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1 hour ago, robblok said:

I believe it was never really here in the first place. (Democracy). There has always been a form of Thai democracy but it was hardly a full version of democracy with real checks and balances.

 

The 20 year plan is crazy if its too strict, though planning a bit further ahead would not be a bad thing for stuff like watermanagement (Prayut has neglected it). Seems like every government comes up with new plans for the flooding but it never survives a next government. These kind of things should be in such a plan.  What Prayut puts into it is just too restrictive.

 

It would be nice if they could decrease army spending and abolish the draft as been suggested. 

I believe it was never really here in the first place. (Democracy). There has always been a form of Thai democracy but it was hardly a full version of democracy with real checks and balances.

exactly

no seatbelt. I guess no check for alcohol and drugs.

I guess   those Thai "drivers" don't even need alcohol or drugs to achieve their outstanding driving performance.

1 hour ago, Kieran00001 said:

I also believe in 'an eye for an eye'.  An eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth, and we shall all be blind and toothless.

 

But I am asking what punishment you see fit, I am asking you how you would proceed following an innocent court verdict.  Are you saying that all women who have made a rape allegation that has not resulted in a guilty verdict should be automatically put on trial?

 

 

Easy. When the police or coroner investigate after a claim was made, they always have to investigate completely - the man, his claims and proofs and the woman, her claims and proofs. Sometimes it will be easy, sometimes not.

After that it would be clear from the beginning whom to to accuse.

Because they have to do with one of two crimes: Rape or false accusing.

For the woman the event is over, if she has been raped. Cannot be undone. The man is in danger for a big undeserved suffering if he is innocent - and that could be prevented.

Women deserve to be protected, but with this goes responsibility. Men have to be protected, too.

37 minutes ago, Kieran00001 said:

 

Are you saying that all women who claimed to have been raped but the courts could not prove that she was beyond all reasonable grounds should be seen as guilty of making a false allegation?

You are not biased, are you?

In case you wrote your answer  without reading my post - here it is again:

" They have to be aware that they will (be) severely punished if they are proven to have claimed rape wrongly. "

5 minutes ago, BigT73 said:

not a question of naiveity, if you were with a overly drunk girl would you take advantage of that or be a gentleman and take her home? None of us were there its just his word....

... and just her word

2 hours ago, Kieran00001 said:

 

If it can be proven to have been a false allegation then they should be charged, but you can't just hand out sentences to everyone who accuses someone but the court fails to get a conviction, many many guilty people walk free and that would mean many many victims being punished.  We need women to be confident in pressing charges against rapists, not fearing that they could go to prison if the court fails to reach a verdict.

"We need women to be confident in pressing charges against rapists," 

comment: yes against real rapists

but  fearing that they will have to go to prison if it is proven that their claim was wrong

They should also know that police or coroner will not only check the man but the woman as well.

"We need women to be confident in pressing charges against rapists, not fearing that they could go to prison if the court fails to reach a verdict."

No way. Too many men have suffered remand prison or even conviction for false rape claims. They have to be aware that they will severely punished if they are proven to have claimed rape wrongly.  Same as men when the rape can be proven.

Any woman can claim a rape for whatever reasons and the man accused will be in (remand) prison immidiately even if innocent. And this normally means months. They might lose their work or their business or their spouse even in developed countries. Even if their innocence is proven and the verdict is not guilty.

The claim to be raped is a sharp wepon in the hand of women. Not only men can be criminal and dishonest. We hear of many cases when women cut the penis of their husband in Thailand. Sending him to jail by false claim might be another option.

hopefully he will not fall out of the 10th floor

1 hour ago, PREM-R said:

Any here we see the true extent of the damage caused by the Junta.  Interpol and the international community now will not accept, at face value, any, even legitimate requests to repatriate Thai citizens to their home country.   Thaksin and Yingluck are free to travel around the world, even ASEAN countries will not apprehend them.  The Thai courts had little credibility in the past, now they have none at all..... Thanks to the Junta!

" The Thai courts had little credibility in the past, now they have none at all..... Thanks to the Junta!"

You are free to see it this way, but the truth is :

The Germans just follow standard procedures.

Nothing to do with the Juna.

"  . . .  Thailand under a military government is simply not trusted to deliver justice or fairness to its own accused citizens."

Neither could the governments before  be trusted to deliver justice or fairness.

The Western countries should understand that.

I am not defending the military government. There is just no difference.

I am afraid the next democratic elections would only bring the criminal earlier "democratic" government back.

At least they would be democratically elected - to continue their selfish undemocratic agenda

shouldn't she be in a remand prison for suspicion of attempted murder?

... when I think about the sex workers I read about in TV recently who are hold for weeks because there might have been a victim of human trafficking in their bar - well understood: not their victim

Thai police had informed many foreign countries via Interpol that Phra Phrommedhi (now known only as Chamnong Dhammajari) was a wanted fugitive. 

Hurray ! They know how to do it!

So now we can expect to see the red bull killer soon in a Thai prison. Not?

....they know not what they do ....

1 minute ago, ChrisY1 said:

I would imagine only in this high profile case where the international community have protested the bias in the system here.

It'll be business as usual tomorrow!

pessimist

So many posts about strokes and dvt.

This one thing is important to know:

If you have symptoms which could be  a stroke (for instance weakness of one side of the body, problems speaking, loss of vision, problems to walk - I am not talking of being drunk ?) 

hurry  (or let you take quickly ) to the next good standard hospital (with a CT Scanner and  with a stroke unit if possible)

Why?

There is a so called 4 hour window. If a stroke is treated within these 4 hours there is a good chance for full and swift recovery by dissolving the clot.

 If you are late you might not recover or it will take much longer. May be that woman got that kind of treatment.

Who is at risk? Among others people   who are  bedridden because of an injury or operation. People with arrhythmia (irregular heartbeat) Women on the pill. 

DVT is not a risk for a stroke (if there isn't) that persisting whole in the heart - which is rare.

But DVT is a risk for a deadly pulmonary embolism. 

"The boy's father was arrested and told police he had left his son alone to go shopping and returned home later than planned because he was playing Pokemon Go, an enhanced reality game, on his smartphone.

 

"His behaviour constitutes an offence, failing to honour parental responsibilities, which carries a possible sentence of two years in jail,"

Thai laws and 

the mother of the four children who recently fell from the balcony in Thailand

comes to mind

not arrested and expecting no punishment

1 hour ago, tracker1 said:

Apparently No problems before hand Hmmmm

how do you know?

cudos to the tech people who were able to lift the truck and get the driver out.

Didn't expect that much skill in LOS

Hope he will survive without remaining health problems

5 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Kim is undoubtedly playing poker.

 

Shame the US has a weak President who tries to bluff after already exposing his empty little hand.

... you mean his diplomatic hand is empty

"The other youths then fled the scene."

Hopefully not without checking if they could help.

And may they be cured from their insanity from now on.

How much is too much for a lost loved one?

But we also have to compare with what is normal in a country

and what was the fault of the defendant

I feel sorry for the family  but 

I wonder if greed is the bigger motive than grief