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This is a threat to Kiev to turn the gas back on to eastern Ukraine and Crimea...

Kyiv’s suspension of gas flow to eastern Ukraine ‘smells of genocide’ says Putin

http://www.euronews.com/2015/02/25/kyiv-s-suspension-of-gas-flow-to-eastern-ukraine-smells-of-genocide-says-putin/

As you know, Russia is already supplying gas to that portion of Eastern Ukraine territory taken over by rebels/Russia so how is that genocide except for Putin propaganda statement that he fed to Russians to make it appear as if the newly acquired Eastern Ukraine territories are left in the cold.

Why should Ukraine pay for and supply gas to territory controlled by rebels/Russia and occupied by the troops shelling Ukraine and taking over Ukraine territory. Russia should be supplying gas to this territory exactly as they are now.

Ukraine just made another advanced gas payment of $ 15mn, but Russia said that only provides one more day of gas so gas will be cut off Tuesday. What a coincidence that $ 15 mn only last until Tuesday given the meeting on Monday in Brussels.

In reality, Russia is just extorting pressure on Ukraine to strike a less than favorable deal with Russia in Brussels on Monday or the day before Russia said it will cut the gas off. These are the same tactics Russia used with the Ukraine in late 2013 by forcing Ukraine to cancel its loan agreement with the EU and enter an absolutely horrid, mafia like loan agreement with Russia. Poor Ukraine, destined to be Putin's beootcch and whipping stock country.

Geez, I don't know how they would react. I mean, if Russia offered lethal aid to Alaskan separatists, how would Washington react?

Very different scenario. Cannot even figure out way to make a comparison with Alaska, US and Russia.

Let's say Canada got into a civil war and US had its eye on West Canada because it has great snow skiing and it connects US to Alaska. So, US sends a bunch unmarked tanks into West Canada (without admitting it of course) and annexes West Canada from Washington State to Alaska. Then the Canadian rebels started pushing East with the use of US tanks and some US troops dressed in unmarked uniforms. If Russia then sent Canada anti tank weapons, should US who denies even being in Canada be pissed? Perhaps quietly pissed, but not really. Its Canada for Christ sakes and Russia is just supplying weapons to Canada so that Canada defend itself and its territory from aggression by other Canadians.

Now if Russia gave Canada sophisticated weapons and troops to invade US, yes . . . US would and should be openly pissed.

So yet once again and no surprise no acknowledgement of US starting the whole mess.

What previous government did is none of US business and does not give US the right to interfere. Full stop.

Germany and France helped for no other reason than they both suffer because of US meddling.

Both loosing billions in trade with Russia and both worry about gas.

The US did not start the mess in the Ukraine. Ukraine has been a basket case for years. Revolution/protests in 2004 or 2005? In the last 10 years, Ukraine has been plagued by corruption due to Russian styled and influenced government, mismanagement, poor economic conditions, poor GDP growth, inflation and devaluation of currency and an absolute inability to obtain funding from public markets to try and correct its course and rebuild its economy and infrastructure.

Ukraine remaining status quo and remaining subservient to Russia just was not working out well for the Ukraine so Ukraine and Yanuchovych sought a solution.

Yanuchovych seeks help from EU:

Yanuchovych initially sought help from both the EU and Russia to obtain funds. EU did not go looking for him. He entered an agreement with EU to obtain funds that HE SOUGHT OUT from the EU, but Russia said don't you dare so he backed off.

Terms of Russian loan:

Russia forced Yanuchovych to cancel the EU agreement and borrow $ 15 bn from Russia payable in $ 2 bn tranches. Ukraine, however, was required to relinquish the Kerch peninsula. There was NO set Interest rate on the Russian loans payable in 7 tranches. Interest rates would be renegotiated every quarter (BAD idea to let your lender set the interest rate AFTER take the money or loan). Russia said it would cut the price of gas sold to the Ukraine, but the price cut was subject to rescission at any time. Russia said they would stop harassing Ukraine exports at the border and return to pre-2013 customs regulations. The deal was then sealed with illegal kick backs and bribes ala Yuriy Kolobov.

