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No, but he is overall in charge - oh sorry, that's only applicable to Yingluck.

Anyway, he said that the microphones have been removed............................ haven't they?

Yingluck isn't being impeached because she was "overall in charge". She is being impeached because she was directly in charge.

Nothing like being a pedant, I suppose.

Overall:

Taking everything into account:

"the governors and head have overall responsibility for managing the school"

"the overall effect is impressive"

How do you compare the two issues? Yingluck was DIRECTLY in charge of the rice scheme as she was the head of the rice committee. That's why she has been charged. She wasn't changed because she was PM "overall in charge".

I didn't mention anything about the rice scheme or impeachment - that is your inference. I was referring to the constant harping on here that Yingluck is directly responsible for everything perceived to be bad, likewise Thaksin and jokingly relating that to the O'cha predicament. Presumably you were upset enough by that to reply so pedantically............................

Quite correct.

You will never get substance from some here. They hold a "belief" over "facts" ethos.

The closest they get to "facts" is loopholes!

When it comes to Prayut I have also noticed that no matter what he does the "doom and gloomers" that only support the majority when the majority agree with them (perfect example being the majority backing Prayut so ignore that majority and pretend they don't) will denounce him.

When thaksin sells land he is innocent. When Prayut's father does he is guilty.

That is called PTP logic.

And to argue the "red shirts" favorite defense for when the PTP did business dealings that reached media scrutiny…….."They declared their assets so they did nothing wrong"

Muppets!

Thaksin didn't sell land. I can only presume you are referring to his wife buying land in a sealed bid auction. Now that is a fact, sfa all to do with your notion of "PTP logic".

No, but he is overall in charge - oh sorry, that's only applicable to Yingluck.

Anyway, he said that the microphones have been removed............................ haven't they?

Yingluck isn't being impeached because she was "overall in charge". She is being impeached because she was directly in charge.

Nothing like being a pedant, I suppose.

Overall:

Taking everything into account:

"the governors and head have overall responsibility for managing the school"

"the overall effect is impressive"

Who ordered the microphones? What proof have you that they are still in use?

Doesn't matter who ordered them, it was ordered by the current government, and the head of government is responsible, or does that only counts for the PTP government?

There were reports with pictures on this forum as little as 2-3 days ago that they are still not removed

Was Prayuth the head of the committee dealing with the renovations and purchases?

No, but he is overall in charge - oh sorry, that's only applicable to Yingluck.

Anyway, he said that the microphones have been removed............................ haven't they?

BANGKOK, 16 September 2014 (NNT) – Prime Minister Prayuth Chan-ocha presided over the first official cabinet meeting today at Government House.

During the meeting, General Prayuth said an investigation has been launched over the controversial state purchase of allegedly overpriced conference room microphones at the Government House. All new microphones have been removed from conference rooms pending the conclusion of the probe.

http://www.chiangmai-mail.com/update2014-news/news_sep3.shtml

RE Eric Loh #29

Who, me, a troll?

I am asking YOU the question as YOU are the one who is bleating on and on about Chuan and the Democrats and an "alleged fire sale" and not me.

All I am asking is if you KNOW that has been going on and YOU have the proof then do something about it instead of posting unsubstantiated rumours as usual and trying badly to deflect the topic.

In basic English. Put your money where your mouth is. If you cannot then cease and desist your ceaseless drivel.

My ceaseless drivel is a reply to your senseless innuedos. Do I have proof? There were enough proofs for the DSI to level 10 charges on questionable transactions, irregularities and broken rules. Said all that in my post but you chose to continue to troll. I tell you what is unsubstantiated. That is the rumor of Thaksin crates of USD shipping out. That's from your fellow junta supporter. Why don't you question him for proof?

I can't find any information on those "10 charges" leveled by the DSI. Do you any links to some information on any of them?

Some background here and mention of "10 instances of irregularities by the FRA board members in the case involving Layman Brother Holdings and Global Thai Property."

http://cloud-computing.tmcnet.com/news/2006/11/17/2088416.htm

Come now, if there wasn't any resentment or undertones Martial Law would be lifted !!

But it must be comforting to know that 93% of the population are still under Martial Law because Of the 7% !!!!

Quite correct.

The fact is that the minority fanatics kill innocent protestors. Minority fanatics kill innocent women and children. It is the minority fanatics who march. It is the minority fanatics who intimidate, condescend, belittle anyone that has a different view point. It is the minority fanatics that threaten to behead themselves without a second thought.

Peace loving Thai's have died because the peaceful majority did not speak up until it was too late. This can also be said in Germany, Iraq, Palestine, Syria, Somalia etc etc.

