zhangxifu

RIP Ubon Joe. Thanks for the meaningful advice.

Yes, what is the present situation at Sadao regarding the same day return?

Hi!

What are the steps for 30 days extension of stay these days in Bangkok? Appointment booking, tm30 needed? Location Laksi IT-mall?

What about in Hat Yai? Same? Doable?

I have to ask here as the internet seems broken with so many conflicting and incomplete advice. I haven't been to Thailand for years and the last time (stayed for about ten years), I was always on NON-IMM visas and just did border runs if got bored. Now I'm going for a 39 day holiday and wish to keep the hours doing the extension minimal. I was planning for a border run to Sadao but prefer the resort on the Thai side and will not stay a night in Malaysia so will probably just have to take care of the extension in BKK. Any advice? Thanks!

Thanks to OP for sharing the experience! Good that you explained the family aspect and the problem got solved easily. That confirms their recent behaviour. Immigration targets longtime stays on tourist visas. After you go official with your relationship to your future wife and register the marriage there won't be any more problems for you to enter Thailand with the Non-O visas and you can stay as long as you like, with your family of course. Congrats!

1 hour ago, AAArdvark said:

I just did a topic like this yesterday.  I had one question that has gone unanswered that I will ask again here.

Once you fill it in and submit it, how do you know if was accepted?  When I did it, the form just went blank and I wasn't given any indication at all.

You can go to Search TM30, search by the date within seven day window, anything longer won´t work. Take a screen shot and print it. That´s the only receipt available.

The check-out date can be left blank. Depends on your plans I guess.

He wasn’t allowed to choose where he wanted to fly. Had to use same airlines and they only fly to Ukraine. Also there are no direct flights from Bangkok to Lithuania so the only option was Ukraine (the connecting flight). They chose for him and were not considering any other options. Only home country or where he boarded his flight to Bangkok.
I would like to know too when and how other people get to choose where to fly by themselves.



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Everyone here knows about this requirement. I've always travelled everywhere around the world with a good chunk of cash on me just in case I can't get to an ATM for a few days or there is some banking issue and I can't use one of my cards.
 
The issue here is people who are not familiar with the regulations, these are the people who are getting caught out and rejected.
 
The reason they're not familiar with the regulations is because they're so unusual.
 
Having said that I've never been asked to show any cash when entering the country anywhere, ever.

For all unaware of Thailands entry requirements, including show some cash, quite a lot actually. Please stop complaining. Grow up. And do your homework! Google it if you have to.


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If you live in a TVF world maybe it’s well known. If your coming here a second time on a Tourist Visa or METV and don’t live on this forum or frequent it regularly or know someone who does you would never know this stupid pathetic draconian rule. It’s silly to carry a lot of cash in this soon to be cashless world. 

21 hours ago, BritTim said:

I generally believe posts like yours until there is good reason to suspect something. However, immigration does not have the power to void visas. Perhaps, there is a problem in communication, but (if this report is not a complete fabrication) immigration is ignoring the visa, not cancelling it.

 

If your friend was not carrying cash, immigration can validly deny entry under Section 12 (9).

The tourist didn´t have 20k THB with him. All else is useless speculation and totally irrelevant. What a useless post from the OP.

10 hours ago, Leaver said:

On 7/10/2019 at 3:12 PM, zhangxifu said:

The point was that it is common custom to include id and tb in the rental contract. As with out id it's not legally binding. So now you have another reason to ask for these docs, TM30 and make sure you get them while making a rental contract. Or if not available, choose another property, yes. Easy!

Ummm, I think that's what I said.

 

No documents for a TM30 = no tenant.

That's right! That's what you said. And that's why I said yes. I also said that this is another new and good reason for everyone to inquire why the copies of ID and TB are not attached with the lease, if the case. To begin with, if you are in any kind of contract without ID copy your contract might be just full of made up data. Please notice I said it might, there is a possibility. Also, when inquired and refused the docs in question, that would be know too, so no confusion.

5 hours ago, Scouse123 said:

 

A quick question.

 

I might not understand this TM30 correct but I thought they wanted to know within 24 hours?

 

How would that fly if you are sending in TM30 by mail?

No fine possible. I know of people who send the letter at the airport, immediately after arriving.

On 6/23/2019 at 5:54 PM, stevenl said:

I received a refund in my wallet and was after discussions able to activate the wallet and pay for an order with the wallet.

So your wallet was activated and works normally because you got some refund money there and you complaint? Now it remains active and you can top it up and use it? I guess I need to receive a refund as well.

7 hours ago, Rawairat said:

I managed to get a sign on and a password earlier this year and have just come back and filled in the registration thru the TM30 app on an andriod tablet. I did not upload a copy of my passport, forgot, and hit the submit button. It has been submitted and shows up on a search, not sure what happens next?

Has anyone successfully submitted a registration online and do they acknowledge it , also if I needed to add a copy of my passport will they tell me?

There is no need to submit any documents after the initial registration that give you the logins. When you file a TM30 in online system you will simply input the data and submit. You should take screenshot of the search result as that is the only receipt you will have.

14 minutes ago, elviajero said:

As I explained, self reporting can satisfy the reporting law, but may not satisfy a report required as part of an extension application. 

 

It is my OPINION. End of.

Anybody's opinion is a terrible advice. By experience can we gain knowledge.

3 minutes ago, elviajero said:

I gave opinion, based on years of experience, in answer to a direct question.