REALLY??? Who the heck would sign such a deal. No set Interest rate. Give up valuable land. You might get a break in gas prices this month, but probably not next month. Sounds like a loan from the Mafia. No wonder people from the Ukraine with any sense were pissed off.

Russia then started exerting economic coercions, harassing Ukraine exports at the border and threatened to turn off the gas to force Ukraine into releasing the 2nd $ 2 bn tranche. Meanwhile, Ukrainians with any common sense were pissed and protesting because they saw their chances at a new an better life slipping away due to Yunuchovych signing a heavily one-sided mafia like loan agreement with Russia (a lot which will be stolen by corrupt Russian and Ukrainian politicians) the conditions of which perpetuated Ukraine's weakness and subservience to Russia that Ukrainians wanted to escape.

Who really is meddling?:

So . . . who is really meddling? This is a question for the people of Ukraine to answer, not some Russian internet trolls with an agenda. Nevertheless, lets look at some facts and observations.

Yanuchovych SOUGHT out the EU to obtain funds and to actually try and do something positive with the Ukrainian economy by tapping into world market. Russia did not want that and forced Yanuchovych to cancel his deal with the EU and forced him to enter a horribly one-sided agreement with Russia.

Ukrainians were and are still pissed at Russia for meddling in its deal with the EU which Ukrainians believed would turn their lives around. Ukrainians are pissed at Russia because Russia tried to force an absolutely ridiculous loan down its throat designed solely to keep Ukraine subservient to Russia.

A lot of hysteria! Some need to chillax. There is not going to be a nuclear war. The Ukrainian conflict will rapidly diffuse provided the rebels/Russians don't try and take Mariupol.

These articles are only made necessary because once again Obama ran his mouth, drew a little red line and led Ukraine to believe he would help Ukraine if certain conditions were not met forcing him to once again save face.

Give me a break on the genocude issue. Putin is threatening to turn the gas off to Ukraine/Europe. Putin, however, is providing gas directly to its newly acquired territory in former Eastern Ukraine. These genocude statements are just Putin on his controlled media to Russians trying to paint Ukraine as evil and sway public opinion to back what he is doing. Russia should pay for and supply gas to its new territory whose people are attacking and shelling Ukraine.

I candidly think behind the scenes this stuff is being worked out in a much larger economic level, but poor Ukraine is going to suffer.

There will be no nuclear war or armed confrontation between US and Russia so chillax. The sky isn't falling.

Would you care to share when rebels did try to advance?

There would not have been a conflict in the first place if US did not sponsor and orchestrate and overthrow of democratically elected government, only because that government was NOT friendly towards US.

Conflict would have ended months ago, if US stayed out of it both financially and politically.

EU was not and is not interested in having conflict with Russia, but was bullied by US into one. France and Germany have been doing everything possible to mend relations, while US has been doing everything possible to break the relations.

The only rats who like the idea of a conflict is Poland and Baltic states, who would kiss anyone's backside in fear.

Putin is turning off gas to Ukraine, because lying cheats do not pay their bills and also steal gas.

Stop making up nonsense, just to support US propaganda.

Holly cow! No wonder tou guys are such a mess and Putun has such an easy time with people like you. Is it just a basic and fundamental lack of intelligence or just pure dishonesty.

My post simply made a few points: (1) there will be no nuclear war; (2) there will be no armed conflict between US and Russia; (3) Russia should and is already supplying gas to its newly acquired territory; (4) this article serves but one purpose, Obama trying to save face for drawing another red line; and (5) Russia's threat to terminate gas service actually creates a humanitarian crisis.

But alas, you consider Ukrainians to be "rats" apparently not deserving of heat or basic life necessities. Therein lies the problem.

Your canned response rhetoric bs that you throw out every single time no matter what you respond to is sad, but insightful. Do you read what you respond to before throwing out same old ridiculous dribble tape playing over and over in your head? Is that all you got? Is that all you are capable of saying or are you incapable of comprehending what should be somewhat easy subject matter?

You have no respect or empathy for innocent suffering people that you just consider "rats." That speaks volumes about you abd your absolute inability to turn off that tape playing over and over and over and over and over inside your head. No wonder you guys are such a mes.

