MonkeyLoo

You are not Asian, you are not supossed to understand it fully.

No harm in trying mate...

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Unfortunately face is a part of asia

I find face to be a unnecessary layer of nothing, that makes a simple situation more complex and unproductive, especially in disputes

Eg complaining about bad service, telling people off, correcting people when they do wrong, being the cause of fights etc. etc.

Indeed. Seems like you cant have a dispute here. Its brushed under the carpet with a smile ;-)

Then we cough and move on.

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If you fill a box and pay the delivery you are not going to save much. But what fun it will be opening it. Like being a kid on Xmas day.

and better if it was delivered by one of these

i had a thought the other day about walnut whips

they were yummy !

dave2

A Walnut Whip fantasy! Awsome....

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Thanks for the posts all.

Im non the wiser really.

Just have to accept it as there way of avoiding conflict.

The white lies are not malicous just silly IMO.

Budhism allows a lie apparently if it means the party does not get hurt.

If we were all like this, having no backbone to tell things as they are, where would we be?!

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I guess i need to learn how to handle it.

Any suggestions?

Stay in your own country ?

More frustrations in my own country btw.

Im just trying to understand this particular custom.

Must make doing business here very hard.

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Ive been in Thailand for several Months now and have been coming here since 1998.

I really love the country and its people but one thing i have still failed to get my head around is the Thai custom of saving face.

For example, i have seen people blatantly lie and continue to lie even when found out!

It frustrates the hell out of me sometimes. I guess i need to learn how to handle it.

Any suggestions?

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We bought a new Mitsubishi Mirage from a dealer in Chiang Mai. After we agreed on the price, I paid 10,000 baht as a deposit and told them it would be 7-10 days for funds to be transferred from the US to Thailand and I would then pick up the car (expect to do it on Saturday). The sales lady said the dealership wanted a 3000 baht deposit for the red plates which was to be refunded when the white plates arrived.

I will ensure we get the "book" or whatever it is to document travels when we have the red plates. Do you have to document every trip you take prior to getting the white plates or only those trips that go outside the province? Can I drive in Chiang Mai at night with red plates? If not, at what time does the car have to be off the road?

The car will not be in my name as I have a tourist visa and can't buy a car however I did buy a motorcycle last week and only had to supply a Certificate of Residence from Immigration. Why can a farang buy a motorcycle but not a car? Any clues?

Just saw the prior post from nongsangcity which answered one of my questions about how often you have to fill in the brown book. Thanks. Any idea about why I can buy a motorcycle but not a car on a tourist visa?

Im only on a tourist visa and was allowed to buy a new truck.

My Thai girl was with me and they took a copy of her ID. I dont know if or why that would make a difference. Its in my name for sure.

The guy at immigration asked me to put it in my girls name as he said it was easier!

Yeah right......

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My experience a couple of weeks ago, cannot put in your name.

Why not?

If you pay in full in cash ?

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Ive just got my white plates after 5 Months. All kinds of problems but nothing too serious.

1- The dealer didnt give me the book that i was supposedto have to log journeys. So i got stopped twice by the cops and fined 200 baht each time. Having said that i was in another province. In the province where i got the car they just seemed to look at the plate and wave me through.

2 - The dealer called after a few months telling me i need a residency certificate to register it in my name.

I got one from immigration, cost 800 baht.

I paid cash too but wasnt aware i paid a deposit for the plates? is that true for all red plates?

shhite

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She just likes a good chat.

Shes 84. For some reason she doesnt mind the Mormons, but has no time for Muslims.

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Be careful she has not signed over the inheritance to them, with thier sweet little chats, very easy to find Jesus at 84yo

Shes seen it all and read it all at 84.

Sends them out of the door tongue tied.

Ive no time for it.

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My Mom always lets them in for a chat and does them a coffee. They havent robbed her yet!

Worse people in the world than Mormons.....

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EDUCATION!!!!

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I read your original questions but have skipped most of the other argumentative posts.

I would say you have been had and so has your ex.

"Spiritual" types are always prime candidates for that kind of manipulation. The past life BS and all that justifies his actions in his mind. Some people are that gullable.

In my opinion you are throwing good money after bad by employing a lawyer in Thailand.

Maybe look at other options or just let it go.

