punisher

Sometimes its better to go a step backwards. Suthep and the Dems just stop a real dangerous undermining of the Constitution. Thats what make it possible for people like Hitler to take the full power. And thats the point, I say, this party including their partners dont want democracy, their goal is dictatorship with Taksin on the top.

The Constitution Court failed to stop them, the police is corrupt, all Institutions in this land are corrupt, its not possible to go foreward in politics, with them, and its a ecological disaster.

Well then! Let's clean the chance to have a dictatorship with Thaksin, with a farced People's Council (it's a dictatorship) signed Suthep.

Wonderful progress.

Peoples Council is for a few months, Shin-Cooperation maybe for ever. Hope you understand, Newcomer71...

Yeah if your home country is north korea then i have an understanding why u need Sutheps people's council,and not an elected government

When one side is unwilling to accept any compromise [suthep in this instance], how can there be a negotiated settlement? Suthep says he is fighting against the 'tyranny of the majority'. His only solution is to replace it with the 'tyranny of the minority'.

Well I know that Suthep is out to completely destroy the tyranny of the Shinawatra clan bit I do not understand your reference to the tyranny of the majority when 52% (that is a majority) did not want this government.

Can you enlighten us please.

Now those are just the figures of the people who voted. We all know that if the Yellow shirts had not voted it would be a lot wider spread. but they didn't so let you and me stick to the ones that did. We won't even wonder how many voted for one party with the expectation of getting another leader.

The issue of the popular vote that PTP received (48%) has been referenced numerous times on this forum but ignores the manner in which representation in Parliament is prescribed in the Constitution which gave the PTP an outright majority. In addition, if you add the votes received of the PTP coalition partners, it would equal more than 50%. As I have said in the past, how people 'would' have voted that didn't vote is speculation and conjecture. Hardly a basis for an argument. And the fact remains that the Democrats only received 35% of the vote, a party with whom Suthep belonged until recently. If the 35% of the people represented by Democrats telling the remaining 65% of the people isn't a 'tyranny of the minority', not sure how else to enlighten you.

Great then I wonder about a country called USA 250million people live there,2008 elections 56% went to vote .......................,u can turn it as u want,democrats did not win an election for 20yrs,and most thais want PTP,they don't want a suthep,abisit or any other democrat government.It's their decision,and if a minority don't like it,then wait till next election,and if the democratic party can't win any election,then there is maybe something wrong with their party program or with the person they choose to be party leader.

it's not that difficult

When one side is unwilling to accept any compromise [suthep in this instance], how can there be a negotiated settlement? Suthep says he is fighting against the 'tyranny of the majority'. His only solution is to replace it with the 'tyranny of the minority'.

The compromise being accept Yingluck as interim Prime Minister, after she dissolved Parliament? PTP's rush to place her as number 1on the party List, say's a lot! That the family that want peace not power, are liars.

What are PTP without Thaksin or Yingluck? get the Shins out of politics and it is hard to see who would be PTP's leader, Who would it Be? Chalerm, Plodprasop, Tarit, or even Kitirat? Maybe even Jutaporn or Tilda!

I don't think it would be a political party without the Shins. Not that they are much of one anyway. Certainly not capable of running a country!

Well with Thaksin Thailand was booming,people had jobs and money,Thailand passed Vietnam and was on a good way to even reach Singapore.But thanks to BKK elite,army and untouchables Thaksin had to go.The democrats were in power[appointed government] until 2011,if they did such a great job,why PTP won the election with a landslide victory???If a guy like Suthep[land scandal,palmoil scandal,etc]is talking about" power back to the "it has a funny taste.He means power back to BKK elite,not to the people of Thailand,the people of Thailand decided in 2011 they want PTP as government,this means they do'nt want democrats or an appointed government.If bangkokians don't like the decision of the majority of thai people,then they should try to separate from Thailand and maybe they can build another Sukothai in Bkk,and live with Sakdina system in stone age

The lesser of two evils is the Military COUP.. Anything is better than the Thaksin and red SHIrT running Thailand now!!!

You were obviously not here during the coup years.

nor were you by sounds of things Ive been here 30 years and if you were here in years before the coup you will have witnessed Taksin taking over every part of power in this country. You will also if you were here have seen on day of coup the joy in Bangkok of we thought getting rid of this evil monster and huge welcome given to army for doing its duty and protecting once again Thailand. THe mistake was letting him go but it was thought he would give p and just take billions he stole as others had down before him and people believed his words when he said he was done with politics.

