zhangxifu

2 hours ago, SS1 said:

"The family of a thirteen year old boy who caused a serious accident in Chiang Mai"

 

Are they serious? There is some idiot cutting sideways across the highway and is 100% in the wrong. Sure, a 13 year old shouldn't be riding a 1000cc in traffic and he was pretty fast too, but giving him 100% blame on the accident? Nodoby seems to be questioning "Suphalat" cutting across on central road markings, in the middle of a highway. 

 

Can you see that yellow island on the road? It's called the safe zone, for pedestrians and vehicles both to stop at to cross the road. It's a market are for cs. Lot's of thai's don't get it too here but everyone ought to slow down at market cos there's a lot going on in there. That's how you get reckless driving charges up if you don't slow down near markets, at intersections, etc. 

On 6/23/2019 at 5:54 PM, stevenl said:

I received a refund in my wallet and was after discussions able to activate the wallet and pay for an order with the wallet.

So your wallet was activated and works normally because you got some refund money there and you complaint? Now it remains active and you can top it up and use it? I guess I need to receive a refund as well.

7 hours ago, Rawairat said:

I managed to get a sign on and a password earlier this year and have just come back and filled in the registration thru the TM30 app on an andriod tablet. I did not upload a copy of my passport, forgot, and hit the submit button. It has been submitted and shows up on a search, not sure what happens next?

Has anyone successfully submitted a registration online and do they acknowledge it , also if I needed to add a copy of my passport will they tell me?

There is no need to submit any documents after the initial registration that give you the logins. When you file a TM30 in online system you will simply input the data and submit. You should take screenshot of the search result as that is the only receipt you will have.

14 minutes ago, elviajero said:

As I explained, self reporting can satisfy the reporting law, but may not satisfy a report required as part of an extension application. 

 

It is my OPINION. End of.

Anybody's opinion is a terrible advice. By experience can we gain knowledge.

3 minutes ago, elviajero said:

I gave opinion, based on years of experience, in answer to a direct question.

 

Immigration are using the TM.30 in two ways:

1. To comply with the law when someone arrives at a property. Often they are happy that the alien self-reports;

2. As confirmation of address when applying for an extension of stay. Often offices insist this is a third party, and in most cases that it’s the owner.

 

So, IMO, there is a high chance that the applicant self-reporting will not be accepted even though it satisfies (1.), because the purpose of the report when applying for an extension (2.) is confirmation of the address by a third party.

 

But people have been self filing for months now at CW and it IS accepted. Nobody has years of experience on TM30. How many have you filed? What is your experience? You write like you knew something about this, only to satisfy your own imagination.

10 minutes ago, Leaver said:

6 hours ago, zhangxifu said:

For any contract to be lawful in Thailand it must contain copies of ID's and be written in thai language. In case of rental contract location's TB would make sense as well.

Immigration don't care if your contract is lawful, or not.  Either do the police.  They are not the Internal Revenue Department, they are Immigration.  They require property owners or foreigners to report the address at which a foreigner resides. 

 

If the owner refuses to do this, due to laziness, or out of concern the information will flag at the Internal Revenue Department, and the owner also refuses to supply the foreigner with documents, so they can arrange a TM30, then the foreigner should seriously consider choosing another property.  

The point was that it is common custom to include id and tb in the rental contract. As with out id it's not legally binding. So now you have another reason to ask for these docs, TM30 and make sure you get them while making a rental contract. Or if not available, choose another property, yes. Easy!

4 hours ago, ThomasThBKK said:

Point us to the law that says contracts have to be written in Thai script, there is none. I pointed to laws that even state otherwise.

It would be simply impossible to do any business in Thailand if foreign contracts are not valid.

 

Do you think japanese toyota workers, real estate buyers etc. sign thai language contracts? lololol. Can't make that shit up.

You already have.

1 minute ago, ThomasThBKK said:

You are not worth discussing with, you just make stuff up, should work at Thai Gov.

This is false.

10 minutes ago, AJBangkok said:

I did my TM30 at Changwattana last week, I have my own condo but I saw that they were accepting TM30 forms with a rental contract ( in English ) as possessor. I also spoke to people who were doing it this way. You need to fill the TM30 out as possessor and include copies of your rental agreement, your TM6 card, and pages from your passport with your details, your visa, and your entry stamp. If you have had a previous extension then to be safe include that page as well. The dates you should use on the schedule are the date of your original entry as start date and the  Date your original entry was granted until as your end date. ( it doesn’t matter if you are still living there as the dates need to match your original entry stamp.

 

you need to pay 800 baht fine as well.

 

You will be at section B which is and absolute total zoo. The staff are completely overwhelmed and from what I experienced focused on getting them processed as fast as possible rather than anything else.