 

Immigration are using the TM.30 in two ways:

1. To comply with the law when someone arrives at a property. Often they are happy that the alien self-reports;

2. As confirmation of address when applying for an extension of stay. Often offices insist this is a third party, and in most cases that it’s the owner.

 

So, IMO, there is a high chance that the applicant self-reporting will not be accepted even though it satisfies (1.), because the purpose of the report when applying for an extension (2.) is confirmation of the address by a third party.

 

But people have been self filing for months now at CW and it IS accepted. Nobody has years of experience on TM30. How many have you filed? What is your experience? You write like you knew something about this, only to satisfy your own imagination.

10 minutes ago, Leaver said:

6 hours ago, zhangxifu said:

For any contract to be lawful in Thailand it must contain copies of ID's and be written in thai language. In case of rental contract location's TB would make sense as well.

Immigration don't care if your contract is lawful, or not.  Either do the police.  They are not the Internal Revenue Department, they are Immigration.  They require property owners or foreigners to report the address at which a foreigner resides. 

 

If the owner refuses to do this, due to laziness, or out of concern the information will flag at the Internal Revenue Department, and the owner also refuses to supply the foreigner with documents, so they can arrange a TM30, then the foreigner should seriously consider choosing another property.  

The point was that it is common custom to include id and tb in the rental contract. As with out id it's not legally binding. So now you have another reason to ask for these docs, TM30 and make sure you get them while making a rental contract. Or if not available, choose another property, yes. Easy!

4 hours ago, ThomasThBKK said:

Point us to the law that says contracts have to be written in Thai script, there is none. I pointed to laws that even state otherwise.

It would be simply impossible to do any business in Thailand if foreign contracts are not valid.

 

Do you think japanese toyota workers, real estate buyers etc. sign thai language contracts? lololol. Can't make that shit up.

You already have.

1 minute ago, ThomasThBKK said:

You are not worth discussing with, you just make stuff up, should work at Thai Gov.

This is false.

10 minutes ago, AJBangkok said:

I did my TM30 at Changwattana last week, I have my own condo but I saw that they were accepting TM30 forms with a rental contract ( in English ) as possessor. I also spoke to people who were doing it this way. You need to fill the TM30 out as possessor and include copies of your rental agreement, your TM6 card, and pages from your passport with your details, your visa, and your entry stamp. If you have had a previous extension then to be safe include that page as well. The dates you should use on the schedule are the date of your original entry as start date and the  Date your original entry was granted until as your end date. ( it doesn’t matter if you are still living there as the dates need to match your original entry stamp.

 

you need to pay 800 baht fine as well.

 

You will be at section B which is and absolute total zoo. The staff are completely overwhelmed and from what I experienced focused on getting them processed as fast as possible rather than anything else.

 

you will have a lot of time to chat with people as the line is huge and you see people with English rental agreements everywhere.

Thank you for your report. That is how CW has instructed people this year. ((Elseviere has forseen that you won't get an extension with that TM30 though.)) I would recommend online reporting registration for everyone.

1 hour ago, ThomasThBKK said:

Absolute rubbish, contracts can be valid in whatever language the parties understand, id copies also have zero todo with validity of contracts.

The only restriction is that real estate contracts shall be in written form and they can't break the consumer protection laws/other laws.

 

You probably bought a car without the ownership documents. No ID's or registration book needed. Right?

7 minutes ago, ThomasThBKK said:

51 minutes ago, zhangxifu said:

Thailand has one official language and that is Thai. Sorry for anyone doing business with you.

Once again absolute rubbish. Hope no one does business with you.

 

http://www.thailandntr.com/en/trade-in-services/laws/organization/download/8?file=Law_TIS_10_EN.pdf

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Section 14 Whenever a document is executed in two versions, one in the Thai language, the other in another language, and there are discrepancies between the two versions, and it cannot be ascertained which version was intended to govern, the document executed in the Thai language shall govern.

 

 

 

A pure thai contract between a Thai and a Chinese/German whatever, who doesn't understand Thai would be invalid.

 

https://www.thaicontracts.com/ask/26-thai-contracts-content/39-does-a-contract-in-thailand-has-to-be-in-thai-language.html

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Under Thai contract law the parties to the contract must both have the same understanding of the terms of the agreement. This is essential for the contract to be valid. The wording in both languages must be confirm the intentions of the parties.

 

http://www.thailand-business-law-center.com/thailand-contracts/

Foreign language contracts simply get translated to Thai in case of going to court, like in every other normal country...

 

 

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In normal business law practice in Thailand, contracts require 2 competent witnesses. For acceptance by Thai court,Thailand contracts must either be originally drafted in Thai language or must be translated in Thai language.

 

 

Exactly what I said. In Thai. Stop spreading false information.

7 minutes ago, ThomasThBKK said:

27 minutes ago, zhangxifu said:

For any contract to be lawful in Thailand it must contain copies of ID's and be written in thai language. In case of rental contract location's TB would make sense as well.

Absolute rubbish, contracts can be valid in whatever language the parties understand, id copies also have zero todo with validity of contracts.

The only restriction is that real estate contracts shall be in written form and they can't break the consumer protection laws/other laws.

Thailand has one official language and that is Thai. Sorry for anyone doing business with you.

9 hours ago, MeePeeMai said:

yea sure - Lease agreement, copy of landlord's Thai ID and a copy of landlord's House Book (Tabian ban) are all needed for a TM30 report (at my local Immigration Office).  Missing one or the other will result in a "mai dai"  ... makes sense to me.

Shouldn't that be the TB of location you are renting, not the TB the landlord is in.