Taksin is biggest threat to democracy and freedom here I have seen in 30 years

"the joy in Bangkok".I thought there are 77 provences in Thailand,not only Bangkok,maybe Bangkok should seperate itself from Thailand

It actually speaks volumes about the other side, that their self-serving actions have taken away their mandate to continue in office, which is why Suthep has to succeed. Even the Yellow Shirts have recognised this and set aside their differences to bring the Thaksin regime to an end.

YL and the PTP are still posturing and making various noises to maintain the appearance that they are in charge, but they are not. If they were, this would have been brought to an end some weeks ago.

When people power is capable of such disruption, the usual way to try to deal with it is through the type of heavy-handed tactics that they tried last week, and that is of course self-defeating, because people power just gets stronger.

In the end, the sitting government has to capitulate and give in to the demands of the people. It remains to be seen whether this will be done honourably, or whether it will be in the same way that Big Brother dealt with it, by quietly slipping away to enjoy their ill-gotten"

"Demands of the people".Who are the people?Sure not 50 or 100000 bangkokians,I find it amazing how a small minority can put a whole country into crisis."Suthep has to succeed".If Suthep succeed then what?People council of democrats and yellow shirts.no voting rights for people who think different?Great idea.

"People power gets stronger"Where?If the power would be with thai population,Suthep would rotten in Monkey house already.Yingluk got a warning from the army,if she handles this crisis to hard,the army will intervene,thats the only reason why Suthep can still walk around,I would not wonder if he ends with a bullet in his head

The why is actually that Thailand's elite think they are educated but they are not, they do not have manners and they did not move on from the beginning of the 1900's. Maybe it is because the history was falsified for centuries. The why can be found in the selfishness and unwillingness to share wealth and power.

Actually what you say applies exactly to the 2006 coup, where the unwillingness to share wealth and power by not paying taxes and the systematic dismantling of checks and balances were two key reasons for the ousting of KT.

Well done!

You can believe what you like to believe,but it does not make it right.The reasons why Thaksin had to go are the following.

1.He said it would be time to think about if monarchy still fits into the 21st century

2.He tried to take power away from the army, by cutting budgets,and by putting friends and family into high positions

3.BKK hiso and elite was afraid to lose their 5000bt slaves from esaan,on top they tried to bribe Thaksin as they did with former governments,but Thaksin told them to f....o.because he did not need their money.

As you can see from the list,those 3 parties are still trying to topple the government,but whatever they do,they never win an election.

Please spare me with how corrupt and evil Thaksin is.He is the smaller shit pile,and as long thais have more money in their pockets,and think the government cares at least a bit about them,as long they will vote for TRT or PTP or whoever is close to Thaksin.You don't win elections if you tell half of the population "you are to stupid to vote"

In western countries you learn already in school about humanity,about to be patient,you learn how to respect other people and cultures,they teach you also to be responsible for your doing.In western countries they teach you to obey laws and orders.In western countries you have one government who is responsible for all this.In western world we have the yr 2013,Thailand is still in 17 or 1813,Thailand stands still,no development

at all.Nobody obeys laws and orders, in Thailand,every rule has an exception..

The constitution of Thailand is a joke,Could you imagine the constitution of UK would has a passage what says the queen and her family are untouchable?Could you imagine

US army would build a state in a state?Could you imagine high class and rich people

have influence on the daily life in a democratic country?Exceptions like that keep Thailand in democratic stone age.I’m not a Thaksin friend,but he tried to do the right thing,He tried to take the power away from the establishment,his reasons for that are maybe not that great,but my thinking is once the establishment and old rules are away,then the way for development is open.Thailand should get a new westernized

constitution,Thailand should ban all current politicians for future elections,but after all here is Asia and it’s there country,so they can do whatever they like to do,and maybe we as westerners should not put our noses into their business

Oh man...I was with you until the part that I marked.

Thaksin IS the establishment! He just used this kind of "propaganda" to win over the vote of Isan.

He was sucessfull at that and actually pushed trough some of his populist politics (which by the way is more than most of the guys before him ever even tried!) but in the end, he just used "the poor" as pawns in his chess- game!

He is as much "elite" as the "elite" that fights him.

They are all a bunch of power- crazy rabid dogs and the don't give sh1t for "the people" as long as they got, what they came for!

Like i said,I'm not a Thaksin friend,but if he can be helpful to get rid of the cancerous ulcer then he should come back,after he cleaned up he can go.He is the only one who has the power to do so.Why do u think the establishment is so scared of him?They give a shit on nepotism or whatever other stuff he is involved with.They are scared of him because with him they will loose their status as untouchables

In western countries you learn already in school about humanity,about to be patient,you learn how to respect other people and cultures,they teach you also to be responsible for your doing.In western countries they teach you to obey laws and orders.In western countries you have one government who is responsible for all this.In western world we have the yr 2013,Thailand is still in 17 or 1813,Thailand stands still,no development

at all.Nobody obeys laws and orders, in Thailand,every rule has an exception..

