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1 hour ago, NCC1701A said:

she can live with me...

 

I just bought a French Maids outfit for her.

The only time I was in relatively close proximity I thought I detected a little frisson from YL, although the friend with me said it was more likely a look of terror ( but he is well-known for being unkind). French maid? Yes, Japanese nurse, better.

I see many videos on YouTube for making a cannabis based ejuice for vaping ( odourless). I wonder if that will catch on in a big way. It seems crazy that this substance is still illegal, particularly when I'm tempted to try it for the first time in 45 years to see if it helps with osteo-arthritis.

42 minutes ago, Katia said:

If I returned someone's property... I wouldn't expect anything in return.  I'd be embarrassed if it was offered, would probably suggest a charity or two if they insisted.  Doing the right thing in hopes of a payout...

Yes, yes...but not for a Bangkok bus conductor. 20,000 would be like the lottery. 

9 hours ago, JoePai said:

Would have told him where to put the candy  FYI not in his mouth !

Especially it it was the 2 kg mega stick of Toblerone.

Meanwhile upstairs the legalised thieving goes on unabated: confiscated items ( more than 100ml liquids  for example), somehow ended up on eBay....not as a sale for charity ( which we would all endorse) but for personal profit. 

A lot of pain and sadness on their faces. I hope that after their grieving they are able to make a happy life together.

Now reports coming out that Kushner had an undisclosed meeting with Russian Amb. Trump is wise to be boning up on the pardoning powers, sure as hell he's going to need to use them...and sooner rather than later

28 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Back in the 70s girls holding hands was commonplace- just friendship. Sadly, it's rare now.

So did the boys, even more rare now...but it is very sweet to see it , for both genders, and something that would be sad to lose completely ( of course you can't update Facebook when holding hands with someone, maybe that's the issue).

Thanks for the replies. I have brought in smaller rugs before as suggested above, without difficulty. Unfortunately this one is 5.3x4.2 metres, weights about 40 kg ( thick wool ) , so slipping through unnoticed is not going to work.

yes, I'll play up the fact that it's old, but has sentimental value rather than financial and try to minimise the damage. I wouldn't mind a couple of thousand Baht.

I haven't read all the replies , so the points probably been made: in many, probably most, cases it looks <deleted> ridiculous. Huge age difference but holding hands in a semi embrace as though joined at the hip. The not huge age difference couples tend not to do it, or at least not in the same overtly sexual way ( probably they are married and don't need to constantly touch). 

On 18/07/2017 at 9:23 AM, BigBadGeordie said:

Well that is why they have been pushing "PromptPay" and a cashless society.

Why not just vote at 7/11? CP could sponsor.

15 minutes ago, Grubster said:

And you can tell how much paid a child is in? I have seen many act like they are in the process of having their head sawed off when they hurt their finger. And that is not nonsense, again you need that job so you could be the man who decides. Bad pain may be urgent every time in some western hospitals as they do not have people waiting for emergency care like they do here.

Western ERs are overwhelmed by drunks, druggies, thugs, hoons, assorted low-life (and their victims)presenting with cuts, abrasions, bruises, wounds stemming from accidents, brawls, assaults. Sometimes people with legitimate , urgent needs die in the waiting room before they are seen ( and it's usually those who are accepting of the need to queue or don't/can't articulate their symptoms), as in the cases in Australia of a young man found dead in a waiting room chair because the triage staff assumed he was asleep , or the Canadian guy who wasn't seen by a doctor for 34 hours . There are dozens of cases.

Someone made the point: it would have been better for this boy to arrive by ambulance. True, but some people don't have the resources and in any case it can be slower.

This is a tragic case and one that should be thoroughly investigated to determine if there has been a failure of care. , not just a simple "sad but shit happens" response

2 minutes ago, Grubster said:

There are many things that are not urgent that could cause this pain, you ever had a kidney stone. Until emergency nurses can do a cat scan with their eyes there will be those who fall through the cracks of a fair system. I have been in many emergency rooms where there were several in acute pain including me. Most times I was there I was working as I did a lot of work for hospitals. Maybe you should have the job of deciding when to send the next patient in and then you could see that that is not an easy call to make.

Really, that is nonsense. It is universally accepted that pain of the magnitude experienced by this boy, "unable to sit" , need to be evaluated and relieved as a high priority. USUALLY such pain has a serious cause and is ALWAYS considered URGENT. Read the triage guidelines.

1 hour ago, Here2008 said:

Imagination coupled with Speculation breeds rumour in the absence of verifiable fact ..........

Absolutely nothing compared to what this thread would have been like had it been an elderly farang with chest pain or a bikie injured in a crash that had been made to wait. In those cases it would have been: a monumental scandal, further proof of Thailand's third world status, a conspiracy because foreigners are not wanted, plain racism, something to do with Thaksin, etc

But raise questions over a delay in having a very young child in acute pain seen by doctors rather than a triage nurse/clerk....don't be silly, no story here. Weird.

I want to bring a rug through customs. It's Chinese, not antique but maybe 50 or 60 years old. I bought it about 25 years ago. How does value get assessed? Purchase price was somewhere around 20-25,000 Baht equivalent ( forget exactly), value now a bit more, could be 40-50. Do I pay duty on assessed value over 10,000? At what rate? Will I get harassed and hassled, shaken-down? 

3 hours ago, bubba said:

I guess you had better luck than I, as I have been turned away from the dedicated TG immigration lane (after first and business class checkin) when traveling economy on a gold card. I also enquired with a counter agent and they told me that this service was for first or business class only.

