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On 9/1/2023 at 10:13 AM, SunnyinBangrak said:Trump mk2 would be untamed and unbridled revenge.
Up side of this is most will support it. The left claim the law applies equally to all, let's see the lefty elites in jail for their summer of love, election denialism, weaponizing the DOJ, encouraging the "surge" to biden's welded open southern border etc
First sentence - you're correct, he would absolutely weaponize the Justice Department and go after his enemies.
Second sentence - "most" will support it. Surprisingly, you're correct again! I don't know anyone on the Left who would for example support not prosecuting Biden should it come out that he actually was involved in Hunter Biden's...whatever thing it is he was involved in. I think we'd be all for prosecuting anyone who tried to break the law and don't care who it is, even if it's AOC (whom I quite like politically).Third sentence - if there were laws broken, then those who did it or organized it should be in jail. That's the position of the Left, we believe in this "rule of law" thing. What "election denialism" are you referring to and what law did that break? What evidence is there that the Biden administration "encouraged the surge" and what law was broken that you can identify? Do you think people who break the law should go to jail even if you support their politics? Could you give us an example of who would fall into that category for you?
That's the fundamental difference; you actually understand that Trump both lost the election and tried to overturn it (sedition), supports dictators over democracies, and have no doubt he tried to sexually assault the various women (rape, libel). Despite wanting to throw any poor person who jaywalks into jail, you'd completely be okay with tossing out all of the charges and voting a seditious felon into office despite his killing over a million Americans with his botched COVID response and running up a massive deficit in a giveaway to already wealthy people. The so-called "party of law and order" now wants to dispose of the FBI and arrest judges who rule in ways different to what their popular opinion is.
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3 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:That is indeed something that those that love Biden should take to heart.
It's not really much of a point. First off, what you're actually saying IS that people don't really love Biden. That was known to be the case during the election, and yes, absolutely, the election was more about "Anyone But Trump" than it was "I like Biden". I don't recall a single soul on the Left claiming that they "love Biden", and it's hard to find one even now that he's in power.
What that tells you is the majority of American voters would rather have a wax figure from Mme. Tussaud's than a lying cheating conman who has no respect for the law. That's a valid point of view. Imagine how lopsided the election would have been had the Democrats offered up someone inspiring? Now the wax figure has 4 more years of wear and tear - and everyone would STILL rather vote for an animatronic tall White robot than they would Donald Trump. You take that to mean that people don't love Biden. Newsflash - they never did! But do they want instead four more years of unending soap opera and giveaways to the Rich while continuing to stoke the divisions within American society? More pretending that climate change is a "Chinese hoax" as their Red states burn and their power grids give out? More broadcasting Russian propaganda and stabbing democratic allies in the back so you can personally profit? Don't think so.But let's both hope that ol' Joe, Mitch, Dianne Feinstein and the rest of the dinosaurs get medically compromised to the point where they finally start retiring and getting out of the way of progress. We want a REAL lefty in there, boy will you ever be surprised when you discover what that's all about. Y'all still think Obama was one (he was Center-Right).
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On 9/1/2023 at 10:00 AM, 2baht said:But, but he claims he did'nt do anything wrong! He'll treat this like a celebrity appearance! Watch the buffoon milk it for more than it's worth!
Well, it's one thing to milk cows in front of TV cameras for entertainment, quite another when it's testimony. If I were a prosecutor, knowing Trump's character and love of performance I'd want cameras there because he won't be able to resist saying things that will be perjury and damning for his defense.
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Understandable. The Government's complete lack of fiscal responsibility is really biting them in the butt and they're becoming desperate to find ways to stop the bleeding. What they're proposing in the new banking laws will not just lead to an exodus of banks, but of businesses as well.
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3 hours ago, kingstonkid said:
The death penalty save money only in that the cost of inprisonmnet is lower as he is not there for meals and looking after as long.
Personally I have always been a proponent of people that commit these crimes being jailed. With the provision that they are jailed in the Gen pop. That way they really do HARD TIME.
Back when coke was sold in a glass bottle only they were a favourite toy for lifers that wanted to enertain themselves with child molestors or Pedophiles.
This is incorrect. The cost of imprisonment within the general prison population is relatively low compared to the cost for the courts to convict for the death penalty (much more difficult and drawn out process), the costs to the courts for the appeals processes to play out (necessary with such a strong penalty that cannot be revoked) and the costs for the special quarters required for the condemned (Death Row is way more expensive than general pop). Just put them in the general population, where their costs are the same as others and their stay will likely be...short and unpleasant due to prisoner justice.
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3 hours ago, Sydebolle said:Well, what does it cost the taxpayer to keep these two monsters alive for a month - considering their relative young life?