The constitution of Thailand is a joke,Could you imagine the constitution of UK would has a passage what says the queen and her family are untouchable?Could you imagine

US army would build a state in a state?Could you imagine high class and rich people

have influence on the daily life in a democratic country?Exceptions like that keep Thailand in democratic stone age.I’m not a Thaksin friend,but he tried to do the right thing,He tried to take the power away from the establishment,his reasons for that are maybe not that great,but my thinking is once the establishment and old rules are away,then the way for development is open.Thailand should get a new westernized

constitution,Thailand should ban all current politicians for future elections,but after all here is Asia and it’s there country,so they can do whatever they like to do,and maybe we as westerners should not put our noses into their business

oh to be in dubai to see his face now...priceless.......i so hope its the end of yingluck she was way out of her depth...but brother didnt care about her one bit..vile human...him,him,him,,,

Yingluk gone,and now what?People council with Suthep on top as head?Wow,great improvement.Yingluk did a great a job how she handled this crisis.It could hv gone really ugly.The people should go home now,Suthep should be in police custody.Next election the"democrats" can try to beat ptp,but I doubt this will happen.If their only election slogan is"PTP and Thaksin are bad"they won't win any election for the next 10000yrs

If she really meant that she was willing to resign and call new elections, she has it within her power to do so unilaterally. So, why doesn't she?

Why shoud she?Because a criminal who tries to avoid a sentence for murder is threaten to burn down Bkk?

Who is trying to avoid a sentence for murder and threatening to burn down Bangkok? It's not Suthep. Who is it?

He was sentenced by the Supreme Court's Criminal Division for Holders of Political Positions of abusing his power to help his wife buy public land at an auction, I don't remember he killed anybody

If she really meant that she was willing to resign and call new elections, she has it within her power to do so unilaterally. So, why doesn't she?

Why shoud she?Because a criminal who tries to avoid a sentence for murder is threaten to burn down Bkk?

YIngluk could take heat out of all this by simply dissolving parliament and calling new elections but of course Taksin wont allow that since he knows this is probably his last chance and he's quite willing to cause whatever simply to cling on.

I can understand anyone simply refusing to accept anything but total dispersal of the evil Taksin clan and none could trust a word they would say. Taksin has said so many times hell stay away from politics, he resigned and then withdrew that and has broken every promise so its understandable for Suphet to refuse any dealings at all.

How common people will take this I don't know but I do know Taksin has caused so much angst and hatred against him and his clan from normal ordinary people that they are simply totally fed up with him and want him and lot out.

One man and his megalomaniac ego has caused all this and its probably now a war to the end. It is simply not possible to compromise with this government who cock a snoop and openly say they wont recognise court decisions.

Only untouchables,elite and army hates Thaksin,because those three are the only ones who will loose all if Thaksin comes back.Those three are also the ones who kicked Thaksin out of office.When Thaksin was in office he tried to take power away from the army by trying to put friends and family into high positions,by cutting budgets.Those three parties are not interested in a democratic Thailand with educated people allover

the country.They want to keep their status.What we see in Thailand now we saw already

1789-179? in France.Thaksin was one of the best PM Thailand ever had.He did many things right,and most thais loved or love him.Sure in western eyes he is just another thief

and cheater but here is Thailand not USA or Germany.

Suggest you get a new history boo

And why should I do that?1789-1799 french revolution,if u don't understand what I mean,it's ok

YIngluk could take heat out of all this by simply dissolving parliament and calling new elections but of course Taksin wont allow that since he knows this is probably his last chance and he's quite willing to cause whatever simply to cling on.

I can understand anyone simply refusing to accept anything but total dispersal of the evil Taksin clan and none could trust a word they would say. Taksin has said so many times hell stay away from politics, he resigned and then withdrew that and has broken every promise so its understandable for Suphet to refuse any dealings at all.

How common people will take this I don't know but I do know Taksin has caused so much angst and hatred against him and his clan from normal ordinary people that they are simply totally fed up with him and want him and lot out.

One man and his megalomaniac ego has caused all this and its probably now a war to the end. It is simply not possible to compromise with this government who cock a snoop and openly say they wont recognise court decisions.