PM Prayut heard the voice of the majority and acted. He is speaking up for the silent majority lest the vocal violent minority replicate what happened in Bangkok and Trat on nearly a daily basis. History has shown it is not the majority we should fear. It is the minority.

Well done Haggis for highlighting this and thanks.

PM Prayut heard the voice of the majority and acted.

One has to be pretty deluded to gauge the popularity of a spent political movement on a photograph of a few thousand people as in above.

When one has no tangible evidence to support their argument and ALL evidence is showing otherwise photos and "All the people I know support red" is the only arguments they have left.

Of course one could use that argument to suggest the PDRC are not a spent force and in fact the most popular movement going by the photo below and in fact if we use this desperate narrative to argue a majority then the PDRC actually had numbers at a protest site that the ed shirts could only dream of.

Of course I don't look at photo's or argue "all the people I know" to judge a majority. I look at facts and evidence.

If I had the red mindset Australia's majority would be sheep!

Lets hope Prayut has a PEACEFUL and constructive visit to Isaan. I for one look forward to seeing him in Khon Kaen and I take great solace in the fact that me and my family will be safe from any violence unlike when Ahbisit came to visit Khon Kaen and the reds threatened my family.

One has to be pretty deluded to gauge the popularity of a spent political movement on a photograph of a few thousand people as in above.

but constantly posting spurious claims about support for the junta and the self appointed PM, based on results of polls conducted by the Thai Researchers in Community Happiness Association is a perfectly reasonable act?

Mmmm, OK.......................................

Mmmm, the man in charge of the military's crackdown on protesters in 2010 whose urban protest clearance tactics included the use of snipers marksmen and live fire zones, states that his handpicked NLA are to promulgate a law that will dictate "how authorities can deal with protesters"......................

What could possibly go wrong?.................................

the police won't enforce them, maybe?

Not that old chestnut, I suggest you do a bit more research and take the apocryphal tales you read on here with a bushel of salt...............................

This is fantastic news.

Slowly slowly the thai media are putting their big toe in the water and testing it and the not only Thailand get an insight into the junta and how things are done.

We have a poster on here who is now protesting every headline or photo that shows the junta in a tainted light so I can just imagine how the junta must be feeling.

The junta attitude adjustment is backfiring and their promise of transparency is just another empty piece of propaganda..

Con graduations to the journalists to have the guts to ask such questions and if the it that touchy over that one then throw a few more!

Congratulations in abundance are also due to one Ms. Atiya Achakulwisut for her article in the Bangkok Post today. I recommend a read even if I can't link to the article in question. An erudite piece, that should be required reading for certain people on here...................................

Good answer from the Premier.......

Well no it is not.

He is a PM and as such he is open to all sorts of questions including his personal life.

But when the question look like to a personal attack against his family !

Would you like to compare his "press" with that of the Shinawatra family, particularly Yingluck? Personal attack? You're 'aving a laff!

He said people could have symbolic gatherings as long as they were peaceful, and that differing opinions were acceptable as long as they were free of conflict.

Unless they're "peaceful symbolic gatherings" against the coup, even if it was the 2006 coup, apparently....................................

About 100 of police officers on Friday have been deployed at the “Uncle Nuamthong Pedestrian Bridge” since around 7am to prevent democracy lovers from commemorating the suicide of the taxi drivers, who hanged himself at the bridge to protest against the 2006 military coup.

The police said under the martial law, imposed all over the kingdom, no one is allowed to hold anti-coup activity, including this one -- related to the coup eight years ago

http://www.prachatai.com/english/node/4457

Ah I can see it now, Thailand, the jewel of the Far East, hub of rubber processing and waste disposal industries provided by a grateful and environmentally concious Chinese government

Apart from Chinese largesse in wanting to invest in garbage disposal plants in Thailand I wonder what else could have sparked this interest?

The state remains unprepared for the pollution and protests its ambitious garbage-incineration plans could generate, writes Yu Dawei.

Since early 2008, China has seen a frenzy of investment in controversial garbage-incineration plants. In the words of Zhang Yi, head of theShanghai Environmental Sanitation Engineering Design Institute, the sector is experiencing an eight-year golden era, set to continue through the 12^thFive-Year Plan period, which ends in 2015.

Evidently, China is gearing up for a Great Leap Forward in garbage incineration.

Despite the launch of so many incineration projects, there are still no clear regulations governing how the plants should be operated and pollution prevented. China’s Ministry of Environmental Protection is drafting new standards for pollution control, but has already missed a planned publication date of 2011.

https://www.chinadialogue.net/article/4739-Chinese-waste-the-burning-issue

Nothing to worry about then,.................................

"According to General Udomdej, the overall the situation in the Northeastern region remains peaceful despite the presence of those who disagree with the administration's view. He said officials are currently monitoring the group".