Who guarantees that they will get to reason and never ever do such a thing again?
There are three reasons for death penalty; rape, murder as a guardian (be it old people or young children) and drug dealers.
You do not make these crimes "unhappen" but they will never ever be committed by the same people.
Life sentence, no parole, limitations of 25 years etc. etc. etc. - Fact is, that there is hardly anyone serving the full "life" sentence and I wonder, how big the "repetition" case is. After X years in the slammer they had enough time to build up even more evil and hatred.
We might have to agree to disagree on this!So no response to the issues raised - that it is always more expensive to try to prosecute people with the death sentence due to the endless appeals and process that is rightfully in place for when the State takes a measure so extreme, that there are often miscarriages of justice particularly when there are disadvantaged groups who are being accused (I failed to mention that before), that sentences of life without parole have extraordinarily low cases of people escaping and re-committing crimes and by definition they're not eligible for parole so can't do so otherwise, that the Buddhist nature of Thailand means the death penalty is contrary to the basic morales and principles held by the majority of the population, etc.
You won't find justice in quickly convicting and killing people who are accused - this has been shown over and over again to be a slippery slope. Sure, seems a no-brainer for scumbags like these. But once you make state-sanctioned death quick and easy, you can bet your life that it will be misused as has happened repeatedly in the USA for example.- 1
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New Government! COME AND GET IT!
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3 hours ago, Sydebolle said:
Whatever the do-gooders and tree huggers opinion; the death sentence would have served society much better than feeding these two monsters for the rest of their lives.
It must be the objective of society's gate keepers to ensure the safety. Rid the society from such terrible monsters - once and for good. You will not make anything unhappen but those two would never ever create trouble again and the taxpayer would be not unhappy too!It's a pity that you can't point to any reasonable evidence that the Death Sentence is either a deterrent, saves any costs to society or otherwise is beneficial compared to life sentences without chance of parole. Much better to just go off on a rant against lefties whom you dislike (again without any evidence) rather than present any cogent arguments.
To explain - a life sentence without parole means these two have zero chance of ever doing this again. Not having the Death Sentence means not having endless appeals and therefore lower costs to the public even with the costs of incarceration (at least in the developed world, not sure about Thailand). A supposed Buddhist society should certainly not be choosing to execute prisoners, something fundamentally and explicitly against the credo of the state religion.- 1
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4 minutes ago, OneMoreFarang said:
I stopped reading after your rant.
"paternalistic boundaries" wow, do they teach you to use that term in woke class and how to do virtual signaling?
Just looking at that picture above it's pretty obvious that she sells sex or whatever woke people call this these days.
Action - reaction. That principle is well understood since centuries. But obviously the woke crowd has problems with the truth when it doesn't match "their truth".
Enjoy your Lalaland.
The master of deflection again refuses to engage in substantive debate, situation normal. You always have reasons for never answering any points but just moving on to the next bit of nonsense.
Oh, plus the egregious misogyny and assumption that this young woman is selling sex, which totally doesn't indicate any paternalism on your part.- 1
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25 minutes ago, OneMoreFarang said:
Ok, lets look at some more radical examples. There are some influencers and YouTube "stars" who get their likes and clicks because of stupid pranks. They make other peoples' lives difficult and they profit from their subscribers.
If someone would harass those influencers, who harass other people for a living, do you think the police should protect those influencers? Should the taxpayers pay for protection for those people? I don't think so. Above is the same principle.
Why? Why not just answer the questions I posed?
This woman didn't run any pranks or make other people's lives difficult or otherwise break the law or harrass other people as far as I can tell and there was nothing in the story to indicate she did or that she has otherwise done anything wrong. There was no indication of it in the article and you've not provided any evidence she did anything other than her business as an influencer. You just started slamming your fists into the keyboard because as an old person you find "influencers" to be absurd and don't participate in that economy and furthermore the idea of a pretty young woman being able to make an independent living outside of paternalistic boundaries bothers you.If she did something "radical", then she is liable for the impacts she caused and laws she broke. We don't expect society to engage in individual vigilantism to enforce the law.
And as to your example, there was a NYC influencer dude who told his thousands (or millions) of followers that he was going to give away a large amount of stuff in public in Times Square and caused a riot. He has been charged and will likely face significant legal sanction because he DIDN'T take any precautions or pay for security for his stunt. That's just normal procedure.- 1
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8 hours ago, OneMoreFarang said:
Possibly if she wouldn't be a so-called influencer then there wouldn't be a stalker.
If she wants to be a celebrity, then I suggest she should pay for her own security.
Should taxpayers' money be used to protect someone who deliberately puts themselves at risk?
I don't think so.