 

Unfortunately, there is no *A Gold Track at BKK, but those are for security screening only. Wouldn't be of much help at BKK since the holdup is with immigration.

Agree, but I never had fast track at BKK...only overseas using my TG card. That is the frustration...eg, Egyptair offers fast track to TG members in Cairo ( where it makes a huge difference) but Thai offers Nothing other than designated checkin lane for anyone. It's a poor show, IMHO.

1 hour ago, bubba said:

It's not just TG. I am not aware of any Star Alliance airline gold card that allows the use of immigration fast track at any airport. 

Quite a few do, including reciprocal rights for TG Gold members ( sometimes it's security screening only, sometimes immigration as well). Lufthansa, SAS, Austrian, Air NZ, Aegean, Brussels, Egytair...are the ones I know of, probably more. TG in BKK, neither security nor immigration.

4 hours ago, worgeordie said:

I can see  him having a Nixon moment,waving from a helicopter,

saying over and over, "I am not a liar".

 

regards worgeordie

That helicopter might well be enroute to Waco, headquarters of the Trump government in exile. He can have a nice walled compound and tweet to his heart's content.

6 minutes ago, atyclb said:

 

a kid with severe abd pain imo would make for a difficult and limited abd exam by a medic, nurse or md. the guarding would likely be great, a sad and difficult case and a likely already overburdened facility.

I'm sure that's right and the outcome may well have been the same. But the issue is about the quality of care, from arrival to end. He didn't get the best possible care because he didn't get past step 1.

The Australian system has had a significant number of similar cases over the last 5 years or so, some so egregious that commissions of enquiry were held, with scathing findings.

13 hours ago, colinneil said:

Please get your facts correct the boy was never admitted 

Why are you going on about training?

WHERE YOU THERE? did you witness the incident?n answer yes to both questions, your comments are valid.

If the answer is no, which it probably is. Please stop condemning the staff.

But that's the whole point: he should have been seen immediately he presented with those symptoms. It is not up to a poorly paid , marginally qualified triage nurse to make a judgement other than that his symptoms indicated a potentially ( tragically, actually) life-threatening condition. It's for the first-line doctors to diagnose, treat etc. The (possible)failure here was in triage...he should have been seen by a medic, promptly; he wasn't, he died on the waiting room floor. 

Frankly, I can't see your point as it's more than reasonable to ask questions about the quality of his treatment and ,if there were failures, did they contribute to his death.

3 minutes ago, LannaGuy said:

where is this word "SEVERE" or "severe pain"? I have re-read the article because maybe I missed something but those words are not used. Often people with stomach pains don't want to sit I doubt this could have been foreseen. The relatives, in shock and grief, but they are not doctors I assume and they can't say "could have been saved" they are just reacting to the obvious shock.  RiP 

The poster said that the boy had repeatedly been told to wait after arriving at the hospital with stomach pains.

Even though he couldn't even sit he was still told to wait his turn.

He passed out and was given CPR and then an X-Ray revealed a large blood vessel had burst.

Following the X-Ray he went into shock again and this time could not be revived.

The shocking scene was witnessed by relatives and others waiting at the hospital.

A video was even made.

The poster of the clip said that he had died because he had been told to wait and that the relatives believed he could have been saved if the hospital had given him the appropriate treatment right from the start.

You are correct; I was extrapolating from the description of his inability to sit and read "severe" when it's not printed. 

3 minutes ago, LannaGuy said:

You are right it's possible but we don't know everything. Was the A&E full of a serious car accident and they thought he could wait?  was he just standing there and suddenly collapses?  you know that after an event like this it is easy to say 'this and that' but I doubt those nurses and doctors meant him to die and probably made the call they thought was the correct one.  IF he had been carried in flat out things would have been different I'm sure. Blaming doctors and nurses doesn't really sit easy with me as they are, generally, dedicated to helping people. This is not Barts and we can't expect the same standard.

Agree with that but for the description of severe pain in the article. IE, not just pain, not moderate, not strong...but SEVERE, indicating urgency, priority, immediacy. Who would leave a child in that state in a waiting room? 

I'm sure they didnt want him to die but the fact remains, admittedly at first glance and without all the facts, that a child died in the waiting room when he should have been assessed as an urgent case.

Sometimes the system doesn't work and those responsible for it need to be questioned on their (in)action(s).

4 minutes ago, Aussieroaming said:

 The premium departure lane can get pretty congested.

I've seen it back more than halfway across the terminal....usually around 8-10am is the problem. Yes, Thai is a breeze ( but they screw their own gold card members out of that lane).

8 minutes ago, wpcoe said:

The last couple times I went through the Priority Lane (non-TG flights) on arrival they never asked to see the card.  Without fail, though, upon departure they wanted to collect the card.

The luck of the draw....sometimes the arrival guys don't ask but more often than not they do. And I've seen people turned away for not having one. Yes, the exit guys are red-hot in collecting them.

Just now, LannaGuy said:

We don't know everything but as a former senior hospital manager I can assure you that it is very difficult to tell and these things do happen. I am assuming all the basic checks were done (a big assumption I know).

Point taken but the fact remains that it is absolutely basic that a child presenting with SEVERE pain is to be seen immediately, top priority other than an unresponsive patient. The triage system has failed this kid, IMHO.

I have no medical background ( other than paediatrician ex-wife ,a vacation job as an orderly c1969 , and watching ER) so I would defer to your judgement....but the point remains...that SEVERE pain ( not a grumbling stomach ache) is just about highest priority.