No, you do not make points,

Your posts are always to spew half truth and promote US.

I do not think i ever read you accepted that US was the root of the problem.

Yes i do consider Ukrainian government backed by US to be rats, because they refuse to pay bills, they steal and even after being given money to pay the bills, steal all the money and pay nothing.

They cut off pension payments, so i guess oldies in East Ukraine should starve to death?

What do you consider them? patriots?

I see, so i have no empathy? How about you condemn the action of your government for bombing and killing thousands of innocent civilians in Pakistan, Afghanistan, Iraq, Serbia

How about all those thousands killed in Syria and over a million in refuge camps because US administration decided to back rebels.

All those do not deserve basics?

How about millions in Russia who suffering because of sanctions imposed by US?

I wonder what was the first thing on Obama's mind when he decided to overthrow government in Ukraine? For some reason, i do not think civilians were at the top of the list.

But i am the one with no ability or empathy

Good to see you ain't a hypocrite .

Lol, I outline my points in bullet point and you ignore them and commence with the same rhetoric, most of which has zero to do with the Ukraine.

Both Russia and the Ukraine were basket cases and on downward spirals long before 2014 because of their own decisions and widespread corruption.

Poor Russia just cannot get it together. They implode in late 80s, hit hyperinflation and economic melt down in early 90s and default in late 90s.

Then what happened . . . Russia began participating in the US and world markets and experienced incredible growth and prosperity never before experienced by Russians.

That, however, did not last because Putin and those in control run Russia like the mafia and stole hundreds of billions that were needed to rebuild infrastructure, create jobs and boost GDP per capita which is pathetic for a country with its natural resources.

Once, again, Russia drove itself into the ground, into recession and stagflation. Once again, Russia is experiencing hyperinflation and are in danger of default for s second time IN LESS THAN 20 years

The US sanctions had very little to do with this. Oil prices only speed up what was already set in motion.

You can blame it on the US, but until Russia takes some responsibility for its own economic woes, Russia will continue the same cycle and will have many dark years ahead.

RE: Ukraine

Ukraine suffered from the same Russia mafia like corrupt government that completely drove it into the ground well before 2014. Ukraine had one chance to escape the same never ending cycle and enjoy a potentially better life. Jettison the mafia, Russian style corruption, rebuild its economy and participate more in the world markets.

Sadly, Ukraine had a chance to better its existence, but Russia made sure that did not happen.

I completely get Putin's concern in January 2014 when the writing was on the wall. Putin had to protect its naval base interests in Crimea and used the destabilization of the Ukraine to take over Eastern Ukraine to protect what it perceived a security interests.

That makes sense to me. I get it. I don;t fault him for it. I just fault him for the surreptitious, devious manner in which he accomplished this act and the fact that he ruined Ukrainians chances to perhaps better their country economically.

RE: Who Brokered and Who Wants Peace

France and Germany taking the lead was a basic example of good cop, bad cop. Putting Obama and Putin and the same room would not have been fruitful. At the end of the day, the US wants this area to stabilize more than anyone else because the US does not want to rock the boat on what is currently a strong economy providing a great way of life to Americans. Conflict with Russia could send that spiraling. Putin with his basket case of an economy has much less to lose than US if conflict persist.

More reason to chillax. Ukraine is withdrawing artillery and truce appears to be holding. So unless the Russian backed rebels decide to start shelling Mariupol again and try to take Mariupol, the cease fire should hold. No nuclear war, no Armageddon and no world crisis.

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Ukraine begins artillery withdrawal, recognizing truce is holding

http://mobile.reuters.com/article/idUSKBN0LU1EH20150226?irpc=932

A lot of hysteria! Some need to chillax. There is not going to be a nuclear war. The Ukrainian conflict will rapidly diffuse provided the rebels/Russians don't try and take Mariupol.

These articles are only made necessary because once again Obama ran his mouth, drew a little red line and led Ukraine to believe he would help Ukraine if certain conditions were not met forcing him to once again save face.