It says a lot about the mindset of those who have declared themselves to be Thailand's guardians of democracy that they regard people who disagree with them as a threat.

One is minded of a military government, the Fijian junta, one that is held up by one of the stalwart defenders of Thailand's military government on this forum as a fine example for military juntas to aspire to;

“But a lot of these people were actually trying to instigate violence by creating anti-government movements or militant groups.

“They were talking on the radio and so on … If you let them continue to have a voice, you create a potentially dangerous environment. So it was the lesser of two devils.”

http://www.smh.com.au/world/fiji-military-leader-admits-beatings-torture-20140620-zsg90.html

Yes, the very act of disagreement means you will be instigating violence in some minds..............................

General Udomdej also reaffirmed the Royal Thai Army's support for the government in the latter's efforts, citing as an example the army’s lending its personnel to aid operations of the Damrongtham Centers nationwide.

The Royal Thai Army's "support for the government" goes far beyond "lending it's personnel" - over half of the "government" is comprised of ex, and not so ex-military............................

Recent---FIJI.

Oh, I can see why you keep on touting Fiji this, Fiji that

As Fiji prepares for its first elections in eight years, the new head of the all-powerful armed forces has admitted that citizens have been beaten and tortured by the military regime, claiming it was necessary to stave off civil disorder.

“I wouldn’t deny that these things happened,” said Brigadier-General Mosese Tikoitoga, hand-picked successor of Frank Bainimarama, who has stepped down from the military to contest the elections. “But a lot of these people were actually trying to instigate violence by creating anti-government movements or militant groups.

“They were talking on the radio and so on … If you let them continue to have a voice, you create a potentially dangerous environment. So it was the lesser of two devils.”

http://www.smh.com.au/world/fiji-military-leader-admits-beatings-torture-20140620-zsg90.html

To make an omelette, have to break some heads eggs, eh, ginjag?...........................................

No matter what or who posts it's off to the wick/google shop to pluck out anything that suits your tainted rhetoric. This is your ploy no balanced view, always to suit your style. That is now overcooked and burnt. you will not change.

Would be a change for you to start the day off with an individual post about a topic a fair one.

Near all are contradictory posts -replies slagging all that doesn't suit. I do not have your style mine is simply to go with the flow until is not good for Thailand any more. If it look like I am R slicking sorry that is in your head only.

Let's face it, ginjag, there's 8 years worth reports about the military regime in Fiji available in the public domain, take your pick - are you denying that the beatings and torture happened? Yet here you are, ignoring the previous 8 years of military rule, relying on 2 months since the elections to declare the military regime in Fiji a shining success and something Thailand should aspire to. Sorry, but I find it hard not to have a tainted view of that kind of attitude. ................................

If changes are not made,it will just return to fighting between vested

interests again,that nearly lead to the brink of civil war.

OK the present Govt. is not elected,BUT look at how the last elected

Govt. nearly brought Thailand to its knees,with corruption,infighting,

and wasting a huge amounts of money,if that is the alternative what

we have now is a much better solution,at least there seems to be a

policy to change things,while not perfect,its a start.

The day i dread is when professional politicians return to Parliament,

and the cycle kicks off again,nearly all are only in this game to enrich

themselves,and could not give a toss about the people or the country.

but that seems to be the world over not just in Thailand.

regards Worgeordie We are only pawns in their game.

Right, we don't want professional politicians, military governments work better. After all, when has a military government ever failed a county...well, except for past military governments in Thailand. Oh, and next door in Burma, obviously. I guess Franco held Spain back as well, and there aren't many people in Central and South America who have fond memories of their past military governments.

Come to think of it, when has a military government ever done well?

Recent---FIJI.

Oh, I can see why you keep on touting Fiji this, Fiji that

As Fiji prepares for its first elections in eight years, the new head of the all-powerful armed forces has admitted that citizens have been beaten and tortured by the military regime, claiming it was necessary to stave off civil disorder.

“I wouldn’t deny that these things happened,” said Brigadier-General Mosese Tikoitoga, hand-picked successor of Frank Bainimarama, who has stepped down from the military to contest the elections. “But a lot of these people were actually trying to instigate violence by creating anti-government movements or militant groups.

“They were talking on the radio and so on … If you let them continue to have a voice, you create a potentially dangerous environment. So it was the lesser of two devils.”

http://www.smh.com.au/world/fiji-military-leader-admits-beatings-torture-20140620-zsg90.html

To make an omelette, have to break some heads eggs, eh, ginjag?...........................................

15th anniversary? Can they give us numbers of how many people they have exposed as corrupt?