Good luck

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Yeah, - exactly the same as my wife's 14-yo grandson, who lives with us, while his quite decent mother is working overseas. Difference is that my worldly wise 58-yo wife agrees with me and will also give this disrespectful 6ft brat a clip under the ear when needed. Upon my suggestion, we have put him to working on holidays, do jobs around the house and will have to cut down his computor (Face-) use, plus want to know where he has gone on the motorbike at night?? I suspect that with his pot smoking little friend, that they did a cash grab robbery from the motorbike, so I told them in no uncertain terms, what to expect in the "monkey house." Told my very nice wife not to protect him, or he will end up in trouble with te law, and I started threatening to send him back to his hopeless father. Also suspect that he is smoking a bit of weed (I know, because one of my Aussie sons is an addict), so he is going to come unstuck with me very shortly, and he knows it. All started when he marched into our bedroom to claim my nice silk shirt (without asking), so "sony boy" got a big tongue lashing from me and losing-it and shouting (which they hate), is the best way to get them to listen. After having lived with Thai families I know that it is a cultural thing where the girls are usually quite well disciplined, but the boys are treated like little gods, which is why many of them grow up to be lying, arrogent a----holes. As others are saying, - If you cannot get the support of your wife, then threaten to "pull the plug;" - You can win, but you have to be tough with them and not show any weakness; - Good Luck...

Spot on Richard. I agree with the way you handled it. The OP has no choice but to do the same or get out.

It has its roots in education for sure, or lack of it, and of course that is Thai culture.

But why should we lower our standards?

Maybe we are old school.....

Nothing wrong with that.

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now that you tell us the father is dead,

you have only one option besides leaving:

boarding school or military academy,

but far away, and out of your life

Fair comment.

If he is anything like my girls Son he wouldnt go to boarding school even if it was all set up for him because he would need to do as he is told there. Grandmas is the easy option.

Military? I dont know how that works here. If its compulsary with penalties if he does not go then it can only be a good thing.

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My girls Son is same age and same attitude. He stays with his Grandmother not with us. He was supposed to go live with his Dad but refused.

Problem is he has not had a Dad in his life to discipline when required and he wont go to his Dads as he knows he cant just do as he pleases as with his Mother and Grand mother.

I wouldnt take a kid on like that especially if you dont have the Mothers FULL support.

If i were in your position i would just load up my truck and drive off into the sunset.

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Why should he piss off out of your life?

Why should he go with his Dad, for your convenience?

I know my step son's Dad and we are OK with things.

My step daughter mostly lives with him, but sometimes here.

We are family!

He doesnt have to piss off out for my convenience. He can stay or live with us but not by his rules. Just like my girls daughter is doing. She is totally different.

As i say, he wont go to his Dads or live with us as he wont get away with his shit here or with his Dad.

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My girls Son is same age and same attitude. He stays with his Grandmother not with us. He was supposed to go live with his Dad but refused.

Problem is he has not had a Dad in his life to discipline when required and he wont go to his Dads as he knows he cant just do as he pleases as with his Mother and Grand mother.

I wouldnt take a kid on like that especially if you dont have the Mothers FULL support.

If i were in your position i would just load up my truck and drive off into the sunset.

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why is he now posting animal rights videos???????

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My friend got sorted out, no big problem , no great drama ( except on ThaiVisa ), so for me , It's topic over.

Is that so hard to understand ?

Thanks again to the poster that actually gave great info, as to the rest of you, live with it, it's real life, people do get into trouble, your pontificating and disgust won't change that while you have a breath in your body, and it wont change after you have no breath at all. we are humans, we make human mistakes.

If you think you are so great, think where you get your food from, take a look at this, then eat a steak.

http://topdocumentaryfilms.com/earthlings/

Hold on.......

I ask again what does that have to do with his mate?

Looks like BS to me.

Kind of wondering why i went along with this guy.

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Ive seen that one before.

What has that that got to do with your mate?

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I havent read the full thread above As it seems to have lost the plot.

The foid courts usually take around 30% flat rate from sales. No rent payable. So the card makes it very easy to calculate and manage cash

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Banzai has gone for a beer, happy in the knowledge his mate is home safe and cared for.

Who cares now. His mates life is his own. Maybe he will overcome his probs and come back to his good friends in thailand.

I wish him all the best anyway.

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A totally unsatisfactory arrangement. Bin the girlfriend before you find yourself in a lot of trouble.

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