Give me a break on the genocude issue. Putin is threatening to turn the gas off to Ukraine/Europe. Putin, however, is providing gas directly to its newly acquired territory in former Eastern Ukraine. These genocude statements are just Putin on his controlled media to Russians trying to paint Ukraine as evil and sway public opinion to back what he is doing. Russia should pay for and supply gas to its new territory whose people are attacking and shelling Ukraine.

I candidly think behind the scenes this stuff is being worked out in a much larger economic level, but poor Ukraine is going to suffer.

There will be no nuclear war or armed confrontation between US and Russia so chillax. The sky isn't falling.

I have a side issue related to this.

ISIS is now doing this kind of thing and then posting videos about it.

Like the burning the man alive and the mass beheadings of Christians on a beach.

I have intentionally avoided watching these videos.

ISIS wants the world to watch them, so isn't watching them a small way of giving them some power?

I know they use them for recruitment ... they are showing they are the most pure / most radical Islamic fundamentalists and that does attract many people to their cause.

But for those not open to being recruited by them (gay Jews need not apply!), I am curious to those who have watched the videos. Do you think we should watch them? What did you get from watching them? Do you regret it? Will you keep watching them as of course more are coming?

JT, I won't watch them, and not for the reason you wondered. I won't watch them because I don't need that barbarism etched into my brain. I'm pretty sure that what I've already imagined about them is bad enough.

Why would I want to torture myself by actually watching a man burn to death or citizens being beheaded? I'd have emotions all over the place of horror for victims and of wanting to kill every one of the terrorists myself with my own M16.

To each his own.

I watched the pilot because I assumed or thought it might have been staged or bs propaganda as some of the earlier beheading videos could have gone either way. Dang sure wished I hadn't now as it was definitely real and it was really bad. If nothing else, this stuff may eventually open eyes as to what kind of people we are dealing with and letting into our countries. F these animals. They have a completely different set of morals, customs and values that simply do not integrate well into Western societies. Seriously, not sure I want neighbors whose families have committed or they have at some point in their life condoned honor killings, abuse of women, acid throwing, stoning of women out of pure jealousy, beheadings and etc. These cultures have become desensitized to and almost accepting of that which should not be accepted or tolerated. Nope, don't want or need it here. F off.

Interesting article and very familiar with the concept having handled security litigation for many years now.

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At first glance, President Vladimir Putin's Russia may seem like a traditional rogue dictatorship whose actions are impossible to predict. In reality, it's a crony capitalist state with relatively open markets. That means you can always know what's going to happen slightly in advance by following the financial dealings of insiders.

Two Ph.D. students at Cornell, Felipe Silva and Ekaterina Volkova, recently confirmed that after analyzing Russian stock trades ahead of Russia's annexation of Crimea. In a yet unpublished paper, they show that insiders began selling stocks while outside observers, even sophisticated ones, were still struggling to accept the possibility of an armed Russian attack on Ukraine.

Silva and Volkova's research is based on the concept of probability of informed trading, originally developed in the mid-1990s by David Easley and Maureen O'Hara, also of Cornell. . . .

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On Feb. 26, four days after Ukrainian President Viktor Yanukovych fled Kiev to escape a revolution against his corrupt rule and two days after Ukrainian authorities attempted to apprehend him in Crimea, Putin put troops in western Russia on high alert. At 6 a.m. on Feb. 27, men in unmarked uniforms quietly took control of the local parliament and government buildings in Simferopol, Crimea. No one in Simferopol, including the local government, immediately made the connection: Putin's war methods weren't yet widely understood.

The mysterious "green men" would only say they were "with the people." . . .

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In retrospect, there were clues if you knew where to look -- and had the right access. For weeks prior to the assault on Crimea, conservative Moscow think tanks had been laying groundwork, peppering the Kremlin with reports calling for intervention in Ukraine if Yanukovych was overthrown. One such "analytical paper" from February 2014, was published yesterday in the anti-Putin weekly Novaya Gazeta

http://www.bloombergview.com/articles/2015-02-25/russia-s-insider-traders-know-putin-s-plans

That's awsome.

So US did not have anything to do with illegal government over throw in Ukraine ?