Well according to some people the proposed PTP Amnesty Bill would have given amnesty to 25,000 cases so presumably the NACC have put at least that many people behind bars - or was that just propaganda for the great unwashed.................................

Plodprasob says Pheu Thai will not join charter writing process

yesterday

Pheu Thai says it's ready to offer ideas for new charter

Today

Looks like PTP are still operating like a well oiled machine, clear cohesive policies and a clear vision.

Yesterday? Actually 13th November:

Thai PBS 13th November

Plodprasob says Pheu Thai will not join charter writing process

He pointed out that the party could not send an official representative to meet the CDC but could, at best, offer some general views about the charter such as protection of the liberty and right for equal treatment and a true democratic rule.

Mr Plodprasob further said that any official view of the party concerning the charter would have to be discussed in the party or, at least, in the executive committee. He suggested that the martial law be eased to allow political parties to hold meetings.

The Nation 15th November

The Pheu Thai Party yesterday advised the chairman of the Constitution Drafting Committee of its willingness to meet with the CDC and provide input on the new charter.

The CDC had requested the party's cooperation.

But Pheu Thai expressed concerns over the National Council for Peace and Order's ban on political gatherings, saying it affected the party's ability to discuss the issue.

"The Pheu Thai Party is pleased to cooperate and take part in providing views regarding the drafting of the new constitution in order make it most democratic and in order [that the charter] can be a guarantee for justice for the country and people from all sides in accordance to what the party and the international community adhere to and accept," it said in a letter to the committee.

The party also urged the CDC to coordinate with the NCPO and the Election Commission to allow party members to meet in order to discuss the charter.

So there we have it, rather than ramrod711's skewed take on proceedings in an attempt to make political "points" where there are none to be made, what we actually have is, same story, same outcome, different media sources...............................

So, Pheu Thai WAS a bit peeved off after all

BTW I like your "If they send an "official" representative to meet the CDC they would be endorsing the process, hence no show." in the Plodprasob thread. Not easy to keep up with 'your' side zigzagging along, now its it ?

http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/776291-plodprasob-says-pheu-thai-will-not-join-charter-writing-process/page-2#entry8669129

The key word is JOIN, rubl. I'm afraid you really don't understand the ramifications of the role of an "official representative" of the PTP joining the junta endorsed charter rewrite process, do you?

Hardly zigzagging rubl, just learn to read and understand.

'muzzle opinions'? don't dogs wear 'muzzels'? the censorship laws are there to control the pack

the charter will be 'extremely successful' because:

• no dissent or debate will allowed
• no advertising or promoting the opposite view
• all control of 'message' through the Junta
• no demos
• no TV debates
• a controlled vote with a loaded question

result? 'happy' people who overwhelmingly supported the New Charter - my guess is 90%+ 'muzzled'? never!

Aint it funny that you and your anti PM friends can post this way on TVF. it is so restricting to dissent ???

Remember to compare --Yingluck had no TV debates, just saying. Do your posts go through the PM before being printed here ??

BS propaganda post. I have openly criticized the Island murders, martial law, No knock on my door, YOU have to think in the manner it's done that counts.

What a refreshing attitude , I'm allright Jack .

Ever wondered what martial law means for the Thais? You know, the ones who actually do get taken away for "attitude adjustment". Do you honestly think their lives are unaffected by the imposition of martial law.................................

Well I have lived in rural Thailand for 10 years and up here it doesn't seem to have made ANY difference to the Thai people either before or after 22nd May.

Well, I'm glad for you and them. Does it detract from the viewpoint that other Thais are being affected by the coup and martial law?

"If, in the future, Thailand faces an incident that requires military intervention, the charter won't be ripped up but temporarily suspended.

"If we tear it up again, the new charter will be nothing but a scrap of worthless paper," he says.

Extremely naive if he thinks this would be the last constitution. And already talking of the next coup, or military intervention as it is politely known.

The power of the military has to be curtailed so that options other than "interventions" can be pursued in the event of future problems.

Failing that it will be the same old, and guess what the results will be!

yes like a failed and shamed government stepping down without months of protests and eventually the military having to step in

Trying to cling to power was the cause of the problem - any shamed western government would have removed themselves from office instead of trying to cover up and lie about their very obvious misdeeds

It needs to be made very clear in the new constitution that should a similar scenario present itself in the future that there is clear provision for a government to be completely removed from office and a system that provides a temporary board installed to run things investigate and plug the holes that caused the event and possibly take criminal action against those that were removed

Trying to cling to power was the cause of the problem - any shamed western government would have removed themselves from office instead of trying to cover up and lie about their very obvious misdeeds

What part of dissolving government one month after the first democratic party sponsored demonstrations and the calling for an election within the timescale laid down by the constitution, seemingly passed you by?...................................