 

you will have a lot of time to chat with people as the line is huge and you see people with English rental agreements everywhere.

Thank you for your report. That is how CW has instructed people this year. ((Elseviere has forseen that you won't get an extension with that TM30 though.)) I would recommend online reporting registration for everyone.

1 hour ago, ThomasThBKK said:

Absolute rubbish, contracts can be valid in whatever language the parties understand, id copies also have zero todo with validity of contracts.

The only restriction is that real estate contracts shall be in written form and they can't break the consumer protection laws/other laws.

 

You probably bought a car without the ownership documents. No ID's or registration book needed. Right?

7 minutes ago, ThomasThBKK said:

51 minutes ago, zhangxifu said:

Thailand has one official language and that is Thai. Sorry for anyone doing business with you.

Once again absolute rubbish. Hope no one does business with you.

 

http://www.thailandntr.com/en/trade-in-services/laws/organization/download/8?file=Law_TIS_10_EN.pdf

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Section 14 Whenever a document is executed in two versions, one in the Thai language, the other in another language, and there are discrepancies between the two versions, and it cannot be ascertained which version was intended to govern, the document executed in the Thai language shall govern.

 

 

 

A pure thai contract between a Thai and a Chinese/German whatever, who doesn't understand Thai would be invalid.

 

https://www.thaicontracts.com/ask/26-thai-contracts-content/39-does-a-contract-in-thailand-has-to-be-in-thai-language.html

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Under Thai contract law the parties to the contract must both have the same understanding of the terms of the agreement. This is essential for the contract to be valid. The wording in both languages must be confirm the intentions of the parties.

 

http://www.thailand-business-law-center.com/thailand-contracts/

Foreign language contracts simply get translated to Thai in case of going to court, like in every other normal country...

 

 

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In normal business law practice in Thailand, contracts require 2 competent witnesses. For acceptance by Thai court,Thailand contracts must either be originally drafted in Thai language or must be translated in Thai language.

 

 

Exactly what I said. In Thai. Stop spreading false information.

7 minutes ago, ThomasThBKK said:

27 minutes ago, zhangxifu said:

For any contract to be lawful in Thailand it must contain copies of ID's and be written in thai language. In case of rental contract location's TB would make sense as well.

Absolute rubbish, contracts can be valid in whatever language the parties understand, id copies also have zero todo with validity of contracts.

The only restriction is that real estate contracts shall be in written form and they can't break the consumer protection laws/other laws.

Thailand has one official language and that is Thai. Sorry for anyone doing business with you.

9 hours ago, MeePeeMai said:

yea sure - Lease agreement, copy of landlord's Thai ID and a copy of landlord's House Book (Tabian ban) are all needed for a TM30 report (at my local Immigration Office).  Missing one or the other will result in a "mai dai"  ... makes sense to me.

Shouldn't that be the TB of location you are renting, not the TB the landlord is in.

12 hours ago, elviajero said:

13 hours ago, DrJack54 said:

? So your saying I can do a tm30 tomorrow as possessor (pay fine if required) obtain a receipt, then a week later I return for annual extension they want a tm30 completed by owner and the receipt I have is useless??

Where you file tm30 is separate from extension area. They either accept tm30 as possessor in person at CW or they do not. Which one?

Yes I believe that is entirely possible.

 

It’s still too early to know what CW want, when and by whom.

Every day imagining new things CW wants next week. That is not very helpful!

9 hours ago, DrJack54 said:

9 hours ago, Leaver said:

It seems that we are now at the stage where foreigners renting property should demand a copy of the owner's Thai ID before signing a lease, and this should be told to an agent as well. 

 

No documents for a TM30 = no tenant = no money for owner.

 

 

That's possible. However it assumes imm has connection to revenue gov office. My guess its an imm driven thing at CW at least.

Side issue is very nice kickback. Many reports of 800baht fine

For any contract to be lawful in Thailand it must contain copies of ID's and be written in thai language. In case of rental contract location's TB would make sense as well.

8 hours ago, Smokegreynblues said:

wrong. I never exited the country , still my last TM 30 was at  a hotel in Koh chang at immigration's computer and was told it is invalid and my landlord needed to file one when i came back from there. 

That’s very interesting. Could you please tell us where was this immigration office and what happened? Did they fine you? Did he look back to history of your TM30 reports to confirm your home was registered previously? Did you show him your receipt for TM30 for your home you had done previously? Did they just stamp that receipt or did you have to redo they whole TM30 form? Thanks!