So if I decide you're a real piece of work, start stalking you and harrassing you, you shouldn't be entitled to any protection under the law even when I start escalating my harrassment? Oh no, says you, I'm not doing this for work purposes, I just write posts on ThaiVisa to troll others! Therefore not fair? But if this WAS your work, then no problems, I can harrass you all I like?
I had previously mistaken you for someone capable of rational thought, but I was incorrect.
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On 8/26/2023 at 10:55 AM, KannikaP said:
I think it is a good, honest song.
Brian was the first use the word GOD in a 'pop' song.,
Laughably incorrect and completely irrelevant.
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19 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:Try referring to the post I quoted and stop deflecting. I wasn't talking about the GOP.
Oh My! You weren't referring to the GOP? Who then was the person whom you were referring to when you wrote this?
On 8/26/2023 at 1:07 PM, thaibeachlovers said:Remember a certain president with his WMD untruths? Caused the deaths of many, unlike Trump, who never started any wars.
So if one wants to talk about causing disgrace, look elsewhere.
WMD = Weapons of Mass Destruction. This was the Colin Powell presentation you're referring to that was critical to the justification of the US invasion of Iraq. Correct?
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2 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:Remember a certain president with his WMD untruths? Caused the deaths of many, unlike Trump, who never started any wars.
So if one wants to talk about causing disgrace, look elsewhere.
Why you're absolutely right! Who was the lying leftie libtard who did that!?!? Oh, that would be the noted Liberal George Dubya Bush! Which political party was he a member of?
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2 hours ago, Jumbo1968 said:
I agree, I see people on flights attempt to take carry on baggage over the weight limit and size, don’t they ever read the what baggage allowances are or just pushing their luck.
Try doing it on an EasyJet ot Ryanair flight, Servisair / Emirates at Newcastle weigh your carry on baggage and on many occasions I have witnessed people being told it’s too heavy/large and they then are frantically trying to put it in their hold baggage.
I always get concerned when passengers are putting heavy bags in the overhead lockers, if they accidentally slip from their grasp they could do a passenger a serious injury.
When B.A. used to fly from Heathrow their carry on baggage limit was 25kg but the size of the bag limited, try lifting 25 kg into an overhead locker.When I used to travel a lot for work, I had to take with me a considerable amount of computer hardware, including a total of over 18TB worth of portable hard disk drives. We're told not to pack these valuable electronics in our checked luggage, which I have always found a bit odd - who is going to be able to access them other than airport workers? But I suppose experience has demonstrated that that's exactly who will access them and take whatever valuable is inside, given their ability to x-ray and observe whatever goodies might be hidden.
Therefore I end up with two carry-ons, one with my laptop and half of the drives, the other half with my backpack and papers. Nobody has ever tried to stop me or charge me because of this, even Air Asia. Both are likely over 7kg, but what else am I to do?- 2
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3 hours ago, SunnyinBangrak said:Pure tyranny. I wonder whether anyone cheering the weaponization of the justice sytem is basing their sheer loathing of the man - and justification for this unprecedented coordinated attack on an ex Pres - on facts, rather than a well crafted narrative that paints him as an immoral and corrupt psychopath? Somehow I doubt it.
So, where be them facts regarding the so-called "stolen election" you keep going on about? Why was he unable to produce enough evidence to convince 31 separate courts that this occurred including judges appointed to the bench by DJT hissownself? Why keep the clear and obvious evidence of the fraudulent election instead of showing it to the judges? If the so-called "corrupt judges" then decided to ignore this evidence, why not release it to the public where it's obvious veracity would instantly turn public opinion to his side?
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13 minutes ago, bamnutsak said:Least surprising bit of news so far in this "election" debacle.
The amount of wheeling and dealing for ministries, and the associated 'troughage' must have been staggering. Thaksin is probably the only one who could herd these cats.
Next up, decapitate MFP.
Yup.
By the way, remember when for the last 8 years or so Thaksin has been the evil one who must be prevented from returning for his original sin of Thai politics, how he was anti-Monarchist, how his regime was the most corrupt ever, how he destroyed "democracy" through accumulation of too much power...those same people just kissed the ring and handed it back to him because of the REAL threat, actual democracy. They're so afraid of that, they'll take Thaksin back over actually allowing the will of the people to prevail.- 3
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1 hour ago, wazzupnow said:
pottheads united
this disgusting habbit of smoking pott or even tobacco should be banned from public places
and it is so simple to enforce it at low cost and great happiness for the honorable members of the RTP
put a fine on it from 5000 bht
wich is collectable by the arresting officers and allow them to keep this money themselves
the last is what makes it effective and inspires our noble cops
now L.O.S is turning in to a different meaning before Land Off Smiles now Land Of Stinking
The "honorable members of the RTP"? So you're proposing the status quo?
