multiple health issues.

On 12/7/2021 at 10:32 AM, Sheryl said:

 

COVID insurance options for people already resident in Thailand are pretty limited as many insurers have stopped issuing them.

Understandable..what insurance company wants to cover a bill for a payout they know will happen? Especially since ignoring the science of "vaccines" seems to be "the procedure", for people who aren't "sick" !  Why all the endless testing, masking and quarantines for "vaccinated people"? It's not just 'TIT', but much of the world has gone illogical, while the areas that have not,are no worse off.

On 12/3/2021 at 6:58 AM, Bluespunk said:

Pro slavery fanatics who shoot presidents in the back of the head?
 

Don’t think so…

Fanatics always virtue signal.  They seem to desire every other human to think the way they do.  Not just on this particular subject, but virtually every issue. Almost as if rational, logical discussion is anathema. Add to this, that, environmentalist activists of every stripe have committed violence against their fellow humans. And then there is the aspect of hypocrisy, in the number of activists that think nothing of aborting a baby, while spouting condemnation of using leather.

17 hours ago, cdemundo said:

I was referring to the idea that viruses "typically become more transmissible and less dangerous."

Which would be great news.

 

Since you didn't provide a reference I did a quick search.

Apparently, this is not quite true.

 

https://apnews.com/article/fact-checking-011488089270

 

[But in fact, there have been cases of viruses that mutated to become more deadly.

“That claim as a whole is just nonsense,” said Troy Day, a professor of mathematics and biology at Queen’s University in Canada, who has studied the ways infectious diseases, including coronavirus, can evolve.

Some examples of viruses that became more deadly over time includethose that developed drug resistant variants, and animal viruses such as bird flu, which were harmless to humans initially but then mutated to become capable of killing people, according to Dr. Amesh Adalja, a senior scholar at Johns Hopkins University’s Center for Health Security.

“Flu viruses have developed resistance to certain antivirals that make them more difficult to treat, and therefore make them more deadly,” Adalja said, also noting the same has happened with HIV and certain Hepatitis C strains.

...

“Becoming more transmissible and less lethal are absolutely what’s best for the pathogen,” said Day. “But the problem is that it’s not always possible, and in many instances is never possible, to be more transmissible and also less lethal.”]

 

So in theory the optimum for the virus to proliferate is to let the host live and for the virus to become more transmissible. But the selection process acts on the variations in the population, and the variation is a result of random mutation (random with respect to benefit to the virus) so the optimum variants may not (may never) occur.

 

 

"may never". Key words. In most cases, viruses behave as I posted. Good for you, doing your own research.  Demanding that others do your research, is a way of 'disagreeing'. The vast amounts of data available from virologists, epidemiologists, and government-funded health institutes, agree on the general behavior of viruses.  I also note that, "most" research indicates that natural immunity from infections, results in greater protection by our immune system.  E.g. more protection from "variants".  

On 11/30/2021 at 1:52 PM, cdemundo said:

 

I didn't know this, do you have some references?

I read about the field hospitals on ASEAN a few days ago.  WHO, NIH, CDC and doctors in Europe and S.A. [and other epidemiologists] have been stating facts about viral behaviors for months. Most reliable info says (there is a lot) that there will be more and more varieties and "so far" the "behavior of this virus is following the typical."

21 hours ago, HappyExpat57 said:

we're going to have viruses and variants the rest of our lives.

Didn't everyone know that a "new variant" would be "announced? I'm really surprised at the disconnect between "WHO's Fears" and reality. Haven't all the{Thai} "emergency field hospitals" closed?. Didn't I hear multiple scientists and doctors state publicly, the same information that is common to virus 'behavior?  "They become less dangerous and more transmissible." I also heard on multiple media that "most people seem to have little or no symptoms....if ANY". The entire "virus emergency" seems more like an experiment in some kind of 'global control' of travel, public gatherings, and compliance - but I've been told that is "conspiracy theory".  There are some basic facts that may be useful for allaying "fears".  They are: death rates, recovery rates, comparisons to other lung disease and immunity after natural infection/recovery...hardly a conspiracy.

16 hours ago, pattjock said:

What about all the Thai people not wearing masks?

Absurd to open restaurants and have useless mask rules.  Not logical.  Masks should be for sick people.

On 11/15/2021 at 12:56 PM, ubonjoe said:

Bangkok Bank will do a one year bank statement. It takes about a week to get it for a fee of 200 baht.

I have gotten 3 of them and used them for my extensions.

Some branches are reluctant to print these.  I had quite a time getting one from the Maejo branch and went to the Rim Ping Mee Chok branch - got one in about 1 hour. Really all it was, was a bank letterhead, with the deposits for 12 months, signed by the manager. They told me to give Maejo's branch their phone number/name and they did straighten out this reluctance - so this year, Maejo had no problem with my "statement".  Also had the 1 year "printout" but I O, hardly glanced at it.

On 11/15/2021 at 1:31 PM, david555 said:

more like Hippos i guess....

Nah, more like whale

Just a delay of the inevitable, endemic virus; targeting a low-risk population.

On 11/10/2021 at 8:22 AM, Bkk Brian said:

new normal travel

Why not for every communicable disease, then?  Like the ones that have a higher death rate? All data shows that this doesn't add up.

Surely this will bring tourists....

Anyone heard of the Johnson & Johnson, single - dose vaccine being given or becoming available in Thailand?

On 10/15/2021 at 3:39 AM, JCP108 said:

So, "no quarantine" means one to two days of quarantine and the COE remains but with a name change. 