On 7/8/2019 at 6:01 PM, richiejom said:

If I go and ask to open a new account in this province I bet they have you for the new bankbook and debit card cost then

 

This is why I only use my Thai bank to withdraw small amounts of cash for the few things I need it for...  Electricity, Internet and most shopping gets paid by App with my Transferwise fee free Mastercard (works at 7/11, Tesco etc etc) I signed up here and had relatives post it to me in Thailand

 

I'm looking into a way to get cash to my Thai bank within 2 hours with no fees as well using a Thai Fintech app.. I'll report back

 

Would they have kept your Samui Bangkok bank account or would it have been a completely new one? as its an inconvenience to open a completely new one..you must be annoyed... I want to get local status for my existing Krung Thai not have to get all new login details.. its a pain to avoid fees 

 

Also even if it’s same bank they will still charge you that one per mille for inter provincial transfer! They will simply withdraw it and cash deposit at the new branch your at. You can do the transfer for no cost with the app but its only 50k per time so might take a while. I would recommend looking at the nob thai banks Citi and UOB. I have a UOB debit card with better insurance deal than thai banks offer and can withdraw cash for free in every province. Also in Malaysia, Singapore and Indonesia. 

5 hours ago, Farma said:

6 hours ago, wreckingcountry said:

So we can register the TM30 online


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Yes and it works well. My wife registered a few weeks ago. It took 2 weeks rather than the 7 days quoted on their website for her log in email to arrive.

 

Once set up, reporting me was easy.

Now the registration for it has got jammed though and people have been waiting close to two months for it, but it should eventually come through.

10 hours ago, Scouse123 said:

 

No,

 

Since an email saying I had successfully registered I have received nothing regards password or anything for login.

Did that email you got ask you to confirm your email address and did you click the link?

9 minutes ago, elviajero said:

Most private residencies do not have access to the online system and, if reporting, use the paper one form which doesn’t have a departure date.

 

Again and regardless, a leaving date does not tell immigration where you are staying having left that address. And that break is only closed when a new TM.30 is submitted.

 

Seriously, I suggest that you go talk with CW to clear this instead of spreading fear and rumour here. The truth is that most people using CW have not encountered the faith you are fear mongering here.

20 minutes ago, Scouse123 said:

 

No,

 

Since an email saying I had successfully registered I have received nothing regards password or anything for login.

All that sounds like you have registered to 90 days reporting.

The notify.residence system only ever replied me with one email that has username and password used to login to file TM30. 

7 minutes ago, elviajero said:

If you want to stop a discussion or debate it’s best not to keep replying.

 

Yes it does.

 

The local address system that is updated every 90 days hasn’t changed BUT the national system still has you at the hotel. 

 

In order for the national record (TM.30) to be correct someone at the address you are now staying at should submit a TM.30 so the national record is updated. If it isn’t that record will only be updated the next time you stay elsewhere, or make a 90 day report and only then if the office update both databases.

 

The fact that you have returned to the address held on the local database is irrelevant to the TM.30 requirements or records.

 

The immigration system has at least three databases that I know of and the local and national databases are not fully linked. The laws are 40 years old and not fit for purpose, and as the databases are not linked “brainless” is a good description.

And you know this because Johnny at the Jacks bar told you so???

Following your reasoning CW should be collecting huge amounts in fines, especially after they have instructed everyone to not report after hotel stays. Please show us these people they have now got scammed and fined. Otherwise it's just your private conspiracy theory.

2 minutes ago, possum1931 said:

I do not have internet explorer.

Neither do I. I am on MacOS and Chrome and never had a single issue on reporting online. You have seem to have got caught to another rumor circulating in these forums.

15 minutes ago, brewsterbudgen said:

Admittedly it was over a month ago, but returning from overseas was certainly mentioned as one teacher had a trip home planned.

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That is interesting. I would play safe and redo TM30 when new TM6 as the TM6 is a big part of the reporting. It's very fast to file TM30 online after the initial registration. Or better yet go do at office and see what they think about not doing it.

9 hours ago, Tanoshi said:

10 hours ago, AAArdvark said:

They are telling me that neither the owner or the agent has it?  If no one has it how am I supposed to do TM-30s?  Would the condo management ever have it?

It's the Provincial Amphoe that issue the book.

 

If the owner was never issued the book, then he needs to ask his lawyer why not?

The agent acting on behalf of the owner should be able to obtain it from the Amphoe.

It's not your responsibility to chase it up.

 

If your contract states your responsible to file the TM30, but neither the agent or owner can supply you with the required documents, then they're in breach of the contract.

Threaten to withhold the rent until one of them complies …… that should get things moving!

 

Without the house registration number you can't submit online.

In person or by post, Immigration may accept a copy of your rental contract.

What did the agent use to file the first TM30, or was it the Condo management who filed it, if so they could well have a copy of the Tabien Baan.

How could they have electricity meter if there is no house code number and TB? Not sure how long it takes to issue the blue book but there must be another document with the house code as it must have been issued as the location was given residential status and address?