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On 8/5/2023 at 5:54 PM, bignok said:
Says the left. He hated Jews, they werent left wing.
Your ignorance is remarkable. You believe "Jews" were a monolithic group politically? And as a group, you believe they leant more Right than Left in pre-war Germany? I'm not at all sure that was the case.
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28 minutes ago, Neeranam said:Absolutely, the press knew, I knew due to the evidence, things like when he called his opposition 'George' and other similar gaffes.
I find it truly bizarre that the hardcore Biden supporters STILL refuse to admit that their horse is failing, even with continual gaffes. The latest were when he touched the arm and back of King Charles, and appeared to not know where he was or what he was doing when inspecting the troops,when the King had to try to get him to stop talking.
Most rational Democrats realize that he is an embarrassment and unfit to run again, and will be lucky to be allowed to continue this term. Most rational Democrats realize, and admit they were wrong in voting for him, just to keep Trump out.
I don't suppose you actually know any of these imaginary "rational Democrat" voters? Because nobody on the Democratic side of the fence feels that Biden won't finish his term and would have still voted for a potted plant over Trump. It's kinda like when the GOP people say "everyone knows" or "people tell me that" or any other amorphous and meaningless term that boils down to "I have no evidence but will make this bold assertion anyway".
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4 hours ago, Hanaguma said:
Wow, you think African immigrants from Africa haven't been disadvantaged?!? Growing up in Somalia or Uganda or Nigeria is a cakewalk compared to growing up in the US? Sorry, but these are people who are escaping from actual injustice, death, and threat of torture. Precisely what advantages do you think they have?
Ditto Asian immigrants, both recent and past. Guess you never heard of the Chinese Exclusion Acts, or the forcible internment of Japanese Americans, or the plight of the Vietnamese boat people, or the horrors experienced by those who survived the genocide in Cambodia and could escape to freedom. Yeah, they had it GOOD...
You need to follow your own logic, but instead you're too busy tying yourself into a pretzel to broadcast your illogical and out-of-date viewpoints.
Are you aware that the majority of immigrants to the USA are legal ones who go through the process and are rated on a scale based on education, job experience, age, etc.? These tend to weed out the poor and heavily disadvantage and prioritize the best possible candidates. The refugees and other hardship cases are not the majority. So why does it surprise you that immigrants out-perform those who were disadvantaged from the start?
You live outside of the experience of immigrants and POC but are perfectly comfortable drawing completely irrelevant and incorrect assertions about them.
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21 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:
What I said was: The court struck down something the President was trying to do illegally, not something Congress had passed into law.
How did you going on and on about "tax breaks for the rich" and pointing out the President inappropriately used an "...Act passed by Congress covering "emergencies'..." thoroughly rebut my statement? If anything, it looks like it supports it.
Now you want to play the troll-card?
You wrote "Do you have any facts that support your claim about the 1.9 - 2.3 trillion dollar tax cut that disproportionately went to the wealthiest Americans and corporations?"
I responded with comprehensive evidence. You observed that post and wrote "Wow, no facts provided, juet a link to an opinion piece, I'm shocked." despite the only opinion piece being the one supporting your viewpoint and the facts being comprehensive.
You then moved on to your next tedious attempt to shift the goalposts, where you try to pretend that Biden did something illegal...like I said, you're a boring troll.- 1
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2 hours ago, Yellowtail said:
We were discussions whether it's fair for the President to use taxpayer money to selectively pay off student loans. The court has already determined it was not legal. I do not think it's fair, but we all know fairness does not matter.
You regurgitating the same old "tax breaks for the rich" leftist rhetoric does not really add to the discussion.
Because one thing is unfair, it not a good excuse to do another that is not fair.
So now that I thoroughly rebutted your points, you ignore the substance and move back to the original "thought" as if nothing whatsoever had been discussed. I suppose you never did have any intention of honest debate, you're just here to troll. Boring.
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On 7/1/2023 at 12:43 PM, Kenny202 said:
Buffalos can be aggressive and are what must be a 600km + ball of armor muscles and horns. There are many recorded attacks and deaths in Thailand. On foot and unprotected would be very unwise to go near it again.
This was your assertion, that there are "many" recorded attacks and deaths in Thailand.
I googled Thailand and "death by water buffalo". Found two, one in February 2023, the previous one in 2004. Is that "many recorded attacks and deaths"? You made the assertion, where is your evidence?- 1
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It is hard to find articles that actually achieve making the reader stupider than they were prior to reading it. This is one of those rare cases. What a bunch of <deleted>!