Why wasn't this type of action done in the first place? (I realize that tests weren't rapid in Jan. 2020)  None of the isolation attempts seem to have done anything but delay the inevitable.  As soon as rapid tests became available, this would have save many businesses in Thailand.

19 hours ago, Sheryl said:

hey reduce both the risk of getting infection

IMO, and from every bit of data, I've read, no vaccine of any kind, for any disease, prevents infection. Exposure to viruses and bacterial is a part of life and only isolation scenarios could prevent exposure. And then of course, the moment those cease, exposure is again a part of life. Vaccines of the traditional or killed type, simply give your immune system a head - start on infection.  IMO and it's only my opinion, there is not enough data to speculate about the mRNA drugs.  My daughter, (a nurse) was fully vaccinated and still became infected, along with my 4 year-old grandson (not vaccinated) He tested positive but his natural immune system, kept him from any symptoms that would have been obvious in any strep, flu or common- cold (if that is even a thing any longer) A slight temperature and a positive test! My daughter was ill for 3 days. Another very close friend (73 years old) working in the medical (physical therapy) field, unvaccinated, tested twice a week, felt slightly off and tested positive. 3 or 4 day recovery and then decided to get vaccinated. I will be curious to know how his later, twice weekly testing goes. My own personal experience; late Dec. early Jan. of 2019 in Chiang Mai, had contact on a weekly basis, with people from mainland China, (all of them wore masks at this time!) I became ill with the published symptoms but quickly recovered - the chest pain and shortness of breath was not fun and had residual phlegm for months. Shortly after Jan 2020, the world learned about the virus. This is only my opinion and personal experience, but I would trust a traditional vaccine ( such as the Johnson & Johnson or Sinovac before an mRNA. The freedom to choose is valuable.

I did mine in Chiang Mai on the day of the  year's expiration. My "consideration stamp" required me to return in 45 days for the real extension stamp.

In the past, I have done the extension process 30 days early. 

22 hours ago, IAMHERE said:

The PCR testing is not interpreted correctly is my opinion. I didn't have Covid,

From what I've read, a human can test positive 'because of the general nature of the "test". It may even be an different virus!  My close friend (of 25 years) not vaccinated with anything except a yearly influenza" shot, tested positive, felt very minor symptoms for 3 DAYS,, after his quarantine. he decided on an mRNA "vaccine". So far, he has not "tested positive" ( his medical field job required 2 tests per week) Did he have covid, or another virus? No lab test was administered (where a sample is cultured and then identified - most people do not get that one) So, we are actually going by symptoms, and an unreliable test or at least a hit or miss test. Then these figures are used to set policies.  I suspect that most people have already had covid 19 (going by symptoms). Covid also seems to follow (again, according to what I've read) the standard "more infectious/less lethal", direction of this type of virus.

10 hours ago, Jingthing said:

You're  missing my point.

The question was why are we getting announcements that everyone will be infected when many of the exposures don't lead to infection.

IMO, the post doesn't "miss your point".  The answer was specific and accurate. Announcements by various medical experts, may or may not be the answer and seem colored by different biases - possibly according to financial reasons.  Very few viruses, exhibit no "symptoms" in the body (as far as I've read) Most of the "flu or cold" types, cause only a slight "off" feeling" such as itchy eyes, or a "glassy" look to the eye - as many of us have observed in children. Asymptomatic is a bit vague IMO, since this is nearly always describing the infected person's "feelings" and not a medical test.  

Does the extremely high survival rate of this virus's symptoms, imply that many people do not "have symptoms"?  Even one of the "tests" given, doesn't accurately determine which actual virus is present - just that one is.  All this is only my opinion, but it does seem clear that the virus is endemic; many people have already had it and have an adequate level of immunity to experience either, no "symptoms" or symptoms that are so mild, that they don't differentiate them from any other "feelings" they have experienced. So, the people you describe, are "infected", but the highest percentage of them belongs to the either the survivor group or the group which experienced little or no "symptoms".  Nothing has changed the conditions where the virus is successful in weak/ill/compromised humans. [from all I have read on CDC, etc, websites] People can "avoid" exposure by isolation, and possibly by super- hygienic practices, but the moment this ceases, there is always the possibility of infection. All (traditional) vaccines do not prevent exposure.  Just consider that each of us has probably been exposed to many kinds of viruses that we were vaccinated against and we did not go and get tested, every time we had a "symptom".  Personally. I have had "chicken pox" as a kid, and then "shingles", as an adult (about 35 years later)  The second was one of the worst set of "symptoms", I've ever had - felt like a really bad flu and one lesion ("pox" ) on my face. Long time recovery - about 3 weeks from the first symptoms.  Comparing that to my own and a few friends "symptoms" with c19, (tested) and there is no comparison. 

1 hour ago, kiwikeith said:

Then that means develop natural immunity, that must be something different from Herd immunity

Yes, , it just means that so many have had a particular virus, that they generally don't get very sick the next variant they catch. Any flu can kill an immune -comprised human, or one that is ill with other disease. Nothing has really changed that fact.  This "c19" is now endemic, but money can still be made.

6 hours ago, freedomnow said:

You can't pass tetanus on as far as I know - so it's an apples to oranges comparison. ????

You are correct. It's actually a foolish and irresponsible statement (IMO) to claim "herd immunity " doesn't "work".  Virtually every 'virus' is similar in this characteristic.  At the very least, a recovered, naturally infected human gets a level of immunity. It's the foundational reason that "killed" vaccines work in the first place. Bangkok Hospital's website has  J&J, Astra and Sinovac, listed as these types  {a bit more complicated, but still developed on past successes} and are most likely (IMO) much safer.