US does not meddle in Syria, Iraq or lybia?

U.S. did not bomb Pakistan ?

Did not invade Iraq?

Is lybia some part of a woman's body. Was US meddling there? Nevertheless, I am sure it has some relevance to Russia's involvement in the Ukraine, oh wait . . . Russia has no involvement in the Ukraine, in fact Putin does not even know where Crimea or the Ukraine are much less put troops or weapons there. Assuming he did, however, it would be all US's fault for meddling with some chick's lybia.

Interesting article and very familiar with the concept having handled security litigation for many years now.

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At first glance, President Vladimir Putin's Russia may seem like a traditional rogue dictatorship whose actions are impossible to predict. In reality, it's a crony capitalist state with relatively open markets. That means you can always know what's going to happen slightly in advance by following the financial dealings of insiders.

Two Ph.D. students at Cornell, Felipe Silva and Ekaterina Volkova, recently confirmed that after analyzing Russian stock trades ahead of Russia's annexation of Crimea. In a yet unpublished paper, they show that insiders began selling stocks while outside observers, even sophisticated ones, were still struggling to accept the possibility of an armed Russian attack on Ukraine.

Silva and Volkova's research is based on the concept of probability of informed trading, originally developed in the mid-1990s by David Easley and Maureen O'Hara, also of Cornell. . . .

. . .

On Feb. 26, four days after Ukrainian President Viktor Yanukovych fled Kiev to escape a revolution against his corrupt rule and two days after Ukrainian authorities attempted to apprehend him in Crimea, Putin put troops in western Russia on high alert. At 6 a.m. on Feb. 27, men in unmarked uniforms quietly took control of the local parliament and government buildings in Simferopol, Crimea. No one in Simferopol, including the local government, immediately made the connection: Putin's war methods weren't yet widely understood.

The mysterious "green men" would only say they were "with the people." . . .

. . .

In retrospect, there were clues if you knew where to look -- and had the right access. For weeks prior to the assault on Crimea, conservative Moscow think tanks had been laying groundwork, peppering the Kremlin with reports calling for intervention in Ukraine if Yanukovych was overthrown. One such "analytical paper" from February 2014, was published yesterday in the anti-Putin weekly Novaya Gazeta

http://www.bloombergview.com/articles/2015-02-25/russia-s-insider-traders-know-putin-s-plans

Looks like this story is now being picked up by major media outlets.

I sure hope Dimitry Muratov went on vacation outside of Russia before this story ran.

. . . and the NY Times does, unlike Russia, set forth Russia's version or explanation and acknowledges that the Kremlin spokesperson calls it a hoax. Big surprise there.

I imagine we will start hearing more of these leaks as things starting getting worse in Russia, perhaps originating from some of the oligarchs. Things are bad there now. Mass layoffs and prices are getting very high. People are growing impatient.

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Kremlin Was Advised to Annex Crimea Even Before Ukrainian Government’s Fall, Russian Paper Says

MOSCOW — The Kremlin was advised to annex Crimea and a large swath of southeastern Ukraine weeks before the Ukrainian government fell, a Russian newspaper reported on Wednesday, citing what it said was a memo that was presumably presented to the presidential administration.

Russia has long contended that it acted without premeditation in Crimea, and was only seeking to protect Russian speakers who it said were under threat of attack, and to stave off what it suspected was an attempt by NATO to move its forces into the region.

But a report in Novaya Gazeta, one of the few independent voices still publishing in Russia, said that well before the Ukrainian government fell in February 2014, the memo the newspaper had obtained advised the Kremlin to adopt the policy it has since pursued in Ukraine. The memo appears to have been drafted under the auspices of a conservative oligarch later suspected of funding the separatists, the report said.

The memo lays out what it says is the inevitable disintegration of Ukraine and suggests a series of logistical steps that Russia should take to make sure it remains in control of the situation, steps not far off from what actually occurred.

This is just awesome. Democrats in general are just despicable. No one should give them the time of day.

Since the 90s, I have tended to vote Democratically. Clinton swayed me toward the Democrat side during his first tenure. I disagree that Democrats overall are despicable. Obama is despicable and, unfortunately, many good Democratic Congressmen's hands are tied somewhat due to Obama.