Only untouchables,elite and army hates Thaksin,because those three are the only ones who will loose all if Thaksin comes back.Those three are also the ones who kicked Thaksin out of office.When Thaksin was in office he tried to take power away from the army by trying to put friends and family into high positions,by cutting budgets.Those three parties are not interested in a democratic Thailand with educated people allover

the country.They want to keep their status.What we see in Thailand now we saw already

1789-179? in France.Thaksin was one of the best PM Thailand ever had.He did many things right,and most thais loved or love him.Sure in western eyes he is just another thief

and cheater but here is Thailand not USA or Germany.

At this point it's clear 10,000% that he just need the power for himself (maybe if he told "the elite" instead "the people" would have been honest, but the elite is not the one on the street...).

The elite,untouchables and most part of army are behind him

We all know? Who are you referring to?

If majority do not support it, why are they silent?

You keep on using big words, without any merit

Er Quote:

I can't find all the inferences so:

returning to the subject

Because they won

and the time before

and the time before

and 2 times before that

A silent majority, a people who placed their vote, a vote for change, a vote that said they counted.

the untouchables are dumping their vote.

I see, so the silent ones , the red shirts just can not be bothered to make a trip? Or speak out?

Or have they not received the payments yet ??

Oh but wait, the very same government they voted for, has not even paid them for the rice yet ?

Gee, I wonder why they silent... Hmmmm

They not come out because the situation is difficult,nobody wants Suthep,but if the amnesty goes through,Suthep might goes free for his involvement in 2010,but I'm sure if the situation escalates they will come.Nobody needs or wants another unselected yellow,hiso government

How about if the money was not faked and police and bank share the 400$?What can u do as a tourist if bank and police work together?

Hi does anybody knows a Travel or or Travel Health insurance payable online and what clears Hospital bills right away?.I need one for my daughter German-Thai,11yrs old.i checked Bupa but they want customer pays first and claim after

Company like Honda is the reason why you have to pay 200 or 300% tax on European or American cars

Can you please explain that logic to me? Not only are Honda assembled here but also many European brands including Volvo and Benz to name just two!!! Good idea through, stop knocking the Thai's and pick on the Japanese for a change, one day TV posters will rule the world - then God help us

japanese car makers bribing Thai government,so they keep the tax for European and Amerian cars astronomic high,in thailand only khun hiso can afford to buy a Golf or Chrysler not to talk about a Benz..,besides that Japanese cars not really cheap here,for example a Toyata Camry starts in the USA around 23000$,here not under 30000$.Also thanks to Japanese car makers and Thai government you can buy only a few models here in Thailand,When i was in Europe last yr I was amazed how many different models of Toyota drive around ,hmm just by the way have a look how much does a benz cost in thailand,and then have a look how much does it cost in Europe or USA

Company like Honda is the reason why you have to pay 200 or 300% tax on European or American cars

Whole lot of bulldust all the way through this thread! 800,000 baht in the bank or 65,000 baht monthly income (or a combination of the two) should not be a problem for a genuine retiree with a pension/other income from his own country. The only people who are whinging are those who didn't bother to provide for themselves in their home country before dumping themselves in a low cost haven - no sympathy!

65000bt thats about 1400Pounds or 1600Euro,I don't know to many people who get that much pension

Indeed, the immigration rules have been well known for years.

Perhaps it's time that they were aligned with the rules of other countries in this small world we live in.

See the hoops you have to jump through to take a Thai lady to the UK for instance.....

Quite rite.

Imagine if we had to jump through the hoops many of the western countries put a Thai through. There would be very few expats here and as for opening your own business not a chance. Some of us have trouble seeing the forest because the trees are in the way.

Yes some times me to but never when it comes to how easy it is to settle qand stay in Thailand. Mind you I am not trying to beat the system.

Totally nonsense,if a Thai has the required documents,and can proof he/she can survive while in Farangland,they all get a visa,Thais what are married with farang can do whatever they like in farangland,work,own land and,and.The only hurdle for a family visa is language test,for germany this test is highschool niveau.if a foreigner in Thailand has all required documents and financial proof it means nothing,it's all up to the immigration office,they can bend the rules the way they want.Hmm just by the way it's a bit funny to compare immigration rules of a 3rd world country with immigration rules from western Europe or USA,Australia,for your information malaysians for example no need a visa to visit Schengen states,I guess the Schengen states will have a reason for that.

It;s April1st?

Sometimes immigration wants to see some documents ,sometimes not,so you will be safe if u have something from her father,I always take a handwritten letter,with copy of passport,certified by local amper from my daughters mother

You mean private?

Not any scheduled vans?

from victory monument maybe 200bt a bit less or more