Hello? If true, someone better get the heck out of Russia quickly.

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Russia's roadmap for annexing eastern Ukraine 'leaked from Vladimir Putin's office'

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Moscow has been planning to annex parts of Ukraine for more than 12 months, according to sensational claims made in a Russian newspaper.

Vladimir Putins office reportedly compiled a detailed roadmap of how a "pro-Russian drift" could allow it to seize Crimea and some eastern provinces, just a few weeks prior to the ousting of President Viktor Yanukovych and the start of the Ukrainian crisis.

According to a document allegedly leaked to the Novaya Gazeta newspaper, Russia had identified Mr Yanukovych as politically bankrupt, and outlined a plan by which a coup would set in motion events ultimately leading to Russian expansion.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/russias-roadmap-for-annexing-eastern-ukraine-leaked-from-vladimir-putins-office-10069203.html

The fact remains that Russua wants BRICS and the others countries simply want a voice in Bretton Woods. Bretton Woods can can stop funding of the NDB dead in its tracks by simply reducing voting share discrepancy and softening conditionality. That is all Brazil, SA, India and presumably China want. Apparently, no one is too worried about BRICs and here is part of the reason why.

BRICS and funding the NDB is difficult will be a difficult proposition at best. The US$100 billion base capital for NDB is currently just a number on paper. The BRICS countries have committed a meager US$150 million each short-term, and US$50 billion over long term or several years because most of the BRICS have cash flow and severe economic problems. The remaining US$50 billion depends on attracting investments from other nations. This may be problematic if the five leaders do not contribute sufficiently..

At the end of the day, the World Bank will still dwarf the NDB even if the NDB manages to fully capitalize through its own and outside contributions.

Economists and analysts also generally opine that the NDB is a positive economically. The NDB would supplement Bretton Woods by providing an alternative when necessary, not supplant it. All of this zerohedge, Russia propaganda dollar collapse hysteria and end of the US nonsense is just that, hysteria and nonsense.

Again, the World Bank can render the NDB dead in the water by simply reducing voting share discrepancy and softening conditionality. Brazil, India and SA would walk away and China would follow suit. This would certainly happen if World Bank thought there was truly this Russian, zerohedge et al. proclaimed global threat to the US or the West. Those running the World Bank and the IMF are not asleep at the wheel and are smart enough figure this stuff out.

Pub:

I appreciate your loyalty to your party, but come on. Oabama is not perfect and he is actually now messing up where it really matters and is potentially dangerous.

Here is how much control Obama has over sensitive world issues now. Russia, China et al pretty much realizes they can do what ever they want and all they will get a stern scolding from our mouthpiece wimp of a President.

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(Reuters) - Russia has offered Iran its latest Antey-2500 missiles, the head of Russian state defense conglomerate Rostec said on Monday according to media reports, after a deal to supply less powerful S-300 missiles was dropped under Western pressure.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/02/23/us-iran-nuclear-russia-missiles-idUSKBN0LR0MZ20150223

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Egypt acts as middleman for Russia-Libya arms deal

http://www.al-monitor.com/pulse/originals/2015/02/egypt-efforts-libya-army-russia-weapons.html##ixzz3SaQDmue2

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[Obama is] Paralyzed By Ukraine, Dumbfounded by Russia

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From all indications, the president and his aides are downright torn over how to proceed, mindful of the consequences of both action and inaction. Meanwhile, Putin-backed rebels consolidate their gains.

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McCain and Graham simply don't believe Obama has the stomach for the fight. (Neither likely does Putin.)

The evidence suggests they might be right. It's become increasingly clear that the president has serious reservations about arming the Ukrainians, even as some members of his administration – his secretary of State, John Kerry, and his new Pentagon chief, Ash Carter, to name two – are in favor of it.

"President Obama can't come out and say Ukraine is not a vital interest. It's politically inadmissible," says Simon Saradzhyan, assistant director of the U.S.-Russia Initiative to Prevent Nuclear Terrorism, an institute at Harvard University. "But if you look at what he's really been doing, it shows that the U.S. does not want to get dragged into a military conflict."

http://www.nationaljournal.com/defense/paralyzed-by-ukraine-dumbfounded-by-russia-20150223

French analyst calls for France-Germany-Russia alliance

The analyst stressed that the tripartite bloc "will be the only chance for Europe to get rid of the United States protectorate and become, in the words of General de Gaulle, a Free Europe"

http://tass.ru/en/world/778961

Analyst? How about a lowly journalist that maintains his relevance only by pissing people off through taking controversial, often racial, articles..

Sadly, government owned news agencies such as TASS feed this to the Russian people to try and give them some hope they are heading in the right direction and to keep them from turning on Putin because of the absolute horrid economic conditions.

Putin's like, be calm Russians. All the world's countries are on the verge of joining Russia and dropping the US and we will soon have the lifestyle of the US. Sadly, just more lies to the good Russian people so that Putin can remain in the driver's seat.

No legitimate EU country would ever join Russia and I doubt any of the BRICS will actually let Russia's NDB have control over any substantial blocks of their money as that money is subject to vanish at any time and then what are they going to so about? This is like teaming with the Gambino family and letting the Gambino family be your bank. How stupid is that?

The hits just keep on comin'

Most American conservatives and most in the Republican party and beyond it have completely lost the plot.

For instance, a major reason Prez Obama and his administration do not say "Islamic terrorists" or "Muslim jihadists" and the like is because the US is trying to develop viable working relations with the leaders and the peoples of Sunni majority countries in the ME and in places like Indonesia in SE Asia. Sunnis are the Muslims directly threatened and already being harmed by IS.

Using the name of the religion in a war on terror strongly implies war against all of the religion. Yes, this is what some want, on each side Muslim and Christian.

Most or almost all leaders of Western nations deliberately avoid putting the word Islamic or Muslim in the same breath as terrorist, terrorism, jihad, jihadist and the like. Leaders of Nato governments use these words separately and apart from one another. Leaders of Nato governments say only "terrorism" but normally do not also say with it "Muslim" or "Islamic." There are no crusader prime ministers or other leaders of governments in the Nato member states that I know of.

Anyone who might think the prez does not know who the enemy is, what the enemy is trying to do, and how, would be deaf, dumb, blind due to partisan and other comprehensive biases and prejudices. Many of these people are also those who believe the earth is 6000 years old.

Baracknophobia.

The truth of the matter is that what ever Obama does The Barackophobes would find fault with. It has less to do with the issues and more to do with latent racism. simply , they cant get over the fact that a black man can not only be as good as them, but can even be better.

The likes of Giuliani,Pallin , Tramp . know this very well and they are exploiting it to further their agenda, Barackophobes are being used and as such are tools.

to be fair

conversely there a latent guilt some whites feel towards blacks, this is also exploited by smart African american players

If you are going to be a tool be a hammer don't be a nail, being a nail could give you an awful headache

I used to say the same thing ON HERE about those opposed to Bama and then I woke the F up around the Syria red line, Snowdem Putin showdown, IRS, Benghazi and AP wire Tap time frame, all which seemingly happening around the same time.

Since then, everything he has done has been a disaster and he has completely lost control of very sensitive world issues that could cause long term security and financial impacts on the US.

News flash, the world is a freaking disaster right now. Putin has no respect for anything Obama does or says and Putin is about to go on a rampage in the Baltic region.

What has Obama handled well? Did his withdrawal from Iraq work out well? How well did he do in Egypt? How well has he done in Iran, Lybia or Syria? Our relationship with Israel is shaky, yet the Muslims don't particularly like us either. The US's relationship with China, Russia and South Anerica are as bad as they have been in many years.

The US economy turned around on his watch, but that was going to happen regardless who was in the White House. The recovery and stimulus programs had zero to do with Obama and were not Obama created. I had high hopes for Obamacare and I voiced ON HERE how in theory Obamacare should work, but somehow he managed to screw that up and it is a disaster for anyone that is middle class.

Candidly, I just hope Obama does not cause potential irreversible damage before the next election.

You guys seriously need to pull your head out of the sand and realize what Putin is doing. This is about to get bad and he may start messing with some of the NATO countries in the region because he knows Obama wont do anything.

This could get real ugly real fast and all we get is a lot of grandstanding, double talk and hollow threats from Obama. That may work for Obama supporters, but Putin, China, Iran, South America, Syria, Egypt, ISIS et al. are taking notes and they are getting bolder and bolder.

Obama is nothing but a crap talking mouthpiece that has lost control of some very serious world issues. He must just like to hear the sound of his voice when he talks a big game involving hard ball tactics because no one else (Putin, ISIS, Iran, Egypt, China and etc.) listen to it care what he says as he never, ever backs it up. What kind of leader telegraphs his every move in the first place? Obama does. No one else.

Don't threaten actions and say when its going to happen. Just do it. Don't threaten sanctions and tell everyone how you are really going to get tough this time. Just do it and and be silent. Actions, not words are a sign of strength. Obama has zero back bone, has completely lost control and is a joke to real world leaders.

Asiantraveler:

A bit like the hysteria you posted for weeks from similar websites such as eforeitwasnews and zereohedge stating that the US was doomed, would be unable to contain ebola, that ebola was AIRBORNE and that an outbreak was imminent in the US.

US media reports both sides of the Ukraine cinflict. We consistently get the Russian or rebel version and the Kiev version in practically every article I read.

Just yesterday, US media was reporting that the West had been outmatched by Putin in this situation and that the West was "mpotent" to deal with Putib over the Ukraine and in other Baltic states.

Obama showed time and time again that he is FOS and scared to act. He draws lines and makes strong sounding speeches, but he consistently backs down and fails to act when those lines are crossed. Putin knows this and does what he pleases because he knows Ovama won't do anything but talk a big game and then slink away when the shyyttte hits the fan.

Lol, when you will get media coverage from Putin owned or controlled media sites calling him impotent, lacking balls or confessing that he was outmatched and blew it.

Haha, Sputnik News!!!

So, your are saying that Hollande did not make that statement? I have no interest in finding another source but I have no doubt he made that statement.

Hollande's comments were in regard to a specific incident and NOT in general, across the board during the history of the conflict.

A bunch of idiot trolls took a a portion of a statement addressing a very RECENT specific incident, took it out of context and a bunch of equally ignorant people apparently ran with it. Lol!

I have never called anyone an idiot on this forum. Nor do I ever get sarcastic or condescending. That is 8 years worth of posts. You could be my first.

Good God my man, you make ridiculous statements based on absolutely unreliable websites spreading dangerous bs and misinformation that is actually harming people and making situations worse not better.

You talk about BRICS, Ukraine and all of the other propaganda you dredge up from Russia propaganda sites without apparently making any effort to understand the subject matter, what is actually going on or why something was said.

Biden: Russia can't claim separatists alone behind attacks

Too funny Joe, but the shoe fits on both feet...

Day late and a dollar short. That video has been posted on here and taken down by mods 5 or 6 times.

The US reported in November I believe that a joint NATO coalition of about 1,200 or 1,300 from different countries went to Ukrainr for training in the Fall of 2014.

As far as the same, I disagree. Russia sending troops and weapons into the Ukraine to invade Ukraine or to take portions of the Ukraine is much worse than sending troops or weapons to help a country defend itself within its own borders.

PARIS (Sputnik) French President Francois Hollande said Friday at a joint news conference with German Chancellor Angela Merkel that he was unable to confirm the presence of Russian military hardware in Ukraine.

We cannot confirm that Russian tanks had entered Ukraine, Hollande said.

Read more: http://sputniknews.com/politics/20150220/1018534477.html#ixzz3SR4cMj77

Haha, Sputnik News!!!

So, your are saying that Hollande did not make that statement? I have no interest in finding another source but I have no doubt he made that statement.

Hollande's comments were in regard to a specific incident and NOT in general, across the board during the history of the conflict.

A bunch of idiot trolls took a a portion of a statement addressing a very RECENT specific incident, took it out of context and a bunch of equally ignorant people apparently ran with it. Lol!